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it's either that or many or to everyone so that's the deal and um i'm really excited to have these speakers uh talk about this incredibly important issue um you know we've been hearing a lot now um still with uh stuff around keystone but we don't hear too much about this but uh it's an incredibly important issue that we have to get out there um paul domain is um the honor of the earth board of direct board of directors um board of director he's never mind he's oh actually he's the chair okay uh oneida ojibwe former editor of the national news publication news from indian country winona leduc is executive director honor of the earth and harvard educated economist ojibwe tanya obid i hope i said that right the local 1850 is that right but okay thank you local 1855. is that i'm trying to i should have gotten this straight beforehand i'm sorry akin king thank you treaty host for the ojibwe nation um shania madison is local community host living on the mississippi and willow rivers um welcome okay give me a big hand i'm gonna i'm gonna start things out here and i'm gonna do run through a real quick overview and then we're going to bring winona leduc in who is going to come and go so uh she is following this uh her son has a birthday party that's going on here and she is probably the host of her son's birthday there so we want to keep going so i want to say this uh boujou in dino imagine a duck hello my relatives oscar bayless indus unicorns my name is the message carrier mccoy indo-daim i'm of the bear clan of the oneida nation and uh odawa is the guy in new zealand i live on the lacutae ojibwe reservation uh at this point in my life so i want to thank you for welcoming us and i want to kind of jump into a real quick overview and then bring leduc in for as long as she wants to just talk and then we'll go on to the other participants there and they can describe some of the sub information and hopefully uh we'll get to questions pretty quick so i don't think we need to talk about global warming or climate change uh we understand that as activists but we want to think about how we see this uh how i see this uh infrastructure project in northern minnesota remembering that uh not only is there global warming and climate change and horrendous impacts to the weather patterns in the united states but we recognize that the homelands of the ojibwe cree and alberta calgary alberta canada have been injured environmentally by the tar sands operations there and on the other end of some of these pipelines at kalamazoo they've had destructive spills in their history several 100 along the line the lines that they have in the united states something like 33 on line 5 alone and so we we don't just see it as just a destructive act in northern minnesota or along the pipelines or in just albert berta canada or michigan where where it comes and goes but inclusively it's impacting the world in in a way that concerns us all and and we want to be proactive about how to deal with it right at the moment there is at least four or five camps operating in northern minnesota uh magisi at the fond du lac reservation the water protectors welcome camp on the on the mississippi uh the gnu camp uh about halfway in the middle of minnesota i think there's gonna be a camp at coffee pot landing near the white earth reservation then there's one sponsored by the red lake ojibwe at thief river in addition to numerous hosting houses and lodges that have been established in the last couple of months as people have tried to figure out a way to provide safe housing to people in northern minnesota with church groups and political organizations of many kinds opening their doors to host people so they're safe not in this pandemic and cold weather but have a place uh to go from that is locally based which is important there are numerous court cases and issues that are now on the docket we're waiting for appeals to the minnesota department of natural resources permits the minnesota pollution control agency the minnesota department of commerce on the economic or it might be puc in minnesota on the economic studies analysis that were done seven years before the downturn in the tar sand industries permits issued by the army corps of engineer called 404 permits for wetlands and waterways numerous crossings the wetlands and waterways in northern minnesota and uh the army corps of engineer permits lacking an environmental impact statement there are requests for health orders because enbridge says that they're rushing in 5 000 workers into northern minnesota to try to complete as much as this project in front of those appeals as they can and it's beginning to show in terms of some of the worksite uh safety issues uh there is so we're we're hoping to see whether or not osha is on top of it they've uh there's been already the death of one worker at a work site there is a horrendous crash of a pipeline truck and a logging truck uh with people sent to the hospital last saturday there was an individual who was trapped in in the water and they're not supposed to be on lake beds and waterways that we know of but his caterpillar sank into it and he was trapped in 48 minutes in the water until they were able to release the water from a beaver pond so the question is whether or not we're getting the information we need about accidents and other actions on those sites that people are claiming that they're going through a job site acceleration that might be beyond what federal regulations uh provide and we know that there's issues over the archaeological study which were deficient in terms of the culture historical and certainly the spiritual aspects of that area uh that have been uh surveyed by enbridge but we're finding that people were chased off property and we can't find the source information for the archaeological discoveries that were done so there's a whole spectrum of stuff that's going on and that's all all under the hub of the 1855 treaty with the ojibwe nation in which they reserved off reservation hunting fishing and other gathering rights similar to wisconsin's case and uh that is what uh many ojibwe people are fighting for not only uh the fact that they feel they're being ignored in regards to the treaty of 1855 but simply the potential impact to their resources in northern minnesota uh is not worth it and so that rush to get this line in is causing uh people to uh rush back at enbridge and uh shut the lines uh lying construction down on a regular basis uh there are actually numerous uh daily reports and actions across northern minnesota some of them that are not making the news where job sites are being uh shut down our workers aren't being allowed out of their work sites and so forth so there's a lot of on-the-ground activity that's going on in many organizations stopline3.org is the major url to go to for information but minnesota