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hello everybody and welcome to another episode of resiliency radio your go-to podcast for the most Cutting Edge insights in integrative and functional medicine I'm your host Dr Jill and with each episode we Dive Into the Heart of healing and personal transformation join us as we connect with renowned experts thought leaders and innovators who are at the Forefront of medical research and practice empowering you with knowledge and inspiration and aiding you on your journey just a quick note if you have not seen the documentary yet um don't La check it outpatient mov.com prepare to be inspired and impacted and just transformed and if it impacts you and there's someone in your life especially maybe a doctor or a medical student or just someone you love that's suffering um there's a way to to gift and share that as well so go head head on over to drpa mov.com and check it out okay so today's guest I am so excited to introduced and we were just saying before we got recording here that we could talk for hours um Dr Dr Michelle perro is a veteran Clinic uh has a veteran Clinic with over four Decades of experience in Pediatrics treating children and their families her career began as a pediatric emergency medicine physician winding its way into integrative medicine and environmental health so we have a lot of the same passions over the past 25 years she's been director of pediatric Emergency Department in New York City and spent over a decade at UCSF uh benof Oakland children's hospital um she has been been a tireless Advocate regarding the role of GM genetically modified foods and their Associated pesticides focusing on Children's Health So today we're going to dive in if you have a child you have a grandchild you have anyone in your life that could be impacted by this we are going to not only give you the statistics and information about what's happening but we're going to actually give you Solutions that's what I love about Dr Perell um she is also produced the first children's environmental health Bill of Rights we'll talk about that today and she co-authored the highly acclaimed book what's making our children sick she's CEO co-founder of the website wwwgm science.org so check that out we'll be sure and uh link that in the notes to the podcast um Michelle Dr Perell welcome to the show Jill it's a delight I follow your work and uh love what you do so thank you for having me you're so welcome so as I always start the podcast we kind of want to know uh where you started uh where you grew up and kind of how you got into medicine and Pediatrics and emergency Pediatrics of all things in the beginning and then take us on the Journey of how you got into the work you're doing now so this is a story that maybe some folks don't know about me but my original love was theater I was a child actress and I went to oh my gosh I went to a theater high school the high school of the Performing Arts in New York City and but what happened was I was hospitalized for something when I was 12 and some candy stripers came by with their little pink and white uniforms and I just had to have that uniform I was 12 years old I was very into uniforms I guess at that age so got the uniform became a candy striper and I started falling in love with hospitals at that time Jill they let us go into Central Supply I was you bringing the candy card around I was folding sheets I was in the O I mean it amazing where this small little Hospital L us doew at that age I was 12 years old so then what happened I did some shows for children on Wards at Belleview Hospital hospital where I later did my residency and something called project sunshine and we acted for the children on the wards and I was hooked wow and I transitioned into medicine that's how that happened so I was going into OBGYN that was my I was going to help women I was all about women's health and I knew I wanted to be an OBGYN and um and then what happened I do my rotations this was at Mount Si in New York and I'm going to be fully honest here because I I'm a New Yorker transparency is my middle name I didn't find the OBGYN doctors to be very nice so I was like I have to work with these people who aren't very nice for the rest of my life and my last rotation was Pediatrics and I never even thought of working with children even though I had experience working with kids and I did my pediatric rotation and I fell in love I fell in love with the kids the program my residence the and before you knew it I switched to Peds another pivot and then the same thing happened with p's emergency medicine I fell in love I did you know I was working worked at Metropolitan Hospital in New York City went down to their ER and created their first pediatric emergency room and then I created one of the first life support courses for kids in New York I became thoroughly obsessed with it for the first part of my career wow I love that because you know what I really feel like the creative side that you brought from your history with theater and all of that actually is one of the most profound um qualities of a great physician right because that creativity and curiosity is what leads us to ask the questions like why what is going on from The observed things so you get into Pediatrics you're in your emergency room which is probably the most traumatic difficult place to see kids in crisis and in trauma and everything how did you start to to see or say or what question um happened for you where you said what else is going on with our kids right well again Serendipity was on my back door my I had my own son 31 years ago and he had some health challenges which only a pediatrician's kid would ever have and I had a Serendip encounter with an MD homeopath Dr Ken who's still practicing and she told me to give my son a remedy a homeopathic remedy and he was a baby and I didn't never heard of the word