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e e e e e e and welcome to the Scottdale development review board public meeting the purpose of the development revieww board is to maintain the quality of development in Scottdale by reviewing all of the design aspects of a proposed development and the relationship of its design components to the surrounding environment and Community the board also reviews all preliminary plots for subdivisions to assure conformance to policies and ordinance requirements the agenda consists of the Roll Call public comment on non- agendized items administrative report minutes approval of the prior meeting and action items a roll call vote will be taken after each item's motion the liaison will call each board members name to indicate their desired vote for that item after the vote has been counted the liaison May read out the final vote citizens wishing to speak during public comment time or to speak specifically on any agenda item may fill out a blue request to speak card to the staff table before the agenda item is to be discussed citizens interested in submitting a written comment on any item May submit a yellow written comments card in person to the staff table prior to the beginning of public testimony when called please come to the podium state your name and address and begin speaking groups wishing to speak should elect a spokesperson to represent the views of the group to facilitate the meeting your comment will be limited to three minutes for individual speakers one additional minute for each additional individual present at the meeting who has contributed their time to a represent ative speaker up to a total of 10 minutes I will remind our audience that the board's review relates to design matters and does not include consideration of existing zoning District designations zoning entitlements or the allowed uses within the zoning districts the board's motion may be to approve approve with modified stipulations deny the request or continue the case thank you for your interest in time now we will begin the meeting with the roll call councilwoman caputi here Vice chair brand here commissioner young here board member paser here board member faki board member Mason here board member Robinson here six present thank you thank you um we will start with public comment on non- agendized items and I don't think that we have any so we'll move on to an administrative report by Brad Carr thank you councilman caputi and thanks for joining us uh this is a rotation now for yourself and commissioner young so thank you both for joining us um a couple items on the administrative agenda or administrative items today just wanted to go over we did receive additional correspondence regarding item number three um that did not make it into the staff um report so that should be on the dice in front of you there as well as additional correspondents for item number six um as and New Perspectives that were presented by the applicant uh for that for you to take a look at there those will also be presented um during the presentation but just wanted to have you see those on the on the dis finally um the the agenda does show uh for pres presenter for item number eight as Lisa McNeely but we will have a different staff presenter for that today Mr Tim Connor with the city will be presenting on that today um we are planning to have some additional items for our first meing in January January 9th so hopefully we all see you there I'll be here okay great and that concludes my administrative report thank you thank you Brad uh next we will have approval of the minutes from November 7th 2024 development review board meeting do I have a motion so moved second roll call vote councilwoman kaputi yes Vice chair brand yes commissioner young yes board member paser yes board member Mason yes board member Robinson yes motion passes 60 thank you next we're going to move over to our consent agenda we have three items and the first item number three has some public comment um and I think there's been a request to pull off consent and move to regular agenda just so we can hear some public comment and any questions from our board so I think that it would make sense to just uh start with the speaker on item number three and I believe that's Karen Waters if you want to come up to the do uh Podium please state your name and address enough for me my name is Karen Waters I live at 7301 East Third Avenue which is also called the Third Avenue Lofts read my little statement I did want to express my appreciation to the mayor and the board for your commitment to the care of the city that I have come to love and call home I moved here from the builtmore area because I felt the desire to get away from a lot of the large um highrises in so many parts of Downtown Phoenix and and I really did fall in love with Oldtown and um re and moved here about three years ago I'm vehemently opposed to the ninstory hotel proposal in the heart of Oldtown because I fear it will drastically affect the charm of the area which I have come to love so much please protect the Integrity of the downtown and do not let this hotel come to pass thank you thank you do any members of the board um have questions as well board member Brent yeah I would just because this entire board has not seen the application it's a fairly significant building that's being put into the Oldtown fabric I think it would warrant being brought to the regular agenda so that we can see a staff presentation of the project maybe we can vote on the consent but we can we're already on regular oh did we vote for I don't think we voted for consent yet though we did minutes Brad do we need to V uh vote to bring to regular you don't need a vote to move it to regular councilwoman but um Vice chair's correct we did not vote on the remainder of the consent agenda items yet that is a great Point yeah uh do you want us to vote on the remainder of consent first and then hear this case that'd probably be best yes let's do that then uh I will motion to approve consent agenda items four which is 5dr 2024 and 54d 2024 I'll second that roll call vote councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair brand yes commissioner young yes board member paser yes board member Mason yes board member Robinson yes motion passes 60 thank you and then we'll have a presentation from staff on uh item number three 15D 2018 number two good afternoon councilwoman caputi uh commissioner young and development review board members I'm Brian clef with the city's planning department and I'll give you a brief overview of the case this afternoon for Winfield Hotel and Residences case 15D 2018 number two uh the specific request afternoon is for reapprovals plan landscape plan and building elevations for the development which includes a nine-story hotel with 230 guest rooms and 24 residential condos um this was previously approved back in 2018 uh and that approval has uh since expired which is why we're back uh with the applicant asking for another approval the site that we're looking at here is uh in the Oldtown area right on Scottsdale Road and it is between thir Third Avenue and Fourth Avenue uh highlighted in yellow here a closer look at the site uh shows the frontage on Scottdale Road um and on the uh east side is Windfield Scott Plaza uh this is the corner where the uh se's candy site is located and you can see how the site kind of wraps around that currently uh it's a couple Office Buildings and some surface parking uh with parking canopies the site is Zone Downtown downtown multiple use type two uh it's also in a plan block development in the downtown overlay um some quick background um th this project has been in the works for a while uh