interfaith power and light 350.org justice 80 feet is enough in wisconsin sarah club and many other organizations are hosting websites where if you google them information you will and and ask about stop line 3 or stop line 5 you should find information about numerous organizations there's probably 40 or 50 organizations that are now uh cooperating in various resupply and support categories letter writing de-investment activities so with that and having used up about 10 minutes of our time what i'd really like to do is see if winona leduc is on board i saw her box come up earlier and she is waiting to be able to go online i'm here there you go i'm gonna hand it over to you let me know and if you'd like to introduce uh tanya after that and hand it off to her local 1855 and then don you can hand it off to shinny and i'll be happy to uh have my sisters uh who are over in palisade in the eastern part of our territory um talk after this you know i i do have it it's my my son's 21st birthday um so i'm gonna go over and give him some indian tacos that i promise were promised um having said that look you know uh we're all here this is like an epic moment in the world and uh you know our prophecies have talked about the choice between two paths but one being well worn and scorched the other being green and um you know at the same time we know that aaron dottie roy talks about pandemic as portal the fact is is that the world um the world is changing you know we're doing stuff we would have never done we're sitting there trying to figure out zoom i was laughing at the discussion on how to operate zoom we had to learn all these things on skype and there's zoom and there's all these other chat things oh my god everything's changing disruptive technologies that's what they call that stuff whole world's changing you know and uh and exxon's not even at the top anymore did you notice that it's like elon musk and and jeff bezos are duking it out for who's the richest guys in the world all this fossils fuel stuff is really last century you know there's climate change there's every you know liability that is associated with all the blood oil and just the really inefficiencies of the system really amazing fossil fuel uh you know combustion engines like um i think it's 16 efficient an electric engine is uh 65 efficient so what kind of dummies want to hang out there with a bunch of combustion engines at the end of the fossil fuel era and act like we got a good plan this is not a good plan you know the plan as we move along we go for less let's move it around you know we skype around and we zoom around we reduce some of the stuff we relocalize and we quit uh having to jet everything around the world and we don't act like a bunch of addicts who need so many fossil fuels that's what i've been thinking you know some over here growing hemp trying to do our best my tribe's all doing solar everybody's going solar over here and then we're looking at the largest tar sands pipeline in the world i'm like oh my god what kind of dumb idea is that so that's the thing you know here we are last tar sands pipeline it's like who wants to be the last tar sands pipeline nobody wants to be the last tar sands pipeline at the end of the fossil fuel era except for governor waltz you know apparently who believes that this is a good idea because there's going to be some jobs in it so you know the short term is that we're going to battle like hell you know we've been up here and you've seen the videos and we are grateful to all the people of color my sisters are going to talk more about it because they're out there you know i'm on the western front they're in the eastern front of line three i'm out on the white earth reservation where i could just go just a little ways down the road and see the line the line connects us all and what we're going to do is stop the line because it's a bad idea i forwarded to paul um domain there some data on enbridge's line three spills there haven't been any on this line why because they keep repairing it and and this this is the end of the party so you know what we shouldn't build a new one we should just phase the old ones out enbridge is perfectly capable of putting the oil that is in this pipeline now that they've cut back 400 000 barrels a day of oil in their throughput because we aren't using oil to just put it in some other lines and start chilling out and quit trying to put in more pipelines and stress out the whole great lakes area for some really stupid infrastructure that's really really dangerous and puts a liability on all of these states and expects that a canadian corporation should be supported you know so we're gonna keep pushing you know they don't have uh you know they're acting pretty happy about getting those permits but you know spring is coming and resistance will be growing you know hanging out when it's 15 below facing a bunch of cops i'm you know my my sisters you know i'll tell you that that's like not so fun you know but uh they cannot cross the rivers they cannot cross the rivers until it falls we have been praying for cold the good minnesota winter we pray for cold and then we pray for snow and we organize that make sense they cannot cross the rivers the big crossings there are 22 crossings they can't take them until come join us we'll be harvesting maple syrup we'll be living on our you know we'll be taking to canoe be awesome be outdoorsy go it's safe well i'm saying and then just you know the thing is is that we're all in this together to get through to get to you guys they got to go through us so come and help us put the cork in it over here i don't know what the biden administration is going to do we all got to push him you know and we just got to say it's time to move on you know we're all from the same ecosystem all of us here we're going to spend the rest of our darn lives fighting over rocks and pipes the rest of our lives would we spend 30 years doing it so far 40. how about we just evolve time for the just transition right so this is our moment people this is our moment because why this is our moment because it's a portal between the two worlds between one world and the next that's what aaron dottie roy says you know it's a pandemic you can change the world so i say just keep pushing come join us and uh shania and tanya my sisters from uh palisade i'm gonna ask them to talk a little bit more specifically but we are really grateful to everybody who's been coming out donations have been really good we appreciate we're going to build some more tiny homes you know put our homeless people in tiny homes after the after this this resistance they're still going to need housing right so let's just make housing and go for a line we're going to put solar thermal panels on the houses to keep them warm the wood stoves you know let's make livable housing for people it's okay and uh you know and then people are