Experience the Benefits of Cloud Based Contact Management in European Union

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hello good morning good afternoon or good evening whatever time zone you're joining us from this is jim mckee i'll turn the webcam on here for just a minute just to say hi to everybody welcome to local cloud data management with interbase and amazon web services um i did put the link i'll put the link for the blog post in the chat and i will also have the slides available in the handout section so if you're on the live webinar you can grab those from there and the uh yeah the link with the replay and everything will be available in the chat but the replay obviously is not up yet because we're live right now okay um so first question what is local cloud um part of this might be a little uh basic but i think it's a good idea to make sure we're all kind of the same page when we're talking first thing and this i think this is a useful thing to talk about when we're talking about different types of cloud is the idea that this is one of the things when cloud first came out before like there's no cloud it's just somebody else's computer and that's the really important thing is really when you're talking about uh cloud as you're talking about you know you know it's somebody else's computer uh it's what it is it's a server somebody else manages for you generally we refer to the cloud um but in the case of local cloud right that's maybe someone's managing it for you or maybe you're managing it but anyway so the service what else is managing it for you why would you use the cloud well why do you take your car to the mechanic you know we at least i don't know i don't repair my own car sometimes i try to but i realized pretty quickly that's not a good idea and the reason i take the car the mechanic is because the mechanic is a specialist and you know we can spend our time at other places and that's the same reason we use the cloud is that we're effectively outsourcing the server platform management to the specialist so in case of a mechanic we're outsourcing the car maintenance to a specialist and this gives us you know the mechanic is a lot more efficient at it because they do it all the time or the cloud you know their server people managing the servers they're much more efficient at it because that is what they do they do that all the time so it gives us economies of scale it reduces our workload and effort so we can focus on other things uh while leveraging the expertise of a specialist so the cloud makes large-scale computing power accessible to everyone or anyone which is especially true with amazon aws is it's really really easy for anybody just to get going with aws you uh oftentimes too easy then uh it also enables you to cut costs and you can focus on your core business instead of being impeded by it obstacles i've worked with more than one person i was gonna say but way more than that quite a few people that were maybe hesitant to start using the cloud and then once they did they're like i should've done this years ago it is there is a lot of uh there's a lot of good resources out there for learning more about using the cloud but generally you know if you are hesitant to using the cloud you know look for small things where you can start moving things to the cloud and discover some of the benefits of it because it does save you quite a bit of headache sometimes for doing things but generally speaking the cloud you get sustainability elasticity and security you have more of that at in reduced cost effort and risk but some of the drawbacks of the cloud is reduced control so if you're like hey i want to have maximum control over what i'm doing then you're giving some of that up because it's being managed elsewhere it there can sometimes be privacy issues if you are so it's interesting when microsoft acquired github for example so github being effectively cloud a cloud hosted source control there are a number of companies that withdrew from github because they were like whoa whoa whoa hold on we feel like we compete with microsoft and we're not sure if we're comfortable with microsoft having access to our private repository so well i think generally speaking it's interesting i've done um i have a few patents that i've done some like uh inventing and patent boot camps and stuff like that for people and there's you always have somebody in there that has some idea for a invention and that they are so in love with their idea they that i thought of anybody having access to it so they're like what if i send my patent disclosure into the patent office and the patent clerk steals my patent and goes out and makes it it's like generally speaking that's not going to happen but i do understand you know especially in the in the situation where you are you know you could be potentially having your data hosted by a competitor so this is having some audio problems interesting here i can change this here let's see if this is better is that better for the audio hopefully all right i'll keep an eye on the feedback here in case someone says something security concerns and so this is it is this kind of an interesting one because generally speaking a cloud provider is going to have more uh skilled people involved in security focused on security of the platform so they're going to generally be better focused on be able to provide better security but the flip side is that if somebody is trying to create an exploit they're trying to compromise somebody's security if you're a small time company you may not be on somebody's radar as being somebody they want to try and compromise okay sounds like the audio is better great thank you everybody but the a big cloud provider on the other hand is a very juicy target so while they have better security defenses they are a bigger target and more likely have more people trying to compromise them so if there is a compromise it in facts everybody