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this further question kind of lurking in the background which I never raised but really ought to be it's not a very profound question and that is what right do we have to do anything in Columbia try out new biological weapons use chemicals and violation of manufacturers prescriptions go in with military gunships what right do we have to do any of these things there's a cynical answer to that the cynical answer is their governments ask this too but if the government's hadn't asked us to they wouldn't be their government so we can drop that argument putting that aside what's our right what right do we have to do it or to turn the question around do they have the same right to do it to us let's just takes a Columbia many more people died in Columbia from us lethal drugs than the number of people who died here from Colombian lethal drugs and if you spread it over the whole world its orders of magnitude I mean millions and millions of people in Asia die from us-produced lethal substances as through many people here I'm talking about the backhoe primarily the number of deaths from tobacco every year just in the United States is on the order of 400,000 the total number of deaths from all drugs what are called drugs is about 16,000 so it's like 25 times as much if you look at the rest of the world it's millions and tens of millions of people now notice that those people they don't have a choice for example if Thailand or China or South Korea or something were to try to prevent us lethal substances from going into their country they'd be smashed there's device called super 301 trade sanctions very severe trade sanctions can be will be imposed in fact they're constantly threatened if any effort is made to try to prevent the import of us lethal substances and that's a very severe threat for a country like say Thailand or china big one because the US market is important so you can compel countries to accept our lethal substances furthermore they have to accept advertising for them so if any of these countries try to prevent advertising mostly directed at vulnerable populations like say women and children primarily if they try to prevent that again very severe trade sanctions the result of this is that US lethal substances are poured into other countries with massive advertising campaigns aimed at the most vulnerable populations leading to a huge number of deaths incalculable number of deaths one epidemiologist at Oxford University estimated that of the current population of China about 50 million are going to die from us lethal substances in coming years so it's not small numbers so then the question then arises well if we have a right to carry out these campaigns in Colombia why don't they have a right to carry out chemical and biological warfare and military attacks say in North Carolina it sounds like a simple question and if the US Air Force won't let them do it why shouldn't honest American citizens do it you know because they can ask the same question well leave that question with you to think about it's rather striking that it isn't asked it's not a very profound question like it's not a question that any junior high school student would have a difficulty understanding but try to find the question raised somewhere can ask why notice that there is no debate about the the character of us lethal drugs that's accepted the US Supreme Court really recently determined in fact unanimously that tobacco is the leading public health hazard in the United States at out ways you know number of others combined and they virtually called on Congress to declare it illegal they can't actually say so but that's what it amounted other questions arise to how many times recently have you heard about the Delta Force raids on say US chemical companies in New York or US banks in New York or Boston and so on if not why not it's well known that they're involved in narco trafficking heavily involved in the 1980's the CIA published a report in fact on chemical exports from the United States the Latin America pointing out that their way in excess of industrial needs and that the ones that are sent are the ones the kind that are used for a production of drugs so what about that nobody knows how much money goes into narco trafficking but it's supposed to be in the order of you know maybe 500 billion dollars a year or something like that it's estimated over half of it passes through New York banks US banks well that's not very hard to monitor in fact the federal reserve system is so well enough organized so that if any deposit of over ten thousand dollars is Anders anywhere its registered now that can be monitored in fact it was done at one point back in the early nineteen at late 70s and early 80s when drug production was really picking up fast and Columbia nothing like lethal substance production here it's not a fraction of it but was mounting there was a operations federal federal prosecutors in Florida detected sharp increases in the deposits in Florida banks and began a operation called Operation greenback to determine what it was all of course everybody knew what it was to find out what it was and to bring criminal charges against the people involved well that operation was called off by the drug czar of the Reagan administration guy named George Bush and that's the last time there was ever an attempt to look at that there's much more to be said about this of the non-tobacco lethal substances the one that's fastest-growing the sector that's growing most rapidly is the high-tech drugs what are called the ATS stands for never remember it so I read it down and feta mean type stimulants supposedly about 30 million people addicts a year that's more than heroin cocaine combined they're mostly produced here and it's rapidly growing so there are things we could there's another point and I'll end with this this is enough to say that whatever is going on as a 19-2 it drugs no I mean some other purpose and I think it's obvious what the purpose is but there's a final point to be made about that it's well known how to deal with drug with drug problem it's not a small problem I mean substance abuse is a serious problem the worst part is tobacco the next is amika hall and down below or lots of other drug and the way to deal with it is my treat prevention and treatment prevention of course means eliminating the social conditions out of which it arises but just plain treatment and it's effective there are major studies which compare the effectiveness government funded studies you know major ones that compare the effectiveness of treatment to other approaches the major one by rand corporation compared treatment prevention and treatment just in terms of cost effectiveness to a criminal justice what's called a tease the word what's called criminal justice in the United States and it was about the seven times as effective treatment they compared it with interdiction it's about 11 times as effective they compared it with what's called source country control as what we're doing in Colombia it was 23 times as effective so by substantial measures these are much more effective ways of dealing with the substance abuse problem which is a problem you know and you want to deal with it that's the way to do it the there were some proposals from the office of budget management and also from a couple of congressional representatives nancy pelosi in the california particularly to put in amendments to the columbia plan for small amounts of money for treatment their kill you know that's not the idea the idea isn't to use the cost effective methods to treat the problem that exists it's to kill peasants and that's the plan that was passed well for years it's been pointed out by critics of these programs that they fail to meet their stated objectives and that's true they completely fail to meet their stated objectives and that's recognized on all sides so what's the what do we conclude what do you decide when it fails to when a program fails to meet the state of stated objectives the methods are criminal prosecution at home and the you know mass murder abroad well what you do is you intensify the same efforts and you avoid the methods that you notable to work well you know assuming everybody isn't totally insane there's another conclusion to be drawn from this and that is that they are meeting their objectives not the stated objectives but the real objectives they're meeting them and therefore you continue with them and you don't carry out programs that would meet the stated objectives what are the objectives well you know to make sure that social change of the wrong kind doesn't take place in countries like Colombia and to get rid of the superfluous population in the United States the United States is also being subjected to neoliberal structural adjustment programs that's in Colombia it leads to a class of people called disposable in the United States that leads to superfluous people people who aren't making a significant contribution to wealth production and really aren't needed in what's called the new economy so you toss them in jail we're a civilized country so instead of killing them toss them into jail the jail population is shooting out of sight its last twenty years become way beyond that any industrial country and the other industrial country has nothing whatsoever to do with crime fact most of the people by now are what are called victimless crimes possession and things like that so domestically point in the foreign domains it's clear what the consequences are domestically it's it's basically a word directed against minorities in the poor and it gets rid of them and it has a secondary effect of terrifying everybody else a lot of people are so ring from the neoliberal programs so all those small sectors of the population of gained from the rather tepid economic growth of the last 20 years most of them are left out and they got to be controlled to and the best way to control people is by fear that's every every dictator everyone else knows that you can frighten people they aren't going to cost two much problems and the the drug war is perfect for that it makes people frightened willing to accept Authority and power gets rid of people who are in your way and provides a cover for the kinds of actions abroad that have been carried out for years under one or another pretext but always the same I think that's the framework in which makes sense to think about and come to understand the Columbia plan here you