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artificial intelligence it has the potential to wipe out Humanity now that is the Stark message from hundreds of AI scientists researchers and tech industry leaders they've signed a statement calling for Urgent action to reign in the technology you see it right here it's not a long at all only 22 words and it reads mitigating the risk of Extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war now this is remarkable because the creators of AI those pushing its development further they are going public and asking the powers that be to regulate them but which Powers should that be the European Union and the United States are expected to draft a voluntary code of conduct on artificial intelligence in the next coming weeks it's not binding voluntary will that work we have this report Ambassador Catherine Thai coordination and cooperation two recurring deems as top U.S and EU officials discussed the digital transition at a meeting of the trade and Technology Council in Sweden top of the agenda was regulating artificial intelligence Technologies the next weeks we we cross also taking industry input taking input from Independence and then of course invites colleagues to sign up for the drafting in order to have very very soon a final proposal for a code of conduct for industry to commit to voluntarily the US and EU are hoping others will join their efforts to reign in AI we had a very intensive and I think productive discussion on artificial intelligence today including generative AI I think we share a conviction that the TTC has an important role to play in helping establish voluntary codes of conduct that would be open to all like-minded countries earlier this month G7 leader has also called for a set of Standards to keep AI trustworthy addressing issues such as governance transparency and the threat of disinformation now Brussels and Washington are hoping their plans will be the first major step towards a larger comprehensive legal framework on my first guest tonight is Roman yampolski associate professor of computer science at the University of Louisville he is one of the signatories of the statement on AI risk Mr yampolski it's good to have you with us let me ask you then I mean what compelled you to sign this statement why do you think artificial intelligence could pose an existential risk to all of us well I've been worried about it for about a decade it's really nice to see so many big names agree and finally sign on under the same agenda we have to figure out how to control this technology it is becoming more capable at hyper exponential rate it will be as smart or smarter than us maybe in the next iteration maybe in a few years and we have not done much to prepare for it standard approach is for technology to develop and then later government tries to figure out how to govern it cryptocurrencies are a great example we had Bitcoin for a decade and only now we're starting to see some legislation to deal with it we cannot afford the same mistakes with AI this technology will be transformative in terms of economy in terms of culture and possibly in terms of Safety and Security I mean I I agree with you that the changes that are that are coming that are happening now are happening um quickly but I think for most people though when we're talking about AI the really the only contact that they can that's really tangible for them would be maybe you know with a chat bot for example chat GPT so how do we get from that to something AI that would be able to annihilate Humanity I mean is there any time Horizon there that you could imagine well we don't know what's going to happen specifically or how but we already know that those chat Bots those large language models are capable of programming computers they are passing law exams passing medical exams so in many ways we're already smarter than an average person and that's only happened in what the last three years so if we extrapolate that I'm just imagining it we've seen this incredible development in a very short period of time um where do you think we're going to be by the end of this decade I mean that's a that's a doable amount of time to if you want to predictives and it or is it are all you know bets off and we're talking about AI well a couple years ago it used to be that people said it will take 20 years maybe a hundred years now there are very serious people experts in the field who think it might happen in a year or two it's not majority but it's a possibility the next iteration GPT 5 may be trained to the point where it exceeds human capabilities and as of right now we don't have any safety protocols in place we don't know how to control such systems in fact we know that there are certain limitations in our ability to explain how large neural networks work predict behavior of such systems or properly allocate resources to deal with them there are risks posed by AI right now that that we can't talk about I mean in the current state of development we're talking about perpetuating biases promoting misinformation rigging elections are just some of these possible risks should we be focusing more on dealing with those issues now than worrying about the existential threats of the future well there's plenty of people who avoided about ethics of AI bias it has been a fruitful area of research for many years it makes sense to allocate a proportion of our research budget which is huge for AI capabilities research to making sure it doesn't kill everyone that seems to be somewhat important of course then AI is biased and somebody gets offended it's also an important issue but in comparison to everyone being killed it seems to be less important I'm sure you've been following what's been going on in the news the the CEO from open AI speaking a couple of weeks ago before Congress he's also been here in Europe talking with leaders and basically telling the powers that be please regulate the industry that I'm pushing so what needs to be done then if we want to regulate AI do we know what that looks like well it's interesting Nothing Stops them from self-regulating to begin with they don't have to do the next training run right away they can wait they can encourage others to wait I think part of this uh request for a regulation from outside may be a business move for kind of limiting competition in some ways it's more about self-interest if those companies it goes well what about what about perhaps perhaps maybe it's a call for help but perhaps they're trying to tell those in power maybe save us or save us yeah save us from ourselves because as you say they're not putting the brakes at all on their development I hope it is the problem is that government solution governance is not a solution for a technical problem AI may be actually somewhat easy to create once we figure out what needs to be done it seems to be that five six months after the big project succeeds there are hundreds of small projects which accomplished pretty much the same thing with a lot less resources and a small budget so soon maybe hundreds if not thousands of different startups and individuals would be able to train similar uh models in terms of capabilities simply making those things illegal or creating paperwork for accomplishing it does not solve the technical issues of this technology and you are aware as many are that when it comes to regulating social media National governments have failed miserably there's a lot of cynicism in the public now when we talk about regulating something that's even bigger than social media that being AI where does that regulation where does that infrastructure have to come from do you think this is something that the the national government should do or is this a something that needs a global solution at the Supra National level the U.N for example well ideally it would be an international effort because if it's illegal in Canada but legal everywhere else it doesn't really help so you want it to be a global solution since AI is by definition an international research project and a global commercial effort Roman yampolski we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us sharing your insights on this it's yeah it's exciting it's also very sobering as well thank you thank you