going back to 2017 uh originally it did receive city council approval for a rezoning along with an abandonment case for the alley area that goes under the building and a development agreement for the project this was received approval April of 2018 uh subsequently it did receive the development review board approval in December of 2018 um for uh the same project that you're looking at today with some minor uh changes that I'll touch on later in the presentation uh the council did extend the abandonment approval uh in February of 2020 and then subsequently that abandonment did record in February of 2022 so the abandonment has been processed um and then earlier this year we had the start of the current application this is a look at uh the site plan and Landscape plan for the proposed development um the frontage on Scottdale Road on this portion of the site here uh does include new hardscaping and Landscaping along the scota road Street Frontage with a uh pedestrian walkway that's greater than 10 feet in width um the entrance to the building there is for a restaurant that's at the ground floor and then the lobby space for the hotel is over on this end of the site all of the parking for the development is in a below grade parking structure uh with two access points that are off of the alley um The Alley does pass through underneath the building in this area so there's through traffic in the alley and that's where the parking structures accessed uh overall the building is just over 154,000 square fet that includes the 230 hotel rooms and 24 dwelling units uh originally uh the drb approval was for 256 hotel rooms and 16 dwelling units um so some of those areas have shifted in the in the building uh but the design has not changed the overall height of the building is 90 ft uh the restaurant that I mentioned is approximately 5800 Square ft there's also 4,000 ft of conference space um parking in that uh below grade structure includes 254 spaces um and the design of that was approved through a parking master plan uh with the city council approval on the zoning case um there are uh new sidewalks around the development that are all at least 10 feet in width uh along with new Landscaping along the site frontages here's a look at the proposed building elevations um on the top here is the west elevation facing towards SC Still Road the on the bottom is the north you can see uh the 90 foot tall height uh with some step backs on the the southern end and then you can also see on this North elevation how it does step back from Scottsdale Road Scottdale Road would be on this side of the building and then a look at the East Elevation and South elevations uh the materials across the building are majority um Stone cladding uh and metal panels um there's also some ephus that is used um on the building uh in smaller locations and then a couple uh perspectives of what the proposed building would look like on the left is the Scout roadside and on the right is from the Windfield Scott Plaza side um so again I'll end the the staff presentation here with the requested action for uh reapprovals development uh that concludes my presentation I'm happy to answer any questions and the applicant team is also here great are there any questions for staff or do we want to hear from the applicant so just to highlight that um thank you sure um the the changes in the application is the changing in the allocation of hotel hotel Keys versus condominium units otherwise the facade and material pallet has stayed the same that's correct uh Vice chair brand um the only other minor change was a slight reconfiguration of the trash room that's at the uh northeast corner of the building uh and that was more of just an interior reconfiguration to comply with our current standards for trash collection uh but the exterior facade in that area remain mostly the same as well and the application is in compliance with all setback and step back standards that are part of the entitlement and development standards for the property that's correct okay any other questions or comments from board members I'll just make do you want to make a com are you going to make a motion no I would I wouldn't mind hearing a little bit of information about the proposed material pallet from the applicant be great does the applicant want to come up and present on your material p pet okay thank you uh councilwoman caputi and members of the board thank you I'm Tom Galvin on behalf of the applicant with rose log group 71144 East tson Drive if I may there's a few points that I'd like to make Vice chair bran Council woman caputi and then our architect Vince Scarano who's standing behind me can answer your most specific question I'm first of all we want to thank staff for that very thorough presentation and to underline that this is substantially the same project that appeared before this board a few years ago and in fact I believe that several members of this board were on that board uh when this was originally approved uh some of the things I want to highlight is that as I said this is the same plan there's only minor tweaks you heard earlier it's to comply with the current code also entitlements are secured and all bonus rights have been paid for and in fact the applicant has devoted already more than $1 million to the project towards a development agreement um as we all know Co hit and this really affected uh our approvals and it caused delays and actually caused a skyrocketing of costs in construction and set these delays in place but the project conforms to all the stipulations from the original case which is ZN case and that's from 2018 and all new stipulations as we heard earlier today staff is in support of the re approval and now I'd like to introduce you to Mr Vince Gano to answer that question and the others you might have thank you good afternoon members of the board uh my name is Vince Scarano I'm the principal from Bill form architecture Group 19820 North 7 Street site uh 260 Phoenix 85024 uh we do have a material at pallet board here so uh Brian if you don't mind helping me as far as how to access this here on the screen I was just gonna if if the board is okay with this I was just going to immediately go to the to the palletes for the sake of Saving Time okay if we go back to the staff presentation there we go so as was mentioned by Brian here uh this is exactly the same from what was originally approved so the approach that we took here is these are desert Hues completely appropriate to the desert uh the building itself is clad with a significant amount of of of authentic Stone here as you can see in the upper leftand corner uh there is a fair amount of glazing on the project because obviously we want these hotel rooms to have lots of light so you're going to see there's several different versions of that that occur across the uh upper two parts of this exhibit here uh there is a bit of concrete that occurs on the project it's it's mostly in relation to the banding that occurs that gives some articulation to the building you'll see that in the upper right hand corner and then as far as the ephus goes you'll see that there are some neutral colors that occur here that are uh located here at the bottom of this exhibit I have a real quick question can you run through the glazing strategy and the reflectivity of each of the glazing typologies that you have outlined here I think one concern with a building within the Oldtown context is to make sure that the reflectivity is within um City guidelines as well as just limiting highly reflective services within the Oldtown area yes and and when we had originally worked with staff way back in the day that was an issue so I do know that as far as the reflectivity goes it