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painless I think is the best way to describe it yes what's easier not more complicated and unconferences and I love the fact that I call for proposals at agile testing days is really well organized one of the things that I found really really good this year is the feedback that you get from each proposal Venter submits because it's not just about yes or no it's more richer than that they will tell you what was missing and that's that's that makes a whole difference for someone who is trying to speak at events because sometimes I get refusals I don't know if they hated it or if they really liked it but simply couldn't put it in the program and with the call for proposals for HR testing days you know exactly because they will tell you this was a very very nice topic but unfortunately we didn't have space for it maybe next year you should reapply so [Music]