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Oh you you hatred hi Ashley how are you doing good how are you doing you know thank you I'm just getting us set up for all of our viewers thank you so much for joining us today you you looks like we have quite a few attendees so thank you everybody for joining just so you guys know right now you are on mute and we will bring you off at a later point in time for a Q&A you you you all right you you you you it looks like it's 2 o'clock it is we are just going live with our Facebook so bear with me one second guys will we get that started so that we can have more viewers join actually where are you located I am in New Jersey right now where are you are you on a trip I am in the middle of a chapel I'm in Fort Lauderdale Pompano Beach it is a absolutely gorgeous day here okay all right well welcome everyone thank you for joining us for the first of a series of webinars titled ATP ride reports similar to pilots and air traffic controllers working together to solicit and disseminate pilot weather reports or ride reports on meteorological conditions encountered in flight we will be hosting webinars to provide you with information regarding aviation careers and current outlook on the industry as a whole my name is Ashley Fallon I handled the tuition reimbursement programs and alumni services for ATP flight school for those of you that are exploring the option of attending we are the largest domestic provider of flight training with 41 locations nationwide and a fleet of almost 400 aircraft we offer a fast-track airline career pilot program that allows a pilot to proceed from zero experience through CF eyes in a period of as little as nine months and that six months if you are already a private pilot today we will be joined by United Airlines captain an airline pilot life contributor Chris Kerry to discuss the long-term outlook of the aviation industry amidst uncertainty some housekeeping before we get started your microphones are muted right now and they will be for the portion of the earlier portion of this session feel free to utilize the chat box to communicate with us at any point if we need to slow down or speak up at any point Chris if those look like Tory says hi to you right now already my daily all right and we will leave a few minutes at the end of this webinar to allow for a Q&A feel free to type any questions that you have in that chat box and there is a separate one for Q&A it looks like we have one already so thank you so much and finally before we get started I'm just going to bring up a poll right now and we're going to find out a little bit of variants about you and your current level of flight experience so while we launch this will give you about 30 seconds to go ahead and vote on that I see Jason saying hello from New Jersey so I am Newark base so I Jersey's definitely part of my life so welcome back to New York air welcome to those in Jersey yeah it's it's not a bad day here today but I'm sure it's nothing like Fort Lauderdale Jamaica that's not as impressive somebody saying I from Jamaica and India okay so we have all over alright so it looks like right now we have Private Pilot just getting started I'll give you guys about 10 more seconds to go ahead and answer those questions Los Angeles hey LA I mean New York okay Connecticut yes thank you everyone welcome from all over well thank you for saying hi everybody I actually lived on Long Island for a few years too so I don't know what part of New York you're from but also another thanks we're gonna go ahead and end the polling it looks like the majority of you are either just getting started or are private pilot's so welcome to you I do see a couple names that we recognize too on this list so welcome to those of you that are current students and instructors and alumni we're so happy to have all of you and welcome Chris thank you so much for joining us today thank you for having me so I think to get started we'd just like to find out a little bit about your background and what got you into the aviation industry well I've been in the airlines since 2013 was when I began but I'm sorry since 2005 but my family has been in the industry since 1940 both my grandfather's were TWA pilots and by my father was a US Airways pilot he's since retired and I decided I want to go down a different path I wanted to become a working business administration at the sort of job and I got about halfway through my education to my my marketing degree which I did finish and I write this just isn't for me I think the rest of my family has it right and I went out I took an intro flight out of local high school and I was I was absolutely hooked and from there on I went ahead and finish the degree and while I was finishing the degree I got my private at us Chesapeake Virginia cpk and you know that it was it was a little tough I'll be honest going to college full-time and trying to get a private pilot's license it took a little bit time I got done and then when I finished at that point I knew for sure I wanted to be a professional pilot and I and had a cousin that have gone to atps I called him say Mike what was your experience like can you told me positive experience I did my own research too and caught up sign up for ATP went through the program and then I was lucky to stay as an instructor I instructed there for about a year so that was 2004 and 2005 and and went to Express jet Express - at the time was primarily Continental Express the operations and I was there for two years right when I was about to hold captain that Express jet I got picked up by Continental Airlines so a lot of hard work and some luck thrown in there to be hired so quickly at a major and very lucky but of course continental became United in 2010 is when the financial merger happened and I've been there Spence in the the 13 years I've been at Emily United I've been very lucky eyeful in the 737 757 the 767 and now I'm a captain on the Airbus 320 and 319 and with finding all those this various aircraft I've quite a bit of domestic experience but also Central and South America and a lot of European experience too so I've been very lucky that I've got to see the world and gotten paid to do it so it's been a great experience okay now we do have a question from one of our attendees is a graduate degree degree beneficial if I aim to become a commercial pilot graduate degree yeah it's certainly not going to hurt however the the major airlines want to see an undergraduate degree and really if you have that you've checked the requirement a graduate degree is certainly an extra bonus on top of that a it's not going to push you over to the edge the airlines are looking for flight time and experience so it's great that you have it but well then with regard to the aviation industry have you ever experienced anything a situation similar to what we're seeing right now with Kovac 19 before yes and no so I mentioned I was hired at the majors in 2007 and then right after that 2008 the housing bubble burst and with that we had the recession that