does meet the city of Scottdale standards here so there was never the intent here to have reflective surfaces as far as glazing goes so the two the major glazing typology that's on the hotel which is on the above ground above grade level is the GL2 which is the solar band The Solar blue solar band is that correct yes that is correct and and obviously our intent tier is to cut down or or to work with uh as much Energy Efficiency as we can here I would also add that the the sage as you've got it shown on the pallet is significantly better looking than what's represented in the renderings which is looks like it it it just has a p green color to it and it just um doesn't show well but I've actually worked with the sheridans that's a good color it's a good muted desert green tone so this shows better than yes um that that's a very good point there uh board member uh brand uh this is always a challenge we run into right um I've had countless uh situations where I get a call from an Irate developer because they print something out that I've sent them and it's like a harsh neon green when in reality it's probably closer to this sage color that you see here so can you talk about the exposed is this a type one building is this concrete all the way um yes it's a combination of concrete and I believe there's steel that's also in this building are you exposing the floor edges on the ex on the exterior perimeter of the building if you go back to the elevations do you have like exposed concrete edges that are overhangs um as much as we would have liked to have done that it's just because of how the articulation worked it's actually going to be an applied surface oh it's a okay I didn't know if we could go back to that where is the where is the natural concrete coming in out though you were you were saying it was in horizontal edges that one there okay keep on going okay yes so so looking back at this I I think that there is areas on this for instance if you look at the corners of the buildings that would end up likely being an applied surface but there are some areas where it well it'll end up being clad in in the ephas but it is a representation of the uh of the floor system that occurs behind it okay I just I want to make a comment and have this on record for the the applicant and for our staff that we recently had a case that came through here that was a building that had exposed slabs and extended slabs were an integral part of the facade design they were left off during construction and we had to come back and reee this case and I I don't think it's been a successful construction how that building's being represented I just want to make sure that what is shown here and represented here with as far as the depth of the articulation of these floor lines and how they're represented is not something that can be you will not be getting an approval for me if this comes back to us and say well we we didn't get the floor edges we didn't this just disappeared from the project so I just want to get that on record that the expectation is when this stuff is shown as exposed that it's going to be constructed that way so I want to make sure staff in light of a recent project that did not do that that we make sure that we're paying attention to that when this project comes through I don't have any other any other comments that was I was really wanting to see which which glazing type so I'll leave that open for the rest of the board for comment commissioner young thank you um I could could we go back to the slide with the materials on it and I'm just Cur curious about the stone looks like the stone is at the lobby entrance on Scottdale road is that the only location for it I'm sorry Bard beo could you repeat that question the stone you got in the upper left corner there uh from the renderings it looks like the only place on the building that the stone is located is at the lobby entrance on Scottdale Road oh there's some more there yes I wanted I wanted to go back to the elevation here so you could see a clearer depiction of it so it actually there is a fair amount of it on the building I don't what's the size format of the stone um I believe it is a 12 by 24 okay yeah that information isn't in here but I I do believe it's a 12 okay I've just seen other projects with sizable surfaces that they use a real thin Stone and it just kind of looks awkward um and you know I'm fine with this size that that seems to be adequate for the scale um where's the Stone from is it locally sourced uh I believe Sun Valley masery is local sourced but bearing in mind that this uh this sample board was put together quite a few years ago we'd have to update it so sure obviously our intent is to match exactly what's on here but uh it's been a while since I've uh contacted Sun Valley Ming okay I've just seen some projects and they bring in and it's not a natural stone like like this it's a cultured stone product and it's white or very light and it doesn't look natural to the area um since this is a reproduction of what the actual stone product is it's a little bit hard to tell like is it really going to have those Rich colors do we happen happen to actually have the sample board here just a photograph okay well I assume everybody's already seen it so I'll let that one rest approving yeah all right thank you very much any other comments um I just want to make a quick comment that um what grabbed my mind my eye here is 15D D28 this project uh is now seven or eight years old we hear a lot about pipelines up on our our Council diets and it's just a this is a perfect example of a pro a great project that got stalled for so long um and is finally moving forward so again to remind everyone in the room including the speaker um this is a re-approval this is not going to come back before Council or Planning Commission this is just about design today and um we are Heights uh are already approved so we're really just focusing on design and with that um would anyone like to make a motion or I'm happy to keep talking I can I can make a motion um and again I also want to want to um acknowledge the public speaker who took the time to come down here and and stand in front of the dis to speak um regarding the project again repeating what uh council member kabudi said the your concerns that you mentioned today are really out of the purview of this board and it's not something that we can even deliberate on with regard to the height that's approved with the entitlement of the project um having having uh received adequate answers to the questions I'm going to make a motion to approve um agenda item number 3 15- D-28 per the hold on let me get my script in ance with the staff recommended stipulations and any discussion on this board second all second councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair brand yes yes commissioner young yes board member paser yes board member Mis yes board member Robinson yes motion passes 60 thank you good luck with your project we will move on to the regular agenda first item is number six 46d 2022 number two Marshall living um we'll have a staff presentation and then we've got a whole bunch of um comment cards from the audience yes thank you uh councilwoman caputi Vice chair uh brand and board members uh Greg Bloomberg principal planner here to give you an overview of Marshall living 46d 2022 number two I'm going to skip right past this site because it's a small location I want to go straight to this area so this project is located just south of the intersection of Marshall way and Fifth Avenue uh it actually comprised comprised of two Parcels which I'll get to in just a moment originally it was only one parcel which was basically from here North and they have since