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any sort of objections um to that we won't record the sessions during the um the virtual breaks the the virtual refreshment breaks and networking sessions but we will record the main sessions and so just if i can just welcome everybody today so thank you all for coming along too today um this is the first event that we've done of this nature and as as many of you probably know this is all part of the activities we've been doing as part of national careers week 2021 and this is the third year that we've actually got involved in it both from cih's point of view but from the wider housing professions point of view is as well um and if you're active on social media you might have seen quite a lot of the activity that we've been doing during this week and it has mainly been through social media activity just as a the nature of the beast today really and so as part of some of the things that we've been um sharing we've been getting housing organizations and housing professionals to celebrate their profession to celebrate why they love working in the housing sector we've been sharing many blogs and many social media um quotes as well about why people have chosen to follow their career path within the housing profession and also some top tips as well so ultimately national careers week at its source is aimed at encouraging younger people school age pupils to come into different professions and to think about their career options cihn and as as a wider profession we actually use it as a way of of sort of springboarding our message about why we want to shout about the housing profession so in some of the things that we will push out during national careers week it's more about um this is why we're really proud this is why we feel the social value and the social purpose about the things that we do within our our profession so if you've not had the opportunity to sort of take part in that yet i would you know strongly suggest that you do so as i say we've talked a bit about the the structure of the day and we can keep reminding you of these sessions throughout the day you know if um hopefully you'll stay for us as as much as as possible and i'm here but i've also got a number of colleagues in the background we've got sort of um sarah sharon and they're who are keeping us in order and we've got lisa and tara who sort of help him with various social media and keeping people informed with links and so on throughout the day so we've talked about i'm going to just share my screen just now i've just got a couple of powerpoint slides that sort of go into some of the aspects that we're going to be um covering today so just bear with me one second okay can you see my screen yeah yep thank you brilliant that's great news thank you okay so i'll just whiz through these and then we can sort of get on with the the first session of the day so this um this was due to end sort of like soon for this um for our networking session in our sort of scene setting in terms of social media i have briefly touched upon this but one of the things that i would suggest that you do is if you aren't already following some of cih's main handles on um twitter and linkedin here's some of the um the handles that you can sort of start to follow as a starting point we're going to do a couple of um quick polls or before we go into the main session with um with paddy um and we've just opted to do this in two ways one we weren't sure how many people would be here for the um the starting session but we've done a sort of quick slider um poll we've done two quick slido polls just now but we have also got the option for you to use the chat so because there's only a small group of us here at the moment what we might want to do there's the em the qr code if you're interested in doing it in through slido but in addition to that we've also got the manual the good old faithful and way of being able to do it um is as well so if i can just use this just as an opportunity to sort of get a bit of a steer from the audience that are here with us at the moment and we'll do this sort of throughout the day looking at those options just give us an idea of where exactly you are are you an advisor are you new to the housing profession are you looking at a career change are you a student either on a cih course or on a um and a non-housing um course or are you considering to create a chair a change of career path or are you just inquisitive so these are looking at the delegates we're expecting throughout the day we're expecting to get quite a broad spread of our delegates taking part so as i say please do use the chat box to um to take part in that and then the next poll as well it's really helpful for us to understand how much you personally feel that you know about housing as a career of choice and about the different career paths and opportunities within this sector this type of thing will help us to understand sort of where we can gauge things throughout the day as we go along and also sort of help to measure any of those of um developments throughout the day as we've sort of gone through our various sessions so again please just use the chat to sort of indicate well you know what you feel your level of awareness and knowledge is of um you know the opportunities in the housing sector so i think from a from a sort of housekeeping point of view i think we've sort of covered um the majority of the things that i wanted to to talk about sharon i'm sure you will correct me if there is something that i've missed i should have covered as part of the housekeeping and the only thing i would just sort of point out is just keep referring back to the program that you will have seen in terms of sort of getting a feel for what is the main focus of each of the sessions and so this session that we will have after the break after paddy's session will be about sort of getting a better understanding of the types of organizations within the housing sector