came that was in in that that was also coupled with the FAA changing the pilot mandatory retirement age from sixty to sixty-five so in addition to a recession where the airlines kind of contracted a little bit we also had nobody retired for five years so there wasn't a lot of growth in the in the industry check around the airline side I moved up maybe thirty numbers in five years so the industry struggled a little bit on that but you know in the next year in 2009 we saw things start to turn around and by 2010 it was going well in the eyes were starting to hire again another question what would you prefer I mean this this will be you have an answer for this you experience flying the university are going to ATP right out of high school but there's there's more options than just that I we recommend people go to college get a degree in something other than aviation and then come back and get your flight training from an accelerated program that gives you something to fall back on yeah if you need to do that and just gives you more experience also bear in mind that they are looking for a certain age to so I to me I would wait I wouldn't go right out of high school tobita flying trick and we actually had a follow-up question really it's that and what do you think of commercial aviation as a second career so when did you start and is there an age limit whether it is age 65 which nice talked about for airline pilots now we do see in the part 91 world and some of the other divisions of aviation that that age can go on and people fight later than that but we have a lot of second second career people we see that quite a bit and when we get later on we're going to talk about a website that we have some mentors on and one of them my favorite only have two they're both my favorites but um Adam is a second career guy so that that'll be a great topic when we get to that perfect and then so how did the that impact with everything that's happening right now and in the mandatory retirement that you talked about how did that impact new pilots that are entering the industry well so that's interesting when when things contracted a little bit and there was some a pause and hiring in the airline industry I was involved in another words back then offering mentoring and we saw people go one of two ways even people would say hey things don't look absolutely perfectly rosy right now I'm gonna wait or pause my training and when everything turns around I'll get into it and to an extent I understand that logic I get wanting to have really defined path however we also saw people to say hey this is my dream I want to be an airline pilot I'm gonna make this happen I know it's gonna turn around it always does and those people started their training right then you know in 2008 and what's interesting is when the airline started hiring again guess who got hired first guess who's a captain now who's at a major now the people that they went ahead started their training knowing things are gonna turn around like they always do they're the ones that they're far more seniority now than those who waited okay and if our prospective pilot about to start flight training what can you share about the future of job opportunities I should get we had a graph we were looking at earlier can you pull it up for me please so we mentioned that thank you the FAA has a mandatory retirement age of aged 65 and you can't fly it day past that so most people actually tire a few days before because the airlines are afraid and wouldn't go over it so if you look at this chart this show's pilot retirements American Delta and United so just the big threes this is leaving out FedEx Southwest spirit its leave out quite a few just look at this year and the truck starts at 2015 we see four American and Delta about 200 maybe 175 retirements and then look to 2020 right you're almost in the middle of the chart there see about four five hundred fifty pilots a year retiring from these airlines that's us 1,500 pious year just from the big three move on a couple more years here we're seeing almost nine hundred pilots a year at we best Delta there and I know an American is not far behind them at all that's just those three I just read an article from AOPA we'll talk about them as resource the aircraft owners and Pilots Association says right now about 2000 airline pilots are going to retire every year right now trending towards 3,000 a year in just the next few years doesn't really sound like a lot but you gotta remember it's only about 90 to 100 thousand airline pilots in the entire country so we're talking about a very large turnover in the industry and a pilot shortage that is the Distilled driving is that those seats are gonna need to be filled in the future and so can you explain a little bit to our viewers about how seniority matters especially amid economic change absolutely and seniority we touched on a little bit earlier let's define what seniority is it's in the airline's everything is driven by what we call seniority which turns into when you were hired at the airlines the person that was hired the longest ago that has been at the airline the longest they're the most senior person they're number one at the airline typically somebody this nearing the end of their career all the way down to the person who was just the most recently hired they were the most junior person and then there's everybody in the middle as according to when they were hired that seniority determines everything about your quality of life at an airline from what kind of aircraft you're able to fly whether you're able to be a captain or a first officer on it your your schedules the destinations you go to even when you get vacation if you have Christmas at home with the kids or you're out on the road it's all determined by seniority so it's one of the things on you know my mentorship we like to talk about is seniority is everything it's important to get to the airlines as quickly as possible if if you know that's your goal if you know you want to be an airline pilot find a path is quick sufficient that course cost effective to get you there because even six months to a year difference in seniority can be huge over the course of a career it can be hundreds of thousands of hours the difference between upgrading now and maybe waiting three or four years to upgrade to captain does that answer that for you perfect thank you and I'm sure that another thing that a lot of our viewers are interested to hear how has dealing with this past month with Kovac 19 change just your your overall daily experience working as a pilot it's been it's been really interesting it's certainly an unprecedented time for the industry we we've seen cancellations like I've never seen before and certainly empty airplanes like I've never seen either what's interesting now is as the airlines have kind of figured out what's happening there were canceling more flights whereas 3-4 weeks ago we were fine empty flights now they're doing the product of cancellations which i think is really smart there's no reason to spend money