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Union received nearly 50 million e or 54 million us from Africans whose shenen Visa applications were rejected and but I feel badly about the fact that many of of these spouses have been separated families have been separated and um so we're working to get you know you probably know there's eight different kinds of visas to go to the United States we've made progress on many of them and we've made progress on that but not enough so are we saying that it is a a timing issue as opposed to a refusal issue oh it's a timing issue H Africa and America he is an embassy an embassy is here to help people if you want to go for Holiday to America if you want to study you are an African you can never be white we can never be white we can only be African applying to either study holiday whatever in America but if you already see on your system that a person doesn't qualify for the Visa then why take them to the counter where they pay 3,600 for the Visa and go to the next counter and we deny the Visa then and first interview them if they don't qualify don't make a person like this they don't even ask anything they just say tonight you you should didn't even ask questions 3,600 just to be denied to the next coun the US Embassy and how they're basically extorting and scamming people out of money the reason why she wanted to talk about this is because a friend of hers or maybe a family member was denied Visa even though they paid almost $200 and by the way this is not just a Namibia thing this is specifically many African countries and I heard a few Caribbeans also talking about this the Visa Department the Consular department is funded by the Visa fees so during Co Visa fees went to nothing so there was and there was no business so all those cular officers went off into the other parts of the American government me I'm very pleased that we didn't lay anyone off but they went and got other jobs then when the demand started to rise again we had to try to get all those people back you remember when the airlines tried to get up and running they had to bring the bagage handlers back the flight attendants back and uh um Pilots back they had to find all these people to bring them back when I got here I was a 2-year wait for an interview yeah so we did a lot of business process re-engineering we got a bit more resources I put out Point bulletin to the Embassy anyone who's worked in GV in The Last 5 Years it's your ly Deb they're coming back to G to um you know get this under control and we brought that weight down to 2 years then everyone in Kenya figured out they could get visas again so the demand went back up we brought that down and the place that we still are far behind is the spousal visas and um we're working on it I think there will be good resolution by the end of the year hi brother hi Hi how are you doing today I'm doing great how about you I'm fine nice thank you for joining Evans from Kenya um thank you for hosting me on today's um show you're welcome yeah so today want us to discuss about some situation that is happening uh with Africans uh Africans that are looking towards moving to the European regions and the Africans who are really trying so hard to make it to the USA they believe in the American dream yeah do you believe in the American dream um just like many other people I I do believe in the American dream you believe it does exist yeah it does exist some people are living big in the US and um that um to Africans is just um The American Dream you just want to get outside of Africa and um get to get um better opportunities and um live the life of your dreams wow wow but do you know in the pass of you trying to chase your life of dream you end up being a food or you end up being a business for someone else yeah that's the only problem yeah someone is praying on your belief they want to get rich from you yeah wow now this what I'm discussing right now you might have already heard about it the situation with the VISA you watch the video where this woman uh she was I think she was once an ambassador of Kenya I think she still is the ambassador of Kenya she she is of USA to Kenya yeah she was able to explain how the Visa processes works and uh there people of America have discovered that Africa are really really are thirsty of going to the USA and going to Europe and so they are capitalizing on this thirst now without further Ado I want us to watch this video look at it and then we shall react on it sure let's do that all right the European Union received nearly 50 million e or 54 million us from Africans whose shenen Visa applications were rejected in 2023 approximately 670,000 Africans had their visa app ation declined a TR Africa analysis of the European Union data reveals in 2023 some 2.5 million Africans sought shenen Visa against a total of 10.3 million people worldwide a shenen Visa allows people from non-european Union or Allied countries a short stay of up to 90 days in a sixth month period ing to the EU there are 26 countries within the shenen Zone today they include Italy Spain the Netherlands Belgium Denmark and Austria shenen visas come in three forms single entry multiple entry and Airport transit for single entry just as the name suggests it allows you entry into the shenen area only once on the approved Visa the multiple entry Visa allows you several visits to the shenen area for as long as the Visa is valid an airport transit Visa allows you to get to another country through an airport in the shenen area a Shen visa application previously cost €80 or $85 but now cost €90 or 100 us for adults and $50 for children age between 6 and 12 the fees are non-refundable regardless of the outcome of your application the 670,000 rejected Visa applications by Africans accounted for nearly 41% of the funds EU raised from Visa