decided to include this parcel to the South as part of the project uh lots of single story and some two-story uh retail restaurants and commercial in the in the vicinity so a brief summary and some background this uh case was originally approved back in 2022 under 46d 2022 I mentioned that it was a much more narrow building it was uh basically about 30 feet wide maybe 40t wide and now they've uh expanded it to include the parcel to the South uh there's some changes to the building design uh but generally the uh proposed design is consistent with what was previously approved uh there is a shade canopy proposed over the sidewalk and there has been some public comment on this case as I'm sure you're aware so uh on the top of this slide is the previously approved site plan and again I'll point out that it was just a single parcel uh there was originally parking approved off the alley uh about 900 square fet of commercial and four units above that and then the the uh site plan on the bottom of this slide indicates the new site plan is proposed uh we now have a total of 17 parking spaces now tandem parking is permitted provided that the tandem parking spaces are all for the same unit so for example 9 and 12 would have to be for the same unit they couldn't just be random parking spaces for uh other residents uh there is a loading zone proposed uh in one of the parking spaces which is allowed uh subject to development review board approval uh covered sidewalks along the uh street again access to parking is off the alley uh which is fairly consistent with several projects in the old town area it's very difficult to access parking from the street especially on these more compact Parcels uh and then there's the uh The Refuge room here which will have a a roll out uh container which has been reviewed and approved by sanitation so uh oh and um we're hoping that this area here uh can be converted to some angled parking consistent with the angled parking that's to the south of of that location because it's kind of a dead space and I'll show you that in one of my upcoming slides so here's the previously approved elevations on the left as you can see as proposed the elevations are fairly similar the biggest difference is the width of the building uh very similar materials very Sim similar treatments on the Zero lot lines uh I did notice that there is uh a little bit of a reduction of the clading on the south elevation with the new design compared to the previous design and then one of the biggest concerns that I've uh seen from the uh Neighbors in the area is the massing and the height of the building so I wanted to make sure you were uh aware of this so what we've got here is this the building setback and by the way the building setback in this area is 14 ft from back of curb not from property line so from back of curb they're meeting their 14t setback and then there's a step back requirement that starts at 30 feet in height which is right here and it's a one toone requirement going back all the way to the end of the building what they're proposing and what is allowed by ordinance are some encroachments into that uh step back specifically uh a balcony area uh the balcony railing and of course the the street level uh sidewalk shade canopy is also an exception as encouraged by the general Plan and there's even a portion of uh of parit up here that's also allowed to encroach there's other encroachments that are permitted by the ordinance such as stairwells and elevator shafts and so on and so forth uh subject to development review board approval but this design as they're showing it uh is consistent with the exception that are allowed by the ordinance so the height at 48 ft and the massing as proposed is consistent with the ordinance and also with the old town character area plan these are the original perspectives uh just giving you some various angles of the first uh approval building and then I've got a couple of updated perspectives for you this is looking Southeast from Marshall and I'm going to finish with this particular slide because it gives you a good uh view of of the uh the massing and also the coverage sidewalk and that will complete staff's presentation uh the applicant is here to answer questions and I know we've got some folks who wish to speak on this so for now I'll have a seat unless you have some immediate questions for me why don't we hear from uh our speakers and then we can have you back for questions so so our first speaker is going to be Mike March you want to come up to the Das you have yep the technolog is there for you to use and you I see that you've got extra minutes so you'll have eight minutes and your timer is right here if you want to keep track I'll probably shut you off if you go over so just warning you ahead of time okay um well my name is Mike March uh I've been an architect uh for 30 years here in Arizona 20 years as principal of madna Architects spending much of that time uh in office space directly across the street from the proposed project uh so I'm very familiar with uh you know the the area the the congestion the parking the issues in the alley and what have you and uh was asked by the uh adjacent Property Owners to evaluate this project as as it pertained to codes and zoning ordinance and and what have you and see if there's any adverse uh impact on their enjoyment of their parcels and we do have a few concerns uh the the zoning ordinance clearly has uh design guidelines for parking uh and and with respect to adjacent uh Drive AIS uh you can see uh if you have 20ft Drive aisle uh you should have angle parking at uh at 55° uh and if you're going to have 90° parking which this project proposes you really need to have a 24ft drive aisle that's a standard I've been held to on all the projects I've done in Scottdale and anybody that's driven through Costco parking lot or anything of that nature understand 24 ft even then is not quite enough um I realize that uh on every project I've had uh density is driven by parking and I can appreciate uh the the developers uh desire to maximize the density and and get that 90° parking space in there uh but it's you need to have a 24t drive aisle to do that I don't believe that this project does um what we have if you Noti on the proposed project the has uh asked for we have 16t current alley uh with a twoot dedication and another two feet to the face of the garage stores which gives them essentially a 20ft alley ing to the standards that would be angled parking going in a oneway direction um the the applicant also states that all the parking will be coming from Marshall which then creates a two-way uh a two-way Drive aisle situation now the parking uh should departure all the north is coming from the East this would be coming from the west and and again going back to the zoning code 24t minimum for uh two-way Drive aisles uh you can see that the parking if if they were to back people backing out of the space would end up potentially hitting the cars in the area behind it uh the ada8 space has got a wall right 20 ft behind I don't even know how you can get into that space and we have a similar situation over on the east alley with the loading zone and the other two spaces over there where you're limited to just barely 20 ft um the loading zone itself I it's it's not too practical I mean anybody just moved into any place the smallest shoe haul you can get with a V little van front or something it's got a 25 turning radius so it's uh it makes it a challenge to use that and I think that the only way that people are going to be able to move into these parking spaces is by trespassing on to the properties nearby and and maneuvering in there um it the the second challenge that we have