and burn fuel to fly airplanes around there aren't that full but more importantly we're still operating we're still connecting people find a lot of medical supplies around we United just announced we're doing I think it's 40 cargo flights a week I believe it is all cargo that's new to us we're not a cargo airline but so there's we're filling the need that that wasn't out there before as far as the customers what's been really interesting to see is we always try to take pride in having clean airplanes and you know clean experience for our customers but yeah they've really double down on that I've never seen the airplane so clean in my legs and they're there looking at being able what fog the airplanes in between each flight to get rid of any source this virus spacing people out when we have the space to do it does everything we can to make sure that our customers are having us the safe as experienced as possible the other thing that's been interesting from an employee perspective is there's always divisions in work groups that are at any company really you mean for the most part we get along fine but there's always this like oh your pilot your mechanic you know that kind of thing it's been really nice to see everybody kind of come together and realize yeah this is a challenge that's facing us and it's a significant one and to know that if we all work together we're gonna come out the other side of this this is gonna turn around we're all gonna come out but we need to work together now and it's really nice to see that kind of feeling amongst all the employees that hey we're in this together and for some of these pilots that are joining us that are just maybe starting out in their ABA ssin career which it did look like from the pole a good number where what are some regional resources that you would recommend for other earlier stages of becoming a pilot sure could you pull up airline pilot life please now this is my favorite website because part of it is a free website this is sponsored by ATP it's Erin WWL in Pilot life but it's completely free for anybody to go on and join and it's me and Tory who we mentioned earlier he's a captain at Horizon and
hen Adam who is a captain at Hawaiian Airlines and you can come on you can post any question you want and we get all sorts of stuff from what's your schedule like tell me about a flight we've experienced an emergency just anything you can think of and questions about flight training and you'll get an answer from one or probably all three of us it's a really unique way for you as a potential pilot to come on and engage with current airline pilots and I want to go through this list here of categories in just a second but what is also I think really neat about this website so we have a lot of current students and even instructors that are going through a cps program and people from other flight schools - most of them tend to be from ATP's programs that will post their experiences and what they're doing and how it their methods for studying for certain tests and it's really neat to see people that are actively flight training coming together and discussing it so if you take a look at the website the top one frequently asked questions that's the self-explanatory I would tell people don't skip over that there's a lot of great information in there we put them there because we got to ask these questions all the time and it's just a great way to give a real thorough answer where most the discussion happens is going to be an air like airline pilot questions and answers anything you can think of put it in there ATP emissions that's obviously if you have questions more about ATP my favorite section is student experiences that's really neat cuz death we don't have it that that's students that are going through they come to give us the good the bad and the ugly what's the time is the good we like that but they share their experiences that's unedited and you can see what real customer going through ATP's programs is experiencing flying the line I think it skipped over a little bit and I wish it didn't because there's some really nice kind of essays about flying in there and then the last one of schedules so go well not the last but go on there and you can take a look we all post our schedules and you can see everywhere I've been in February I guess I need to get March up there now it's true interesting so you can see hey how much am I going to be on the road if I'm a pilot because that's the question that we get asked a lot is what's the family life like what's my ability to maintain relationships outside of the job so check that out it is you know another cool thing it's a way if you guys have questions after this or if you're watching it on our recorded session come join on here you can ask me whatever questions you didn't get asked today and me and Adam Ettore I'd be happy to answer those for you can you pull up a OPA s website please there you go hey uh PA aircraft owners and Pilots Association they're great association is pretty inexpensive to join is meant for pilots that are in the general aviation world and is they have all sorts of things like I'm training a safety learning to fly online learning kind of basics kind of intro into what it takes to be a pilot their goal is to get as many pilots as there are out there medical questions that under pilot resources a lot of people come and ask us medical questions and it's not something we're qualified to answer these guys are so they would be able to help answer those it's a fantastic resource if we could go to the FAA's website please you want to think it but the FAA publishes a lot of their manuals online completely for free so here we go the airplane flying handbook it's it's really kind of one of the basic books but it's a great introduction it's got some great graphics it's just something to look at I'll tell you guys if you're a prospective pilot and you're looking at this it's gonna seem overwhelming if I picked up an intro to a law book I would be overwhelmed don't let that faze you that's why you go through a training program that's why you have flight instructors to explain this stuff to you but it's just a good idea just go home and browse that to see if you want to look into it and then my favorite book is the Jefferson Private Pilot manual it's on Amazon something a lot of different places this is kind of the Bible of becoming a pilot is great resources in there it's pretty inexpensive to buy so that's I think that's one of my favorites but a but as always come feel free to ask us questions on your own pilot and if you had one piece of advice that you were to impart on our viewers today what would it be you know right now it's it's a turbulent time for the airline industry I mean there's move at the Cova 19 and the effect is had on us and of course the broader economy there's a lot of talk of airline bailouts it's easy to kind of get lost in that and say okay maybe I shouldn't be a pilot guys this is temporary we're gonna come out the back side of this in a few months things will come