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the broadcast is now starting all attendees are in listen only mode good afternoon good morning everyone depending on what part of the uh the country or continent or part of the world you are in uh very much appreciate everyone joining today on our panel discussion um which is going to be three data driven approaches to mitigate corrosion threats for those of you that attended our previous webinars we are very happy and pleased to have you join again um about three to four weeks ago we had a crossings focused webinar and before that we had a a webinar that was focused around different areas for service providers where david will be joined and i could go on and on and on different webinars related to api inspection corrosion integrity you name it but today is going to be all about corrosion uh ladies and gentlemen and the approach is to mitigate corrosion via dave via data driven decisions so with that being said everyone uh my name is joseph ladner i'm going to be your moderator today and uh what we are going to be going through is three different topics over data driven approaches to mitigate corrosion threats and we're joined today by our lead subject matter expert in the area of corrosion joe pikas who i'll introduce a little bit further here shortly before i go on in today's gender everyone i want to make sure everyone's aware of kind of what this consists of so this is going to be a pseudo live webinar and what i mean by that is is um um we encourage highly encourage everyone to submit questions to the question uh kind of uh chat bar there in the uh go to webinar interface um we will hold answering all questions to the end but we have a dedicated session of roughly about 15 to 20 minutes at the end to answer any and all uh uh questions or these questions that we can get through from the audience so as you have questions come through um uh please submit them as you as as uh they come through and we will answer them at the end all right uh so with that being said here's our agenda for today so first and foremost we're going to talk about managing data silos related to corrosion and with each and every topic ladies and gentlemen we're going to talk about what are the challenges facing these different areas within the industry and then also of course you know hey uh we're going to talk about software a little bit right um challenges within today's industry and that's going to be led by joe pikas and then also married to that hal technical toolbox is pipeline hub and the corrosion suite because we're talking about corrosion today right helps solve these particular challenges via case studies from organizations just like yours after topic one we're going to go through that same manner but we're going to be talking about simulation models for corrosion and then last but not least we're going to be talking about determining remaining strength and metal loss of pipe and we got a pretty cool picture to show for you here today that mr pikas is going to go through when we get to that followed up with that we're just going to do some introductory or just informational stuff about technical toolboxes software related or training related what the pipeline hub can offer for your organization and then we'll finally get on the next steps and that's when we get into the more or less the lightning q and around we'll be answering questions as they come in as with our previous webinars we've already got some upfront questions that clients have kindly uh participants have kindly sent us beforehand um so we have those already ready and queued up but as questions come please send them we'll get to them uh towards the end of the day so with that being said let's do an introduction to our uh sme panel so uh just starting off with myself um you're all here to uh listen to joe pikas today but let me go first uh i'm gonna be serving as the moderator i am an engineer by background and i am our uh director of engineering performance advisors here at technical tool boxes some of you i may have talked to before many of you have made me the first time great to have you join us all today um background as i mentioned engineer by background started in the field as a field engineer way back when moved into business operations and and consulting um uh previous satellite halliburton energy service and the alliance group and been at technical tool boxes ever since with uh joined with me today is jill pikas now i'm sure many of you have either heard of or know of joe pikas but just in case you have not joe has over 50 years of experience within the pipeline industry uh most of that being with uh an operator williams transco within with a specialization in the integrity and corrosion fields from there joe has had various roles within with uh service providers in the industry with a specialization in crossings encroachment ac interference uh risk mitigation um and serving as a subject matter expert uh in 2009 joe received his nate's distinguished service award one of many that he has accolades and has collected and as a leading voice in the industry along with all of this joe is an influential author and has um uh have over 50 plus papers and articles in his name via trade magazines and conferences all right um so with that being said as i mentioned today's discussion is going to be interactive ladies and gentlemen so we're going to also have two polls with the first coming up here in about 30 seconds scattered throughout today's um uh today's uh webinar um the first one i'm going to introduce to everyone we're going to give you 30 seconds to answer the poll and we're going to showcase the results it is very important for participation to us so please by all means if you can participate it would be highly helpful and then towards the end we'll do another one so let's go ahead and get to our first poll all right um i'm going to launch it and it's going to be what