on the platform so it kind of it's kind of a weird dichotomy there it in in that that it is better security but also greater risk i don't know i haven't seen actual numbers as far as like figuring out the the overall impact but it is something to consider for sure is that you are giving some of that control up essentially and then the last one is jurisdiction complications and this one comes down to issues where if your company is based in one country but you're using a cloud provider from a different country then there can be concerns about data being hosted in other countries and different laws and how different laws apply and stuff like that so those are some of the things some of the concerns people have around the cloud and i'm not going to say that any of these are invalid or reasons not to use the cloud either way but there are definitely things that you should think about and consider in uh picking a cloud solution so that's where local cloud or private cloud comes in it's essentially it's the benefits of the cloud in the but it's on premise and you're full fully under your control the idea being that you want to take something the some of the the main benefits of the cloud being that it's kind of like you don't have to think about maintaining it right is it just it just works which it never everything that just works never really just works but anyway the idea that it's not something that requires a lot of maintenance right it's something that can be provide you the users within your organization the services they need for storing data without the headaches of trying to think about managing the storage of the data and then you also have what's called hybrid cloud and hybrid cloud is where you kind of combine the two together you combine public cloud and private cloud or local cloud together so you have local data and cloud data and you get the benefits of both so for example a good um a simple to comprehend solution for this for example is that you could have local data that's stored on premise that's maybe on device or on your local network that multiple have can access it locally but then you have data that can be bounced off the cloud or hosted in the cloud to give people access to it outside they don't have access to the local network so instead of having people vpn into your local network to access data they can instead access it through the cloud and so this way you're able to replicate the data in multiple locations to give people access to it as they need it or it could be that you're using the cloud to back up your local data so that your data is backed up off-site for example another option description of local hybrid cloud there's a lot of big cloud providers that sell hybrid cloud as a um sometimes they'll sell hybrid cloud as the local cloud or the private cloud is something they sell you as well so it's like hey we'll give you the service that's on site and the service that's in the cloud and manage it all for you there's a comment here it says related to reduce control it's reduced ability to verify an audit particularly for smes who have limited market power to get contractual rights they might want or need how do you know your cloud provider has really deleted something when you press delete i've had this conversation actually before with other people around other things related to this it is generally speaking you know you have um slas with the cloud provider you know they they specify this is what's going on and how it's working so for example if um there's different types of cloud services you can get and i have some actually yeah so i'll bring this slide up because it lists some of the different types of cloud services you can get but if you are using a storage platform let's let's say amazon s3 which is their simple storage solution that one is you're putting individual pieces of data in the cloud it gives you this idea of buckets and you're putting something in a bucket and then later you can say i want to delete what's in that bucket uh in regard to james's question how do you know that it's really deleted and it's not in a backup someplace yeah yeah i don't know you're not gonna really get the ability i don't think to go actually physically audit their storage to see it was actually deleted but the it should be deleted but then again the other the flip side of this is that anytime your data is transmitted across the internet it's actually stored on all these individual servers as it's transmitted now but the reality is typically the servers are immediately deleting it right they're just storing it briefly in memory to retransmit the packet now in theory one of those servers could keep a copy of that data keep a copy of those packets so the reality is is that when you really get down to the nitty-gritty there's a lot of things we have to take on faith as it were that is is working within the way the systems are defined so you know you even if you are storing it on site right you delete something well does delete mean that you've erased it from the disk because if you just delete a file or just delete a record sometimes that record's just marked as deleted but still exists in memory or on disk someplace right until it's overwritten and so it's that same sort of thing is that you can really you know when you're a technical person really get into the nitty-gritty the details the minutia of what does delete actually mean now so i think generally speaking it's not as big of a deal but that you know certainly is something that can be a concern and something that you know you really kind of need to stay on top of to make sure that things are happening the way they're expected to so uh this slide though kind of shows some of the different models of uh local cloud hybrid cloud traditional cloud so on-premise is kind of the traditional data storage solution where you manage everything and then sas is the traditional cloud as if you will where it's