back it's interesting none of the major airlines Toofer what any pilots and from what I understand there's no plans to they they know that this is gonna come back I just watched a town hall with our CEOs and I don't want to put words in their mouths United but basically it just was they know this is gonna come back they want to be ready for it and we're gonna be people aren't gonna give up fine we've become a culture where it's nothing to fly to Denver for a wedding it just for a weekend where is you 30 40 years ago people didn't do that kind of stuff now fine is very much a part of our culture interesting you know week or so ago as hearing people talk about these meetings are great you can do it all online and now I'm starting to hear people say it's just not the same as being in person and and that that's true is there's going to be a return to aviation it's gonna happen sooner than we think so with that to answer the original question if your goal is to be an airline pilot don't let this this fixation on something this very short-term impact the rest of your life I'll be an airline pilot for 41 years by the time I retire this is something that we might look back and talk about but you know we don't really talk about 2008 anymore and there will come a point in time where this is kind of ancient history too so if your goal is to be an airline pilot get out there start your training when things turn around better sooner than everybody thinks you're going to be in a position against the airlines well thank you for sharing that insight with us and at this time we will answer any questions that you guys have for Chris now keep in mind Chris is a United Airlines pilot he does contributes to airline pilot life but if you have questions that are specific to the admissions process we would encourage you to reach out to our admissions team to be able to get the best and most current answers from them so we did receive one via email and this is from Jack he mentioned my father is a pilot with NetJets and speaking to him it seems like all the major incidents that have affected the airline industry 9/11 2008 recession now Kovac they haven't really impacted the private or fractional ownership industry do you agree that private industries have less to lose during major incidents also as a prospective pilot who is looking to get into the career pathway oh that's awesome which Avenue of the airline industry do you feel has the most growth in the coming years okay so two questions here the first one is in economic downturns do do the fraction was like NetJets flex jets the corporate aviation world do they have they go through the same experiences the airlines I would say no it does seem like those kinds of industries are I don't want to say immune but more so than the airlines are from this the bottom line is it takes a lot of money to be able to hire NetJets is that somebody that has significant income and they're probably still gonna have significant income in an economic downturn there's people I don't want to speak for people but broadly speaking those industries always seem to thrive in fact I was actually just talking to a nut chest pilot the other day and I asked him how his business was she's just doing great because people want to be on the small airplanes with people they know and you know avoid the big hubs right now so it does seem like NetJets flex jets I know there's several others out there too it do seem to do pretty well all the time there's also and to kind of touch on this cargo is something that we often don't talk about but FedEx UPS doing really well right now those are highly desirable jobs to get and I think they'll still be you know everybody's still buying everything on Amazon well it comes on an airplane and of course there's other Carter cargo carriers as well like Atlas and Caleta there's definitely growth in those areas we've become a global economy things get shipped all over the world and they need to do so expeditiously that takes airplanes now the second question was where do I feel will have the most growth in the coming years I'm gonna stick with the airline's I think that we're having a little bit hiccup now absolutely but as I mentioned before we're such a culture where people fly you want to go all over the world it's even I fly all the time and you know what I still want to go places on vacation is gonna come back and and people are gonna fly again the demand is projected to be huge for growth for the airlines in the next couple of decades I think that's going to continue and looks like we have a couple questions that are coming in Charles wants to know I know you talked briefly about family life on the road is it hard to have a family well on the road that's a great question and I almost say I've never worked outside of aviation and I grew up in an aviation family but of course I know people that are and well yeah I'm gone 14 15 days a month that's true and I'm gone the entire day and the night when I'm gone ASSA 15 days a month generally off completely off where I'm home with my kids 24 hours a day first is you take your nine-to-five business man or woman they have weekends off and yeah they're getting home at 6:30 so yeah I do miss a few events here and there but I also feel like in some ways I'm able to be more present than if I was working a typical nine-to-five job so I haven't found it to be an issue in fact I think it's better that's been my experience with it and so it sounds like daniel has his instrument check right tomorrow he wants to know if there are any tips to to impress the dpe yeah I mean of course we'd recommend you study you know I always tell people I everybody has their own event I love that whorl exam guy I think it's red for the instrument one yeah we've talked about yeah it's the best I got everything you need to know and there beyond that I know everybody says it's so hard to do I still get anxious for check guys but relax just try to be calm that's really in a lot of ways what an examiner is looking for is to see are you calm under pressure if flying is is easy when nothing's happening is when things happen how do you respond as a pilot to safely complete the mission a lot of your chakra is going to be about that Oh Charleston but we wanted to say good luck on your best of success you you'll do great you check out tomorrow and then Eric would Jason would like to know just your feelings on going through a flight school versus joining the military in order to get to the airlines and obviously this is something that plays off of seniority it does but first that's a great question and it's a question we get asked a lot and to me you can't look at it is okay what's my best path to the airlines if you're gonna join the military you need to do it because you want to serve and you want to serve your country and flying is a bonus to that then that's great I'm not in the military you never happened but from what I understand growing up in Norfolk and Virginia Beach surrounded by Navy yes it's a lifestyle people going on boats for six months