fees globally in 2023 Morocco Algeria South Africa Egypt and Tunisia had the highest number of applications in Africa all above 160,000 each the others with high number of applications are Nigeria Angola civo Sagal and Kenya all of these countries had more than 56,000 applications each some 43,000 Nigerians who failed to get the Visas lost nearly $3 million while some 13,000 Kenyans lost about $900,000 approximately 20,000 Gans lost $1.4 million and 388,000 applicants from Morocco Algeria Egypt and Tunisia lost a combined amount of nearly $25 million all the 120 applications by Liberia were approved macius bwana Namibia Zambia and sa Tom and Principe had less than 400 applications rejected each when applying for a shenen Visa one must fill an application form produce a recent passport size photograph have a valid passport travel medical insurance and application fee a cover letter explaining the purpose of one's visit and a three-month statement proving financial means are also needed for children the applications must be signed by their parents or legal guidance while applying for a shenen Visa once request must be submitted to the Embassy of the country the applicant plans to visit the common reason people are denied shenen visas include questionable criminal records false documents incomplete forms and clear reasons for the visit insufficient funds and unauthenticated certificate of birth or marriage other reasons are failing to present travel itinerary having invalid travel insurance and failure to present proof of accommodation Visa processing normally takes between 15 and 45 days wow wow wow that's very powerful brother it's so powerful what the woman is saying because I just I just can't understand why the was to do such a thing um the one thing I want to make clear before we continue the lady outlined the reasons as to why somebody could be denied a shenen Visa MH and um many of times here in Africa um the reasons as to people are denied visas is not even from the list that she mentioned she mentioned um invalid um travel insurance um you don't have enough money in your bank yeah enough money that that's um the statements for the last like 3 months and um all the other statements that she put in regards to being denied the Visa but now for us Africans the other day I have I have this lady that I know who wanted to go to Europe mhm yeah the region um of the topic of today and um she weirdly was told that um every other thing about um her visa is correct you know she has accommodation um his uncle is uh Citizen M of the UK oh she wanted to go to the UK in this case his uncle is a citizen MH but now she was told that um we can see you have accommodation um the your statements from the bank much is what would want requirements yeah that means you can easily sustain yourself in Europe but now we have one problem we do not see um any reason for you to come back to Africa we feel like you will over stay there because you understand our Visa is only for 90 days that's for one entry you know it's only 90 days after paying um $100 later or rather €90 later now told yo the only reason you won't come to my country is you do not have any other reason to come back to Africa you do not have a kid in Africa you do not have a husband you know I've not seen you buy land in Africa you have nothing that would push you back to Africa and I was wondering why do they wait till they have your money till they have €90 of your money that you've worked so to earn then they tell you later that now there's nothing that um can get you outside of Africa that can want can make make you come back to Africa so I have one question to the embassies as I wind up um this specific sentiment um and I address them through this camera because probably there's somebody um in the high ranks in the e in the European Union or those bodies the international bodies um does it mean that we have to pay for the €90 for you to tell us that we cannot come back to the motherland I just think that after I give out my papers the first thing after you guys notice that I do not have any tracks that would pull me back just tell me yo we do not see any other thing that would bring you back to Africa just go we do not need you to pay for the charges since we won't give you the Visa I think that's how they should be working bro they should do that you know uh what the sister has said you know she's very vocal and uh she had facts yeah yeah so she said that 41% of these people are Africans 41% of the whole world is so big and she was specific to say the Shen Jen regions you know uh the Shen Jen region they don't really use visas uh they themselves yeah with themselves they do not but they wanted to use when you got there yeah it it reminds me of a situation in Namibia do you know what Namibia did not really Namibia just invited some boys to his party think of Namibia like a friend you're my friend okay okay so I invite you to my party you and other 31 other people let's say 100 guys you come I invite other people now after you coming to my party you also hold your own party party M and you fail to invite me and they say h I invited you to my party you don't want to invite me to your party you know what I decide mhm never ever come to my party yeah Namibia had opened its gates to very many European countries and many other Asian countries Visa free entry into Namibia and then after doing this Namibia was expecting an equivalent reciprocation I invite to my party you must invite me to [Music] yours now what happens is other countries refused to offer Namibia that Visa including the giant USA the mighty USA we had Japan we had France we had Germany we have many of those shenen countries they refused that if a namia citizen is to go there they need to have a Visa M but if they come here they need no Visa you know what Namibia did