dropping off food and warm socks and all kinds of things thank you yeah thank you for help winona if there is one thing you would suggest to a group in southern wisconsin that they could do in the next couple of days uh to move this agenda along what would that be well you know there's a couple of things one is that we need to push the not only the president but the senators i mean wisconsin you know some things changed in these elections because of indian people you know let's keep pushing and let's push let's push you know in at that level there was no federal eis done so just to be clear we would like a federal eis you know the biden administration could review um and then you should just follow us at um on earth and stopline3.org thanks winona is the march 23rd is our federal court date i probably didn't say that either march 23rd federal court date yeah you know yes sir where is that being argued where is that i think it's in dc i don't think it's here i think it goes moved it's over in dc or federal and it's in the same you know i mean look at the decisions on dapl look at this you know the pipelines are falling you know constitution pipeline did not happen atlantic coast pipeline did not happen single largest tarp sands mine project the tech mine they didn't happen you know so just keep pushing the tar sands are running out of dirty oil and now is the time to keep pushing yeah for anyone that might not be used to federal language uh uh environmental impact statement as the ies which the federal government didn't do under the trump administration so since she's got to leave i just wanted to give a special thanks to winona for stopping by much appreciated zach wade's birthday no happy honor to be with you one team be the home team that's us home team happy birthday to your son yes thank you i'm gonna go deliver those indian tacos we've been working on yeah okay bye then bye-bye oh paul i sent a thing on ambridge's on enbridge's uh spill data but um um chennai and are they in this are my sisters in the same location tanya where are you yeah they're ready you're ready to take over i'll be back soon i see you soon good to see you here okay i go we do which one of you ladies would like to take off first or seeing uh tanya or um having a little bit of a dinner meal and i'm probably jealous whatever she had because uh with all the with all the donations and people showing up to cooking at the camps she's eating a lot better than i am i know that tanya wanna go next m colonized name is tanya abid tanya like i'll tanya hyde okay um i'm kind of a little bit under duress because tonight for dinner tonight i had some monomin otherwise known as wild rice and uh earlier i had uh bread bread and some spam you know that kind of thing but you know what um i feel very under duress with the this pipeline coming through my treaty territory and the reason why i had dinner tonight uh with manomen eating monomin is because that is one of the things that is being endangered um i believe in canada and the us we have 28 percent of the wild rice in this country in this territory and they want to threaten that with the pipeline through it um already since 1934 15 13 to 15 wild rice beds are already decimated they no longer grow back and that includes the st louis river so for me that is this is a vital stand for me to be able to tell enbridge no you get out of here a pinhole leak is 1.28 barrels per minute and that's a pinhole leak and that can go up to i think it's five barrels one point two eight barrels to five barrels a minute and if you can picture in your mind what a barrel looks like it's a 55 gallon barrel and how much of that is going to be leaking into our ecosystem here our waters are uh are our waters that the animals depend on the the birds the deer the bears the beavers the fish you know they all have a vital part in that having that water to be healthy so yeah um i'm up here over at the welcome water protector center and i've been greeting people daily uh there have been new faces coming in each day and each day i let them know what is going to happen when that pipeline breaks here and it seems like you know law enforcement and dnr they can't keep telling me you can't be doing this you can't be protesting you can't be um shutting this pipeline down oh yes i can because they have no jurisdiction my treaties supersede the federal government laws even minnesota's minnesota state laws they have no jurisdiction but you know what enbridge and minnesota state did not even want to recognize us when i went to the puc hearings i noticed that they didn't even have us on any of the slides that they had showing up on the tv monitors it was like where are we we should be a part of that well later on as the puc hearings were going on they finally put us in as little reservations and then come to find out that even our reservation lands were getting smaller and smaller and smaller and it's like where did our last go but then they forget that we got treaty territories and even those treaty territories boundaries uh they seem to be moving quite a bit over time so for me you know this is really important work you know not only on a state level but it's on a human being level everybody deserves fresh water clean air and good food to eat you know take a look at our bodies for instance we are made up of comprised only about 90 water you know if we enter toxic water into that system how are we going to behave we're going to have uh medical issues cancers tumors you name it that's what we'll be having i've had family members already you know um born without born without brains or even that piece that connects the brain to haves together called the eight genesis of the corpus callosum and these folks these uh grand babies of mine they lived in different parts of the state and they've been affected by the uh pipeline spills and also by the um logging industry like sappy over there not only that there's always this big pointing fingers between the pipeline carriers and also the mining companies trying to blame each other who is polluting the water more so you know those are the things that i've been taking a look at and then not only that but listening to the oral histories of my family and they go further back we our family's been here for over 15 000 years and people you know are telling me you know even the law enforcement over here the head cop right he says you're making things up he was telling me that his family was here longer i was like no way sir no yours immigrated from another country so you can't tell me that your family has been here longer than mine so yeah it's kind of ooh so anyways you know um this is going to come to like a a little bit of news for um the chairman of honor to earth or for the board member on valentine's day valentine's day myself and chennai we are going to be going on a hunger strike we're going to be ingesting liquids in that