software as a service where everything just you don't manage any of it someone else manages it for you but then there's other times where you mix it up and write sometimes you have the idea of platform as a service where they uh essentially you're it's like you're getting a virtual machine in the cloud right where you the cloud has the platform and you run all the data you manage all the data you manage all the applications on that platform infrastructure as a service is actually lower level so actually sorry the better way to analogy would be that uh infrared structures and services essentially where you're getting a virtual machine in the clouds whereas platform as a service is more like a container in the clouds so i'll talk a little bit about what the difference between a container and infrastructure would be but in both those situations you're managing the data now uh especially with platform as a service you might be getting backups and that's not listed here but sometimes some uh platformer service solutions you're like they're like here is your instance you're working in and you can say i want this backed up regularly which backups are important you should be having backups there's the saying that there are those that have backups and there are those that will wish they had backups at some point because at some point you will need them and you don't know that they're working until you discover it or not so if you're you even if you're using some a platform as a service or possibly even infrastructure as a service you could have a situation where you know you want to make sure you're paying attention to your backup how long your backups are being kept and stuff like that because you know sometimes you do need to be aware of when things are actually deleted so that's where amazon web services come in i think i alluded to this earlier as well but it's probably the biggest i i i've heard people say it's the biggest but i hate to say i i don't like to use absolutes like that but it probably is the biggest most comprehensive cloud platform i think everybody else is really playing catch up to to reach amazon's level not to say that there aren't advantages to using some other cloud providers by any means but one of the things about it is it's on demand this idea that it's completely elastic in that you could say hey i really need a lot of cloud services this week and you can increase your what the services are available but then as soon as you're done you can turn that services back off you can have some services that turn on just when they're needed for example as well so i have a friend that does that works in kind of a cloud management uh ian says no one's had a problem with having too many backups yeah the it the only yeah always you always want to have if you can have multiple backups at different levels always do it but again when it comes to auditing to make sure something's deleted that you expect to be deleted then you need to be aware of that as well but again that's getting more into the the technical minutia of um maybe the data still exists in some sort of ephemeral state that is electrons traveling through the cosmos anyway the i have a friend that works in cloud management and he says one of the problems people have when they move to the cloud is if they have a server that is used only occasionally right and they move to the cloud and they have it as an always-on service then they're paying way more money for it than they should but if instead they can make that service an on-demand service so the server only spins up when needed that's when you're really going to come into big savings so elasticity is kind of that idea but so it's build meter to pay as you go basis you can set limits we're like hey i it you know expand the usage as much as needed but then stop before it reaches this amount stop um or stuff like that so you're not gonna it you can properly manage it in order to prevent unexpected surprises but you do need to put that effort in it's not it's not just as uh don't go into it blindly one thing though is also aws and most other cloud providers are on server farms throughout the world now that means if for example european union has some different laws around data protection than the rest of the world so you can use a server in the european union now you still can have some jurisdictional concerns because technically that server is owned by a us-based company so does that change things and it can get weird generally speaking it's not as big of a deal for most people but especially if you're in a situation where you have government data right you need to be aware of those requirements by the government so i mentioned amazon s3 simple storage solution earlier but we're going to talk about amazon elastic cloud excuse me amazon elastic compute cloud or ec2 what it is is it gives you the ability this is that um platform as a service in that you can have a platform that you just turn it on and off it that exists when you need it and you can have multiple cloud multiple platforms that come up to come up they have high availability and you can choose different types of uh platforms you want to have this is a great kind of uh getting started with cloud solution because you can essentially take what you're currently hosting on a local computer and move it to a computer in the cloud there's been a few times that i've used this for different things i'm not really involved in the infrastructure of embarcadero and idea but there's been times there's been projects i've been working on that i've moved from a local computer to a cloud-based solution for example to get better bandwidth because once you're in the cloud you're reading and writing over that amazon's uh internet connected backbone and that can make a huge huge huge difference so this is this can be used in like an ad hoc basis to be very effective for a number of things so once you have an ec2 instance