I didn't know what she was talking about it was all in Latin I was so out of my element and I gave my son these little sugar pills I'm like oh my God I'm going to kill my son and he got better in five minutes and so happened again illness again and and my son's given me permission to talk about this by the way it was recurrent coup severe life-threatening coup where kids can't breathe because they have constriction here at the airway so so again it happens he had recurrent coup little sugar pills five minutes and I was filled with a mixture of anger and awe the anger stem for the fact that there could be this system which had been around for hundreds of years kind of by the flexon report in Rockefeller in 1910 but that would be a side conversation and it was affordable tasty my son loved the little sugar pills and effective so at night my kids were little I was in the ER I started I started going back and studying at night on a school in London online and this was just when online was starting this is 1994 so kind of just at the beginning of online school and I got I received my diploma in Homeopathy I became a trained homeopath and by the 1999 a few things happened where I knew the universe was telling me again to Pivot it was hard to leave Pete's ER career because I loved it but my time was done and I literally pivoted into Integrative Health wow what a story and isn't it interesting because of course I have the same training as you and um what I've seen in myself yourself and so many of our colleagues is when the crisis comes with a child or a parent or a loved one or themselves or ourselves and we say oh conventional medicine isn't cutting it in this situation what else is out there and then we start to see how why why is that we weren't taught about that like it's interesting because that same process I went through too like it's amazing and usually it's a crisis of our own health or someone we love that allows us to question the system and there's some wonderful things in conventional medicine I know you and I both still use so much of the stuff we learned but our toolboxes are now larger which is so exciting so then you became homeopathic integrated physician Pediatrics how exciting and um when was that and then how did the first few years go what did you learn what did you see with the kids that you were treating so it was a it was shocking because I literally had to train myself to become a HomePath naturopathic doctor and and this was sort of out there and I got so much derent from my colleagues regarding Homeopathy and Integrative Health there was really very little support my husband fortunately was very supportive of at the time and I was getting successes so I started my own little practice here in my hometown but then what happened was one of the moms in the practice said you have to help us stop the spray of this pesticide it was an insecticide against a light brown Apple moth that was going to decimate the Apple crops of Northern California and and I said oh ho whoa ho I have no time two small kids busy practice I was doing my own practice pulling weeds doing the book seeing patients I think I lost my mind and so I said sure I'll do it and I just thought I said I really need to see somebody here because I can't I can't believe that I can't say no I just keep saying yes got involved with these gals we stopped the spray only one County got sprayed out of the entire coast of Northern California The Moth thing turned into a bust it never manifested and the county that got spread was Monterey County and people reported being sick from the aerial spring and these one of the moms said Michelle what do you think about this book by Jeffrey Smith seeds of deception yes remember that well and I said um GMOs I she said read the book and so when moms talk to me I listen and so oh gosh I read the book and then my whole world flipped because I knew at that time I I was doing still I was doing integrated virgin care in my clinic for kids and I was seeing kids with chronic gut and autism uh ticking up and I thought hey hey guys anybody else seeing this it was around 2000 and I thought oh wait a minute what am I seeing autism was one in 10,000 when I was in training and all of a sudden I had like a bunch of autistic kids in my clinic and so putting it all together I looked at the effects of GMOs and their Associated herbicides glyphosate based herbicides main ingredient round up and now we have data showing how glyphosate causes autism several papers fast forward 20 years later and then again yet another pivot into food is medicine regenerative agriculture which is what we call it now we didn't call it then uh we called it just Organics and I really just kind of pivoted again to include this um nutrition and I had to go back and learn nutrition I was woefully unprepared wow so I remember when we first met and it was around this issue with our colleague Cheryl gray who put in a conference here in Colorado with um gosh I'm trying to think of the names of all the amazing Jeff was there um with G was on GMOs and it was really the first of its kind and it brought together phds in the soil Sciences you were there I were there speaking I'm guessing it was about a decade ago maybe 2014 or 13 somewhere in that range maybe 12 even and I remember meeting you and being just so connected because we on the same page because I grew up on a farm in Central Illinois of course glyphosate was a big deal and as you and I started looking into I want you to tell us about what it does to the gut and how it's affecting these kids like what is the kids and adults but I remember that so well because we were really on The Cutting Edge thanks to Cheryl gray and the EHS conference and everything else and then really starting to talk about this because no one at that time was really bringing to light it was like oh that's harmless I mean you remember the