to be able to say that yes we can survive on water i was out at the standing rack back in 2016 2017 and i was there for nine months my last month was the whole month of february from february first to february 28th i was on hunger strike there and i survived on water i've had medics there helping out and you know the whole bit the prayers and everything worked so you know this is something that we would or have put a lot of thought into but then this is another non-violent direct action stance that i'm taking and shania is taking to be able to stop this pipeline so i'm going to turn it over to shania tania um so my name is shania matson and um i've been here at the welcome center since late summer early fall so i i grew up here in palisade and i'm not native my family came to the united states six generations ago and ended up settling right here in northern aitkin county and they came from sweden and from eastern europe and most of my family members back through time at least the men in my family have worked in extraction so logging mining uh other industries like that and some of my family members now work on the enbridge pipeline but i moved i moved back here in part to uh reconnect with my family in the place that i come from but also because i knew i'd been following line three and before that the sandpiper pipeline proposals because my uh from the beginning of those proposals there was a plan to route uh the pipeline across the mississippi river close to palisade which is the town where i grew up so i was living in minneapolis i was going to all the hearings i was making public comments i wrote letters to the editor back to the hometown newspaper and elsewhere i did all of those things like so many people did thinking that the system was somehow going to work you know because the overwhelmingly people were opposed to this pipeline and overwhelmingly the science uh and then of course the treaty rights uh violations that are uh that the pipeline uh creates and so i did all of that and then in 2018 i was at the public utilities commission hearing that tanya uh when she stood up and declared that uh that there that they had declared war on the ojibwe people and i was part of the movement at that point and was connected with some folks but i hadn't i hadn't been to standing rock i went for a couple of days but i didn't have that same experience and so i was still able to disconnect i would go to those hearings and then i'd go back to my house in minneapolis and i would think about you know oh what am i going to do when they and if they do build this pipeline through you know right in my hometown if people in my family are working on this pipeline um and so i started to make plans in 2018 to get myself back here um and so here i am i've been here um i am here in support of and following the leadership of tanya and winona and other native women who are leading really leading this movement and you know i'm going to be joining uh this hunger strike uh with tanya um in part to raise awareness and it's a non-violent direct action um it's something we're doing for that reason but also for me it's really a chance to ground myself you know to through this practice of fasting and then being really intentionally in this place as we get closer to spring when the rivers will thaw and when we'll be tapping maple trees it's just something i want to do to be able to have that spiritual experience and to find out what that will mean i'm doing a lot of work here in the local community trying to connect with folks here and we're you know we're up against generations of really bad stories and a lot of violence and i'm seeing that in a new way now with how law enforcement in collaboration with local government and local people who they call up uh you know when they need to tell tell a story about water protectors to they they end up putting people's lives at risk by telling lies and misinformation about why we're here and what we're doing um so i feel like it's a little bit of my role is in a kind of counter counter narrative this is my daughter leslie my kids are here with me too um so i won't go on and on um too much about it because i want to make sure that we have time to talk just a second um but i did want to say that you know my my feeling here is that um to be a water protector here and now really means that as settlers you know we are honoring those treaties that those treaties were made not to grant native people rights but to grant us the chance to be here in a good way and i feel like i have a lot of repair work to do on behalf of some of my ancestors and and that work i choose to do by being committed to this struggle um and being here and being present being a witness raising my voice uh raising my babies to be active um and to honor those things so i'll just leave it at that but i'm really grateful to paul and and winona and tanya for all of your leadership and all the things you're that i'm learning from you as i'm part of this [Music] we are going to start the hunger strike on valentine's day you know to show love for mother earth and that is the day that we are going to start all right well thank you guys this is usually the point where we meet in person i tell everyone give our speakers a big hand so you're getting a big hand right now i'm sure we're all we're thrilled to have you guys here and hear hear your stories and what's going on so now now it's your chance to to ask questions of our speakers um things you're interested concerned about you can do so by mike or by messaging anyone's gonna send any chocolates it has to be before valentine's day yes right away um i i was i just had a question first i want to say thank you so much um linguist to everyone and for the speaking and for will be sending prayers for the hunger strikes for sure um i i watched the movie just before we started here and at the end i was concerned and confused and a little bit just wanted maybe some clarification it said that there was um there was uh on hold for a while in 2019 but now i guess maybe um you could just give me a sense about um is it is back on now like a rush right um but it seemed like that that also the enbridge stock dropped when there was on on hold so that's an exciting thing if we can just get the money um sometimes that's all they listen to right is the fact that they're gonna lose money um but maybe um just a little bit more clarification about what actually which permits are coming and i'm a little confused the proposal i'll talk a little bit about that the proposal by enbridge for a line three replacement is a seven year-old event it began seven years ago and so these permit requests and and sighting uh was a big hold up because uh the leech lake tribe refused to allow them to come through the reservation initially the fond du lac reservation refused to let him through and correct me if the number is wrong tanya but i think