Namibia told them no if your people come here they need visas also ah nice nice and it's something it's something that's really really important it reminds me of what aloot said I don't know if you watch that video um I I watch a lot of videos but the one with a dangote uhhuh what did he say he is the richest man in in Africa yeah you know how much Africans we bow down to money yeah but you know total energies M the petroleum company yeah do you know it's owned by a french guy yeah I know that yeah so one time the French tyon and aliko dangote are having this Summit in Rwanda and Alo dangote says one interesting thing that in Africa the French man is more free and can move freely than African Alo dangote there are places in Africa thato dangote has to show his Visa not passport Visa but the French man moves easily what's that brother a white man is free in Africa than an African is crazy you know you know it's it's so crazy how Africans behave and what would be an interpretation of what at dangote said because if it can happen to a tycoon how much worse can it happen to people like me and you 100 times worse it's h it's a worse thing that can happen you know I think Africa belongs to Africans I'm not saying this in a negative way Africa belongs to Africans and I think Africans should uh bring Africans first if you want us to invite to go to the party bring Africans first to the party invite Africans first you can't go the way invite America Germany and and you leave your country here I think I think um that's one of the mistakes that probably Namibia did yes because they went to invite um the Western Nations to their party but forgot um some African countries you know because I do believe that um Namibia doing greatly because the most African countries do not actually need to apply for Visa you just get to Namibia and um it's sted I do not think that um we Kenyans do need visas when we go to Namibia mhm but um as you putting it I think it's high time that Africans try and invite other Africans um to their parties yes within our soil so that um it's easier even for us to start inviting the Western countries and for them inviting us to their parties because if we are united as a people then it's easier for us to just um move like one one block and um be able to be invited by the superpowers in this case so if we cannot be United amongst ourselves there's no way they will um give us these um opportunities look at the Shenzhen region they are taking advantage of us do you know why they're taking advantage because with themselves they already United you know they just came as one block then say um Africans we need you to apply for a Visa we need 90 from you guys they are benefiting from Africans but then they are united the 26 countries are benefiting from the whole of Africa just imagine if all these 50s something countries from Africa could Unite with themselves form one block and tell the Europeans also when you come to Africa we need you guys to apply for a Visa then we do the same things that they are doing for us because there's a story that um has been recurring time and again there's not there's nothing new they've been doing the same things since um the early 90s you know till now Africans are going through the same things they the same people who introduced the Visa yeah they brought Visa here and they left it here yeah and they went home without it yeah and they divided us and um went and um unified their people themselves you know so it's times it's time that we Africans open up our minds um be people who are driven by our own Unity for us to be successful even as we pursue um to go and um get those um American dream that we do have yeah we just must be United and that's why people like um Julius malma are failing terribly in Africa imagine because Africans do not want for fellow Africans to unite each other shame on us man shame on us uh speaking of Julius malma you know I was shocked by the results actually I expected it myself uh like number four bro um if if if we can um touch on that just lightly um I've done a lot of research of South Africa and um the one thing I noticed with South Africans South Africans don't get these wrongly it's just my point of view after critically looking at um videos from South Africa the comment section and what South Africans really want for their country they do not want people who want um you know South Africa feels like a superpower in Africa that's the cream de la cream of Africa you know that's the USA of Africa so um they tend um to be um confin to their country and they do not want other Africans to come and prosper in the South African Dream I think you I think I know what you're saying you know I think there's something that happened there yeah so they try so much um to push away people who want to come and settle in South Africa like this is our South Africa but welcome white people funny enough so when a malma pushes for the notion of African Unity that's where he just loses it you know they want people who push for the ideology of South AFA Africa but not for Africa they'd say work on your country on your own selves work on your country Kenya work on Kenya Uganda work on Uganda you know don't don't come and tell us you want to unify with us work on your countries because they tend to believe that they've worked on South Africa and that's where malma just L it nobody would vote for a leader in South Africa who wants the unity of Africa that's where we are failing as a people when it comes um to how we treated by the Europe Union to how we are treated by the US OFA because ourselves we are enemies we are not United man but um um I I I I'd want to commend that Africans are also trying because right now we as um Kenyans can go to South Africa Visa free yeah 90 days 90 days Visa all go up there and Hike uh The Table Mountain