do you use uh currently for engineering solutions throughout your company so let's launch the poll all right it's distributing the poll give it a second all right so i see some votes coming in now so again what do you use engineering solutions for currently in your organization um the first is going to be corrosion calculations and or analyses managing pipeline inspections maybe asset integrity management using corrosion for uh are you're using engineering solutions for pipeline design or something other than the above so let's give it another uh 20 to 25 seconds to allow others to vote looks to be heavily leaning towards corrosion calculations and analyses which makes sense that that is our webinar today and or integrity management some inspection some design and then other the above okay give another 10 seconds ladies and gentlemen we're going to close the poll and distribute the results five seconds all righty three two and one let's close let's share the results all right um looks like as i mentioned corrosion calculations and or analyses combined with integrity management um are the two uh two uh uh where most of people are using your current your engineering uh uh solutions for followed by pipeline design and managing pipe inspection so awesome really appreciate everyone's participation all right so i should be back to sharing my screen here um if not please submit a question and by all means we'll try to get that get that fixed but uh let's move on to the first topic at hand ladies and gentlemen which is managing data silos related to corrosion um so what we're going to be doing here as i mentioned um throughout each of these three topics mr pikas is going to go through in depth with a lot of knowledge a lot of experience on the challenges the industry faces in his eyes and what he sees in many conferences and um uh you know many interactions he's had in the industry and then he's going to go through various solutions that offer to that and i'm going to go through a case study or two so with that being said joe can i pitch it over to you to go through managing data silos related to corrosion please sure uh thank you very much joseph uh one of the things that we run into uh at least i used to be back in the old days is spreadsheets but even today companies are still relying on spreadsheets and what happens when we start relying on spreadsheets when we got a pipeline that say let's just say a couple thousand miles and it goes from uh sort of uh from south to north or or or or thereabouts and we have many districts divisions in areas okay and are they operating on the same sheet of music we all see that commercial where these kids are even when the kids are playing in the band and they're on the same sheet of music it could sound pretty very terrible well this is what happens sometimes you know when we're not and this and the kid these kids were on the same sheet of music so so you can imagine if we're not on the same sheet of music what's going to happen um we operate differently believe it or not even if the area district are side by side um everybody has their own way um and and this is where we get into trouble a little bit and so you may have your set of uh calculations on your spreadsheet um you and and etc and the other one so on so forth so so everybody is kind of protective of their own calculations and this is how we get in trouble sometimes because that same piece of pipe hasn't changed from let's just say from houston to uh to the northeast somewhere it's the same same metallurgy same grade of pipe for the most part except if it's a gas line it has different grades and so on and so forth wall thicknesses etc and so so we're really dealing with this you know basically the same materials but yet we we're looking at it from different sets of eyes we're calculating it from different sheets of music and this is part of the problem and are we getting the same results and you say well we meet once a year to talk about you know the way we operate really is once a year enough do you know your fellow peer groups from from from area to area district to district or division to division well enough on a day-to-day basis that you could share and what happens when we run into issues how do we do it like similar analysis how can we share that uh that you have a problem in this area maybe down down you know a few hundred miles down down the road uh somebody may have the same thing in the same kind of conditions and this this is what it's about lack of data and case centralization even in your own district current concerns i'm going to use the three strikes and out approach and this is this really happened in a business unit one of the business units uh happened that they went out did a dig okay and they come back with the data and they looked at it and something didn't add up you know to the dig sheet that they were given and and you know and they compared it to pig run so they decided um let's go back out again uh because uh it things weren't matching i'll just leave it at that so they go back out again and they re-dig again and uh this time they found out they're on the wrong joint of pipe so that that was number one and they found out a few other things and uh and instead of doing a full-blown investigation they you know they're in a hurry again you know they they're in a hurry all the time and and and instead of doing a full r string calculation with multiple increments they just took two readings the maximum depth and the maximum length and obviously it fails and and they had some pictures and and and and people in george says you know what there's still something not right here that shouldn't have failed you know so back out a third time okay this time they gritted it and they did it right okay and it turns out that the established maop of the pipeline was okay you know when they did it when they used the r string calculation obviously when you reuse the original