at a time it is an absolute commitment to the country and to just doing whatever your country needs you to do if you want to do that I think that's great and I really admire people that do that but do it for those reasons don't do it to get free flight training because the I do know some people that have gone that route and they're miserable they didn't want the lifestyle they wanted the free flight training and now they're not happy and military the military is I believe and actually correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's a ten-year commitment if you're a pilot um I I think it actually I'm not sure if it varies branch to branch no I believe it is eight four okay some branches well either way look that up guys I'm not sure to be honest but let's say it's an eight year commitment that means that from when you start in the service you've got to do eight years before you can get out do it to be eligible to leave honorably which of course you want to do that's in eight years that you probably could have gotten yourself to a major airline and you know that's a few you obviously not all eight of them but let's say two years on the back end that's two years of being a captain making $300,000 a year that you're gonna give up so I did people to go to the military the great pilots it's a great education I mean you can't knock it but they're usually 35 to 45 when they're my first officers as they join the industry they'll never be that triple 7 captain flying to Tokyo because I'll never have the seniority because they got hired later in life to do it so take your pick but again if you're gonna go to the service do it because you want to serve looks like we have from Jacob you would like to know what locations you think are best to train so perhaps we can go over factors that play into that that's the question we get a lot and and I like it it's a good question I say they're all fine and it has not just again I'm not I don't work for ATP I'm not in emissions but they've been doing this a long time several decades they want to put a little cash in someplace that didn't make sense I've seen them move locations because maybe the traffic pattern was too congested or you know there was some flight restrictions around the area I tell people that locations there because it works so pick the one that's most convenient for you or whatever your family's there or your place to live go there I want to give it any second thought to it like it's a nine-month program every locations gonna have bad weather at some point during those nine months it averages out whether it's Chicago and it's a snowstorm which also gives you beautiful flying days in the winter - or you know Florida where you get the thunderstorms particularly this summer it all averages out just pick the one that's most convenient for you Logan would like to know how do the majors decide when a new hire force officer gets placed or as far as aircraft so I say it again and cut out how do the majors decide basically what aircraft new hire first officers are assigned good question so my class I kinda know we have 16 people and they had I think it was six 757 slots and then the rest were 737 slots and the manpower pointing had determined that there was need on there for whatever reason senior pilots were committing to the 757 so they needed to fill those slots so then as I said seniority is everything even within your class and in your date of hire the Connell we did it by birthday so I was the youngest person in the class I was the last to pick I really wanted to fly to 757 and ended up on the 737 I'm glad I did I did four years on it that I really enjoyed wonderful airplane to fly but it goes by seniority within your class generally by age and what slots they need to fill typically at a major airline is gonna be your smaller airbus 737 you're not generally going to see any higher pilots getting like the trouble and what are the differences of being okay so this attendee would just like to know the differences versus cargo pilot commercial airline pilot corporate o is one better than the other well that's that's a matter of preference but what's interesting is the difference in education in training is is really not this everybody has to get the same licenses the same ratings and from there you kind of g
your direction and I've noticed that when people come to that point and they they take that left turn towards the corporate world a lot of them stay in that they really like it I find out - Aspen and for four days and then we really want to do the airline I like the airlines I like the terminals I like having 150 people in the back having the fight attendance is you know to prepare meals for you and all that kind of stuff it's the airlines very much cater to the pilot I don't really have any additional responsibilities beyond flying so I think they're all great as you become a pilot and you're hanging around the airport and you're exposed to airline pilots or two to your charter type pilots you'll find out what's going to be a good fit for you and do you commute I do commute and it's something that I recommend people don't do doing it's not that bad is I make it work I I live in Norfolk and I have a home yourself in Indiana and I'm based in Newark New Jersey and I make that commute generally it's not that bad there's about five or six flights a day from Norfolk or South Bend but I wouldn't recommend it because it takes time the way you know it's your job to make sure you're there company doesn't care where you live you can live we've had people with us South Africa as long as you show up in Newark that's all they care about it course rested and all that but but it's incumbent on you to be there and that means finding a fight that has seats on it and making sure you're there on time so generally see a lot of times guys coming in the night before or several hours earlier than their trip I really recommend moving to base is they always have some pretty good basis now I certainly find something even within two hours driving distance a lot my stress in the community eight-oh this is actually from one of our alumni recognize this name hey Patrick once people start flying again how long do you think it will take for just the overall process of hiring to be restored and obviously at this point this is anyone's best guess but back to normal and he was just asking about what would take what would be the order that will take precedence as far as recurrent training new hires things like that or in Patrick feel free to follow up on that are you asking the order of who will get hired at the airlines I'm not sure I think he's he's probably just asking in terms of what will what will we see first will we see your recurrent training take precedent and then new hires yeah absolutely recurrence the people that are at the airlines now are the ones that they need to continue to get things going i'm united actually just close their training center for i think about a week to deep cleanse it because they don't want their employees get it suck either