yeah we can see the table mountains and um all those beautiful beautiful landscapes in Cape Town we go to Johannesburg but now they'd be sad if we take more than 9 days there who wants to stay in South Africa okay love country Kenya okay um there there was um there was that other video that you wanted us to react on to wow so there's also this other video I want us to talk about where these uh this US ambassador she revealed a lot of heavy information that is happening you know we are living in the times of Revelation I don't know if you realize that yeah yeah things are coming out things out of nowhere it's it's it's that time that leaders from all over the world are just coming and telling people the truth and you wonder where did they get the guts who spoke to them and you notice that um it's just God working in the leaders worldwide in ways that we human beings cannot understand we saw that with Russia yeah what he said yeah when um Putin um said that um indeed Jesus was a black man and um they removed it from their oldest Vault and um he did not shy from saying that it's time that people are starting to accept and um be vocal with issues that um probably you'd you'd hide yes yes is in the studio the ambassador of the United States to Kenya sometimes people call her Kenya's Chief marketing or Investments officer and ambassador to the US Margaret megman good morning baloi good morning thank you for having me welcome to the hot seat of The Situation Room happy to be here how does it feel feels good M K what do your friends call you can we call you Meg you can call me Meg oh good welcome Meg thank you City here has the day's proverb every week City goes to one African country he's a researcher so he researches the best Proverbs in that country then he brings us one proverb a day now your job number one is to listen to the proverb job number two is to give us your interpretation of the proverb okay all right City yes this this week we are in we're in the Republic of Malawi but I will certainly not Call Her Excellency Meg that I will not what would you call her your Excellency okay it is only when the flood is gone that you can claim to be lucky it's only when the flood is gone that you can claim to be lucky yes what's your interpretation of this proverb well thank you for that and it's great to be here I think what that proverb is trying to say is when the flood is gone you see what's really left and sometimes it's only you and your family and um you have lost all your Poss sessions and so sometimes you realize that you can be lucky to be alive and to have a very small number of things and sometimes we get caught up in the materialism of the world but when the flood is gone what really matters is still left so what's the lesson lesson be grateful for what you have and be resilient great it's a good one so Kenya is marking Kenya and us are marking 60 years of diplomatic ties and this will be marked by a state visit visit by President William Ruto to America to be hosted by President and Dr Joe Biden why a state visit what's the difference between a state visit and the other visits that President Ruto himself and other presidents have had to the US yeah so the state visit is really the highest honor that a country and a head of state can have and it has all the formalities of a dinner at the White House what they call a state dinner then there is obviously a bilateral engagement between the cabinet of the United States and the cabinet of Kenya in this case and there is a very formal welcome ceremony and then lots of interactions with other branches of the government and um the people of the United States so it's it's very formal um and really a very big honor for the Kenyan people so how big is it of a difference between what this visit is going to be versus the others for example president huru Kenyata had several visits to the White House and to the president yes but I don't think he had what we call a state dinner okay at the White House there'll be 3 to 400 people um from a broadc cross section of Americans a broadc cross section of Kenyans and the diaspora by the way you know there's a very large number of prominent Kenyans who are now Kenyan Americans and many of them have been invited and so that is a very formal and um a big honor most when a you know a normal visit to the United States by any head of state never involves a state dinner unless it is a state visit and just to give you some perspective this Administration has had just five State visits in their first four years and this will be the sixth and final one in his first term so when you consider relations between two states any two states what would be the significance of something like this and so let's look specifically then at the US and Kenya and to say then like you said other visits have taken place between President of Kenya and uh presidents of the United States but a state visit what's the significance of this in the relations between the two countries I think it really does two things it underscores the strength of the Rel relationship between Kenya and the United States you know we've been working together for 60 years on Regional peace and security on trade and investment on shared now recently climate Solutions and this has been quite a tight working relationship for many years it's had its ups and downs like every relationship but it has been a very solid relationship and I think it is an acknowledgement of that relationship on the occasion of of the 60th anniversary if you will of the partnership and uh and it will have the highest level of the United States government really focused on this and we will discuss a lot of issues that are important to both countries how would you define or describe us Kenya relations or the relationship today um I would say um in a word it is excellent it is