calculation asbb 31g you know it failed and that's and that's why our string came into being about 30 years ago is because b31g fails on anything you could sneeze at it and it literally fails so these are the kind of things we learned real quickly um so so they literally they did strike out all three times in my opinion uh we don't need to be doing that you could take that same dig and do it downtown new york city you know may have only cost them maybe ten thousand dollars at this location i can tell you a minimum starts at a quarter of a million dollars gig so you better get it right the first time uh and and there's many reasons for it you know because of the population density you have to rent a cop or cops you know to protect that area and and you know it just keeps on going from there so if you get the picture solutions so how do we how do we get around this thing even in our own districts you know uh integrated digital environment are we sharing that information are we collaborating with everyone in in the system including our own district or area you know um can anybody view it you don't need to raise your hand hey i want to see see that that that particular dig dig number 18 or something we should be able to all look at it have different eye set of eyes looking at this kind of stuff and this is that this is why it's important do you have the system for it to do that does everybody have right to get in and look at it because the more sets of eyes the more you could have said do a better assessment and having central data storage not um my storage they're not going to get my spreadsheets they're not going to get uh into my computer first versus collaboration you know for these calculations and sharing these cases histories so so we could actually begin to build an integrity program because integrity program doesn't operate with one one division or one district or one area joseph thank you joe really do appreciate that so let's um let's go to example case study ladies and gentlemen so really kind of marrying and piggybacking off of what joe said is um you know technical toolboxes we work with you know 400 and to be exact 435 different organizations around the world most of those being here in north america us canada mexico um you know but with that said every organization has a has a similar problem is whether if it's three three people in a small consultant shop or a you know 100 billion dollar fortune 50 company you know is you have different engineers doing different things in siloed work groups um that might have their own solutions and a real good example of this was a um uh this this isn't just one particular operator but um you know for this example there was an engineering team or it was teams really that worked across different business units and even particularly in one business unit um here within the united states and um each it turned out each group and then even each engineer had a little bit different ways of doing things i mean of course there was some standardization on upload your documents to share a point here utilize this exact calculation for this here but it turned out that different groups you know as the company acquired different organizations just did different things you know um so the various engineering team analyses was limited by silo data lack of collaboration methodology okay you got you got bob smith the engineer here sally the engineer here different groups both in the state of ohio and doing the same having the same goal but doing it a different way and what's this lead to and maybe not in this particular situation but on a macro level when you're looking at it from the president or the vice president of engineering it it leads to elevated operational and capital expenditures ultimately leading to higher risk you have a lack of standardization and a lack or methodology of sharing information it leads to increased cost it leads to um you know time equals money it takes longer to do things um and then of course that equates to higher cost so what was the solution in this scenario if many of you attended the crossing solution webinar last week we went into this in much more detail but within the pipeline hub technical toolboxes has various crossing suites uh that consists of api 1102 willow track load but are in a standardized solution with it which is in the hub so what does the hub allow you to do ladies and gentlemen for some of you that aren't on it or on it not that often it is a centralized platform right is think of your smartphone if you have an android you have an iphone or just a smartphone you know that is a centralized database you have your email you have your phone your text you have your social media apps or you know espn whatever um and it's on a centralized platform that allows you to share data and make your life easier right and that is what the pipeline hub allowed this particular organization to do for analyzing crossings and then also marrying that to their corrosion work so here's the example um what the hub allowed them to do was they were able to integrate r string remaining strength of externally corroded pipe to get their um go no go for maximum operating pressures based on exact minimum wall thickness okay so they do that first they then are able to take those analyses and again it's all one platform right integrated environment and married that to their crossings analyses for wheelo track load on their encroachment management so the corrosion group was able to share what they were doing for our stream to the design engineers and to the engineers that were running crossings get their minimum wall and then run the go no go analyses for their concentrated point load and surface area ie willow track load very effectively instead of having siloed solutions via spreadsheets that was hard to share information instead of having having just different solutions on different platforms our string here maybe pipeline toolbox