is that the we have 12 Apartments three or two bedroom which we can see where the tandom spaces are uh and that only leaves eight spaces left on here as Greg stated that ninth person can park in in the loading zone but then if you've got a tenant that that's the only place that they can park you really don't even have a loading zone anymore so if some if somebody come home somebody else is parking a loading zone where's that person going to park are they going to park in their street most likely not just because you know you got especially this time of year but also you get a ticket or something of that nature so it's going to it's going to encourage parking on other on other Parcels to make this work and um I I think that it's just what really needs to happen is um we need to make sure that this project gets it full 24t drive AIS just for functionality and in use of the space thank you thank you next we have Jose Ramirez it's like you're going to have eight minutes as well if you need it good afternoon my name is uh Jose Ramirez my U address is 7499 East timberlan Court in Scottdale Arizona 85258 and uh I'm a property owner and uh several businesses in alltown Scott still for the last uh 15 years so uh I currently own uh two properties on Marshall W and I'm specifically concerned about one of my properties on Fifth Avenue being impacted by this development uh that particular address is 7077 East fth Avenue and it's located uh just directly north of Marshall living and the uh problems that I foresee uh if this project were to get approved is related to a couple of couple of different things one of them being uh their parking design the uh current Alleyway uh currently service both my property to the north and uh they anticipate using this alley to service their residential component uh to uh in in order to access the parking um my problem is that the as proposed with the 90° angle uh there is not sufficient uh there's not a sufficient parking radius uh or or space to be able to uh maneuver inside and out without trespassing onto my property uh the alleyway like I said before is only 16 feet so definitely I do foresee a lot of trespassing uh when uh residents uh use that parking at that particular angle therefore impacting a lot of my uh a lot of the business owners that currently use that parking uh at my particular building so I'm really concerned about uh you know their safety as well uh because they will have to ensure that they uh they're not going to have a lot of space to be able to access the back doors for deliveries and that type of thing and uh the other the other item that I'm kind of concerned about is the overall architecture I I really believe that uh this particular street is one of the most beautiful streets in in Oldtown Scottdale and it's got some wonderful buildings wonderful architecture and uh I would like uh to see something else other than uh something that's completely very modern uh something more Timeless uh maybe different materials being used or maybe more ornate um you know something special we only have it's a very small stretch you know from Indian School to Fifth Avenue which is where the horse Fountain is located which is the one of the most photographed uh pieces of Art in the scel art collection uh so I see it as a Gateway and uh we only have one opportunity to continue making that street more wonderful and and uh I like to to see something different there um and um in conclusion you know um just you know maybe maybe there is a middle ground maybe there's a different parking scenario and uh maybe explore a different type of architecture thank you thank you our next speaker is Mark Moffett good afternoon councilwoman caputi board members um my name is Mark Moffett I'm the CEO of rooster bus located at 7083 East fth Avenue just north of the proposed development um I appreciate the opportunity to speak today uh about my concerns regarding the project and its potential impact on Oldtown Scottdale as a business owner and as a vested member of this community I have serious reservations about the challenges this project poses to our neighborhood's functionality safety and unique character first let's talk about the parking and traffic old Town's parking situation is already strained this project with additional apartments and Retail spaces will only worsen the problem delivery vehicles for existing business including my own already struggle to navigate the Alleyways causing congestion and delays adding more retail resident and residential deliveries will render these spaces nearly impassive ible uh beyond the Alleyways the influx of residents visitors and overnight guests will create even more demand for parking in an area that's already at capacity backing out of our parking spots is is hazardous due to the two-way traffic that in these tight spaces and the proposed development doesn't adequately address the pressing safety concern uh in addition to parking and traffic Waste Management presents another significant challenge dumers in the area are difficult to access waste trucks due to tight maneuvering spaces when low hanging power lines this project lacks clear and practical P practical plan for handling waste which is raises concern about logistical in issues and potential safety hazards next the building design scale are incompatible with old Town's aesthetic the proposed four-story height is disproportionate to the surrounding structures approving this project as it would would set a president for future developments that further erode the architectural charm that defines that defines defines Fifth Avenue furthermore the sustainability of Apartments versus condominium should be reconsidered Apartments often attract transient occupants which leads to higher turnover rates and constant need to educate residents on parking Waste Management local Norms condominiums on the other hand are more likely to attract long-term residents who have a vested interest in the community creating stability that aligns better with old Town's ecosystem finally safety is a major concern The increased traffic in laway will Elevate risk of collision vehicle damage and potential injuries the turn near the proposed site is already challenging for for drivers and pedestrians this development would exacerbate the problem significantly uh in conclusion I propose that the project presents serious concerns about parking traffic Waste Management safety and the preservation of old Town's character I urge this Council to reconsider the scope of the design the project to ensure at aligns with the needs of the value of the community thank you for your time for considering these pressing issues I respectfully ask that you div Deni this proposal in its current form thank you for your comments there's several other speakers but they have donated their time to the speakers that we've already heard is there anyone who wanted to speak that didn't get a chance I think I've got just about everyone all right so um we're going to hear from the applicant if you would like to come up and and speak about your project that'd be great Council and caputi and the board my name is Mark tomichek I'm with tomichek design 4368 North Civic Center Plaza in Scottdale Arizona just up the street um that's not our project um as Greg sort of explained we've already been through this process and they approved the smaller portion of the the project with the same height parking and everything thing and it was really a tight project that we barely made work so the owner actually acquired the land on the south to make the project bigger the property bigger so that parking refuge and everything would work better so we believe this is actually an improvement of what was already