it was like a 148 million dollar settlement with the fond du lac tried tribe allowed enbridge to continue their oil through several three or four other pipelines through the reservation with the contingency that enbridge would for the first time take out the old pipe line three through the reservation but uh no excuse me leech lake did a settlement as long as the line was rerouted outside of their reservation the fond du lac reservation allowed the replacement of line three on the reservation as long as enbridge took the old line out the final permit that needed to be issued was by the uh united states army corps of engineers which is your 404 permits which are water crossing and wetland permits which were granted in december of last year at that particular point enbridge had already massively stored pipes for the last five years on various sites in northern minnesota anything that they could do before the need for a particular permit was put in place so that on december second or 3rd when that army corps of engineer permit was granted and bridge announced that they're going to bring 4 200 workers into northern minnesota in order to put the piping in i last read that enbridge was saying they had as many as 5 000 workers in northern minnesota which is about five times more workers than you would have on any pipeline you cannot get a pipeline worker in the united states even though by some of the reactions to the opposition to the line you'd think that everyone in the world was a pipeline worker they are all in northern minnesota louisiana pennsylvania texas california you will find 95 percent of all license plates operating in that region are from out of state enbridge has purchased them all in an urgent attempt to get as much piping in now so that when they go to court on march 23rd they'll argue before the judge saying we've done a half a billion dollars worth of work on this pipeline and you're gonna make us take it out now your honor come on so i i think that's one of the angles that they're looking for uh it is one of the last projects that is still surviving that's been proposed by enbridge and so there's a lot at stake in regards to stock owners equity enbridge their stock has dropped significantly in the last 10 years if you look at their stock uh range if you invested a hundred thousand dollars 10 years ago it might be worth uh 75 or 80 it fluctuates it went down while line three was stalled when the permit was issued it went back up but what the oil industry has done in general in order to survive the last couple years is to spend all of their cash flow provided by stock investors and so for example if i owned a hundred thousand dollars worth of enbridge stock enbridge pays the highest dividend per capita of any oil transportation corporation in the world and there's a reason for that because if you can guarantee the stock dividend you will and and that's the kind of market you're in uh a portfolio that generates revenue rather than plays the stock market they maintain their stock investors by paying a good huge dividend back on a regular basis even if the uh value of the stock has been driven down and enbridge has three or four different corporate entities they have everything broken up so that if there's another spill like kalamazoo that only one particular llc is responsible for it and the citizens of the united states pick up the cleanup costs for everything else line five and some of these other lines are simply shortcuts to get their oil to foreign markets line five takes oil from canada back into canada at sarnia ontario canada uh the dakota access was an attempt to get their oil flowing as is keystone xl flowing to texas markets so it can be sold to a foreign market very little of any of the product that comes through enbridge pipelines generally speaking stays in the united states even though um if you believe what they've said and enbridge spends over 50 million dollars a year on public relations in the united states and canada the last five or six years at least they have every single newspaper in northern wisconsin has a half page ad in every single issue super bowl ads on and on and on uh if you want some candy right now ask enbridge they'll fund you they've hired more american indians than ever before we're very proud in helping force enbridge to do that and we've caused enbridge to hire a lot of native contractors which we're very proud of and every single day that this line is slowed down is another day that a union worker can take home another daily daily worth of wage to his family to feed his family because rather than being a nine-month product a pr project it may be a 18-month project it may be a project in which they put half of it in and then are ordered to take the other half out so they have a full project as well so there should be any arguments from the workers who are earning time and a half in overtime working on saturdays the inc dent that someone talked about last saturday where this caterpillar went into the water and the man was trapped i was on a saturday evening after somewhere around five o'clock as the sun went down so they're working their workers really really hard with the idea that they want to get this thing in leduc mentioned one small victory and that was the victory in which uh and and this is how enbridge operates in a lot of places in a way you want to watch this they were proposing to start their drilling under i think 22 or more uh water crossings major water crossings like the mississippi river you remember the mississippi river ends up in new orleans so it's upper watershed and any oil spill is going to have an impact all the way down that line in some way former fashion um but uh yeah i lost my track i've thought for a minute there uh they're rushing to get small victory pardon me even the small victory that um the small victory was is that someone uh enbridge was going to try to start drilling under the mississippi river or some other water crossing and someone says according to your engineer safety plan you have to have a monitor on the river riversides watching for potential air bubbles or cloudation during the drilling process there the air bubbles would be from the pressure fight drilling action going underneath the riverbed and the clouds would be caused by an intersection of the pipeline drilling with an aquifer that feeds into that river their safety proposal was to have monitors on each side of the lake watching for coloration or bubbles and someone had dare ask but how do you do that when ice is on the river and so enbridge had to ask for a variance and they were denied that because they says how are you gonna according to your safety plan here's what it is but you're not gonna be able to do that until ice is out so until the ice is out there's no uh drilling going to take place on the pads even though they're still continuing to construct them they've