then you can host docker containers on that ec2 instance so i mentioned docker earlier but docker is is different than a virtual machine in that a virtual machine includes the guest os whereas a docker image does not so essentially you can think about docker image as all the libraries and programs that would be that you on top of the operating system but that is um separate and that you can have a container that you build locally for example or on a local server and move it to a cloud server and know that it's going to run the same so it doesn't care what platform it's on right doesn't care if it's on a local computer or a cloud computer it's going to behave the same additionally in that docker containers if you you can have multiple instances so if you're like i have this server and generally it's able to run on one instance but let's say for example i know i'm getting a lot of demand coming or i want to be able to respond to demand that happens dynamically you can replicate that docker container and each instance of that operates exactly the same as the first instance and that that's the advantage of containers so thomas is saying gdpr rules in europe generally make it mandatory to know where data resides and who can access it yeah exactly gabriel's asking when when will d-a-a-s be available i'm guessing is that data as a service i'm not sure what that either i don't recognize it so if you can elaborate on your question gabriel i will try to answer that but yeah you these big cloud providers are very very uh strict about data access because of those requirements so you you know especially if you're using a docker container is you can actually control it had additional layers of control in there to prevent access to the uh it's the data within the container right so even though that container may exist on a cloud server that data can be encrypted oh jay is saying desktop as a service yeah desktop as a service is the thing i use that a lot as well um d-a-a-s desktop as a service there uh amazon has some solutions there's number ones as well volter i think's one that i've used recently the yeah so that's an advantage of using a daa or i'm sorry that's an advantage of using a docker image or a virtual machine is that you can uh encrypt what's in there things also with interbase which we'll talk about here in a second as well actually interbase is the next slide so interbase is um of course embarcadero's database server or yeah database engine and it the interesting thing about interface is it's kind of a combination of the three common types of databases out there you have you have your traditional server databases like oracle sql server et cetera that are your big databases that centrally and you know all these clients connect to that database in the database controls the data that's shared between all of them you have your desktop databases which are great for you have like single user instances where they have a database that's installed on a desktop and that you're maybe have multiple applications or you're a single application that talks to that database but that database then manages all of that data for you so that your application doesn't have to worry about that but they have embedded databases which are focused on typically like mobile especially where the database is actually the database engine is embedded into the application and it's similar to desktop databases it's just maybe a little more lightweight in the specifically designed for embedded and also supports mobile so interbase is like the best of all three of those because it supports all of that in that it can um but it can work in any of those scenarios it has strong encryption and security which is really important especially when considering cloud options in that you set up that strong encryption and security and then you can know that even if that data was replicated on that cloud that without your credentials without your keys no one can access that data so this gives you absolute assurance that your data is secured even if you're not you're not sure that the data is being or how long the backups are living for example there actually i could go on a while about inner bases security it has column level encryption which is really cool and that you can have different users that can access certain columns or not which is a feature in the past when i wasn't using interbase i wish that i had just granted some questions here i'll come back to those one of the things though about interbase kind of its general theme is this embed deploy relax idea in that it doesn't uh require the database administration to the same degree as other databases it's self-tuning and most databases you know it i used to work for a company that did oracle consulting and the joke was that you know that the cost of the oracle database it might as well be free because it's so expensive to and maintain that in that you have to hire all these consultants to come out and take care of it for you that that's where the real cost is and that's kind of the opposite for interbase interfaces i designed around the idea that it doesn't need to be uh administrated the uh so it's used in lots of situations mystery critical context and such both embedded desktop and server databases again i i uh admin administration free transparent data encryption uh journaling and point of time data recovery disaster recovery a lot of things we're not going to talk about today but just good to know about the think about interbase but i do want to talk about uh interface feature called change views and so first let's talk about changes using talk about traditional data briefcase so a traditional data briefcase is this idea that you can have a uh a copy of the data that you then offline copy and this goes uh i think one of the questions is about this so how to prevent data loss if you have intermittent connectivity and so you can have your traditional briefcase where