or an internal use software here having all of this centralized on one platform really helped solve this particular group in terms of standardization lowering risk and ultimately lowering the amount of time that was spent on doing these analyses which means lowering operational expenditures so this was a really good case study i'd like to share with you all how you take different siloed solutions leveraging your asset data all in one centralized environment i.e the hub to reduce risk lower total cost of operations i.e accelerate project schedules okay so let's go over to our next topic at hand which is simulation models and simulating and you see here you're probably going to understand the corrosion we're going to go to next is ac interference we have no one better to talk about that more detail which is mr joe pikas so joe can you go into simulation models and the challenges and solutions with them in today's industry absolutely and and one of the things that we run into and we all we're all experiencing it and i've seen it uh like crazy you know is is encroachment and encroachment comes in many ways not just um more utilities but people and these are the things that we need to be thinking about and then lo and behold uh because of the uh constraints in the availability of right-of-way today and landowner issues of ac power lines pipelines just uh uh systems with cables and and and and and anything that goes underground is going to go in and that includes underground power lines too um take your subdivisions you know most subdivisions don't have any wires strung out anymore it's all everything's underground you know including your your your internet service and and so on and so forth so so forth so this is what we're dealing with and and and the restrictions are even getting tighter all the time and now they're putting in pipelines where they thought they would never put pipelines uh you know literally on top of each other i've seen this in corpus christi where they put three stacks three levels of of eight pipelines uh across from each other uh uh underneath each other uh in in three decks this is what happens when when when the right-of-way gets tight and they're all about a foot apart isn't that nice so how do you protect how do you prevent shielding now you combine it with ace ac power lines in the same right away along with other utilities and now you've really got a threat and then you have to model it and so so this is what we're talking about and how do i model you know these are the things that we need to be looking at how do we come up with the predictive uh prioritization you know to to to look at this in the analysis and prior prioritization that's required and still meet the uh finsa requirements you know because one of the things that femsa has been asking pipeline operators is okay guys we know you have all these power lines on your right away or vice versa you're on there right away tell us tell us what the faults are going to be on on on on at every tower could you answer that question this has been asked by uh by fencing by to many uh pipeline operators how are you going to run that how do you do you know what's going to occur what's the likelihood of something occurring and and and what kind of damage can you expect this this is why we have models ac ac mod modeling for this purpose to do that to do every tower on that right away so even though you may not have a ac induced ac issue per se there's there's no reason you can't have a fault because when you get lightning strikes uh when you get episodic upsets where power lines touch each other from wind and other disruptive storms anything could happen and these these are the kind of things we need to be looking at so so these are our challenges and and and how do we make the assessments for these and we even got some new stuff you know we always worried about dc interference you know you know from rail systems and of course from other pipeline systems but how about solar solar systems how about these miles or kilometers of solar systems that are laid out and how are they grounded or not grounded or are they using the ground as a return a negative return isn't that nice you don't think you don't think that pipeline that's nearby is going to pick some some of that straight up i've i've worked with some clients on on these type of systems yes they are they are a threat so so as solar goes in and and other systems go in it's not just the rail systems anymore we have to think outside the box more than you could imagine you know when when you have when you go and take uh uh data loggers and see that the whole area where that solar system is located is depressed there's a reason for it and that needs to be investigated so these are kind of things you know that that we get involved in so so what i'm bringing up is is what are the solutions well the solutions are ac interference you know uh modeling and and corrosion modeling you know you know what what is my current density on that on that pipeline how bad is it and and and is it going to cause the likelihood of ac corrosion and then when you start combining it with dc effects then you got a real problem you have to be ready for this this this this type of analysis and in some cases you you may have to use fva models but but in most cases you should be able to handle it with the with the uh conventional models that are out there the key is data getting the right information this is one of the key factors you know that we have to deal with and then to add insult to injury right uh we got the external issues to deal with right uh we got internal corrosion now you know there was a time when you know the the gas supplies were from just a few key places in the united states you know mainly from the gulf coast or or certain areas of the country and that was it and then all the all of a sudden uh you know utica came and and and marcellus and this one and that one and