approved a lot of what I've heard today has to do more with city ordinances and City Rules this one project won't change anything that anything has been talked about and what I believe is that we've actually improved the situation um you've seen the site plan that somebody put up an aiel and the the parking situation on existing old projects is actually worse than ours every property owner uh is required to dedicate two feet of their property to make the alleys wider and we have done this on this project so once all the other properties get redeveloped the alleys will get larger and we are providing our half Street of 12T as required um by by ordinance so I guess in in conclusion I think we're actually helping the problem it's an older it's a downtown cars used to be smaller and now their cars are bigger trash trucks are bigger but we all need to work together to improve it one project at a time is usually how it happens thank you are there any questions from board members kitten is there a map available or some sort of either aerial or site plan that you can run through the servicing of this alley uh as it's either presently done or how you're adjusting it and kind of run through the strategy of how Services Ser services are rendered from a trash loading access circulation standpoint uh Vice chair Brandon you want to start with the aial or do you want to go straight to the site plan either one whatever can I think we've heard enough comments that are talking about the access of the alleyway the width you know the Ser how the property functions and Services I know in this tight Oldtown area there's several properties that are clustered around this corner that there's I like I think we could all use an understanding of presently today how that entire area functions and maybe that's through an an areial that so yeah so this is this is the current situation you can even see on the on our surrounded property the the north side of our property is being used for parking um but again we are taking two feet from our North property line and two feet from our East property line to to make the alley wider and the yeah the The Refuge trucks use the alley to uh pick up trash you can see kind of towards the bottom of the screen there's a a refuge bin um and there's there's another one on the east side of the alley also that is just refuged they're not really even in enclosures they're just kind of hanging out in the alley um our our refu it's in the it was SED it's the same on both both projects the original and the new one but our refuge enclosure is in the Southeast corner it's uh screened and it's not in the alley it's on our property and it's just rolled out picked up and put back in um again I think a better solution than just having uh bins hanging out on the side of the property they get moved around what is the heavy Dash square area on the upper right hand corner of your proposed drawing looks like bottom right that's the bin no no the upper right you've got a a dash area that looks like it's a sight visibility triangle oh triangle yes that's uh there's a square inside of the triangle though that just showing up it seems like or is there something else inside of that visibility triangle um yeah there is something but there shouldn't be anything there yeah I don't know what that is there's nothing in there that's not a visibility triangle actually that's a dedication at for a turning radius so that's actually going as well for traffic okay so you're dedicating you're actually dedicating area within your property for a turning radius I I'm going to ask uh Sam Taylor from transportation to weigh in on this hang on just a moment hello um councilwoman capy uh yeah so our dspm um tries to avoid sharp corners and Alleyways and we have a requirement for 15 foot uh safety triangle that's best way way to describe it but it really is for turning radius so that's that's part of the compliance with the DS snpm is and that's a no build area it's not a dedication of property it's a is it a no build area then what's how does that work out on the site yeah that's correct it should be a no build area but we still didn't understand from the aerial we have other surrounding property members that are here I I don't have an understanding of because I'm listening to to what other people are saying and it doesn't seem like there's an obstruction that's being created by this project and in fact you're improving the width of the alley but I I just didn't know how the operations work right now it looks like it's the East West portion of the alley that you're on is all of the all of the cars in that area are parked kind of at an angle is it a one way I don't know if Transportation can verify in your assessment of the property when you reviewed this project is it a one-way alley that's a across the top the northern side or how does that operate right now uh Vice chair brand um it is a two-way alley our alleys uh throughout the city are either 16 feet or 20 feet depending if they're in a residential or commercial area um so that's part of the reason why we requested the two foot dedication was because their half of the alleyway will now be 10 ft which they're providing um we can't ask for the full 4 feet which would make the Alleyway 20 ft um because uh the other the northern half would also be responsible for 2 feet of it um so um but yeah they do function as two-way streets uh it is narrow it's an Alleyway um but we've got that all throughout the downtown area um do you generally provide off Alleyways of of that with a headend 90° head-end parking function CU I'm very very famili familar with the parking standards here and and the the architect who presented before is is correct that usually it's a if you're doing a 90° parking stall you're man mandated a 24t maneuvering space is that not typically what we do in alleys is that can you explain the parking standards and drive aisle requirements for standard properties versus an alley alignment I I can respond to that um as I said the the alley currently is 8T from the center towards our property we're dedicating two more feet that makes a 10 and then we have a twoot setback which is we are providing that 12 feet from the center of the road once the property to the north does the same thing there will be a 24 ft driveway um but you can't guarantee that the property to the north is going to dedicate two feet to that drive a all you can mandate is that they do the 10- foot alley no there's a requirement is it a requirement to put an additional 2 feet yes yeah that's a requirement okay so so if any Improvement happens on this property to the North or any surrounding property the Oldtown alley Improvement mandate is that you do a 10-ft alley plus a twot maneuvering setback is that depending on if you're placing parking on there or if it's just maneuvering is that what's the outline of that councilwoman caputi Vice chair brand uh yeah the ultimate goal obviously is to have a full 20 foot Alleyway and then if anybody wants to access parking off that alley we ask that they set that the garage or the carport back to additional feat so that if there's residential let say there's garages on the North side in the future then we would have a full 24t drive aisle with with parking on both sides now this obviously is is a unique situation in that we cannot get the full width uh from the north property but the applicant is doing exactly what he supposed to do from an ordinance and policy perspective and that is to dedicate the two feet additional and provide the two foot setback from that uh from that RightWay after the dedication that's good I'm just trying to understand what when this runs through staff what what you're directing to