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ford government is looking to enhance ottawa's sick leave program instead of implementing a provincial version the province is offering to match the federal sick leave policy compensation if ottawa will handle administering the payments to eligible workers it would provide them with a thousand dollars a week for four weeks the ford government has been heavily criticized by experts who say a provincial sick leave program would help prevent workplace outbreaks the issue continued to top the agenda today at queen's park i'm encouraged quite frankly this is the first time that they've indicated that they want to talk to us i look forward to engaging them this afternoon to get to work on behalf of ontario workers to fill the major major gap uh in the federal program and that is 12.50 cents for ontario workers which does not encourage people to stay home uh if they're sick we're going to double that program we'll pay a hundred percent of that cost but we need the federal government's infrastructure to get those checks out quickly when i read that letter from the deputy prime minister and the treasurer or the finance minister in um in ottawa in in short it said when hell freezes over we're going to fix your problem uh it was pretty clear that the federal government has rebuffed the the province's initiative and rightfully so because it's not paid sick days what the government of ontario is suggesting is not paid sick days it's the doubling down uh on a failed federal program well for more on this we are joined live by employment lawyer dan lublin thanks as always for joining us you know obviously for the past year or so we've had several experts and icu doctors all calling for the same thing and paid sick days and there's a big difference between paid sick days and the canada recovery sickness benefits specifically that it requires uh individuals to apply for it after they are sick and it's temporary and it's restricted to cover 19. what is your take on this constant jousting between the province and the feds hey jamie bottom line is this is a political hot button issue it was political before covet 19 and it's still political now i think it's time for the ford government to stop acting political and to start listening to the medical advisors and that means a proper targeted form of paid sick leave for those workers who are forced to actually be at work not those that are working remotely and that may move the needle earlier today the prime minister said ontario's sick leave plan should involve employers rather than just topping up the existing program is that something that you think would work well the problem with the federal government program is it's inefficient and that is the main complaint it's inefficient so we have a problem here where workers need to have that access to paid sick leave in order to utilize it and then you have to make an application to a federal program for money that you'll see after the fact so i do think some form of targeted paid sick leave for those essential workers who are actually at large workplaces would make a difference and what we saw today jamie is we saw a real lunch meet proposal by the ford government which was essentially to try to piggyback on the federal program um which isn't going to really move the needle and then the federal government today just pushed it back and said no i think you need to do this inter-provincially yeah well furthermore to that uh the finance minister said when ontario is ready to mandate sick leave and provincially regulated businesses uh as we have done for federally regulated businesses we will be there to help i mean it just it really uh you know you know furthermore you know to your point that this is becoming extremely political it was from the beginning and that is not saving people's lives we are hearing from the doctors in this province that there needs to be some form of paid sick leave i think there's some political basis to everything we're hearing but putting that aside if that's what the doctors are saying then it should be done and what that what needs to happen is there needs to be very targeted sick leave it needs to be for these large workplaces where these outbreaks are happening i do think it should be temporary during the period where the covet numbers are high and that should improve the situation what kind of calls are you're getting uh are you getting in at your office about this this ongoing situation especially for those who who might have you know maybe have lost their job or they're just losing out on pay and and they're worried about you know calling in uh to work uh sick especially if they're symptomatic jamie it's an ongoing saga and the drama of this kova 19 plays out we hear terrible stories most people who are calling us with situations they're either fired or or disciplined um or displaced because of covet 19 in one way shape or form or we're getting a lot of calls from people that are saying they don't feel comfortable in the workplace physical distancing is not happening they feel forced to come in and work in situations where they're where they don't feel safe at work and people are not wearing masks so on and so forth and that's why we have a problem in this province with the number of coveted positive cases right now so if you're in a room with the premier and a bunch of his advisors what would you suggest number one stop acting political start listening to the doctors number two consider some paid sick leave for those people at large workplaces where these outbreaks are happening make it a temporary measure and make it restricted to those people who are actually physically at work as opposed to people working remotely that should solve some of the problem and make it happen now employment lawyer dan lublin with whitman and lublin employment lawyers thank you so much for joining us we always appreciate your time thanks jamie well