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thank you Laura I sat down with ABQ Ride deputy director Bobby Cisneros and principal planner Andrew DeGarmo to talk about some proposed changes to the city's bus system including some possible route changes you can watch that entire interview on the New Mexico InFocus Facebook page and you can weigh in on those changes in a survey linked in those comments now welcome back to our line opinion panel for one last segment Albuquerque citizen independent salary commission you might not have heard who they are we'll explain that voted last night to approve Wednesday night to approve salary increases for City councilors and the mayor councilors will get an 87 percent pay hike increasing their annual salary from 33 660 to 62 843 interesting number there per year the council president will receive an additional equivalent raise from 35 860 to 866 928 and the mayor's salary going up from today's 132 and a half to 146.081 and love these numbers Merit very interesting these increases will kick in following each District's next election cycle meaning 2024 for councilors in districts two four and six and eight elected this fall 2026 for counselors in districts one three five and seven and nine on the ballot in 2025. all right a lot of juice there Merit civil question these folks deserving of a raise of this scope 87 is a lot of money what about the legislature everyone in New Mexico is getting a raise except talking about the city council County Commission and the legislation I mean I I'm not I'm not I guess particularly uh upset by this because I mean as a city council uh uh they've got full-time staff um they're on call it seems like a full-time job professionalizing a city council uh seems reasonable I'm not upset by the mayor's salary that doesn't seem um uh inordinated by any means but to me it just screams why don't we professionalize our legislature and not even to not even close to city council levels but we're asking people to raise upwards of a hundred thousand dollars to campaign for an unpaid volunteer job and you know we're getting what we're getting that's right that's right it's interesting uh gut sense of the salary levels 146 for the mayor that's not unreasonable in 2023 when you think about the people that work for him getting two hundred thousand dollars and uh or much higher than what he's getting a lot of Deputy directors CAO the fire chief that's right that's right you know they're all making a lot more what is with that system why are all these other people making so much more money than the person sitting at the top it just doesn't make any sense well the charter limited I think hit the salary unless it's raised by this salary commission and it also forbid the mayor from taking any other employment you know in other cities sometimes the mayor is sort of part-time that's right and it has another job and in in Albuquerque counselors sometimes have another job too there's no prohibition on that in the charter but there is for the mayor so so he they may whoever's the mayor needs to be on the same level as Mayors in other other comparable sized city and that's what the report that they did to back up that level that's right um showed what the what the levels were in other cities and um and how big the budget was how many employees there were I think there's seven thousand city employees is that amazing that's right and they by the way each of them got a cost of living a wage increase so for people on the private side Andy would look at the mayor and that a level of employee that Senator just mentioned and say really 146 on employee base this big this complicated you know but that's government you know you're not supposed to make all the money yeah I think I think it's a fair somebody from private sector to say whether I mean you could be an associate at a law firm and make it 146 right um and and here's a position where you you essentially have to live at City Hall you know and if you're not at City Hall you're not at an event so it's sort of not only a full-time job but it's a lifestyle essentially like you're as a mayor of you're representing this city that's no longer a small town it's Albuquerque you're never off the clock yeah you're a mayor never never ever you know but the mayor said I have known in the past have said it's a great job it's a great job because when you're mayor you can actually get things accomplished and get things done that's right and people recognize it because it's in their neighborhood it's on their street it's people picking up their garbage so premiere for the money I mean I question your motive right that's a good point that's a good point let's start with mayor uh uh with this Merit on this idea is this paying increase going to encourage people who normally may not consider running for Council does the money make a difference in how you run first at that level certainly okay certainly because you could dedicate um I mean you could raise a family right really at the earlier level I mean that was really for someone who had other income had another job maybe it was retired was independently uh wealthy or single um this is something I think you could support a family own your own home educate your children with does that turn automatically into better work if you're getting better paid uh not necessarily but I think there's a better chance that you'll get people that will will be of the caliber that can make these complex decisions remember these are pretty complex decisions now and they're not um and they're not you know they're not just anybody that can make these decisions but I will say with the city council they have staff unlike legislators they have a full-time staff person to help them and usually these are the Insiders who know their way around City Hall but also can handle constituent concerns legislators have none of that but City councilors do but they also have to know how to manage to a certain degree Let's uh let's talk about what you just mentioned um Andy I'll start with you on this the idea that for state legislators nothing passed about modernization DD's organization common cause had a poll out there 64 responders support paying legislators strongly support you know it's just the numbers are there from our citizens what happened why aren't we able to hear about money for legislators versus City councilors and Mayors is it disconnected at least from my perspective and the folks that I talk to I think it's hard to get out of the mindset that it is a citizen legislature um and so it's I think for a lot of people that's what comes first is that it's a citizen that anybody can do it but the reality is not everybody can do it because not everybody can afford to to go up and spend three months um essentially not making money but I I really think that's the hang up is that people like to hold on to the fact that it's citizen legislature that's not a full-time job that it's not um a professional legislature but yeah I think it probably the time's coming yeah let me bounce to something else guys about the you probably saw the story in the journal the governor is signaling she will sign a bill increasing pay for Statewide officials it's very interesting including the governor's position which would be a 54 increase in the governor's salary that's not going to take effect until she leaves office I'm curious obviously for some of the high profile folks they haven't seen a raise in that office for a long time in 20 years since in some capacity let me start with the governor's salary is that a reasonable salary to you um I I've never felt that Statewide outside of the Judiciary I haven't felt that Statewide officials were underpaid I felt like they were doing okay and I'm just I'm so um adamant about professionalizing our legislature because if you're trying to hear a thousand bills in 60 days with a bunch of people who aren't being paid for it it just becomes it becomes a huge power play we are getting uh we're getting into our we're getting from our legislature what we're putting into it which is nothing let me talk about Senator Feldman of course we had Senate Bill 2 which was interesting this year as well uh just five dissenting votes combined it calls for a nearly 18 percent increase for all judges and last year the governor vetoed a similar measure as we take uh as we take this on Thursday she still hasn't signed it but it looks like it has a chance I'm just sending your opinion on on this idea of why we haven't paid our court people and and we're doing enough now with this bill no I mean yes this bill will help okay this bill will help it's really shameful what we have done with our our Judiciary we need a real professional and the Judiciary has been so hard-pressed during covet and have risen to the occasion and yet they have not been rewarded so I really hope she signs this bill and does not pocket veto it as she did last time right um because um it's all pegged really to what a federal judge is federal Magistrate Judge is paid and that's that's a good Benchmark got you I think um and you know it's uh you know on the other on the other stuff that we were talking about the Statewide officials and their salaries um you know it's a tricky business the legislature is setting these salaries um unlike the Constitutional Amendment that was proposed and unlike what the city is doing they are saying there should be an independent group that should decide what the salary level is not the people that themselves and of course with the legislators it's even more important because they would it would appear that they were giving themselves a salary that's right but it's true for the city council but um you know the judges the judges have um have a real need there and they have been overlooked for many years it's a talent issue when you think about that in some Industries we're paying bottom third in the country we're nationally for uh judicial salaries are we attracting the best and brightest do we need the best and brightest I would argue we do absolutely I think I I think actually we we as a society and State uh put a lot of pressure on judges in particular there's a very high standard for just the way you present yourself in everyday life you're very limited in what you can say who you can say things to where you know um and we and we absolutely should hold them to a high standard but um also pay them for that good point there hey guys great conversation thanks again uh be sure to let us know what you think about any of the topics the line covered on our Facebook Twitter or Instagram pages and catch up on any episodes you may have missed on the PBS app which is really cool where your Roku or smart TV