and the types of opportunities and getting a better understanding about the way that those organizations are different and the ways that they work together or in partnership and or are very similar so um i'm going to this is the um the start now of our first session and so i'm going to sort of stop showing my screen now and i'm going to take the opportunity to now so i'm assuming you can't see my screen anymore is that right yeah cool okay so without further ado it gives me absolute great delight to welcome our guest speaker um today for this first session as part of national careers week and let's celebrate careers in the housing profession so i'm delighted to be joined by professor paddy gray obe um now um i'm just going to give some details a very brief details about paddy in terms of sort of describing describing him and i'll let him expand upon that if he wants to or not but paddy is a professor of housing and he is also a former cih president he is a fellow member of the chartered institute of housing and he is an obe um as well today's session is we're going to cover quite a few things in it it is very informal and it is it's framed in in discussion with so paddy and i are going to have a discussion but i want you to get involved as well so let's let's uh let's you know throw questions at paddy while we've got him and during his session he's going to be able to sort of you know share lots of his academic insight with us you know and sort of expand upon his um years of experience and applied experience one of the things that we're going to make us start with is we want to go through and give an overview of this the history of social housing so paddy can i sort of hand the mantle over to you to sort of make a start on that and give us a brief overview of the history of social housing okay thanks very much and thanks for the uh introduction as well uh it's great to get talking to you even though it is a small group i mean i think that the the aim of this is actually to get a message out and there's something that i've dedicated myself to for over 30 years as uh i started when i was five of course uh for over 30 years for over 30 years is to try and get young people to consider housing as a career so the history of housing is can be very long it said took me three years to teach it uh to degrade students but i suppose i can give you know you can just segment it i always find whenever i'm traveling on a on a november ground in london or traveling out to heathrow or traveling you know not in the tunnels of course and you see the the different types of housing that is in the capital and ikea driving and some of the major cities some of the smaller times you see such a different type of housing and you wonder where did all that come from and why is it so different and why is it so diverse and i mean really you could go back centuries but i suppose the the key thing was in the 19th century when the at the industrial revolution so many people moved into urban areas they had to be housed now many uh of the new urban centers many of the new industries housed people er so that was really juxtaposed beside the actual industry themselves but the there was a lot of very poor conditions and at the time uh when we talk about pandemics and various things at the time cholera was a major uh you know concern and of course color it doesn't you know confine itself to the working classes so a lot of people who were in government at the time were very concerned spread because of the poor sanitary conditions and so forth so we had a an emergence of i suppose government intervention into housing where it began with public health acts and you know housing has always been associated with health anywhere and then it moved into sort of how you know it culminated in the housing of the working classes act where government intervened and tried to get some form of housing being built for people and working classes now there were a number of philanthropists at the time too and at the chartered entry institute of housing we sort of modeled ourselves on octavia hill it was probably one of the first uh you know you know of the current housing managers and many of what she did at that time still he says today like tenancy agreements and and you know she harnessed a lot of investment in housing to try and uh you know house house those people on very low incomes and it sort of moved on since that day the first world war had a major impact uh there were very poor conditions uh people coming back from the war they were worried about the bolshevik revolution in russia they were worried that there might be something would happen in the uk so the the theme was homes fit for heroes and there were a number of acts in the 1920s that encouraged the beginning of of uh what was then council house and what we now call a social housing and uh prior to that over 90 percent of all housing was privately rented and very little owner occupation and virtually no council housing at all so you had this a number of acts said you had the addison wheatley chamberlain acts all encouraging both the public and the private sector to build for the uh you know for people who needed those types of housing and standards were very or a key to that uh the tudor walters report uh during the first world war actually recommended standards for that type of housing now when i mentioned at the beginning when you want to drive around england scotland wheels northern ireland uh you know you find that type of house and porter type housing it was built uh prior to the or end sorry under during the interwar period sort of semi detached with gardens many of those have been sold off you know since that through the right to buy but there were council house and very good council housing very spacious council housing with with lovely gardens and i mean a lot of that still exists today of course and um and then we moved into a period of uh refurbishment as well and slum clearance where they