all all around the state of texas all around the country and then all of all of these systems are now feeding into these major transmission lines okay so so we don't have the one source area anymore now now we have all these uh lines uh production systems feeding in into these transmission lines anywhere along a line and now we have then we have to deal with again uh episodic upsets from from from you know from from from the production and all of a sudden we have additional water in the system where did that come from know winds up in the like in the gas line and the scrubbers and things of this nature shouldn't be any water in there never used to be and all of a sudden you know we have um fluids corrosive fluids and if they become this is the problem once you start getting uh episodic upsets now the system becomes wet and now you got to treat it as as a wet system anymore not just episodic it occurs once a year or twice a year that's that's not good enough and these are the kind of things that we have to come up with models to determine yes how much water is coming in how how much corrosive fluids what type are they you know what what kind of a bacteria is now coming into the system we got to start looking at more things than we ever thought about including in inhibition and and and uh bioscience and things of this nature cleaning pigs and and more um um monitoring pigs so so all of a sudden our solutions become very complex both on the internal side as well as the external side and joseph i'll hand it back over to you uh to work on the remaining part of it thank you joe really do appreciate that um kind of in conjunction with joe was talking about with modeling um and simulation uh one area that i wanted to spend a little bit of time focusing on is hey you know this is about corrosion right um technical tool boxes pipeline hub has various suites within their one of those tweets being corrosion and one of the apps within that suite is our ac mitigation power tool so uh my last example ladies and gentlemen was about a service provider right uh sorry not a service provider i'm going to step at myself an operator the one i want to give you now is about a service provider and um you know they were utilizing um you know homegrown solution and uh another group was utilizing uh a different software platform completely different um uh for ac parents and ac ac interference issues um and doing their modeling for potential ac issues uh within an operator's pipeline that they were doing an investigative investigation for so uh you know they do this all day long right um you get an event uh you know it's triggering an internal investigation working pretty close with the operator to determine um that the newly constructed pipe is going to require uh mitigation some type of cathodic protection design etc um so really the issue at hand was you know it says one engineer but um you know this was multiple engineers within a particular group that did things a different way right hey you know no fault no fault at all i've done this it's worked i've done this it works great hey um but when you have a larger project and you need to work collaboratively um and each person is used to a different solution you know and then it gets into okay maybe which one's better etc and that's not what we're about here today it's all about standardizing right so um what this particular company evaluated was hey okay this solution looks works good as a standalone maybe this one does as well but is there something out there that's better that comes with an integrated solution where we have integrated gis where you have integrated you can integrate your data you can leverage other aspects such as doing your cathodic protection design in the same system sharing that to your other engineer in a different group across the state um and also both of you are running the same modeling program on a platform that at the same time is a full corrosion suite that has other capabilities too such as rstring that was what was evaluated here and the ultimate solution was our ac mitigation program which again is part of our corrosion suite so the ac negative mitigation power tool has integrated arcgis interface via esri by the way and um is allows engineers to if you have ac interference issues for obviously steel lines running near in parallel to pipelines no matter how long if it's hundreds of miles or hundreds of kilometers you can upload this within the gis interface save time and run your ac modeling and mitigation very quickly and appropriately once that is done it's all in the same interface right so if you are running your ac interference and you see you have these induced bulk voltage uh current issues and um you gotta modify your kind of cathodic protection design here do a little bit there hey you can go within pipeline toolbox in the same platform and alter your cp design there as well so you can see the the effectiveness the productivity gains it's it goes without being said because everything is integrated into one platform you get the ease of use via the the automation via gis you're leveraging your data tools and your asset data and having a single point solution that is now integrated into the hub that creates efficiencies for not only you as the engineer but if you're a manager or vice president for your entire team because everything is standardized and you have multiple point solutions on one platform ultimately what this allowed them to do is get the projects done much quicker that they have now adopted full time on all projects going forward that ultimately reduces risk and creates an optimal ac mitigation design for their clients okay hopefully that kind of made sense for everyone and we're going to go to our last topic at hand today which is determining remaining strength and metal loss of pipe so i mentioned to you at the beginning there was a little tidbit of secret about a picture we wanted to hone in on that