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N TONIGHT WE HAVE SOME NEW AUDIO TO PLAY YOU OF DONALD TRUMP HINTING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AT WHAT HE REFUSES TO SAY IN PUBLIC, HE LOST THE 2020 ELECTION WHILE ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ONETIME FRIEND AND AN APPRENTICE CONTESTANT ROLE TO RIVERA TRUMP SAID THIS LET WAS FOR ALL THE LEG IT WAS GOOD. >> HE DID A GOOD JOB HE WAS SMART CUNNING HE DID A GOOD JOB AND ARE YOU GUYS TO THE CLOSER YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO. HE IS AFTER I LOST THE ELECTION, I WON THE ELECTION. >> BUT WHEN THEY SAID WHAT HE CALLED ME UP THREE OR FOUR TIMES DID YOU CATCH THAT IF YOU WANT TO JUST IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE DVR MACHINES, YOU WANT TO REWIND IT, LISTEN TO IT AGAIN. >> YOU COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'LL BE HERE WHEN YOU COME BACK. >> WAS IT A SLIP AT THE TIME POSSIBLY BUT FORMER TRUMP, IS LIKE CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, ALYSSA FARAH, THEY'VE ALL SAID TRUMP PRIVATELY ACKNOWLEDGED HE LOST THE 2020 ELECTION, BUT YOU CAN HEAR IT THERE. >> WE HEARD IT. WE JUST HEARD IT WE JUST HEARD IT AND PUBLIC TRUMP CONTINUES TO PERPETUATE THE LIE THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN THE RADICAL LEFT DEMOCRATS RIG THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 2020. THE FACTS ARE IN THEY, NOW THEY SEE IT AS A RIGGED ELECTION. >> THE ELECTION WAS A RIGGED ELECTION IS STOLEN. >> ELECTION RECORDING COMES FROM AN INTERVIEW TRUMP DID WITH THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK EXAMINING HIS REALITY TV STARDOM APPRENTICE AND WONDERLAND, HOW DONALD TRUMP AND MARK BURNETT TOOK AMERICA THROUGH THE LOOKING GRASS, LOOKING GLASS, I SHOULD SAY WITH ME NOW, AUTHOR REMAIN. >> SO TOO DOES HE HE'S ALSO THE EDITOR IN CHIEF CO EDITOR AND CHIEF OF VARIETY, REMAIN SORRY TO BOTCH, THE TITLE OF THE BOOK, BUT IT'S A GREAT BOOK. LOOKS GREAT AND THANKS FOR COMING ON JUST TO GIVE YOU THE PUSHBACK FIRST AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. THEY POSTED TONIGHT ON X THAT YOU'RE LYING IN A SAD, DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO SELL YOUR BOOK. BUT REMAIN IN THE RECORDING. IT'S FASCINATING WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE LIKE ALYSSA FARAH AND CASSIDY HUTCHINSON SAY THEY HEARD TRUMP ADMIT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE LOST THE ELECTION. OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS WE DON'T HEAR IT. >> WE DON'T HEAR THE AUDIO OF IT VERY MUCH. AND HE SEEMS TO CATCH HIMSELF AFTER SAYING HE LOST THE ELECTION. TAKE US IN THAT MOMENT, WHAT WAS THE LIGHT? >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME ON MY BOOK IS BASED ON SIX INTERVIEWS I CONDUCTED WITH DONALD TRUMP AFTER HE LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE STARTING IN 2021. >> THIS WAS FROM DE WE SPENT TOGETHER IN AUGUST OF 2021. WE WERE ACTUALLY IN A BOARDROOM IN TRUMP TOWER AND I WAS SHOWING HIM CLIPS OF THE APPRENTICE AND HAVING HIM RECALL SOME OF HIS MEMORIES OF THE CONTESTANTS AND HER ALDO WAS ONE OF THE CONTESTANTS ON THE CELEBRITY APPRENTICE, AND ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IN MY BOOK IS THAT DONALD TRUMP VIEWS THE WORLD THROUGH THE PRISM OF REALITY TV. AND IN FACT, HE STILL SEES HIMSELF IN A LOT OF WAYS AS A REALITY TV STAR. WHEN HE SAID TO ME THAT HE LOST THE ELECTION. AND YOU CAN HEAR THE INFLECTION IS VOICE. IF YOU GO BACK AND RE-LISTEN TO IT ON YOUR DVR, DVR. HERE THAT HE SAYS. AND HE PIVOTS, RIGHT. AND THEN HE SAYS, OH, I WON THE ELECTION. AND IT'S VERY DRAMATIC SWING. AND THAT IS THE ACTOR AND DONALD TRUMP, BUT THAT IS THE PERFORMANCE ARTISTS AND DONALD TRUMP. AND THAT IS A CHARACTER HE PLAYED ON THE APPRENTICE AS BOSS OF THE BOARDROOM, WHERE HE LEARNED HOW TO MANIPULATE THE PRESS, MANIPULATE CAMERAS, AND CHANGE THE NARRATIVE TO SUIT THE REALITY THAT HE WANTS IS A REALITY STAR YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE THE MASK CAME