Monsanto people at that time which was the owner originally before Bayer bought it out and they like oh I could drink this right and there was this really gaslighting about the safety that was not true so tell us that let's dive into glyph in the microbiome and what you saw because you became an expert on this topic I did I became an I can't believe I became an expert because I'm from Manhattan Jill I grew up on a farm because I read your wonderful book so I knew your history and I grew up in a concrete jungle you know apartment buildings I never thought I would be talking about organic Agriculture and you know how to do cover cropping I said boy what a what a concept anyway so where're glyphosate is just one nasty Urban side it's been around since 1950 but I'll just share a couple of the highlights of what it does because the last talk I did which was just recently in Canada I counted 23 toxic effects of glyphosate based herbicides and there are over 800 Global preparations now of this herbicide and remember Jill the only reason why we spray glyphosate is so then we put it on a GMO crop like corn soy canola alphalpha the crop doesn't uh die uh die when you spray the herbicide it's the only reason why we're spraying these glyphosate based herbicides is to kill the weeds and most of the Weeds now in the US 75% are resistant as a matter of fact Monsanto be now bear just released a brand new nonong glyphosate herbicide 45 times more toxic than glyphosate so the idea was not to remove glyphosate and replace it with more toxic um herbicides and more complicated genetically engineered crops but I digress so the main toxicity for glyphosate is several fold one it's an antibiotic and we know that from Monsanto they created the patent in 2003 and then 2010 and it was an amazing antibiotic it killed off all the beneficial bugs too by the way strap and saff but it propagated the growth of salmonella and clustal species yes what we see in kids on the Spectrum are loaded with Chia not all clri is bad but you don't want to be loaded with it so that was one thing um so it's wiping out the microbiome on every daily dose and you and I both know that the microbiome drives good health and we can get into that the other I'll just do three main things two it's a it's a keater and keator simply means it grabs minerals toxic minerals and it grabs aluminum but it also grabs magnesium calcium copper um uh manganese all those metals that you need to run brain function so kids can't think they have like like we have we our kids are in a sea of ADHD of intivity and lastly but not least it's it's CA it's it it was shown in animals but not in humans to be a carcinogen and that was based on the 2015 World Health um decision by aarch the international um Association of research on cancer I think that's right IR in 2015 published their um a classic paper how glyphosate is a class 2A carcinogen no doubt in my mind and then there's a million other things it does as well including impairs your ability to detoxify so no microbiome no detoxification our children are sunk yeah gosh thanks for framing that because people don't realize they can go to the local Home Depot or Lowe's or wherever they get there and it's there and I always like try to avoid those I mean it's unbelievable and I actually love that you mentioned just just literally this last week I I saw the feed on the new product and the toxicity is just so scary so this new version without glyphosate is even worse it's so so sad so interesting little story of my own is around the time you and I spoke at least a decade ago I had I think nowadays we can get urine test for glyphosate and there's a couple companies that do that back then it was almost all experimental but I did an experimental test you might have heard me talk about this before now I had that time had been completely organic after my breast cancer so like my diet was 100% and everything that I did my life was to prevent toxicity right when I got that result and again it was an experimental company that was showing um your rates of urine glyphosate relative to Farmers on application day that was the data they had I was three times the limits of Farmers on the day of application and I remember literally like falling off my stool with shock because here I had been living as clean as I could possibly live and realizing how pervasive this is maybe talk just a little bit about the pervasiveness I ended up going saying why and I thought well I have dogs I have a lawn that's condo owned and sprayed by the HSA so I'm like I bet the dogs sleep in my bed and on their feet is you know I don't know for sure but that was my suspicion um talk about this pervasiveness now in our environment of glyphosate thank you for sharing that story because those of us who lead a very organic life are rather surprised and we still have glyphosate number one is that organic crops are cross-contaminated 5 to 9% at least ing to the USDA so we know that that exists because it's not that there's an organic field right next to a sprayed field the birds the winds these crops are cross-contaminating that's one and I'm sure it's even higher than 9% now that D is a couple years old two it's in the air it's aerosolize a lot of from the spraying it's in our water so when we irrigate crops we're not using filtered water so it seeps underground and depending on the pH of the soil it can U last in soil for the one paper I saw was 22 years it's supposed to be broken down and it's not often broken down depending on the pH okay um and you're absolutely right our animals bring it in on their little paws sleep on our beds lick their paws we kiss them it's on our animals because they spray meridians they spray parks they spray condos I was involved with a lawsuit case of a young kid who got sprayed and developed ulcer colitis because they were spraying outside his window yes um that was and and