wanted to get rid of all of the old slums problem with that was that people although living in very poor conditions had a community spirit and they wanted to actually enjoy the fact that everybody walked in everyone else's house they enjoyed the fact that they could leave the key on their door they enjoyed the fact that they even though they were poor even though at very poor facilities they really had a community spirit now the problem with redevelopment we have two concepts we use in housing redevelopment and rehabilitation problems to redevelop and as you demolish and you're not only demolishing the houses but you're demolishing the communities as well and that's always the difficulty when you do that so you have to take decisions around do you demolish a community or do you maybe refurbish the houses to retain the community and that's the business existed right up until today uh moving after the second world war of course then you had you had actual damage to buildings you had nearly half a million houses that were destroyed you had very much concern about the housing conditions again and even though it was the conservative government were in at the time of the war a labor government came in under clement athlete and basically introduced the national health service and released pensions and reduced a number of things and council housing again was seen as a solution at that time they reduced temporary accommodation which were known as prefabs and i grew up in one in arma in northern ireland and i did a a radio program for bbc one about the year the the the 2010 houses that actually uh that i grew up in and we called it tin town kids now those those properties remain last for 10 years they're still there and they were built in the late 1940s or assembled should i say in the late 1940s so you know that was uh so they use so many different types of accommodation to house people in the 1950s then they had serious problems with money which found the sort of bills they decided to build hay and their build a high density housing hence we had all the uh the hay raised blocks the um and the problems associated with those since then because although they were built and they were at the time they were called streets in the sky people loved them but then of course the building materials that were used weren't that good they conducted cold instead of hitting of hate and people left broke down people were stuck up in maybe a 30th floor and couldn't get out so there's a lot there that's the emergence of you know depression loneliness isolation and you know at that remote council housing where offices were were in the center of the cities so you know in many ways people didn't really feel it connected so you had that i mean i do a lot of work in glasgow and we have uh glasgow housing association we have over 130 arrays blocks so we're going to get up to maybe 30 stories high so again you know it's a it's seeing that different type of housing that was seen as a solution at the time but then again the the unintended consequences of that was obviously poor housing people wanting to move so a little house is static and it can last for up to 100 years more people's ideas and perceptions and demands change the change for jobs to change with uh at the moment we're going to have major changes in how people live after the pandemic people will want to uh have gardens people want to have space people wanted an extra bedroom to your an extra room to work at home you know so people who want to live in maybe 10 or 20 minute neighborhoods so all of these things have to be considered so no matter what you do in housing it really doesn't it is never a solution and in the 1960s i'm just just taking key moments 1960s there was an emergency around of thought around homelessness and there was a program that there was was broadcast in 1966 black and white called cathy come home now i still showed up to the students and still there they loved watching it didn't like the consequences that came out of it you know their pa you know family being separated because there was enough housing and at that time it wasn't dealt with by councils so it was it really it took 10 years for the homeless persons act to be introduced in 1977 and that in itself was a major milestone where councils were became responsible for homelessness and they
had to um house people who were deemed not intentionally homeless now that's a difficult situation because you could you could be man he won't intentionally homeless when it would vary from council account so rent their ears could be intentionally almost divorced could be intentionally homeless separation could be double potentially homeless some conservative uh local authorities at the time and i'm not i'm not saying it's just concerned but the word conservative would have even said that pregnancy single woman getting pregnant was a way of trying to get housing so it was deliberate and that's how crazy the whole thing got uh so you know the whole concept around homelessness and who is deserving and who isn't deserving and of course when you talk to people about homelessness to think of people sleeping on the streets but you know it's it's the key to that as home if it was people living on the streets it'd be ruthlessness or houselessness not homelessness so it's getting this concept of home and that's where the the money of housing professionals would look at that they don't look at housing as a house or a unit government statistics will talk about housing units but but people working in the sector professionals will talk about the home and wrap around services that they can actually give to someone living in a house to make it home communities you know housing plus extra activities for the relative and one other thing was the emergence of the right to buy and and when thatcher came into par in 19 and i'm i'm i'm skipping over things because i'll be here all day but 1979 uh she had reduced in the name well she could win 79 she