you have a local copy of the data and you make changes to the data and then when you reconnect you send all the data back and so in this situation here you have here's your central database and each of these represents a connection where you're sharing data back so here we have the four rows in the database and here we've changed one row but we still have to replicate all those rows back and here we've added a row and so we have again replicating all of this and so the number of rows and this is these are small numbers but this scales as well so the idea is you want to see the the pattern here in that in this situation here we've changed four rows but we still have to manage this because it's traditional briefcase now with change views you only have to transmit and deal with the changes themselves so in this case interbase keeps track of the rest of it for you you don't have to be think about it and be concerned about it and there are other ways i've worked at places before we've tried to replicate prod uh solutions like this manually but the idea with interbase is it's built in it just knows how to do this automatically where it only needs to send between the local right this could be your mobile device or local computer your local cloud and the central the cloud computer the changes so what's changed and so in this case we went from 23 packets to nine packets now the the that's not a huge change but when you scale that that is a very big change in that you only you know if you have a huge huge huge huge database this gives you the ability to only have to be concerned about only deal with what has changed there's a couple questions here let's see so some comments more comments about just this idea of knowing that um auditing and stuff like that and who can control it for sure the um that gives you the advantage of using a approach like this where you're using interbase interface is encrypted in the cloud is that then you know for sure exactly who accesses your data where it's being stored how it's being stored and if they don't have your encryption keys then they can't get to the data so even though the data may be on a cloud provider or you know a great example is that if your data is maybe on a mobile device or a laptop or a removable media if it you have the strong encryption the interbase provides then even if that device is lost physical access the device is lost to a completely untrustworthy third party even you know not one that you're expected to trust on faith you know that the data is protected and can't be accessed so the question here how much work is involved in setting up change use process glad you asked michael so here's how you create a change view and the link to uh doc wiki which the slides are in the handout section and they're also in the blog post uh did i put the blog post in the chat i didn't put that in right now there you go so you can go and get the blog post there with the slides so here's to create a subscription and the links down at the bottom or in doc wiki that goes into more details on this but you create a subscription you give the subscription a name so in this case we're naming it sub ceo multi-device because it's a subscription for the ceo that works across all their devices so what we do is say on employees for when rows are inserted updated delete customers insert update deletes sales rows if they're updated and department locations for updates as well and so this is how you define what you want to subscribe to you can grant and revoke subscription to different things so this gives that user level control of who can subscribe to things and then to use a subscription you you activate the subscription and then once it's activated you can select um or once it's activated then when you do a select it gives you only it only lets it lets you only deal with that updated set and so it kind of automatically scopes that for you to what has changed and so you don't have to worry about things that haven't changed on either side so there's a comment here about conflict management between updates from different clients the you can define rules for that you you can there's a few different ways you can define it you have the flexibility to deal with that but it's the kind of beyond the scope of what i was planning to talk about today but there is uh some resources actually i'll try and go and add some more resources to the blog post as well that go into more details about that uh to explain that if you do want to set up interface on docker we do offer a docker official docker container image which is on docker hub and there's the path to it there we actually have for three different ones this is the full one the other two are kind of scaled down versions it also includes pa server and rad server there are other unofficial interface container images out there but i would probably use the official one or make your own and that we have the docker script here dockerfile so you can go out modify that make your own docker container and then i was going to show a demonstration of how you would set up your docker image running interface and this actually goes into rad server specifically but the which i'm not getting into red server trying to keep things simple today but you can certainly use that as well as an option we're going to demonstrate the pa server rad server combined docker image right now so we're using the windows terminal the new windows terminal from microsoft and we're going to ssh into our machine here using the root user then we're going to run sudo apt update which is going to update our machine and then we're going to run sudo apt docker and that's going to the docker files that we need to run our docker images and containers so you can see the rad studio ide in the background we're going to deploy from that a little bit later in the video so you can see that this is our host machine where we have our docker images running and you can't