turned around and focus focused on laying as much pipe as they can so that was a short tirade begut paul i just wanted to say hi i met you several times during 2013 i was up in the pinocchio hills over the fight um i'm not sure that's completely done and over with either but anyway i just want to thank you for all the hard work you're doing regarding mother earth nobody knows better than native americans about the earth we white people don't know anything well i i think you know something and i think that if you reach down into your uh your indigenous pagan roots from europe you might feel a little bit as well maybe that's why you're here okay well i mean i've had some some of my relatives are native americans too so we we appreciate the fact that everyone's here there's lots of people who understand this argument about clean water as there's less clean water everywhere on the earth and as we face this uh cascading crisis is more and more people are online and as leduc said this is an industry that's an old industry it's a failing industry it's a infrastructure that's crumbling it's not just line three or line four which now needs to be replaced on the fond du lac reservation because it's popped out of its uh wetlands you can actually walk on it it's not line five which is causing problems at the mackinac straits or the bad river reservation it's not in line 6a which is as integrity digs on the locutary reservation it's not line 7 which blew up in michigan it's the entire aging infrastructure they're driving around you know a 1950 model car that's been painted up and cleaned up but the internal structure of the whole thing is uh falling apart and decaying and that's why uh you know as leduke said there hasn't been a spill on line three even though there's been spill on some of the other lines it's the reason leech lake absolutely refused to have any more pipelines go through the reservation the number of spills that their community has had to deal with and so again when you look at the aging structure and then you look at the impact of the fossil fuel industry you conclude that we need to do something different and this is the line drawn in the sand i wanted to ask a question um folks may hopefully folks know that we have line 61 here running right right nearby and they're talking about they were talking about building an additional line paralleling that and they recently expanded the flow of that dramatically can you elaborate more on how this might line three was likely to impact wisconsin well the number one it's the the impact of of line three not being rebuilt and and uh forcing itself to be decommissioned at some particular point is that it's everyone else is down pipe it it means that there's less of a reliance on line five it means there are less of a reliance on the need to put a new line in even though i saw some major discussion the other day that said there was issues over uh taking that easement from 80 feet to 120 there were so many property owners that refused to consent to it that uh while enbridge has been doing that a little bit at a time that it didn't seem to be a major uh a major structural project but enbridge tends to be several years ahead of everybody in regards to what's going on what what i do know is is that uh it might be line 13 i have to look at my grid line 13 runs duelent north and that enbridge had requested federal commission to reverse that line it's a smaller line that runs the dilutant that goes into the tumus whatever tar sands peanut butter thick stuff to thin it out which makes it so dangerous to transport uh in pipes or trucks by rail uh was in order to thin it through and you're correct in saying that the line 61 was highly pressurized so they could get more oil through that but i did read that line 61 is currently running at only its 75 capacity and so that it's possible that they could reroute that oil um again i have a request in and for some pipeline engineering questions but you you have to realize that in these pipes there are numerous different types of oil and chemical flows through them they're not blended so you can't take tar sands and blend it into a medium crude and flow it through there but but they end up putting plugs in them and some kind of a cleansing system and plugs that go through and so they batch oil of different kinds so you might have medium crude flowing through in the morning you might have heavy crude in the afternoon and those kinds of or in fact there are flows through the of certain chemicals through those pipelines that you'll never hear about because of security issues and and bridge can report them to the federal government but you'll never see the information in public so we know that there's different configurations of oil oil flows we know they can flow in different directions the northern pipeline that's been requested by inbridge to be turned around could be used to flow some of that down enbridge is facing the potential shutdown of line five that means that the twin to 61 which is 66 might be revived but it right at the moment it seems to me to be more like three to four or five years away just from knowing how the pipeline permitting process takes place and so the impact of shutting down line three means the people who are concerned about line twinline 66 ought to be less the people that are fighting line five should be supporting because everybody else is down pipe and the shutdown of those particular products are tar sand products that is the primary goal of the shutting down of line three is to prevent that tar sands oil from coming down from a foreign country through the united states and if that happens then we can focus on maybe the next worst type of oil production and that's fracking but right and it's not like shutting down tar sands is going to prevent anyone from frying their eggs and going hungry uh the upper peninsula has only been served by enbridge for about 10 years in terms of propane fuel otherwise it was brought in by other ways yeah i just wanted to add that um what we learned those of us who have been keeping an eye on this issue is there's a the pipe is crossing um the rock river around fort atkinson and if where that were to go into the rock river uh goodbye janesville i mean it would be devastation so you know something to keep in mind so this whole issue isn't some issue far away it's an issue that directly impacts us i just want to i would like to add that the embrace says they have this safety system it's called the pig it's a pig system now with this pig system they send a camera down through the pipeline to uh see if there's any anomalies i said okay great how often are you guys going to run this uh pig system are you guys going to do it once a week no no no no we are going to do that once a month no no no no we can't do that how often are you going to run this big safety system once a year to check for any anomalies