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miss thank you mr chairman and uh gentlemen thank you for testing today and your service general carlisle always good to see you sir great career in the military and mr smith i appreciate our opportunity chat last night is uh very informative for me and uh mr schmidt thank you for all you're doing in your post uh google world let me um let me ask a question that there's been some press back and forth and i think it's just given your guy your three leaders right big leaders in america and a whole host of different ways there's been some press in the last couple years where some concerns i've read and i'd love you to just comment on it on our tech industry silicon valley in particular kind of um maybe not being so interested in supporting our military support in the pentagon um you know mr smith as you and i talked about i had the opportunity to go out to microsoft's ives partnership and development center i thought it was incredible seeing these young men and women who were very motivated to help our men and women in uniform mr schmidt you i'm sure you saw there's some google press that i thought was very unfavorable where you know there was this idea hey we don't want to help the pentagon my view as an american it's free country you can do whatever the heck you want but don't then be found to be helping the chinese communist party like that's gonna be a problem so can you three i would love to hear just succinct statements on from your perspective just how important that is we we have a challenge with this very new great power competitor and the technology of our country working with our military is going to be indispensable and it does concern me some when you hear and again they're allowed to do it one of the great things about our country it's free uh you need to say whatever you want but i'd love to hear from you guys on just how important it is to be doing what you're doing and what we're talking about here because we don't have that kind of cooperation it's gonna be tough on all of us well i would say first i think one of the great uh challenges for this committee the congress and the country is to keep the public united uh around the importance of our national security at a time when we live in a polarized political climate and the key to that not surprisingly is as always leadership and communications the formula that we have found to be effective is to be clear that we as a company at microsoft will provide to the united states military all the technology that we create we will simultaneously engage to address the issues that a new generation i think rightly focuses on things like the ethics of artificial intelligence and we will honor people's choices and when we have a project like i've asked it's really an all-volunteer project and we have no shortage of volunteers and those young men and women i will tell you haven't spent a day with them were incredibly impressive motivated patriotic because they knew what they were doing which is helping the front line troops who put their life on the line for our nation and i think there's one other thing where communication can be invaluable look most people you know in the tech sector or perhaps most industries are simply not aware of the deep ethical tradition of the united states military and when they learn about it we actually realized that we have more to learn from the military and it really changes the climate among uh especially a new generation of employees i appreciate you saying that miss smith mr schmidt or general so the only thing i'm sorry sorry i didn't media interrupt the only thing i'd add is you know my experience is the american population is further and further in many cases removed from the military it's an all-volunteer force which is exactly the right thing in my opinion and the quality of the force in the united states military i tell everybody if you want to be impressed with america's youth go out to your flight lines your ships your tanks these 19 year olds are just amazing it gives you hope and optimism there's no doubt about it but i think it's an education i think that just as mr smith said i i think that you know that a lot of it is not because they fundamentally you know don't like the military they just don't know yeah the that we go to the the the links we go to um to deter and prevent vice con the last person that wants to go to war is the person getting shot at and so the prevention and deterrence and then when we are to follow the most ethical rules for how if we have to engage how we engage and how we we do everything we can uh to only uh follow uh the enemy combatants so i i think it's an education process mr schmidt you have a view on that and i didn't want to come down too hard but i but i have ripped some google employees and hearings like this before where maybe it was bad press reporting but i was like you got to be kidding me i mean again free country you can do whatever the hell you want but not going to help the pentagon please don't go help the communist party of china with their ai research i did not agree with the google decisions on maven etc as you know i worked as a government employee working for the dod for five years using the dib so my personal view is clear i also funded and have continued to work with a large number of startups in the areas that that we're interested in who are really really committed to working with the dod so i can tell you that the google experience you had it was probably an aberration compared to the industry as a whole and mr chairman if i may just very quickly since this is such a distinguished panel sorry to my colleagues um but i know you've been getting a lot of questions on china just very quickly uh to be respectful here i'm over my time comparative advantages that we have versus what they have particularly in this tech sector i mean i'll give you i think the fact that we're an energy superpower right now producing more oil gas and renewables in any country on the planet china would love to be in that driver's seat unfortunately we have an administration right now that wants to diminish that which i find ridiculous and crazy but where do you think the comparative advantages are particularly ai i read that part of their advantage is their massive population that in some ways they their their own population is guinea pigs it helps them advance in ai where where are our comparative advantages and vice versa theirs so the uh the chinese are well ahead in areas like face recognition because of what they do to surveilla their citizens so that is the idea of guinea pigs and billions of people that they can just test their technology is generations ahead of what is possible in the west and you can understand why their technology is extremely far ahead in electronic commerce and in mobile payments and most recently they've announced the development of a central bank bank digital one their currency to actually and they're obviously have from their perspective internal security benefits from watching where all the money goes uh these are all things that the united states would not do so those are two where there's no question that they have an advantage there are people who believe that because they have essentially no privacy rights in the terms that we think of it that they'll be able to aggregate very large databases in particular in healthcare and that will allow for them to discover new things and so forth we need to address these uh and again without compromising our core american values i would just say very briefly we often talk about research and development but especially for something like ai we should talk about research development and deployment in other words broad adoption and use especially when you think about the positive feedback cycle that is created when technology is deployed it creates more data that data then leads to further improvement i think china is doing a better job right now than we are in in deployment part of it is it's it's government-led in many ways part of it is there are uses where we quite rightly say no part of it is the entrepreneurialism we're seeing in many parts of the chinese economy so i think for the united states we have to think about how we foster faster deployment and i think in the government for the dod how the dod for example can foster faster deployment now at the same time the american comparative advantages in other respects remain considerable our universities our commercial technology sector and and i think the principles one thing we haven't noted that i think is very important in the world today is the fact that the dod last year adopted ethical principles to guide the use of artificial intelligence by the military and i think the more we can encourage our allies to adopt these principles the more we separate ourselves in a way that will benefit us in in numerous respects right thank you mr chairman