introduced the 1988 housing act which in many ways was it was a good part of it would encourage tenant participation and you know compelling local authorities at that time to talk to tenants and find out what they want but the other thing was the right to buy where people were able to buy at substantial discounts 60 discounts uh they were able to buy their homes and um they were able to buy flats 70 discount so you know massive massive discounts what what it did actually it changed the whole nature of council housing because those people in the better off houses uh sorry the better of quality houses bought them and there and then many of them have moved out estimates today 40 percent of those are now being privately rented so you know uh again the unintended consequences of what was a good idea at the time but many people became homeowners and again when you look at areas like london and people selling council houses that they bought at 60 discount for a million pounds you know so is that the right way to to subsidize uh you know people to live their own homes and not subsidize others all of these debates and housing are are fantastic and you know the especially nowadays the big providers of housing our housing associations are non-local authorities and what another aspect of the concerns and the labor as well was to promote uh stock transfers so all of this council housing was built in the interwar period and the post-second world war period all came up for grabs so in some cities and and times uh local authorities transferred all of their stock to either one or a number of housing associations why did they do that simple reason is that housing associations can borrow money uh to put towards investment and from private fam funds where local authorities if they borrow it it goes towards public sector borrowing so therefore they they were looking to do that but this was a way of bringing in private investment now what has happened from that some of the lawyer i mean i'm on the i'm vice chair of glasgow housing association and we had our stock transfer in 2003 90 000 properties transferred over to a new organization it had its difficulties in saying but massive massive uh and you know not only new build but retrofit uh regeneration of areas money that wouldn't have been there available from goblin to be able to borrow and the larger you become the better your balance sheet the more that that banks and and building societies will give you money at cheap rates so in a way like you know and people if they're living a good accommodation and they're happy they will pay their rents and that's fine but rent rental payments become so important as well the biggest issues now are affordability the biggest issues are in in some parts of the country about the decline and owner occupation because owner occupation had risen so much uh that people wanted on their own home as michael hasn't said in the 1970s people should take their place in the sun when they when they had right to buy wasn't reduced so people want to aspire to live their own home but we you've heard that the the term now uh the generation rent because many young people can't buy their own home they can't find the deposits they can't although the chancellor this week has announced a scheme that would actually help them to move in and to buy him but we have this pendulum that shifts from owner occupation to council housing or social housing and to private renters and in some cases people own part of their home and uh renting the rest of it which is called equity sharing so we've had different periods and different times over the years and said i've only skipped over it i'm just giving you a view so what i get excited about and i know i'm very bored with this but i get excited when i'm on the tube in london i'm not in the tunnel when i'm on the on the overground and i look at the different types of houses in the housing and so over 100 years the new housing has been built by housing associations by housing organizations in different boroughs when i look at them read you know areas that that basically the one i mentioned earlier about the redevelopment where whole communities were dispersed in many cities what they did was they built a social house on the periphery because the land was cheaper so you had places you have places now like biker and newcastle human manchester drum chapel castle milk and glasgow all on the outskirts all not connected and and the biggest issue in the last was to connect people bring them back in make sure that they get adequate sort of uh you know uh they can use all facilities and they're not isolated at all so you know you and you'll see you'll see that in every i can ask because you're like it's very small i could ask anybody in your hometown in your own city do you know where the social housing is located yes it's looking at the outskirts and uh a lot of it probably has been bought off through the right to pay but yeah it feels very large csm that had problems because of bad management practice charted it to the house and introduced standards introduced professionalization out everybody that i know that's a member of the chartered studios and i know quite a few over the years particularly as being president in 2010 2011 which was a great privilege as i was the first irish president and the only still of the of the cih but passion was a big thing people wanting to help others people wanting to improve lives people it's it's like a just a you know a dedication they just want to help so it's not only getting the salary it's not only working for a living it's passion and i would always put it down to that and i've never actually had anyone say that they didn't enjoy their career in housing yeah so that's a quick sort of run through off the top of my head of course paddy that is absolutely amazing and you know um please don't apologize i taught we could listen to you all day honestly in terms of understanding um you know your knowledge of