connect to the machine right now because there's nothing on port 80 from a web browser so now we're going to run the docker pull command for the rad studio pa rad server dash ib image and pull that from docker hub and i've already done it before so here it is so now we're going to run this image and so this image the pa route server dash ib image is an image that contains both pa server rad server and interface and we're going to run interbase only mode so we're going to run this this docker image because we need something for the regular docker image which doesn't contain interface to connect to so we're going to do docker run d which is in the in the background we're going to config equals inner base we're going to run on port 3050 and that's the interface port and then we're going to mount the two directories the interface directory and the ems directory as persistent volumes so i'm going to run this command and so now we have our interbase only docker container image running in the background and now we're going to pull the rad studio pa rad server image the one i talked about the pa rad server combined docker image and now we're going to run this image and we're going to run this image in the foreground using the dash it command and then we're going to mount it its persistent volumes as well so the name there is ems 2 that's the name of the volume and then there's the directory from inside the docker container that we're going to mirror to the volume we're also going to supply these these arguments here we're going to do db port of 3050 which matches the 3050 we ran in our previous pa route server ib image and then we're going to do the host ip address of this host machine here where the docker image is running and we're also going to open up port 80 we're going to open up port 64211 and we're also going to open up port 8082 and we're running the the docker image rad studio pa-rad server and so we ran an interactive mode and so now you can see we have pa server running and i turned it verbose mode on and then you can see here i'm going to demonstrate you can see that rad server is actually running on the machine now and we ran the version command and then we're also going to show you that the test endpoint you can see that the test pin endpoint does not currently exist in the rad server image that we're running so we're going to we're going to fix that we're going to go over here to the rad studio ide and we're going to change this option here for the package output directory to period backslash and that's going to compile the package file into the same directory as our project so we've compiled the project now and our package file is there we're going to switch over here to rad studio docker deploy project and then we're going to go here to resources and add that file and add that file here to our project so we're going to add this as a resource and then we're going to name the resource identifier module and so that tells it we're going to use that in the code to deploy that module file so we're going to clean the project and then we're going to make sure everything is good after adding our our package file and now we're going to deploy this project directly to the pa server that we saw that we started up in the docker image and so this version of rad server is connecting to the remote docker image that we started at the very first using the pa rad server ib image so it's uploading this image to the cloud server right now where our docker images are running and so after it uploads this it modifies the ems server ini file and it restarts apache to load the module uh in real time without restarting the docker image so you can see here you can see the command line that it ran you can see that it restarted apache and so now we're good to go we're going to we're going to bring up a web browser and we're going to test this endpoint and so there you can see its returns test and you can see here is the endpoint of test and it returns test there in the code [Music] okay um come on there we go so with that i'm going to go to questions i did answer transactions some of them went along but if you have other additional questions or follow-up questions go and put them in the there now here are useful links for you for more information again really the first one you need is this first slide here which is where you can find the slides or hopefully that should be live now and the replay and such will be available there as well i'll put that in the chat again as well uh desktop as a service gdpr yes so again the one of the advantages benefits of using interbase in strong encryption is that you can absolutely know who has accessed your data and what's going on with your data even if you don't have physical absolute control over the hardware so oh gabriel says d-a-a-s is delphi as a service that would be fantastic actually i've i've been working on something like that trying to get something like that to happen but uh nothing nothing yet uh nothing yet to report that would be great though but if you use desktop as a service actually i was talking to a an mvp and he says what he uses when he does consulting for somebody is he sets up a cloud instance that has delphi installed on it and everything set up on it and he uses that cloud instance just for that client so that client he buys a delphi license for them and sets everything up so it is all specific to that client and then when he is done consulting for them he just gives them the cloud credentials so they have full access to it if they bring a different consultant in or whatever the case may be so you and you can do that today uh you know it's but it's a byod bringing your own delphi uh to any of the desktop is source providers do i have more detailed documentation there is documentation if you go to interface change views right here this has very detailed documentation on change views you can check that out can i have a complete