deep it is Broad um as I said it it spans from Regional peace and security to trade and investment to a Health Partnership um we've been working with the Kenyon Kenyans on health malaria tuberculosis HIV aids for many many many years um digital and Technology cooperation um I think one of the reasons I was asked to be the ambassador to Kenya was because of silicon Savannah um today Kenya is the technology capital of East Africa and actually probably the technology capital of the entire continent and we will talk about that and the digi digitalization actually of of the continent and I should also say I think this is a recognition of the importance of Africa to the United States Kenya is the company country that's being honored but it is an an under I think it's a recognition that Africa is a very very important continent um certainly to the world but particularly to America in the next 20 years why well as you all know by 2050 one in four people on Earth will live in Africa and one in three working age people will live in Africa so it's going to be the Locust of population it will be the youngest population therefore it's the working age and it will be the largest consumer Market in 2015 so that makes everyone need to stand up and say you know what are we going to do with Africa right I've watched many of your presentations so far in many events and you go very very big on saying why Kenya why Africa I don't bother about the other Africa B I just bother on what you're saying about why Kenya and you're big on those things and saying um the future the kind of society that we have the education the opportunities the everything about Kenya and then why American companies should come and invest here what I've noticed is that you then that's why I say you are marketing Kenya to American companies to say come and invest in this country a market difference from your predecessors we're used to American ambassadors coming to Kenya and going gangho on Democracy on the rule of law on corruption on you know and dangling the aid carrot and saying so we're going to give you Aid or we're going to withdraw Aid or we're going to suspend Aid because you're not doing this and the other and threatening sanctions to some political leaders of players and business people not to visit America because of one reason or the other you've not done that is this your brief or is this your style probably a little bit of both um when I was asked to come as I said um it was really my technology background that I think the president of the United States thought was a very good match for Kenya but you also have to remember I'm not a career Foreign Service Officer I am actually a business person I spent my entire 40-year career running companies and um I didn't know much about Africa I'd been here on business but I had not lived outside the United States before and um had certainly um you know been to Kenya but only probably three or four times on business and what I understood here almost immediately was the potential of this country and I think frankly what Kenya and Africa needs um the most is jobs jobs jobs good jobs for young people you know today there's a million college graduates in Kenya I think every year about 300,000 of which get get jobs that are befitting if you will of a college graduate so there's tremendous Talent that's underutilized and Americans are looking for places to invest looking for supply chain diversification if we learned anything from the Russian invasion of Ukraine we learned that having a single Source supply chain a single country is probably too risky and so there's lots of companies that are looking to go someplace else and guess what Kenya has that they want really great Workforce and 93% renewable energy because every company is trying to get to uh zero you know zero net emissions um to get their to their scope two scope three emissions gos so supply chain diversification and green green energy is a wonderful calling card for Kenya and we hope we can um improve foreign direct investment and create more jobs does this mean America is now less concerned about corruption and governance issues in the country well corruption as I have said in many speeches corruption is still an issue here in Kenya and what I have said is if corruption is not gotten under control it will be the reason that Kenya does not fulfill its full potential and uh so we have very Frank discussions about corruption um and we try to support an anti-corruption agenda with the government and and the country um but ultimately it's up to the Kenyans to decide that this is something they really want to tackle is there a balance of relations between Kenya and the US and when I asked that I asked that because are we looking at both countries seated at the table with equal tools with which to operate this relationship or are we seeing that the US is Big Brother to Kenya and is leading the way well I think it's it's actually quite an equal partnership on a lot of Dimensions um so first of all um the United States is the largest export market for Kenya I think next to Uganda last year we were bigger than this year Uganda I think took the first spot again but we are so we are the largest export Market which gives Kenyans a very big seat at the table um and then in the Health Partnership yes we provide technology and knowhow and and some financials but the Kenyans Implement what has been a remarkably successful pep far program here I would say that that has been one of the the Hallmarks of our 60-year partnership so yes the United States a much bigger economy but I would say and Regional peace and security you're leading the way there we're you know behind the scenes trying to help um so I'd say it's quite equal um probably the advantage that America has is a much bigger economy speaking of Bea C MH yes uh you you saw