so yeah that but it's only gonna be a week and then things will be back up and running it there and it'll be recurrent and then new hire training but this kind of they run concurrently it's not like we do one or the other and then Patrick looks like you have up all of a question I think at this point um you know we wouldn't want to advise on on just that other question because we're waiting to hear but as soon I mean is obviously as like Chris has said and he can chime in here on how long will it take for new hires to get their foot in the door once a hiring is restored is what he yeah that's a great question and I don't know but it's one of the reasons that I did I say if I guess Patrick you're already an alumni so you're in a great position get out there build your flight time you want to have as much as possible you know right now it's kind of been this race to 1500 hours and okay you get my 1,500 hours I get hired we might see that change to where they're looking at 2,000 hours or somewhere in between who knows but get out there build your flight time my guess and it's just to guess I'm not an expert or line pilot but my guess is that it's gonna be sooner than we think once this is behind this people are dying for the economy to start again for travel to start again people were ready but I think we're gonna see this surge come back once this threat of this disease is behind us and Patrick one one thing to think about with that is that graph we had before also for the the mandatory retirements you know those are still going to happen so that's going to be a demand there looks like the next one can you just explain the difference between line and reserve and a little bit of details about that everyone seems to have a different definition thanks for all the great info thank you well and part of that definition is because it's different in every airline everyone has their own contract that's negotiated with the pilot group most airlines are unionized the Union negotiates the contract so you'll see differences within this but lying in all my experiences a line holder somebody to guess their schedule usually a weaker I get mine about two weeks before the month so I call March 15th I get my April schedule and I have my entire schedule for April usually that doesn't change I can trade trips if I'd like or maybe pick up or drop a trip but generally I pretty much fly the schedule that I have now reserved typically goes to more junior people or people that live in base and close to the airport and that means you're on call you get paid a minimum guarantee I think ours are 73 hours now remember most Line Pilots v by an 85 hours just not a huge difference and basically you're the standby you wait for somebody calling sick for fight to cancel because of maintenance or whether any of the operational irregularities that the airlines have go to the reserve pilot to fill in so you get a call I believe ours as a three hour call out so from when they call you you have three hours to be at the airport and you'll be ready to start your flight sometimes it's kind of cool you get to do some neat things on reserve like very empty airplanes around or occasionally test flights things of that nature or go to different cities but most people prefer to be a line holder because they just like the whole work and Christie would like to know did you take out a private student loan to follow your dreams to become a pilot and if so how was managing battle I did take out a loan when I had to get a cosigner because while I didn't have bad credit I had no credit I was 23 at the time and just didn't have any credit history so is my mother co-sign for me and it was a 15-year alone and of course things weren't quite as expensive back in 2004 but still a sizable payment I think my payment was somewhere I'm not entirely sure and you know once I got and I made the minimum payments while I was an instructor and and as an express jet pilot but once I got to kind of not only I started making good money I just doubled down on those payments and I paid it off in seven years which was a huge relief so it's it's manageable I you know we get this question a lot too and I say to people if the banks didn't think it was manageable they wouldn't give it to you because these are unsecured loans guys that it's not like a car where if you don't pay it they come take the car there's nothing they can take back so the bank's want to they know what your future as a pilot is including as a flight instructor and they know that there's an ability to repay that loan it might be tight is but you know most jobs start with kind of an apprenticeship type you know a few years before you get into and that's basically what being a flight instructor is actually something you could speak a little bit too long that is a tuition reimbursement and what a huge help that can be and people pay back their loans definitely so for the majority of our tuition reimbursement programs you if you were a flight instructor for ETP an airline if you go through and do a cadet style interview then you're actually able to sign a contract a little bit earlier and commit to that airline and interns start receiving additional compensation from the airline to help offset the cost when those first minimum monthly payments kick in and you have to start repaying the loan and keep in mind right now it's also a great time not a lot of regionals are offering signing bonuses so if you're you know smart with those funds then you have the opportunity to really make a big impact on the principal balance on the loan to be in a situation to be able even if you don't have the funds to necessarily outside of that pay you know large sum of additional payments you are you know decreasing the compound interest over time so keep in mind those those are options that you know we recognize in industry as opportunities to be able to make that more manageable and make slight training a little bit more cost effective you know along those lines then I'm not an expert on this that the guys and gals and finance at ADP is particularly Kirk he's the guy you want to talk to explain all this he's phenomenal but that tuition reimbursement can really help kick in in those lean years when you're you know a CFI and the pay is okay but it's not great and it can help get you through the airlines to where that higher pay kicks in and you help make that payment so I don't know why everybody's not part of tuition reimbursement I wish it had is what are hey Jordan of what are major airlines doing at the moment to mitigate their cash flow well the great question is something that I touched on earlier and really is canceling flights so what I've seen is you know like I said I commute Norfolk for to Newark and they canceled all about one a day and it makes sense we still want to be able to connect people to those places they need to go to visit family to go to the life events that have to happen but there's there's no point in flying airplanes around that are losing life so basically cancellations and also putting