the history of social housing and you know that those applications that you're able to make in terms of helping us to sort of understand the context you mentioned drum chapel in you know i was brought up in clyde bank and you know which is down so you know i was able to relate to that sort of scenario that you'd given in terms of the social housing there and i was also brought up in social housing in clyde bank so um you know know that area very well so thank you very much for for that and before we move on to any so i've got so many things i want to pose to you but before we do that does anybody have any particular questions for paddy again while we've got him here while we've got him on the um this this stage did you if you've got any particular questions could you either could you just sort of use the icon hand or actually physically put your hand up just so that we can um ask get those questions to paddy don't be shy [Music] notes okay well please just use the rest of this session as well to sort of think about whether there's any questions in particular you would like to ask um of of paddy paddy i'm just gonna pick up on one of the points that you mentioned pre just just before you finish and you talked about um you talked about the reasons that people choose a career in housing and um one of the things that you you talked about passion you talked about improving lives and you know the the whole the whole principle about making a difference you know and all of those plus other um things you know are about the the characteristics of our profession absolutely spot on and absolutely you know um 100 one of the things that i picked up this week as part of national careers week and i've talked about some of the activity that we've been doing during the week one of the things we put out on twitter during on wednesday when we launched one of our polls or one of our questions that we don't we're doing three times this week was about in three words describe your career in housing and some of the things that you've talked about but particularly what sticks out here is that word passion now one of the things i'm going to do as part of that is actually look at doing you know sort of a word cloud picking up on those words that people have used to actually think about their career in housing and passion and people you know and that making a difference and communities they are all keywords have come out time and time again so you know without shadow of a doubt that is absolutely um true um and you know again you know as as the audience please do use the chat to sort of you know give us an indication what you know what if you were to say three words that described your housing career what would they be and this is all really helpful and things for us you you talked also about um her about the different providers in the in the sector and so our next session after our virtual break our next session is focusing on that and what we want to do in this next section is to give an idea about the different housing providers we've not covered them all within the panel that we've got we can't do that sort of as part of just this one event and this one session that we've got but paddy talked about stock transfer and you talked about housing associations and about sort of the funding that was accessible in this next session you will be able to find out more about that and get that better and understanding of of those different types of of organizations paddy can we talk a little bit more about professionalism okay i suppose yeah i suppose professionalism is about standards and about trust and that people would actually er you know they trusted you will do what you say you're going to do they will that you are equipped to do that um if you think in terms of a doctor you know you wouldn't want a doctor or surgeon operating on you if it didn't have the skills and the and the qualifications to do so i mean the same with housing professionals i mean you know it's about behavior and attitude it's about you know how they operate with integrity they as i said the sale they'll do what you say they'll do and the standards is very important now something that you know what ca h obviously takes very seriously is through education and through housing standards and setting those standards that people must adhere to and in many ways uh you know anecdotally when i speak to cih members or spoken to them over the years i mean many of them are very proud of their qualifications they're very proud that they put that effort in to become uh to become a housing professional and um and they they you know that's very dear to them um people in the street you know why when i win the house in the states so we've talked a lot of consumer groups have been involved in place uh citizens invasive with chair of that for a number of years in northern ireland and you know again speaking to people residents they want to know they want people who are qualified to do what they're supposed to do and they they at the end of the day that's important to cih so suppose um you know it's having a having a certain level of standard you know standards included and what a professional needs to be and them and their own attitude their own behavior how they work you know we have a code of conduct that people work to you have um in many ways uh your appearance that you appear as a professional that you know what you're speaking and again referring back to glasgow we have a at glasgow housing weekly we have this policy of think yes when people are out in the in the estates when people are that they can make decisions there and then i'm not going through a whole rig rule of having looked through various bosses in order to get something authorized so it's been uh it's it's known your area and having integrity and honesty sorry for that waffler but i could think of many more things as well but i'm trying to sort of i suppose the the common denominator of all of that is standard and integrity