he won that case he won that case so anyway um awful uh it's there is in the spray um and uh where else we get glyphosate um those are the main ways so air water um our Animal Companions and uh Organics that are contaminated in the midwest 90% of the women are positive for glyphosate oh no surprise again again that's where I grew up and I guess mine was actually probably from Decades of exposure so because I gr up on the farm talk just a little for that Mom out there who's like okay how do I avoid this with my kids what are the best um lifestyle tips with food to actually try to avoid exposure and then we'll talk about how to detox glyphosate yes so of course I speak now about organic regenerative food and I and I tell parents oh God gosh I'm so sorry it's like you need a PhD to go food shopping I asked people to stay away from processed foods processed foods are major sources of glyphosate based herbicide the average food has at least six pesticides at least six not to mention all the other toxicants in those ultr processed foods that's one buy organic buy your local farmer um get to know your Farmer at the farmer's market it's a CSA um whatever you can do to get in community of course if you can grow your own even if you just grow your own herbs it will still be better and where you get your soil if you're getting your soil and or your compost from your local community they may not be doing organic you have to be really Mindful and ask a lot of questions make sure you're using a water filter that filters out glyphosate whether it's a carbon based filter a home system like reverse osmosis a berky filter there are many times and we could talk about where to get those so you have to be on super Vigilant and I couldn't say this enough Whole Foods folks have to get back in the kitchen and I'm not asking people to become Alice Waters here and I'm not asking for women to go back to the 1950s mom you know with an apron and Donna Reed I'm not I'm not saying that get the kids in the kitchen dad mom who whatever parent is in the kitchen Grandma everyone in the kitchen prepping food and keep it simple fresh food whole food as best you can now I like to rinse those Foods off with either filtered water or use some kind of vegetable spray and in my next book coming out I have all the formulas how you can make your own veggie wash to get rid of glyphosate now I'll say two things about that there are things that will break down glyphosate and one of them is Apple CID of vinegar it has a microb in there called a caor and there are microbes we we use them in phyto remediation and bio remediation to get rid of um various herbicides so aceto back and there are others will break down glyphosate because they take the phosphorus and the nitrogen out of this en phosphono methyl Glycine and they use it so a little apple CID of vinegar in the salad dressing or drink it in a bit of water because it will take the enamel off your teeth and not the gummies folks not the apple cider gummies they taste good but there's really not enough apple cider vinegar and a Ceda Bor in there that's one way to detox it stick to organic regenerative food that water filter we talked about look out for your an Animal Companions where they're walking take your shoes off at the door cuz shoes are in dust house dust is one of the most toxic things in people's homes and and be that mom or dad for the soccer games the sleepovers the the graduation parties that brings healthy snacks and I've I can't tell you how many conferences or sleepovers or whatever my kids were were into and parents would buy those colored dye cupcakes and I would bring orange slices as a matter of fact when my daughter graduated high school a bunch of moms brought cookies with all the different color you know frosting like I had organic Strawberries dipped in an organic dark chocolate that I froze a big tray of those and that was the first thing to go the kids all at so it's not difficult but we have to retrain ourselves to live in an organic lifestyle and there is a re-education process here and I'm not saying it's easy we don't look for Perfection and we get everyone in the family involved my husband used to hide the junk food in the closet his bedroom closet my kids sour sit out by the time they were two they were like these little sleuths that know where daddy hid like the cupcakes and all that I'm like it was like familial sabotage in my own house so I'm not okay some I too had some challenges with my own kids and trying to do stuff and if parents could go look in their cupboards if they could dump one thing it's get rid of those cereals oh yeah no no car what's this Carby cereal for breakfast give your children last night's dinner for breakfast gosh and I've seen the studies on uh cold cereals um and also even oatmeal conventional oatmeal very very high levels of glyphosate Quaker Oats is off the charts I just did us talk about that on Quaker Oats is is awful and remember that glyphosate is also used as a crop desicant so they spray it right at Harvest so those crops like wheat oats and legumes bad for vegetarians have super high levels of glyphosate and moms Across America just did a study and this one type of pasta bonsa pasta had like 2300 parts per billion the highest I've ever seen of this lab has ever seen for glyphosate and like a serving of pasta and um Michael Antonio a geneticist from the UK showed that as low as 0.1 parts per billion of glyphosate caused now correlated with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease also known as metabolic associat liver disease and which is now affecting one in three Americans as well as children one in four obes children now has a fatty liver which it can progress to more serious things as if fatty liver is not bad enough so we've got a problem and parents are in control oh I love that empowering advice um it's so interesting because um the