giant revenue expenditures on hold things like new uniforms that were even going to be a couple hundred million dollars for the entire employee group things that are extra to have migrated like new airport lounges I think you're going to see a lot of that being suspended for a while we're stopping their stock buybacks too because of the cares Act so basically any extra money that nobody's come to us for pay cuts yet I don't foresee that happening I really don't I hope I'm right but so far just managing the expenses getting creative and Jordan that's something that your airline has done very well even with Southwest use to design that's why they have the ice cubes now that have have a space in them or a hole in them to help with cost-effectiveness of there are very unique there are very brilliant people that are able to find those cost-effective measures looks like we do have a couple more questions speaking of tuition reimbursement yes guys right now obviously for the tuition reimbursement you do have to go through a cadet style interview so most of the regionals the hiring is on a pause right now but we do have not been given any indication from our regional partners that this is something that we see going away anytime soon right now it is just a temporary pause until the regional airlines are able to resume all of their hiring which most of them there's limited hiring if any as far as the department positions you know across the board and even other positions so we yes we we still see that continuing and looks like a couple questions on that Inessa good point guys I think things are on pause right now I I don't think this is going to be some giant turned the world upside down kind of event here I think we're all on pause waiting to see what happens what's not on pause are those airline retirements that we showed earlier those are continuing which is going to continue to drive programs like tuition reimbursement and Logan would like to know what is a good number of hours that the majors look for it's been a while if you can't even speak to two experienced Overhaulin and what some of the criteria yeah and well well first thing is an undergraduate degree or better to the person who had the graduate degree but they definitely want an undergrad degree and that's just to show that you've got commitment you're able to follow through on on for years the caveat to that is the flow through to American Airlines don't require those however bear in mind that means you're limiting yourself to only work for American Airlines Americans company got alcohol as a captain there there's no reason you wouldn't want to go to American but you also probably don't want to limit yourself just that so four year degree that's the big one that's what separates the most people out then I'd say of the first officers that I'm flying with most of them have about three to six years in how to regional right now probably around four or five thousand hours I'm not based on anything scientific that's just kind of an informal I'm talking to the the new hires that I fly with but yeah we do see people that have been in regionals longer a lot of that was choices for whatever reason they were comfortable there they were captain they'd agreed schedule they had young kids they wanted to stay so we do see that the older set coming over but I'd say you know three to five maybe six years at a regional and Sam says that he has heard rumors of the retirement age being grazed 267 do you even see that as a possibility I'm not an expert on that but I could tell you when when the age changed from sixty to sixty-five there was real rumors like coming from the Union coming from the FAA and it took an act of Congress literally an act of Congress to change that age there's been none of that now I think a lot of that might be wishful thinking the 63-64 whole crowd of pilots out there they want to keep flying but now I haven't heard anything definitive and whenever I've asked that question of people that are actually experts at aviation medical examiner's or reps it's not in their works Tim I know I just not on the FAA radar okay and how did you choose Continental over all the other airline well we always say that the best major is the one that hired you continental hired me first it's funny I growing up I thought I'd be a US Air pilot my father was USA I just you know when I would think about being a pilot and even once I begun my flight training that was kind of my intended destination if you will but then I ended up getting hired at Express jet which as I mentioned was kind of Express back then and I really like the the coal you're a continental the rouse that they had the airplanes that they had were great and they called me for an interview I did have some connections there that the help they helped a lot but um I don't know it was as fine for Continental Express I got to see Continental firsthand and it really seemed like an attractive place to work and and in unites the same way it's a great culture great corporate culture everybody kind of working together and I like that and I think a lot of that that came from Continental and you would like to know he is currently in his first year at college would you recommend recommend me to enroll in my local flight school first then enroll at ATP that's what I did any I got my private I think that if you have your summers off and you think you can do it in those two to three months that's a great way to go about especially if you're unsure and you know I wasn't 100% sure that I really wanted to be one of the reasons I got my private outside of ATP because at the end of the day I could say okay I spent ten grand or whatever it cost and yeah it's not for me but I had my private license I can go flying weekends so it was a way of be kind of testing waters without committing I think it really depends on you and how committed you are I will say that that there is an ATP way of fly they've been doing this for a long time they they have procedures that they've honed over decades and decades of practice and coming in with my private from another school from only having phone one instructor I had some bad habits that I picked up from him and it's funny people how do people only want one instructor yeah that's not how their lines work you're gonna fly with several people and if you come ATP you won't have several but you'll have a few along the way that's really good that's