the movement of my hands yes what I've often marveled that is why it is the US doesn't hop loudly enough about what Pepa has done I speak as somebody who worked in programs that were funded by Pepa and I witness firsthand what it did and I have never seen anything that has been as trans would you say for instance that some of the world's biggest tech companies whose Origins is in the US have decided to come to Kenya come to Kenya set the headquarters here why Kenya I think um that Kenya was the first company first country on the continent to have a very successful homegrown technology company it's called Mesa and Mesa took a hold here and is truly an extraordinary um Mesa I think their last report was you know they processed something like $360 billion worth of payments in 11 countries in Africa and this revolutionized payments when I was at eBay I bought a company called PayPal so I know digital payments very well I've never seen anything quite like Mesa I mean do you know that something like 60% of the GDP of Kenya goes through Mesa it's extraordinary every I mean you couldn't you couldn't move in this country without Mesa and so that was a very successful tech company and that brought lots of Eng um obviously was part of safaricom so there was homegrown engineering talent and when you think about silicon Savannah or Silicon Valley there's three ingredients one is a big tech company that is successful that then can seed talent to other smaller tech companies in in the Silicon Valley's perspective it was HP I mean for many many years almost all the employees at these tech companies started their CER at HP and you're seeing that here in Kenya they started at safaricom or Mesa they're now at startups second is Capital industry you probably know that um Kenya was the single largest destination for startup capital in 2023 on the continent more startup Capital than Nigeria sorry about that um no you're Nigeria you're Nigeria um uh more startup Capital we revisit we shall revisit and more than South Africa which is kind of amazing because those two those two economies are bigger yeah and then finally is um uh connectivity um and Kenya's making real progress on connectivity and then last good engineering schools and Kenya has good engineering schools whether it's University of Nairobi whether it's Strathmore K Joo Kenyata or I think a gem that hardly anyone talks about is dut University in nier right damati University so I mean of course with these relations then we have to ask an immigration Consular question and uh with the great relations people are going to travel back and forth so it's easier for Americans to come here than it is for Kenyans to go to the US um one of the big questions is spousal visas for individual who may be on the other side and are not able to get their visas for their spouses to join them and we're not talking about months we're talking about years for this to happen what's the hold up yeah so when I got here um what remember what happened during covid is no one wanted to go anywhere and the Visa Department the Consular department is funded by Visa fees so during Co Visa fees went to nothing so there was and there was no business so all those Consular officers went off into the other parts of the American government me I'm very pleased that we didn't lay anyone off but they went and got other jobs then when the demand started to rise again we had to try to get all those people back do you remember when the airlines tried to get up and running they had to bring the baggage handlers back and the flight attendants back and the uh um Pilots back we had to find all these people to bring them back when I got here it was a two-year wait for an interview yeah so we did a b a lot of business process reengineering we got a bit more resources I put out an all points bulletin to the Embassy anyone who's worked in conselor in the last 5 years it's your lucky day you're coming back to consulate to um you know get this under control and we brought that weight down to two years then everyone in Kenya figured out they could get visas again so the demand went back up we brought that down and the place that we still are far behind is espousal visas and um we're working on it I think there will be good resolution by the end of the year and but I feel badly about the fact that many of of these spouses have been separated families have been separated and um so we're working to get you know the you probably know there's eight different kinds of visas to go to the United States we've made progress on many of them and we've made progress on that but not enough so are we saying that it is a a timing issue yes as opposed to a refusal issue oh it's a timing issue um I mean that we do refuse people for visas for very very good reasons but that's not the major problem here it's actually a resource and a processing time issue so what would you say to the folks who are waiting and saying okay well it's been 3 years yeah you know hang in there we're working on it we're working on it and I I I want to resolve it as fast as as we can M do you think the cost for an American visa is Justified you know I don't set those prices and um so it's hard for me to know um they do support those Visa vs do support a very large organization and a processing capability and I I don't think I had an appreciation as a private American citizen um not working in the State Department of the work the very good work that the Consular department does it's a very difficult job and um you know you're seeing hundreds of people a day you're trying to make decisions um and you're very aware of um the cost of being wrong the cost of being wrong um and letting in for example the 911 hijackers it's a big problem and and so you have to be very thoughtful about you know trying to do the right thing to be fair to people