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today's guest is the much acclaimed computer scientist and mathematician Donald K now I don't even know where to start with a short biography of him widely regarded as the Godfather of computer science his multivolume tone the art of computer programming well is kind of a big deal he's one more prestigious Awards than I've even heard of but for many his greatest blessing to the world is devising the omnipresent Tech typ setting format which has transformed the way mathematics is communicated we'll talk about all that and plenty more in today's episode but as is often the case I found myself starting with the issue of name pronunciation my name your surname that that K looks like it should be silent well uh I have some second cousins who who go by new uh but but I fig you got only five letters in the name you might as well use them all also people say k I'm sorry to say you know they have dyslexia um and and maybe in that case it would have been better if it if it was a silent k I don't