other thing I want to ask you about is children's formula baby formulas formulas right let's talk about that because I think a lot of moms don't know the what to do about that and it's because of the surface of a small baby it's actually much more toxic for them to get talk a little about baby formulas what to do and how they might be contaminated if you the wrong ones this is the one that gives me like you know like gut pain when I talk about infant baby formula because you know the uh the new MDS and GMOs science we did a study in may we published it and we looked at 40 infant formulas for toxic metals and it's a long story how we got into it but I I just knew because of the high fructose corn syrup which is the first ingredient in many baby formulas I was looking for mercury based on the work of a scientist named Dr Renee Joy defo long story short we tested for aluminum arsenic cadmium lead and Mercury five toxic metals and what we found is uh 20 formulas two of each from different samples 100% positive for aluminum 4,000 to 40,000 times higher than the other metals in the parts per million range and all 100% positive for lead there is no safe level of lead for babies so infant form even organic wow I was shocked even organic so organic formulas were not um you know free of the toxic Metals so this was a shock to me I was really floor because I didn't expect them all to test so badly and we tested local foreign goat cow process formulas they're called Elemental formulas for babies with digestive issues I was surprised I was so surprised so that was a problem so that's how I started studying bio remediation I learned about it because of how do we get the metals out of the infant formula and only organic Dairy should be used to make baby formula it's an ultra processed foods so I have received so many emails now from Mom saying what formula do I use and I'm like I don't like any of them I I cannot give of a product with known lead to a newborn and of course breast is best but clearly some moms cannot nurse and so there's no breast shaming here I encourage breastfeeding as long as many as moms can for those that can't my own kids at formula did have formula you know not ideally I breastfed as long as I could so I have pulled out my um uh Weston a price books on nourishing traditions and relooked at something learned a long time ago is how to make baby formula good for you and I think parents have to make their own I found a brand that looked better than most I think it was called iHeart or something like that I did and we didn't test that one and but I wasn't in love with any brand and maybe some of your listeners may have some recommendations so ones we tested and there are four major producers of of baby formula Abbott me Johnson hergo and Gerber Nestle and if it's almost like an oligarchy it's not almost like it is an oligarchy and when one of them goes down the formula uh Supply goes way down but that aside I am asking people to make their own and whether we should bring back things like wet nurses yeah yeah gosh you're right because this is where we come up against like some of these Solutions are not easy but it's so critical because so I want to talk about biom remediation because that is just so close to my heart and soils we used to think like autoimmunity and disease begins in the um immune system and the gut and now I would like to say it begins in the soils right because that reflects we can so talk about how the soils reflect our own microbiomes and as we kill off this diversity in the soil we kill off diversity in our microbiome and we're seeing that and things like diabetes heart disease obesity fatty liver are all related to our gut microbiome so it makes perfect sense so let's talk obviously creating the own formula and is is this in your new book as well it will be my new book I have the links and I base it on the work of I didn't create the formula um I don't have the skills to figure out uh what's the best of best ingredients it was based on the work of the home economist her name is Sarah Pope um and there's a great video on the west na price uh website and I put those links in the book and she talks about it takes about 20 minutes and it's I'm not saying it's easy I oh gosh no but if every parent went out there and told their uh you know legislators their represent atives that we need clean baby formula it is happen happening there's a baby food safety act that's right now being introduced I believe I want to say Corey Booker believe that I could be wrong but um is being introduced literally right now as we speak so changes happening we are bringing or organic milk as of yesterday to Children's Schools um and we are changing school lunches which are also a toxic nightmare by the way but let will stick to baby formula for now so change his foot and let let your legislators know that you are not happy that we are not protecting our most vulnerable because babies are born with a physiologic leaky gut and that gut doesn't heal that gut it seals up with colostrum but they could have leaky gut from one to six months so everything they're putting in their gut is crossing right across that leaky gut right into their bloodstream right across the bloodb brain barrier glyphosate can shuttle aluminum six different ways across the bloodb brain barrier there's also glyphosate and baby formula if it's not organic yes that's where I started but I love this information so important gosh with you Michelle there's so many places I want to go so forgive me audience if I'm jumping around because I get so excited to hear more and what we can do so I want to talk detox say kids have been exposed to Metals how do we do that but before we do school lunches I think it's worth just talking a little bit about school lunches and girls got cookies did we say thanks yes so the school lunch so um my my friend and colleague Zen Honeycut from