to be responsive to be customer service oriented at the same time you have to be very thoughtful right um about who you let in because what we hear very many complaints of people who have applied for an American visa they have endured the long wait finally they get the day to go to the Embassy and just few minutes they get the wrong slip yeah and that's it their money their time gone yes without adequate explanation as to why they're not getting the Visa so what do they need to improve on so what so one of the issues is is there room for an explanation a bit a better explanation instead of just giving somebody the sleep yeah and two is there room for partial or full refund of the visa fee application fee there isn't room for a partial or full refund on the visa fee that's just not the way the the thing works so but it was a good try it was a good try um and uh I think we try to give people a bit of a sense there are um you know laws and regulations about what we can say and what we can't say and um the only thing I can say to the Kenyans that are listening to this is I think we have a remarkable team and conselor who are doing the very best job they can still underresourced by the way the Consular Department globally is still under resourced two years after Co that's how long it takes to train and and get all these people back um so um I think we're making big progress is it where we all want it to be not yet but I think we're making real progress I think most Kenyans at least when I I'm around and about they say well at least I was able to get an interview you know in a couple months yeah andless said I know your team is saying that you have very many other engagements but just a couple of minutes as we ask the important questions you mentioned that one of the things that's attracting American investors into Kenya is our parix we are we are going to be 100% green energy this is the president's commitment we already pass 90% okay are American companies investing in energy sector in yes in not areas yes so um the capetto wind farm was just got a second round of financing um by one big very big American PE company private Equity company and you know the capetto um uh sorry not capetto turana wind farm the T Wind Farm Lake to wind yeah the wind farm up there um I think provides about 20% of all electricity in Kenya and quite good rates um geothermal um there's going to be I think a number of Big Data Centers built in navasha um or Nuru because they're so close to you know very uh cost-effective 5 cents a kilowatt hour um geothermal and then some and then solar the cost of solar panels is coming down dramatically and um there's many off-grid companies in um Kenya that provide uh solar power to your house um that are off- grid and those are growing very very fast and a lot of people are putting in their own solar panels to reduce the cost of of electricity to their home or their business hydrogen I think the long awaited video has ended yeah yeah yeah and she's revealed a lot of uh information you know if we try and look at this issue from the perspective of a white person try and look at it from the perspective of a white person not an African you see why they place the Visas and they see why they are so hard on it I think they are being extra and that is what is creating the problem the problem is not you know they're trying to pre to prevent another 911 you've heard of what happened there the World Trade Center M yeah so they're trying to prevent such happenings and that's why in the airports there's such strict uh policies but in the Visa they are trying to prevent things from happening that's why they have those rules the problem comes in when they know you're going to fail from the beginning and they still accept the money and the money is not refundable my question is she said that some of this some of those currency they use to pay their stuff but those are money for the people who have succeeded what about the money of the people who have not succeeded where does it go these all um visa thing is a scheme just to rip out money from Desperate Africans who want to go and pursue the American dream because I I tend to believe that if many want to go to the US MH um they can as well um get money from the approvals of Visa applications the approved Kenyans by themselves can also pay the workers who work in these embassies but why do they get um um so um greedy to an extent that they want to take even money of people who've been refused um to get the American visa mhm you know they can they can just take the money of the people who' succeeded only you know I I I really wish I really wish they they could bring up a system where just to be fair um that um if you go to their embassies just for the time for the workers they should get at least um a little figure just um for the process it could be a fee that um is commissioned specifically for the let let me say they interview their time let's say even um around $30 where you just go sit down with them and they tell you if you able to get the visa or not at least there's money you're willing to throw away yeah at least there's a a little percentage of the 100% that you're willing to spare just to know if you are able to get this Visa or not then you're advised on other um measures or other things that are required for you to get this Visa you know if things could have been done that way it could be easier for them to create um the income they want to pay their workers and also get to give Kenyans value for money as they apply for these visas I'd really wish that Meg Hitman could come with policies um with their government in the US to soften the process you I do not have to go through a mental breakdown that I did not get an opportunity to go to the US and also get my pocket dry at the same time you know these are two things that