DOWN FOR A MOMENT. >> HE BROKE CHARACTER FOR A MOMENT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT DENNIS RODMAN DENNIS ROBIN ALSO CAME UP IN YOUR INTERVIEW. >> HE MET WITH NORTH KOREAN DICTATOR KIM JONG-UN AND 2013 AND TRUMP ALSO PRAISED ROBINS DATING LIFE. LET'S LISTEN TO THIS DENNIS WAS PRETTY COOL CAT IN MANY WAYS. I'LL TELL YOU IT LOOKED HE DATED MADONNA WHEN SHE WAS THE NUMBER ONE PERSON YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING GOING RIGHT INTO REMAINED APPARENTLY HE GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT WHY DENNIS RODMAN IS MAYBE BETTER THAN A TYPICAL STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL IN DEALING WITH KIM, THE LIKES OF KIM JONG-UN HE DOES. HE SAYS THAT HE'S BETTER THAN THE GUYS THAT GRADUATE FROM HARVARD AND KNOW ABOUT FOREIGN DIPLOMACY. BUT IT IS VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT EXPLAINS DONALD TRUMP HE VIEWS THE WORLD THROUGH THE CURRENCY OF FAME. >> AND THE FACT THAT DENNIS RODMAN GOT TO DATE MADONNA IS SEEN AS AN INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT IN DONALD TRUMP'S EYES. >> HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE CARDIAC ASHLEY NC CLAIMED THAT HE'S NEVER SEEN THEIR SHOW, BUT THEIR LEVEL OF FAME. HE UNDERSTANDS DONALD TRUMP WANTS FAME. AND AS A REALITY STAR, HE WAS TAUGHT THAT RATINGS EQUALS SUCCESS EQUAL RENEWAL. AND THAT'S WHY HE'S ALWAYS SO FOCUSED ON HIS POLL NUMBERS BECAUSE HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN THIS ENDORSEMENT THAT PEOPLE LIKE HIM, THAT THEY FOLLOW HIM AND HE THINKS OF THAT IS HOW WE CAN GET RENEWED FOR MORE EPISODES. THAT'S WHAT HE VIEWS HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUNS AS AS LIKE BIG RE-UP FOR ANOTHER SEASON THAT AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO FASCINATING ABOUT YOUR BOOK, IS THAT YOU LOOK AT TRUMP'S THROUGH THIS PRISM THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SPENT ENOUGH TIME LOOKING THROUGH AND YOU MET WITH TRUMP SIX TIMES AS YOU WROTE ABOUT THE SHOW. AND AFTER ALL OF THIS, AFTER HE LEFT THE WHITE WHITE HOUSE, IS THAT RIGHT WHAT WERE THESE INTERACTIONS LIKE BETWEEN YOU AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT WHEN YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WAS SORT OF WHY MAYBE HE SLIPPED UP A LITTLE BIT 30 ADMITTED HE LOST THE ELECTION BECAUSE HE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AN AREA WHERE HE WAS COMFORTABLE TV, REALITY TV TEN BEING A SHOWMAN, WHICH IS WHAT HE PRIZES AS HIMSELF ON. HE TOLD ME HE'S ONE OF THE WORLD'S GREATEST STORYTELLERS AND THAT'S WHY HE GETS THESE HUGE RATINGS WHEN HE DOES INTERVIEWS. AND HE WAS ALSO VERY COMFORTABLE WITH ME. THAT IS HOW I WAS ABLE TO GET HIM TO BRING HIS GUARD DOWN. HE WAS HAPPIEST WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HIS MEMORIES OF BEING ON THE APPRENTICE. HE WAS CRANKY US AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WHEN HE RELIVED HIS DAY THIS IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. HE WAS VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T BROADLY LIKED, IT WASN'T ABOUT POLICY FOR HIM. IT WASN'T ABOUT LEGISLATION FOR HIM. IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE HIM OR THEY SAID THINGS ABOUT HIM, OR FAMOUS PEOPLE SAID THINGS ABOUT HIM. AND HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ACTUALLY TRYING TO SETTLE THEN DEAD AS WITH THE LIKES OF DEBORAH MESSING OR MARTHA STEWART OR OTHER CELEBRITIES THAT HAD SPOKEN BAD THINGS THAT SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT HIM IN THE PRESS YEAH. >> I MEAN, I COVERED TRUMP AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON HIS TWITTER FEED, WE RECOVERED. HE OBSESSED OVER CELEBRITIES AND WHETHER THEY LIKED HIM OR DISLIKED HIM IT MADE YOU THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW? YOU'RE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, BUT FASCINATING THE WORLD THAT YOU TOOK US INSIDE WITH THIS BOOK REMAINS TO, TO, TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT. REMAINS