audit trail of transactions on interbase uh is there any software to convert my real pc to a docker image okay so hold on a second here let's see there is so here's the change use documentation and then there is audit functionality in i just get what it's called ah i can't remember what's called there is audit functionality in interbase but you can also use for example triggers to um create additional audit logs if you want to that's kind of what people like to use triggers for is to keep keep audit logs of who changed what and when and that can be the great thing about that is it can be customized software to convert my real pc to a docker image see actually copy link address more detailed documentation here you go so there is windows docker but most docker is linux based um so there is a their technology called terraform which i believe would do that for you i'm not sure you might try a site like uh super user or one of those q a forums where you can go out and ask a question although the secret dance asking good questions is to do a lot of research first to make sure you have missed something obvious although i frequently i miss the obvious when i ask questions too i'll see the lack of verify audit capability timing mismatch between question and answer i wrote that you started talking about interbase i was referring to more general content like the kind store in s3 okay got it so um yeah so s3 they have i mean there are different services available with s3 you could in theory and click encrypt all your data you're storing an s3 as well um but yeah there's different depending on what you're doing there's different uh threat models and stuff like that please make interbase to go for desktop um that would be cool i would so uh it's not my choice and my decision don but you can i think that i'll pass that suggestion along for sure jens is saying even encryption won't hide your metadata a number of security issues are related to the metadata eg you don't need to know which pizza was ordered to know where it is delivered as long as the delivery service provides gps data so you know it will be on your desktop so there is a lot you can do to protect the metadata as well again it really comes down to your threat model and so you need to know what your threat model is so your threat model means what are the likely scenarios of you know who's trying to get your data you know how far are they willing to go right are you worried about the uh a superpower you know or a government of a major company trying to access your data or are you worried about uh competitors trying to access your data so big companies trying to access your data or are you worried about um traditional you know people out there looking to make exploits and access your data or are you just worried about being vulnerable to ransomware and you know the all the dangers that just work in being online and so once you have that threat model then you can figure out and then look at what kind of data you have and whether the data is what data is more important than others so you could for example jens use a setup a system where you are encrypting well actually so you'd be encrypting the data coming to you so they're trying to think what you would if you had so you could you could do quite a bit to prevent anybody from even knowing what day i mean if you really needed to you could use a tor onion the under onion router system to protect what data is coming to you and where it's going forums like that uh okay and that would be a way that you could prevent the uh you know any metadata at all from being leaked but again it really you really need to you're never going to completely absolutely protect everything from all instances because technically you know the electrons that are in the storage in the memory are you know there's bits of that that seep out into the inferior ethereum you know there are so many crazy attack vectors that are technically feasibly possible but that are not actually a concern that you really really really really need to know what is your threat model and once you have figured out your threat model then you can find a solution that works for you but if instead you're just like worried about every possible boogeyman then yeah um even hosting it yourself in a bunker underground is not going to be enough uh so packer by hashicorp is for packaging okay um thank you jens for that so let's see where was that question i'll put it in the chat it's all so hashy corp is the company that makes terraform as well let's see here's an analogy for cloud service models i infrastructure as a service is like leasing a car pass platform as a service is renting a car and software service is you taking a taxi or uber okay yeah that's great uh where's the mobile server application demo for ib change views to test online offline capability i think i i don't have it offhand on but i will look into that and see if i can get you a or post it to include some details in the blog post so check out the blog post and um typed it wrong and there's like i'll put the link to the blog post in there again and i will see about posting some links there if not check out doc wiki or if you look in the blogs that's probably what i'll do is go look in the blogs for the article that's been around that and uh send that out okay with that it is uh we're uh done i think i've gotten through most of the questions and hopefully this was informative and useful to everybody and i look forward to seeing you online at future webinars what's your timeline for next major airbase release i i couldn't i don't know for sure and couldn't answer so there's been some updates to interbase 2020 2020 so um yeah it there is i can't really speak to road map and such but there is i mean there's been some updates and as you point out may be time for a major update so maybe we'll see but i could speak to that so anyway thanks everybody and we will talk to you later bye you