ago mhm um the other day I saw something that really at broke me yes and I am saying this feeling so so bad it's something that is so so emotional there's this actress a comedian who was denied an opportunity to go to the US a Kenyan a Kenyan um comedian she's a lady I think she's called s j or something actress m this comedian has an issue that wanted um a surgery in the US you know I think they should also bring up policies where they can easily Grant visas for people who are in dire need of them yeah this is an emergency this is a health situation and um she was advised that the best country to handle the surgery that she was set to have was the a Hospital in the US you know so after she was told this she went to the Embassy you know remember she has the papers to show that um she's able to sustain herself there at the same time um she's able to pay for the bill in the hospital there you know she's not going to leave to the USA she's not going there because of the American dream she's not going there for work a medical emergeny she has a medical emergency an emergency that that herself she could not manage to pay but singlehandedly she in she asked Kenyans of Goodwill to come together help her gather the funds we are talking about Millions she was able to get the funds but the US Embassy denied her the Visa the the the the operation was set in us to happen today June 17th I guess yeah this was the day June 17th but they've been refusing to Grant her the Visa you know they want to get money from Desperate citizens of our country imagine somebody who's sick who has the papers that shows that she's needed to a hospital um I'd really want to ask the Ambassador and the relevant authorities in Kenya and in the US OFA how do they handle such situations situations where people are sick situations where people are in dire need it could be their loved ones who died in the US they want to transport them back to Kenya they need to reach there what are these policies that they are putting in place for such people you know sickness is not Comfort sickness is not um pursuing all these other things that people go to get um in usov that really had had broke my heart and I was so pissed off even with our government because they could easily try and um talk to these um immigration in the US of because now the ministry of um the Ministry of Health has failed in Kenya Ministry of Health because I do tend to believe that the CES of Health should push for these policies in terms of um medical um emergencies medical emergencies all over the world the Ministry of Health should um interact with um these um Representatives like the yeah they mitigate situation they should mitigate they should come up with the policies I'd also want um to to say that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has failed in Kenya because at the same time they should also mitigate and make it happen MH you know this somebody who's sick even if it's possible the Ministry of Health in Kenya should cater okay okay for the fees you know the point is the government should work and do the government work yeah the only thing they're saying right now is that um Kenya has good ties with the US of it's been 60 years of good ties with Kenya but they cannot Grant a sick person Visa man you know there's what we call uh collateral damage M what do you understand by the term collateral damage like I I I I do tend to believe it's um it's something that is already spoiled is which uh it might not have been the main target of being destroyed but in order to achieve a greater good greater good in quotes let's say he someone like Bin Laden and when they wanted to you know now they go there and they find that they can't reach him individually and they find maybe there are some kids playing around his house and you know they have some planes up there now they're trying to calculate how much H has been lad Costas and how much is the lives of these children so for the greater good they PE the kids and it go boom boom so the kids are called collateral damage nobody accounts for that you never hear them on the papers so the case for you for the actress and the case for your friend those are collateral damages I'm not happy saying this yeah sure I don't take Delight in saying this but truth be told when the when the woman is saying that Kenya has good ties maybe it has good ties with those big families the Kenyata family as long as you have cash your father is influential you going to go to the USA you know the bigger picture but there's something here they don't account for and I can't blame them we have we are so many people so they just go with the rule that works for the greater people for the for the majority yes so cases that we are having here down are collateral damages ing to them they don't they account to nothing of which they should account to something yes but now um I always tell people that if you do not have um a solution or rather you cannot reach the relevant um sources at times it's good to do what we doing here because we tend to create awareness of what is happening down yes um here on the ground exactly I do believe that um where we are posting um this video is a bigger platform than Kenyans are or rather we are mhm but now if we um push create awareness or say there there could be somebody who would feel the way we are feeling and would want to make it easy for Africans for Kenyans for the ties between us and um probably a solution would be found let us die as a generation of people who advocated for problems to be solved yes people who were out there to create awareness people who took their platforms to tr to try and bring change and that's the purpose of this video we are not here to beat our CHS and try to tell people that you know what we are tired you 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