do with the future and current planning is do you have any response to why the um Southern Southern facade the the metal has decreased in the application or is that just a I don't know if you wanted to run through any of the other differences of the what was the previous approval versus the what's being proposed here so we we had the unique opportunity to design this building twice so we went through full construction documents on the previously approved project and there was certain building code issues that we came up with after um you know the Dr approval um the reason the metal is taller honestly I can't answer that I don't know why um but there's some fire requirements because this is a firewall and it but buts the property to the to the south south of this which again as we we have been talking about one day maybe but probably that property will be built out to a four-story building and completely block this so the reason the parapets got taller and wider which we tried to minimize that but per code we have to provide all that parit in order to have the fire separation needed are there any other comments from people are my hogging the floor I know does anyone else want to make some comments I do have a comment uh circling back to the parking so this is a alley is it it's not dedicated right of way is that right um I guess Mr Bloomberg uh councilwoman caputi and commissioner young it uh is dedicated right away but it it's also an alley okay so but it's never intended to be a street no you're correct Okay so we're trying to apply a parking standard to something that's not intended to be a street or part of a parking lot I mean I I'm just I'm just trying to understand how you're going to get out of these parking spaces without hitting the cars on the angled parking um with with hopes that they're going to redevelop their site and these are all garage doors on these these parking stalls yes and you can see on the aerial I mean this is exactly what these cars are doing to today mhm and uh my office also backs up to an alley which has not had any dedication which has a four-story building just uh west of us and we get in and out without a problem every day sometimes more than once and they're they're alleys and everybody that works or lives downtown appreciates that and understand that they're not living up in North Scottdale and have a five-car garage yeah they're living and working in a downtown dense area there's also ample public parking around here that people use and the whole purpose of downtown Oldtown is to make it more walkable than car Centric so rather than creating huge driveways and P and everything about the car this is more about the pedestrians yeah and and I understand that and I I appreciate that um I'm just thinking you know backing out of one of those stalls you've got walls on both sides of each one of those individual stalls and you're not going to be able to see anybody coming east or west down that alley um I I'm struggling with this one this we we've got I mean parking standards with this 24t driveway width or drive aisle width and we're very below that number um I'm just I'm I'm struggling with understanding understanding how how that's going to work especially with the blind spots uh of each of those individual parking garages that you've got so um have you done have you had an autoturn run on these garages in this part in this uh alley um like I said I I do it every day because it's a very similar condition where I park on a on a daily basis sure I but did you actually run an auto turn on it not on this one and these aren't Individual Car they're two cars so every two parking spaces have one one garage door um there's a project on the um east side of this building that has a very similar condition um which are the the the four-story uh living building just across the street from here they have the garages that back into the alley okay thank you uh councilwoman caputi if I may for uh sort of elaborate on that uh for board member young please uh the 24t aisle width that you're referring to is technically an aisle width for on-site parking um obviously it would be ideal for that to apply to alleys as well and eventually it probably will for this alley if the property to the north redevelops if it doesn't then it won't but that I just wanted to point out that that 24t is for on-site parking Drive aisles I understand that I think that's kind of a technicality though it's still functioning as a parking stall so that's that's why I'm we're just painting the house a different color I mean is it is it a still functioning as a parking stall so you know those standards of the 24 ft are there for there to be enough maneuvering when you backing into the or you're backing out of the stall and when you're maneuvering into the stall um I don't have a very big vehicle and I tell you even a 24 foot parking or drive aisle is sometimes difficult to negotiate with the way some other people Park and you can't always count on the people pay uh parking in the diagonal spalls to be all the way in um you know wherever that property line is nobody can really see it to know if they're all the way in if they're hanging out into that Alleyway um I I just I don't know in my mind I'm seeing a lot of a lot of bumper collisions in that that Alleyway uh with this condition so um but anyway thank you for the explanation I hear the concerns but I just keep coming back to this is Oldtown this is our downtown I mean the all of the Alleyways have this almost exact same challenge I was talking with staff before the meeting I could give a a whole bunch of examples of other locations downtown where it's very challenging and difficult to maneuver the car these are alleys they're not streets um from my point of view I I think this is an incredibly challenging site I think that the owner has done an exceptional job of trying hard to make it amendable to all of these different um concerns and and they've come up with a pretty decent design I think the issue is that something is going to get built I feel like a broken record on this um you know we are going to see Redevelopment we want we're encouraging Redevelopment in our downtown we want cool exciting live work Play Projects no matter what gets built here you're going to have a challenge with the parking whether it's a twostory building a one-story building a three-story building uh it's zoned for 48 feet so they are within their rights and something is going to get built Whatever Gets built here is going to have the exact same challenges so the question is you know um are we approving the best possible project here um and and again we're going to have these issues no matter what I love the way that you've um added some shading elements we've been really stressing that in our general plan lately um and I I want to just reemphasize that this is actually less dense than what's allowed in this particular location and it's actually overp parked in addition to meeting all of the ordinance requirements so it you know it's hard to as a city for us to say these are the things that we allow and then sort of take them back after the fact and this is just like the previous case that we heard um it was approved we're reapproved better than the original not to downplay the challenges I think you are going to have some challenges here but again any project here is going to have those same challenges and I also just want to reiterate a point that you made that hasn't been made enough I don't think um we are spending tens of millions of dollars to build more parking in our downtown area um because we all recognize that parking is an issue downtown and we have been very proactive to try to create more parking garages uh