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[Music] bad news is that they've pinged me and i've got to self-isolate on his own as the clock ticks down to one of the most momentous decisions of his premiership in the seat of power but boris johnson will be physically out of the front line over the next 10 days potentially covering the final phase of brexit negotiations the prime minister will be allowed no further than his flat and his office in downing street where he'll have to work alone so no chance for aids to pass handwritten notes in any crunch zoom calls with the eu [Music] britain's chief negotiator david frost has returned to brussels talking of recent progress but he says the talks may still fail at least one thing is clear boris johnson won't be leaving this building anytime soon as for the chances of a deal with the eu well there's less clarity on that boris johnson is hoping for a deal but he's saying that the uk can prosper if the eu fails to recognize the uk as an independent sovereign country brexiteer tories are saying that they're getting encouraging noises from inside this building but they'll be examining the small print if a deal emerges at the 11th hour it will involve movement by both sides in the two most difficult areas on fishing the uk is prepared to allow reduced but substantial eu access to uk waters but the eu would have to agree that this could be changed perhaps every five years and the uk would agree not to undercut the eu on areas such as labor laws and state subsidies this could be done through a so-called non-regression clause a pledge not to lower standards the eu may agree this can be policed on the uk side by a uk body perhaps the competition and markets authority a former brexit minister is not holding his breath for a deal i think it's going to be challenging uh that there's no doubt that the eu seem to be very reluctant for example to move very much on the issue of fisheries which of course is one of their own red lines in addition of course there's the crucial issue from the british point of view of sovereignty and it's taken a long time for as david frost said the european union to internalize the fact that we are no longer an eu member state but an independent country so all this has caused huge delay and i think that at the moment it's looking marginally more like there will be no deal than there will be a deal france's former european affairs minister is still hopeful we are very near to the end point we are very near to the moment of truth and i do hope that we are able to reach an agreement that is beneficial to both sides even if it will never be as beneficial as having the uk as a member state but we fully understand that it was a sovereign democratic decision we respect it we implement it but we don't want to hurt our economies to hurt our workers because of the consequences of this decision happier times as the uk agreed the terms of its departure a different atmosphere now as the two sides struggle to agree a future partnership [Music] nate what well dr philip whitford and damian greene are still with me and we are joined too by the conservative mp and longtime campaigner for brexit peter bone and indeed tomorrow morning's son will suggest that there could be a deal next tuesday peterborough first of all they may not be your guys lee kane and dominic cummings but they're your kind of brexiteers and with them gone do you think do you think there is more more chance of negotiation from the uk they're not my sort of brexiteers i walked out of vote lead because mr cummings so you're wrong on that well i mean on hard red lines i'd look i i think there's going to be a deal as you rightly have just said i think it's going to be within the next seven days um it's in the interest of both the eu and the uk they're very close to a deal it seems silly now not to complete it and i'm sure there'll be some sort of compromise on the areas where there's some disagreement at the moment but i think it will happen so so you're now saying that if there is compromise on state aid alignment and indeed if there's compromise on uh fisheries which was the big totemic thing of of leave eu was the big titanic thing we're an island nation we need to protect our waters you're now saying that if there's compromise on that you would back that and that would be a good brexit trade deal well i think what happened a few weeks ago was the british government said okay it's going to be no deal because the eu are refusing to move their position if the eu have compromised on their position i'm sure a deal can be done and they realize the eu you realize it's very much in their interest to do it they sell sell 100 billion pounds more of goods to us than we do to them and of course free trade the benefit of free trade it's better for consumers and business unemployment so let's let's be clear peter bowen you are now saying that you accept alignment with eu rules on things like stated and things like um any sweeteners or whatever to make sure that there is a level playing field you actually are moving towards that now that is not a red line anymore i don't think you could possibly interpret what i said as that clearly we're an independent nation we can't have rules and regulations made by the eu and you can't have rights over our fishing but as you said they'll probably be a la the eu will be allowed to take some fishing from our waters until our british fleets build up again but we can't we have rules and regulations from the eu that's the whole point of coming back and taking control of our laws and on borders and waters and trade there's no compromise on any of that but the fine detail can be can be there has to be compromise on that you talk about fine detail and this is interesting because it's almost sophistry isn't it what is the uh what is the negotiating position that maybe moves as an inch and what is just the fine detail i think are people prepared to blur the lines now to get a deal well i think everyone realizes a deal is a good thing and they've got to reach an agreement that's suitable for the uk and suitable for the eu i think they're very close i don't