or anything like that that's what they told me outrageous yeah it is outrageous you know and i think uh enbridge has this uh history of of ex of this kind of an experience you know when uh the local fire chief at the lacutery reservation inquired of enbridge and says what happens if there's an emergency or a leak on the reservation or a fire or anything like that what should we do and enbridge folks basically said just wait for us to arrive we're only about an hour and a half to two hours away in superior wisconsin with the emergency equipment you'll need to fight that fire or that spill um the other thing is is that a majority of the spills that are found have been found by human beings walking in the woods in the line over the years on the bad river reservation a hunter walking on denemy creek discovered that uh the pipeline had allowed enemy creek to create a new waterway by diverting itself on that pipeline uh easement that had been disturbed and it created a whole new uh a whole new uh structure to deny me creek and it diverted it around and when this uh this hunter came upon the pipeline it was uh hanging along the edge of the easement in the air for about a hundred feet and uh so that guy came out of the woods and told someone at bad river and they called enbridge and enbridge checked it out and said sure sure is it sure is darn washed out and hanging so majority of the spills are are pretty much found by people in the woods and as tanya had said earlier there are there's never 100 pressure in the pipeline according to the pipeline industry it's always less than 100 which means a line is always leaking to some extent even if it's a tiny pin leak or loss thanks um i i wouldn't point out we don't have too much time left um and i know that this is the 100 if you're maybe that's not the best expression but the important question i think for a lot of us who want to help out is kind of what we can do now i know there you know we could contact our elected officials certainly one of them i was curious how tammy baldwin i think we can all agree that ron johnson's a lost cause i mean it might you could still contact him uh how's tammy baldwin on the issue does anyone know no i i don't know what uh her position is but i would encourage people to uh send letters to the governor evers uh he's got this whole global climate warming initiative that's going on they've held hearings and everything make sure that letters go go to him and that committee contacting the minnesota governor waltz at this particular time to put pressure on him to move in some way uh complimenting the governor of michigan for ordering line five to shut down um there's a huge divestment there's a loan actually coming up that enbridge is has a 2.2 billion loan from all the banks that we typically uh know citgo and wells fargo that's being renewed on march 22nd i believe and so there's an effort by 350.org and some of the other organizations to begin uh going to stockholder meetings and impacting stockholders and and and talking to the banks and and encouraging them to do what many many other banks there are banks that have pulled billions of dollars of investment equity out of fossil fuel projects and said they're not going to fund anymore the rockefeller family says they're not going to fund anymore uh there are car automobile makers who say they're not going to make gas cars anymore it's enbridge and some of these other organizations that uh that continue to think that the fossil fuel industry is something that they ought to look at uh i i see that uh sinead just put up a link uh in regards to that de-investment campaign uh and then i always say that people need to do what they do best i mean if you're a photographer and and can feel safe the camps are coded safe we've really worked hard to make sure that uh all the camps are abided by in terms of uh protocol and and uh we're recording people that are getting their tests and so forth making sure um there's lots of winter activities in northern minnesota there's lots of ski and it's if you like cold go there snow shoeing there's winter sports and there is lodging in the big cities over a lot of the lodging for the small cities is taken by contractors there's plenty around the areas that you can go to go you know go check that it out i mean you can follow that pipeline along highway 2 for quite a ways and see the destructive nature of it and and find it to find the path as it goes along uh see for yourself make connections with your church groups if you're uh you know i was up there there was a bunch of singing grannies that were up there from a church group there's been quakers from pennsylvania that have showed up there and basically what they did is connected with the local groups and their local churches to see who's hosting uh people so they can stay safe and find places like multiple lodging places that hold uh five to a dozen people that as they travel in caravans um see what's going on but enjoy northern minnesota and stay safe but go there if you're a photographer go there if you're a cross-country skier and as we as things open up we encourage you to get up there uh you know if you're a cook send good recipes to the water protectors locations so they can alternate their recipes um i've always said that what people can do best is what they already do just do it better and do it in conjunction with opposition if you write letters if you write poetry if you draw if you you know take take photos get up there and take photos of the destructions or at least getting photos for historical it may not be as exciting but i imagine they take money too right um well absolutely yeah and all of the you know stop line three dot org has modules are the earth has modules uh there are legal fees in regards to the court cases that are going on that are horrendous costs uh i don't know if people can offer legal legalese uh advice uh but yes money is probably the best thing you can do because it's like having a fire and sending a request out to replace your mattress and the next day you have four of them in your yard when you only need one um there's plenty of food uh right at the moment in a lot of ways but i would check with uh to 350.org and some of these other organizations to see what they need uh yurts and and uh heating supplies and some clothing were in demand at a point there but you know all the food that was coming up there uh there wasn't enough room to store a lot of it uh in in some of the facilities that are at the camp and so it's ends up freezing and those kinds of things that's great um any more questions or comments comment comment um if anyone has any empty trailers empty trailers that we can convert into tiny houses that would be great we've been looking for trailers to be able to make tiny houses uh that we can use on the um on the front lines over here at the different camps and once uh once this is