to come and so I think parking will become less and less of an issue as we move forward and continue to address this as our downtown continues to redevelop revitalize and uh improve so those are my two sents thank you any other comments this a really quiet board I've heard the concern raised over backing into the Alleyways and I heard this similar concern about traffic and tightness when we were approving the uh Warehouse complex out off Pima and 101 it claims it going to be 300 trucks per day and if you bow the 300 trucks per day down to how many trucks per hour how many trucks per minute how many linear feet of roadway it soon became a non-existent problem I think in Alleyways we talked about people backing out and our tover to our transportation people how exactly how much traffic do you normally expect running down an Alleyway it's going to be one car every 15 20 minutes maybe and so I think that you know people backing out I don't see that there's going to be a big problem about theer to Transportation see what you say uh uh board remember Mason yeah it would be less than 250 cars per day it's typically what we'd expect on an alley so really uh less than a you know your smallest local Road um yeah thank you any other comments I have another com I'm I'm out now that we're we're past the service and and circulation issue can you bring up the comparative uh elevations real quick is I do think that the the design aesthetic that that you went uh that you came forward with on the first one and and what you were targeting here with which is this masonry with the the metal accent is appropriate I think it's um it's contemporary but not too um overzealous contemporary like some of the some of the stuff that I've seen on um other small Parcels in Oldtown it's not too attention Gathering so I really like the direction that you've gone with here um one thing that's different from the first second is that the what was a really nice elegant piece was that the masonry actually stopped before the top floor of this um on the elevation to the left if you look at the South elevation the masonry sort of stops and it's only the sort of metal accent piece that really extends up to to give a little bit of a base Middle top or a penthouse feeling to this which was a really strong way to break up the massing I thought it was a really strong gesture that's not present on what's proposed right now is that because of a zero lot line fire rating configuration with your openness is that what happened um I I agree that I also prefer the original how we designed it but having gone through the building review it was a fire comment that we had that we had to address even on this original building it doesn't work the way we designed it um so it would have had to be adjusted regardless of whether we came back here today or not so you've got a a rated wall condition that has to rise above the last ceiling because it's an open balcony it has to be raid towards the neighbor okay no I understand that um where is the mechanical equipment located for this for this building it's uh it's on the it's on the roof behind the the metal screen okay so you will have a screen wall then that's that's not showing up on the east and west elevations then because it looks like you've got on the south you've got a screen wall coming up yes there's going to be equipment back behind that yeah on the yes we're just going to have equipment screening okay so you're going to have screening that's going to be rooftop screening that's okay yeah it didn't appear that there was roof that you've got an elevator overrun staircase but I didn't see any additional screening fore equipment up there um all right I don't have any other questions on this questions comments from the board good all right well then I'm going to move to approve Dr 46d 2022 number two Marshall living uh per the staff recommended stipulations and including the revised building elevation worksheet as presented by staff during the hearing after finding that the development application meets the development review board criteria and the additional findings for a development in the Oldtown area all second roll call vote councilwoman caputi yes Vice chair brand yes commissioner Young no commissioner I'm sorry board member peser yes board member Mason yes board member Robinson yes motion passes 5 to one thank you thank you thank you moving on on the regular agenda we have number seven 21d 2024 toll at cavison councilwoman caputi Vice chair bran board members contemplated putting this on consent but it's a big project and but it is I don't think it's a very contentious project so I'll be very brief in my presentation uh the site is located within the cavison master plan land which is about 130 Acres uh that originally received zoning approval about 4 years ago uh when Nationwide came in with their zoning case this site is at the South or northeast corner of what would is 76 Street in cavison Boulevard just a closer view of the site uh there's also a project in the works on the paral to the north that would be a multif family residential project it's kind of a site uh site plan slop space plan uh all of the streetscape improvements including the Landscaping have already been installed by the Nationwide group so the the land the open space that and the Landscaping that you're going to see is just for the onsite uh work that's being done because all the off-site Landscaping is already in place uh the semi-triangular space down here is part of the circle Park which is part of the cavison master plan it is not part of this development uh then you have some streetscaping on uh Miller Road in addition to what's already there uh from the developer and these lighter green areas that you're seeing here are for the private open spaces for each of the individual units again this is the landscape plan so most of the Landscaping is on site and uh there's some improvements to the mid Road Landscaping so basically they're adding some of their own landscaping along the perimeter to enhance what's already there along on the streets and one of the things that I failed to point out which I will point out now is that the units along the streets specifically along cavison and along Claret Drive some of those units have actual access out to the sidewalk from their patios uh which is kind of a unique feature for this project uh and that allows the project to interact and provide some connectivity uh with the street Frontage so there are three different uh color schemes and material schemes for this project I'll just go through them very quickly um they do utilize very similar uh finishes in terms of ephas and stone veneer but there are some changes to the wood uh elements uh this is scheme one uh of the uh proposal this is scheme two you can see there's a little bit of a different uh color palette slight different slight difference in color palette and a difference in the wood that's being used this all just helps to provide some variety throughout the community and then this is the third uh color scheme a little bit of a little bit darker but still some warm Shades they're not necessarily cold colors they're still warmer Shades and again the uh colors and the wood are a little bit different than what was on the in the previous schemes and this is a perspective by looking uh Northwest from cavison Boulevard and then this is an internal perspective of the community that concludes my presentation the applicant team is here to answer any questions and I'm here to answer any questions you may have of me any questions from the board I have one question it's just a procedural question or maybe a technical question I looking at the colors presented on screen in front