moms Across America God bless her she pioneered the study and and published a I think it was October 2022 and we did go to DC on this one and she looked at 43 school lunches across the US and she evaluated them for um pesticides Metals Pharmaceuticals and nutrients and it was it talk about being thrown out of my chair 100% of them were positive for toxic metals and that's what inspired me to do the infant formula study by the way what the results of the school lunch study 90 over 95% had glyphosate based herbicides I a significant percent I want to say in the 70s had pharmacologic drugs veterinarian drugs like chicken hormones birth control hormones the nutrient levels in the school lunches were abysmal the kids might as well have been eating cardboard there were like no B vitamins at all in these lunches and they're wrapped in plastic they're popped in a micro microwave and all the plastic product get stripped in their chicken nuggets um their and and their food compared to other countries we are probably one of the worst fed school lunches like globally and I just did a talk in Canada that looks a lot like the US and even their lunches were better Brazil a very poor country compared to the US superlative compared to our school lunches so there that is happening now are you US Government just gave a grant to Lunchables craft Lunchables as well as the impossible Burger to provide lunches they're not supposed to do that to provide lunches for some schools across the US big money here impost Burger is a nasty little GMO Burger which I can talk about if you want but so right now with the introduction of this uh school lunch safety act is an opportunity let your legislators know that we have to give our kids the best lunches we can it's a social justice issue because some kids and means are eating anywhere from one to three meals at school that that is their food source and then we want to know why kids have ADHD that they can't learn that their autism spectrum symptoms are out of control um that they have autoimmunity that obesity these kids are hungry all the time because they're not receiving nutrients overfed undernourished yes oh I'm so glad you talked about that because it really is something that we need to be aware of and we need to it's funny because I am so not political but as you in some of these areas of environmental toxic load and all the things that we're seeing we must be Advocates because um there's no other way to change our medicine right this this is how we start being great positions is actually changing the inputs the Clean Air the clean water and the clean food so I could not agree more um let's shift to detox so you have you had a huge autistic population it's only growing because of exposure so that's one area the autoimmune the fatty liver but say you have tested kiddos um what's the most common kind of toxic load do you test it do you just assume toxic load and how do we detox yes so if parents have some fund i' like to i' like to check it's you know because these tests are all out of network for many providers um there are some tests you can get in network for the most part they're out of network so there are different Labs like Mosaic or us biotech or um there's a few vibrant Labs that test for environmental toxicants and so you can do a panel and see which toxicants are in your child you can look for pesticides glyphosate based herbicides and there are other things we can look at as well you can do a hair analysis as well for heavy metals um I like looking at that and there are things we can give kids to help them excrete the heavy metals and even check their urine for um I like to say toxic metals because aluminum by weight is not heavy so it's not a heavy metal but it's a toxic metal so I say toxic Metals so you can even look at their urine but if a parent can't afford it I can get like say a lead level which only looks at what they're exposed to presently it doesn't look at the Historical load because once you take in those Metals those toxic Metals your body tries very hard to deposit them and they go into fatty tissue and into your bone they redistribute so you'll clear them from your blood pretty quickly so blood levels only really show what's happening right now hair is better and hair is actually affordable it's about 129 bucks I think for a hair test so i' like to test assume they're present because I haven't found any children now I have a skewed population could kids coming for help right but um so prevalent um toxic the the toxicity it's just about in all the kids yeah I I've seen that too and of course I see more adults and children but it is just Universal I like to test as well same Labs you mentioned but if I can't test I assume that toxic load is part of the picture so what would you for kiddos what would you do maybe like above eight and Below eight sometimes there's differentials or you pick an age um for the basic safe things and maybe some things maybe without dosing or anything of the kinds of things that um these parents could ask from their functional integrative doctor or things that they could do on their own at home safely so thank you Jill for that because what we're trying to do is Empowering Families to take care of their own and creating resiliency right and people need to know these basic principles we all need to know to detox so we focus on diet I include some herbs like cilantro I am a cilantro fan coriander is the seed cilantro is the leaf grow it I don't do a good job growing it I have to buy it um but do the best you can with cilantro parsley is very nice um you have to be careful with chlorella some kids will take Chlor because you don't want things that are contaminated with Metals so you want a really quality product so that's why I stick to organic cilantro so you do that for your kids now I am a big fan of the detox bath kids love baths and you can put so many