think these talks would have continued unless they were very close and the fact that law frost is reported to have told the prime minister tonight to expect a deal within seven days i i i think it's all good news and i i i i don't think we should be doom and gloom about this i think we're on the verge of having a comprehensive free trade agreement which is in our interest in the eu's interest and if it could not be completed in time would you be prepared to accept a technical extension in order just to get it done no no more extensions look the thing that i find strange is that this had where you have we had the eu saying it had to be done by the 31st of october it couldn't be ratified that's been extended well the only reason for extension must be that they're very close but this cannot go on business needs to have certainty of what our what the trading relationship will be at the 31st of december so i think we're in the you know i wouldn't be surprised if the deal wasn't completed this week damian green uh do you have any concerns at all about the fact that we could be busting what were boris johnson's red lines to get a deal done i've argued all the way along that it's better to leave with the deal as somebody who campaigned for remain i accepted the result of the referendum and said okay let's let's get a deal so i'm delighted to hear peter say that he wants a deal because he and i are now on the same page uh on this issue which is it's a historic first it's a historic well lots of historic for us tonight but let's just talk about that then because you know what peter bonas says we are not going to accept eu rules and regulations but the truth is if you are moving towards some kind of alignment on state aid rules and and and rules on um on a level playing field you are in essence accepting the eu position as they would be accepting yours well what we're not saying we will set our own rules and we'll have the freedom to change them in the future and and if we do change them in the future then that may well have consequences uh in other parts but i think um the idea that that a conservative government in particular um would not sign the deal because we wanted to subsidize industries too much it's a bit weird the state aid rules were you know date back to margaret thatcher she you know saw the logic of saying trying to keep failed industries going with something all the fuss about this then now because you're both you know well i i sort of expected you would be less but peterborough is now being at this exceptional position of yes we are going to negotiate our way into this in the next 10 days is all going to be fine well because there are a lot of areas that have to be negotiated most of them have been uh we've got as you say state aids and fish oddly enough fish i think is one of our stronger negotiating points in that if we don't come to a deal then the the french fishermen and the spanish fishermen and so on have no rights at all in british waters they don't want that they know there's got to be something yes the irish farmer said that there's been no movement on fisheries since the summer that presumably is just another negotiating ploy then well i i think because it's it's such an uh understandably um emotive issue on on both sides of the channel and that this was always going to be one of the ones that were settled last and so there may not have been much so your understanding would be then uh that scottish fishermen fishermen from all over the uk will be able to sell their catches and into the eu in entirety if they want at the end of next week by the end of next week well i hope that that where uh fishermen i mean like you say the scottish fishing cleats very important to sell their fish is uh is a matter for them as well let's let's see what they're allowed to catch well let's ask uh philippa whitford would you be very glad to have a deal on fisheries then because as you very well know lots of scottish fishermen weren't very keen on the last deal that was done in the eu over fisheries well i i've got a fishing constituency here on the west coast and my fisherman largely don't gain anything from leaving the common fisheries policy because seafood they catch wasn't a quota catch at 85 percent of our langustine go to europe and whether there's a deal or no deal what we are going to have is the enormous costs of bureaucracy and delay at borders that a lot of them are beginning to think is going to put them out of business so you know the the kind of fishing side of it may benefit some of the big trawler fleet owners in the northeast of scotland but it doesn't help the inshore fishermen on the west of scotland and i mean i agree i think there probably will be a deal but at this late stage i think it's going to be a very thin low deal and a lot of the bureaucracy delay and problems for business is is going to happen regardless and peter and i sit on the brexit committee and he talks about you know business needs surety we have listened to sector after sector from pharmaceutic road holier to farming to fishermen the whole works talking about we're not ready let me let me ask you just to move that on slightly at the weekend the snp's westminster leader ian blackford said there must be a referendum next year do you think there should be another referendum on scottish independence next year and the reason i ask that will have implications uh for the eu so tell me do you think there should be a referendum next year well obviously i'd like uh i'd like a referendum as soon as possible but at the moment the scottish government are focused on the pandemic but i mean it is clear but we talked about a few months ago the idea of devolution being rolled back but also underlying that the people of scotland voted against brexit and we've been treated the reason i ask you that phillip i'm so sorry because we're running out of time but i do want to ask you this do you see a referendum next year on um scottish independence as a way back into the eu well obviously that's one of the aims whenever the referendum would be suitable to have our aim would be to return to the eu thank you all very much indeed