all said and done for her we can uh donate them to homeless shelters or homeless areas right and and if you contact people in front of going up there and have a chance um there's a lot of curriculum uh kind of uh things going on uh in in the camp because we are non-profits and so there's you know we're talking about doing archaeological work we're talking about tapping trees we're talking about drone flying we're talking about archaeological study stuff hich we could use some help on we just think the enbridge one was insufficient and there's things that we can share to people so first of all you know there is a sign up sheet a resource sheet at thatstopline3.org site where you can contact people and say here's what we have and if something is needed there will be people who pay attention and get back to you and say yes we could use this um or no we can't use that right at the moment kind of a thing so make sure you know what you're doing is self-sufficient b you know earlier in the year we had a bunch of people from the cities show up on a day they left when it was 34 degrees and it was 2 degrees or something are you know 18 degrees in northern minnesota and they weren't dressed properly safety self-sufficiency is so important so that you don't end up uh taking resources that aren't needed you know and if you're going to go up there and get arrested let your mom know kind of a thing so that you can contact we're wisconsinites we can have one a lot of people have been coming from wisconsin and if you email you know if you go to that welcome water protectors website that i put in there there's an email welcomewater protectors gmail.com and you can email that if you if you're thinking about coming share a little bit of your plans about when you're when you're planning to come and we can try to help as much as possible but being self-sufficient eases the burden um but you know one of the reasons to be here is that i think it's one thing to watch you know from your facebook feed or to watch the live streams but to be here and be present and be in proximity to that destruction and really see it and understand it from the point of view of being on the ground and then also to be in these camps is to be in a space of healing and a space of real care and community building and we want people to witness that too to understand that that's what we're doing here and then you can go and tell about that in all the ways that you do in your own communities and that helps to build the movement so if you can get here we would love to see you here thanks guys i i don't know how many of us uh especially if us gray heads uh have the energy to head up there but we're definitely with you in spirit and uh we support the cause and and we're going to do what we can to try to help you out so we much appreciate you coming here um charles i i can tell you that there was a according to winona leduc's narrative there was a whole caravan of gray-haired ladies driving priuses up there when the gray hair is not out [Laughter] i hear you okay well i any final comments from those who haven't spoken i don't want to take too much longer but if someone wants to chime in now now is your opportunity [Music] chuck joe joe hey joe oh yeah i got one it's uh goes back to uh what's the name when she's talking about the pig going through the pipeline once a year i'm gonna go back a little bit these uh old pipelines anybody know what the engineering specs are the pressure ratings so let's say way back they had the old pipeline designed and they're gonna pump through x amount of oil at such and such pressure though the welding in the early early times is much different welding today the techniques so how much overpressure do these pipelines take what is their design what's their ceiling uh everything i'm not sure we have time for that short answer it's an engineering question but i can tell you that there are pipeline uh outfitters who've worked on these pipes who are horrified at the whole idea there was no epa when these lines were put in and you're right about welding you're right about insulative factors and all that but that's why uh on the locuttery reservation they've had three or four different integrity digs on those lines coming through because almost all the integrity digs have been in wetlands and it's because there's an outer coating that has come loose on those seals and that's where they're seeing most of their deterioration along those welds so you're correct in asking questions about it but it's a big engineering question about pressure and and what kind of pipes are my worry is how many wild rice areas were destroyed i've been up in northern minnesota in previous jobs in those rice fields oh man they're just something and that wild rice up there oh the menus oh man fantastic it's well it's it's a livelihood it's an economic livelihood for many ojibwe people and it's a food sustenance it's a staple i eat wild rice a couple times a week uh in in my meal or for breakfast or with my chicken soup or whatever it might be it's the main staple rather than uh macaroni kind of stuff so um i don't know if tanya had any figures on that she noted how many lakes had been already destroyed but it's the greatest fear of the bad river when it comes to line five that that line will destroy thirty to forty thousand pounds of wild rice on the hogan's sloughs alone if there should be a leak into the bad river and into lake superior uh but you know you go to northern minnesota and you're right uh the wild rice uh refuge and some of these other lakes are tremendous producers of wild rice and food for the area and and this is why the abid family uh out of sandy lake in that whole area who rice numerous lakes in that area and it's not just rice it's it's it's medicines it's uh pharmaceutical stuff out of the woods it's uh it's products that are used in household products it's a it's some of the 4 000 species that were named in the the wisconsin ojibwe voigt case when when the ojibwe are asked to name the plants they used in the woods they came back with a list of 4 000 in the dnr and state negotiator says why it's almost every single plant that grows in northern wisconsin and they says yeah that's that's right it's our pharmacy it's our lumber yard it's our grocery store it's our part of our life and that's why you see indigenous people fighting so hard to try to preserve what's left of that life yeah very complex because it's a whole economy it's a whole different economy and it's it's a very valuable economy okay folks well i think that's actually a really good place to end something to think about leave us to think about and so once more i really want to thank our speakers for for educating us and informing us and inspiring us so thanks guys and uh i'm going to end the meeting now thank you so much thank you thank you thank you take care everyone have a good night bye bye y'all