good things in the bath to help them detox like Epsom salts um I like real salt sea salt is getting iffy with microplastics salt um non-aluminum containing baking soda and I like a little bit of boron you can either get 20 muam borax that's not been adulterated with dyes or actually get some Boron and you can even get it on Amazon and then there are different doses I'll have it in the book by the way the dosing and you can give your kid a bath keep them there as hot as they can tolerate about 15 minutes and then rinse off don't let them sit in there when the water starts to cool because they'll reabsorb the toxic materials that they excreted and then rinse them off and then if you want them in the bath longer okay then refill the bath rinse out the bath and refill it that's one detox number two is if you real if your kid is toxic I am a fan of binders the most affordable bind bler I know is made from coconut charcoal and buy one that's organic you can get 180 capsules for of organic charcoal on Amazon I'm not trying to promote Amazon here um or where from wherever your from full script or whatever your practitioner uses for about 20 bucks and charcoal will clean your teeth we use it in medicine as you know for people who have overdoses but if there's a toxic exposure whether it's from a toxicant like glyphosate or toxic mold I know it's area of expertise kids tolerate it very well take it away from food and other supplements a half hour before two hours after it's not meant for long term because it binds everything and we just did a show called the new MDS that we run and every family in Mexico I pulled this out has these little carbon tabs and their houses every family in Mexico so they are familiar because they're also good for infectious yeah contamination if you get terorista you you could take some charcoal and that will help with an infectious load also so you so these binders are your friends um other than charcoal some you people use Bight clay uh pectin can be good and even anything with soluble fiber not insoluble fiber I didn't say like Metamucil soluble fiber will also help bind stuff for detoxification now it is key to keep up certain nutrients like magnesium and iron which will help offset those toxic metals like um like Mercury and lead and so kids who are iron deficient have more problems with lead so you want to give them as nutrient dense diet that you can while you're detoxing them with these simple um methods bath charcoal and um kids also detox from their skin they have more skin for surface area especially the little ones as per their weight so sweating exercise running what what a concept rinse off and even kids can do infrared saunas we don't put them in very hot or very long but some kids really like being in the heat not all children so you can start with these lyph SAA sitting there with your kid for a few minutes at the Heat and then rinse off sweat together it's I have a a little inference on upstairs I have my own and uh you know it's just wonderful to kind of and and in some countries the sauna is part of the culture like in Sweden it's just part of the culture so I'm not saying anything so crazy here I love infrared so these are some ideas for parents to start utilizing in their homes I love what you've shared Michelle because every single thing you mentioned is maybe except for having a s in your home but even then sweating exercise is so accessible so easy and I mean kids in bath that's something you're already doing most parents so powerful for me that's one of my go-to every single night even if I'm traveling as long as there's a bathtub I am in an Epona bath it has been such a Game Changer and it's so it's one of those things where sometimes at least my adult patients they can't all tolerate um charcoal sometimes they're constipated they can't all tolerate INF but I would say 99% of them can tolerate Epsom salt baths um so it's a really really nice easy way to and I love your mixture of things that you can add to the bath that's so powerful and all like I said so affordable those the two things where you could really kind of like Riff on the bath because you can put essential oils in there if your child needs some calming and the blender if you can have any a bullet a Vitamix a blender because you can put a lot of different things there because so many kids have um acquired pickiness um especially kids um with various neurologic uh sensitivities so you can add things and and start hiding things till they Acquire The Taste particularly veggies some of these tastes are strong for children so you really want to so Blended drinks with coconut milk and pineapple can hide a lot of the strong flavors gosh that for adults too who can't swallow pills and it's just like that throwing everything in and most of those caps can be opened and or there's powders um do you want to talk just briefly May me think about Glycine and glyphosate because G glycine is especially helpful and can be B you want to talk a little bit about that connection and why glycine may be important in our diets because of that I started with glycine many many decades ago when I first started treating autism because I found it really calmed and inflam brain um was using Glycine and I learned that um from a um a friend who's a toxicologist uh Eric schlasser I believe his name is anyway so I used glycine for a long time glycine is an ubiquitous amino acid it's not essential which means we can make it although there's some debate about that and it is one of the key amino acids and amino acids build proteins um in our collagen so it's part of our muscular skeletal system super important and it what it is one of the main ingredients in bone broth bone broth bone broth more bone broth if you are not a vegetarian or vegan so what is the thing about glycine so I before I kind of slipped out that glyphosate the chemical structure was en