yeah yeah now it's not waffle at all it's really really important and i think you know going back to one of those earlier points that you mess mentioned about you know i think one of the things that we we struggle with is is because you know you don't have to you know our profession is so diverse and i think sometimes that's one of the the issues that sort of causes you know that that sort of question about you know well what is the housing profession and all of those standards you've outlined and and with the this sort of formal introduction of the the professional standards in terms of the framework you know it is about integrity it's about being ethical it is about inclusiveness it is about making sure that we're knowledgeable making sure that our workforce is skilled making sure that we are advocates for the housing profession you know um and that we're able to challenge things and that we equip ourselves to be able to sort of challenge things that we think are wrong and it's about our leadership as individuals and as a profession as well and with with everything that has gone on through covid and continues to go on through covet you know if you look around and you read some of these stories in the press and you know if you look at inside housing you will see the things that you're doing within the housing profession or if you're coming into the housing profession you know housing professionals and housing organizations have been there on the forefront you know as professionals they have been making sure that you know residents and the community are safe and that they're being fed if people have are not able to go out and do non-emergency repairs they've been helping with food parcels and they've been helping in food bank they've been making calls to vulnerable client you know customers all of that and it's just it's you know housing clearly is a profession with all of those characteristics and has been there at the forefront of covid um you know without without a doubt paddy i don't know do you want to add anything further um i don't i don't you've got a question would you like to ask yes thank you um oh it is uh a question that has been bothering me it is basically professionalism uh housing as a profession like paddy has mentioned what it is is that you know like the mhs doctors nurses also sometimes it is difficult for people to see it as a proper profession it will take you time to explain to people on this race that our sin is a professional why is it like that despite all um our efforts and contributions in this society can you throw more lights on that please thank you an excellent uh point an excelle
t question and um i suppose uh i agree with you totally and i mean over the the uh well the well over the well 40 years now nearly and i've been involved in housing the uh that has been a major problem and them and i've worked tirelessly with the jordan shooter housing with many other bodies to try and put housing out as a profession but to give you an example whenever we had open days at university for people coming into careers no one came to the housing stand at all i was standing all day on my own with colleagues and very few people came and some came by mistake because they were looking for as you said nursing or they were looking for engineering they were looking for things and that's you know that's part of this is getting that reach out there what is the chartered housing professional no one has heard of it they've accept us people who are in the profession and uh you know it's getting that reach to say well this is professional we are we do our job effectively basically and you want people doing a job effectively when i i do a lot of international work and through cih as well because i said you know i'm their external examiner so sit on validation panels in other countries so i've gone to hong kong china looked at different they actually have a compulsory that people have a housing profession in hong kong that they're actually a professional ieci or others before they can practice so you know if you look at other uh you know they have to have a license they have to that there's something to practice and maybe that's something government should be considering is uh or you know if you're an architect you have to have a you know you can struck off if you're you know in the surveyor and so forth so why not a cia chosen professional and it's getting that reach and thing events like this it's it's getting into young people and it's getting into residence and saying look you know this is a profession i actually tweeted a couple of times during the epidemic that people should be out clubbing housing professionals on a thursday night simply because there is as important as nurses i'm not taking a nursing down in any way but they are they're improving well-being especially what jill said there during the pandemic i mean the reach that people had they worked from home they used modern technology they were constantly you know in touch with their residents they were in conflict and they were able to adapt to different situations i mean who expected this a year ago and yet i don't know of any housing organization that didn't adapt and didn't uh you know maintain their performance despite what had happened so you're right i wanted to be a professor i wanted to be a recognized profession again you know and i've been in ghana i've been in nigeria i've been in many countries in europe i've been in australia i've been in canada speaking about the housing profession they all know about the cih so they do but you know it's different levels of what you know what you need to practice and i suppose if we could take the hong kong model and china's going the same way you know that that and and we have courses we have we have approved courses and uh wuhan you've all heard of i was actually in wuhan before anybody heard about it but the cia we have courses in beijing and sun jam and future and guangzhou and i mean you know