ifference experience different people different techniques of teaching I have some bad habits I had to learn so you know if you have a summer to get a head start on it that's great if you're also using that time to save money to pay for it and I would say awake but depends on you how certain you are a bit Stephen his location right now is shut down your or they're not able to conduct training due to coronavirus so maybe he's in one of those locations where there is a County or statewide mandated enclosure of certain businesses so he wants to know if you think it would be best to temporarily move locations to continue training so that he can get into the seniority pulled faster or if he should just wait until this location reopens you know but it's the seniority is everything and it depends on how easy it is for you to move to that location if is something you can easily do and there's no impending risk of that location being shut down yeah I probably would I mean we don't really know when this is gonna end and the sooner you can get out there start building that flight time like I talked about the people with the most time they're the ones that are gonna get hired just depends on how how much of a trek that is for you and if you're able to easily do it if it's an easy move yeah I'd be alright keep flying and the other thing is your skills aren't going to get rusty like they are waiting I think we've already answered this but David had asked he's looking to enroll at ATP in October with a private pilot is it still a good time to enroll in a flight school and I think are both of our astounding answers is yes but I'll let it Chris again describe that in a little more detail yeah no I think so like I said guys this is temporary and you know the fact I yeah there's none of these things we've seen Oh a even 9/11 none of it had I don't want to say it didn't have a big impact they all had big impacts but not a career killing people still want to train you know when when Adam and I went to training it wasn't such a great time yeah their Airlines hadn't been hiring for a while and we went through we got ready and well here we are we're both a major airlines now so yeah I would say go ahead and start okay guys you know if it's your dream go out there and do it and Patrick is starting with us April 27 so welcome Patrick credit private and I guess this is a question how do we okay so this is again about tuition reimbursement and a v8 and envoy cadet program yes as as discussed right now some of the programs have restricted the interview process but they if there is an application I still there's a couple questions about this still encourage you if the application is live go ahead and apply again seniority is everything on those two because you do want to be able to get that cadet style on interview out of the way and complete that to be able to move on to the next step to be eligible for tuition reimbursement and Patrick also said thank you very much for your time and your answers on all of the airline pilot life forum posts those of you who are thinking of starting the program soon or maybe signed up for it if you've been an airline pilot life you know what we always say is take those writtens now if you have time the FAA written exams get as many of them done as you can before you start flight training we are huge relief for you in the program now when I push back a start date to accommodate that now the program is meant to be done in to have the Ritz completed during the program but if you have the time knock them out get them out of the way with it will be a huge relief and maybe a little op topic no it is not and this one is from anonymous so we don't have the name but what is your favorite aircraft aircraft to fly you know I think it's a great question uh they all have things about them that are positives and negatives I will give you my favorite but um let's take the Airbus I didn't like the side stick at first and now I love it I love not having the yoke in the way rate rate able to your paperwork or you eat the 757 is probably the most capable aircraft iphone we had the rolls-royce or have the rolls-royce engines on them very powerful airplane relative to you what we're asking it to do you could just do anything you wanted to do it's a great airplane to fly I tell you my favorites is 737 though it's never flew the max like flew the 300 which was around daya would call it a classic with your fashion instruments 500g fost which was kind of a mixture of the two and the seven eight nine hundreds which were glass cockpits and I'm just a great workhorse of an airplane it doesn't break it's reliable it does what it needs to do and it might take a lot of runway but but it'll get you where you need to go and just a very reliable airplane to fly and I really enjoy flying this and this is all a question from the same poster so this is something I think Chris you and I had discussed too just with the current situation and hiring and um you would like to know he or she would like to know how do you feel about the this and then how do you feel that the outlook will be as far as the regionals with resuming hiring well of course you know what the regionals do is largely driven by the majors but the majors can't function without the regionals like I mentioned I commute out of Norfolk and South man neither one big cities particularly South Bend right but it's the people to get on that 50 seat airplane the South Bend but then fly to Chicago or to Newark that to fill the triple 7 going to Tel Aviv so we're absolutely dependent on the regionals and I think that when everything kind of starts up again I believe we'll see them them hiring - ok and this last this is do you think that the Hyperloop will ever take over air transport tell you I'm not sure what that is so we were provided with a follow up the so I think that's what Tesla is is working on and the speed to trap the ability that to travel at seven hundred miles per hour do you think that it can take over the aviation industry yeah I'm guessing this is kind of maglev related maglev trains and forgive me if I'm wrong on that but it's funny I remember hearing about Magma's for years and no I don't the difference is is to fly from New York to Los Angeles I only need 16 thousand feet of infrastructure you know 8,000 feet in New York eight thousand feet in LA to land a train needs you know what 2,300 however many miles are in between these people of track and infrastructure to run we're talking something that's incredibly expensive to build mile for mile for mile I just maybe I'm wrong I don't know it I don't see it anywhere in our lifetimes well it looks like we are actually approaching our hour so just want to say thank you Chris for joining us today thank you for all of our attendees if we didn't get a chance to answer your question I will capture them and looks like some of them are more geared towards our admissions team so I'll have them reach out and get in contact with you guys and thank you again to everyone that tuned in this week next week on Friday at 2:00 p.m. Eastern we're going to be speaking with Rebecca Crone she is a president and founder of corporate and career take off and she's going to discuss a rating and effective pilot resume so if you guys are getting close to that time of wanting to secure either your first job as a CLI or with regional airline or even would like some answers if we have anyone on here that's approaching the transition to a major we will have her again on Friday at 2 p.m. Eastern and thank you Chris so much for joining us and for all of your expertise today and everyone have a wonderful week and weekend and fly safe hey thanks for having me