phosphonomethyl Glycine and glycine that little amino acid um is the same glycine that we find as the non-essential amino acid that we have let's say in our collagen that calms our brains so my dear friend um Dr seni proposed many years ago like like a long time ago that these two amino acids and some people consider glyphosate and amino acid are swapping and I know this is true I I always expected it to be true because kids when you feel them are doughy like feel your own kid not somebody else's child please and they feel sort of not muscular that and they're tired and there can be other reasons Jill as you and I both know from mitochondrial dysfunction and all sorts of stuff but they just don't feel the same and I think it's so important to examine children to every practitioner so glycine either give bone broth you can also take collagen supplements but honestly making bone broth is one of the best things you you can do I have a recipe in the book coming out the one I use and I I use chicken bones and remember those bones have to be organic because if the animal was not fed organically and a regeneratively raised the animal will have concentrated the toxic Metals in their bones so you're eating a high dose of more toxic Metals so just go to wherever you live ask the butcher for organic bones don't even get the meat y beef ve chicken turkey whatever you use cook it up with your favorite veggies and put that in your child's everything you can freeze them in little metal ice cube trays not plastic and then pop them in rice soup um whatever you're making those are my go-to I personally put some collagen in my coffee every day I take a lot of glycine I'm a big fan and I use a lot of it maybe 5 to 10 grams when I need to calm a a child let's say who's having a flare of autism or pans pandas I'll use just glycine um to kind of calm things down it's really well tolerated and it heals the gut oh love that we talked about this because it is one of my for years probably 20 years ago when I found the glyphosate I've been on it I take it I do the collagen I do the bone bras the one thing I love that you mentioned chicken bones because we do have a lot of patients with histamine intolerance and those marrow bones are a little bit higher histamine so I love that that you mention that specifically because those smaller bones with less marrow are a little bit lower Hine is that correct you're so right and I swear does everybody have mcast now and histamine reaction right and you know I also do live blood analysis and I see a lot of people with um the cells called basophils that release histamine lots of basophils on their live blood analyses like what is what is going on so people are really releasing histaminum and you don't feel well you have histamine release like that exactly gosh I just just uh Sunday I got back from a conference giving a lecture on mass activation and uh tilt toxicant induced loss of Tolerance which is also chemical sensitivity and all these things are massively increasing in incidents so um Dr appell we could like I said in the beginning we could talk so long on this topic it's so fun to talk to you and there's so much alignment first thing is just thank you from the bottom of my heart for the work that you've done the world for I mean truly yes truly truly I am so grateful for your work I'm so grateful for your time here on the podcast and sharing and I love the practicality of what you bring it's so accessible where can people find more about you where can they get the book when is it coming out tell us more about your websites and your book when it's going to be released and the ones that you've already I think you have the one right behind you why what's making our children sick that's been out a While y um so first of all thank you for your kindness I appreciate it and it is my life's uh passion it's not my it's not my career it's my calling and I just love working with families and children and and animals I'm just and plants yeah okay um but also before I begin thank you for your work Jill and not only the work you do but sharing your personal journey to be so vulnerable to that we are experiencing the same thing our patients are experiencing we are not immune from the same toxic exposures and everything else so thank you for your honesty and courage and of course Brilliance um GMOs signs.org is my website and that's my baby I put all the work that I do for better or worse there the book is what's making our children sick behind me and that was published in 2017 so I just read reread part of it and it's still relevant the new book will be out this summer The Working title is making our children well and it's inner Traditions publishing we'll see I am editing it literally as we speak it takes a long time I never thought I'd write a second book and I like oh my God okay there it is I'm writing it I've written it I'm working on it and um Zen Honeycut Stephanie senif and I have a podcast called the new MDS once a month on Facebook Rumble YouTube and we just covered the health manifestations of hurricane Helen today and Stephan today's podcast and Stephanie spoke on how glyphosate can be triggering climate change and storm activation it's her Theory and it was brilliant oh I can't wait will that be live in a few weeks or when will that be live it's it's going to be it's published now on Rumble YouTube and Facebook you're watching this we will link that up in the show notes because I want to share that with everyone I think that's so powerful um well once again thank you thank you if you guys are driving or anywhere you can uh get the show notes for the websites and uh we'll share all of that there thanks again for joining us for another episode um as you know we have a new release every week and if you want transcripts or other details you can always go to Jill caran docomo for coming on the show Jill my pleasure thank you