at the end of the day so we are rich as international and that's the other aspect about how did different countries work their housing system and how did they how did the work professionalism you're fascinating and fantastic you know so but unless you're totally yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you i i i think um you know i agree entirely with everything that you've just said and it is it can be extremely frustrating you know particularly when um you know we we understand you know about that there is that lack of awareness i think one of the things that you know we're not going to change things overnight but i think that we are getting closer and we are doing a lot more in terms of you know how when how we are portraying the housing profession as a profession you know as a and you know a lot of the stuff that we're doing around professional standards about our qualifications about the social housing white paper and professionalism you know was um was was throughout that so lots of really exciting challenging but really exciting times ahead and there's some stuff that you know that we can all do we can't do this individually but we we need to do it individually and collectively so some of the things that we can do you know sort of um when we talk when we get the opportunity to talk about our profession when we get the opportunity to talk about what our organizations and our sectors we need to grasp them by the hands and just sort of make sure that we do get that opportunity and and if there's things that cih could be providing our members and others in the housing profession with the resources to be able to do that you know let us know what we're doing this week is part of building up those resources to actually this is you know we we call this let's celebrate careers in housing intentionally because that's what we need to do and that's what we are doing and that's what we will do you know we're not apologetic for up we are celebrating our housing profession and how key we are um you know to to individuals um is anybody you've got i mean we've we've got so much that we could sort of talk about in this this session we've been using the chat we can use the chat to continue to talk more about membership about various things that we're doing around the professionalism agenda um about qualifications as well so we'll continue to put information about the qualifications that cih um you know runs so for example you know cih is the largest regulated awarding organization for housing in the uk you know we have qualifications from level two up to post-graduate they are done at various universities its center accredited centres and through our housing academy so we can provide lots of information as we're going throughout the day um on that but again you know if you've got any questions in particular then let us know joseph i think that you've got your hand up would you like to ask a question yeah uh good morning everyone good morning just one for paddy uh after you talked about sort of regeneration um and slums appearances in the 50s what do you think the future of inner city communities are just when it comes to retrofitting or a mixture of retrofitting and modular methods of construction rather than say demolishing and being a big part of redevelopment yeah again a very good question joseph and i suppose you're asking me my personal opinion on this here the um you know certainly the retrofit agenda is very important and something that you know large and small organizations have to balance between you build and use to play and most of the new building used to play will be you know will adopt the green agenda and will adopt sort of the proper systems that we need in order to make targets and you know certainly the targets of 20 30 that are that are coming in that have been brought back in 2050 but at the end of the day uh i i don't forget about the existing properties and don't forget that those need retrofitted as well up the standards that are actually for new build now again many organizations have those budgets to do that and protecting smaller ones like in the larger ones i mean in glasgow we've been uh over we put in millions in the sort of retrofit as well as our new build agenda but smaller organizations can't afford that so how can you make those targets and how can you bring you know you don't want to disrupt communities you want demolition as a last resort simply because you don't but then again when you look at things like fire safety i don't know what's going on there i think there's a wee bit of background coming there but i mean when you look at ground grandson and we look at what happened there and i mean you really want to make sure that safety is very important as well but you know energy efficiency simply because it puts more money in people's pockets and that you know that if they're using up less energy and they're having to pay for less energy as well and of course it and you know but now we're we're talking about sort of good energy systems that we're seeing hating various things and we're being told that you have to open your windows in case you've because of coronavirus how will we deal with that next year i've been without with a new learning coming out of covert and i'm telling you that now because i'm getting my job and an hour and a half so so we hopefully we're coming out of covert and there will be cert a sea change of behavior behaviors uh in the sense that people will want larger dwellings people will want dwellings with space people will want to work from home people will want to have sort of as i said at the beginning ten minute neighborhoods where people can sort of everything is there for them organizations will change to working in hubs as opposed to probably working in central offices and then you know office office space itself will become available and what do we do with that do we regenerate in our cities by uh you know encouraging that to be repurposed into a you know residential accommodation student purpose accommodations so much of has been built but many students have probably worked from home because all of the online teaching so what happens there's so many questions coming forward and you know our professionals have to adapt to that and have to make sure in their strategic thinking that those are embedded in their plans over the next five to ten years many of them are actually changing the strategic plans just to begin from 2021 to 2026 or whatever simply because of that yeah yeah yeah thanks yeah it's sort of it's one of my projects i'm looking at currently um sort of our retrofitting plan and it's all very yeah it's all quite um cautious right now we don't want to we don't want to find out in a couple years that we're doing the wrong thing um so i think it's it's probably a more cooperative approach across the sector rather than individual associations in many ways about kind of you know collaboration you know making sure that you know you have somebody including resins you know just when you think of a lot of the gas installations that were introduced over the last 10 or 15 years they're probably going to go and rip those out again you know because of the change situation thinking as to what you know we want maybe heat sources sort of coming from the ground you know bumps and various things and you know those are expensive so making those decisions and writing those into your business plans are you know are difficult for many smaller organizations do they then collaborate with larger organizations and to be able to sort of to work together in community in areas that you know different players are because that's what's happened to housing has probably become fragmented in many ways prior to the the sea change of uh of stock transfers councils operated in a full area so they could do regeneration they could do i mean in northern ireland we still have the northern ireland housing executive which is 90 000 properties so they can do early regeneration but when you have a different housing or associations operate in one area plus the private rental sector plus order occupation how can you do area regeneration and those thoughts have to end up back to having professionals to think that we have to think forward brilliant thank you very much so and hopefully that was really really helpful in terms of that answer to joseph's question so thank you for that then paddy um i'm just i'm mindful of time elisa to see that you've got your hand up and it was only because there was a question hopped in the chat box which i think might have got missed from alina oh welcome thank you for that and that's okay she just wanted to ask paddy um paddy in your opinion in which country has the best housing model oh northern ireland it's afraid again a very good question i mean i mean i've been involved in so many different countries in their housing systems and you know there are different models i suppose it's very difficult to say whichever is the best you know everyone has a quality but it's important not to sort of be insular and are thinking it's important to look at good practice in other countries and the trends sort of utilize that utilize mistakes that have been made and then in our and how we you know it's all about outcomes what is the outcome of of what you want to do you want people to live safely you want to improve well-being you want to build good quality housing for the future so let's look at other countries and see how they're doing it who got it right and who got it wrong and that's the importance of international collaboration and uh and that's the way the cih has a reach you know we have a reach i i keep saying we even though i don't have a very specific role in the cia city work but i mean i hope hopefully everybody who's a member of cahit says we so what do we do we uh we look at other countries we have a reach in canada we have a reach in africa we have a reach in hong kong we've reached in china and singapore we have a race in australia you know so we can and on on european we have european conferences where people will come together and look at the qualities of each country so i could i couldn't answer that as to who where the best model is but what i can say is that we can arrive at the best model by looking at others and looking there where they got it right and where they got it wrong it had to happen didn't it right at the end as well so um so lisa i was just asking is is that all of the questions that in the in the chat we picked everything up now i think so yeah lovely oh thank you well paddy uh you know i can't thank you enough for today and thank you so much it was such an informative session and you know i'm so pleased that as i say with recording this what we've created is an additional resource for our promoting careers in housing you know what a great coverage of an introduction to social housing our history and our profession as well so and some great questions that have come in from from you all so thank you very much for for that everyone and like i say um paddy's got to go off in the paddy's got to go off and get his injection so thank you paddy you know very much appreciated and for all of your time with with that and thank you to everyone for your questions um today we're now gonna have a quick networking break so feel free to chat amongst yourselves turn your cameras off keep them on go for a drink get grab a coffee and so on and then we'll be back at 10 50 for our next session so our next session will be focused on different types of organizations getting that awareness of different types of organizations within the sector and and understanding more about sort of the roles and opportunities available so we've got some great housing professionals as part of our panel which is also chaired by cih's president aylin evans as well um so see you all at 10 to 11 um and again thanks ever so much everybody so catch you all in a bit thanks bye everyone