joe honestly wanted to hone in on and this would be the picture ladies and gentlemen so joe before going to the next slide i'm going to have you take it away from here okay so this is an ugly picture okay let's take a look at it before i take you into um determining the remaining strength corroded pipe um we got a welding issue obviously what do you think they did here we got the pipe scratched up so so so so so we got stress concentrators in there it looks like they uh even cut into the pipe to fit it so so it comes together and then and then they've welded those cuts and and you got splatter all over the place and it and it looks like uh this welder was just practicing for the first time uh this is what this is what they used to do when um you know this is how welders just learned how to weld is they will they would weld casing pipe together and uh i've seen better welds on casing pipe than i've seen here and and and even even the workmanship of the welder you know you know they're supposed to have a nice uh fine way to you know when they lay the bead uh this doesn't there is no workmanship here at all it looks like this guy got the fattest rod he could find and just stuck it into the into the metal and splattered all over the place and whatever came out came out and and and obviously if you want to do a corrosion investigation here with all these issues and and remember uh girth wells are a big deal uh and you and you could see uh the poor workmanship you could you could see many defects of uh of gaps and and and uh uh porosity and um oh my gosh i can't there's so many there's so many defects here i can't even name them all but but but this is what happens when when you let uh people that are not certified uh to to work on pipelines um i don't think this was done in this country but i just wanted to pass that on uh that we would not be able to do something like that uh when when it came to using our string or any other um uh calculation so so what are we talking about now that we saw that it's bad enough um you know we got the cost of pipe materials now now now we need to think about the repair materials the labor to put them on you know and and and and something like that would have to be a cutout i'm not saying you couldn't put a sleeve on that but i i wouldn't want to even attempt it because of of all the uh issues that are with with that particular piece of pipe i mean that that would be a definite cutout in my opinion so so so this is one of the things that we need to look at is is not only just the cost of the the pipe itself but how can we repair it uh and bring it back to to the established malp or maybe even to the design what if you're going to operate the pipeline down the road um you need to think about that because you may be operating at one pressure but it's good for a higher pressure and somebody says well why don't we raise oh we lost something here uh why don't we raise the uh uh established maop so so we need to prioritize the sections for for repair and that's that's one of the big challenges and and and we have different methods type either like a type b steel sleeve you know becomes a pressure retaining vessel so if you did have cracking that would be a perfect application uh you could use your composite sleeves as appropriate but keep in mind one of the things that the regulators say is for a permanent repair so so do they do all these repair methods meet that definition so keep that in mind and then and this is one of the approaches that that we have to think about when we're coming to to repairs uh we're not just there to just slap on a composite sleeve or just put it uh just clean the pipe with a wire brush and re-coat it you know if it doesn't need um um and you know uh uh anything to to uh uh you know as a complete repair to uh pole pressure but these are the kind of things we need to really think about is we want to do it right the first time because uh even even just to clean and recoat requires surface preparation it requires the materials that need to be uh put on there properly and applied properly uh and and and they're going to be a permanent repair so so we just can't blow that off and then we need to think about the uh excessive repairs uh do we need to repair everything or uh because we deal with immediate we deal with schedule and and and then and then we have remaining uh you know what's left and they they could be scheduled out ingly so so keep that in mind that that we have a good process for making that determination and then factoring in the effects of metal loss on on operations what happens if we do run into the situation where we don't have the materials ready immediate pressure reduction so so so so these are the kind of things that we need to keep thinking about uh they should be in part of the process or when you're involved in in digs you should have uh pressure tested height in co in case it's required to do a cutout all this all this should be done in preparation before you even start so so you don't have some of the problems that that you need to think about and where does that go back to well that goes back to having a system that that you could uh that that you could come up and determine to see what's going on you could predict you have the ability because once you have the data in there then now you have the predictive capabilities of of of thinking about uh what you can be doing for the for the next go around for for the next ili run you could be planning all this and you and you could be budgeting and this is this is where all this comes together so so so the solutions are you know simulating we should be able to simul simulate these and optimize these repairs determining the reassessment in our interval if we have a certain corrosion rate okay and we're not slowing it down you know whether it's internal or external or both it could they could be two different ones and we're not controlling that then then we're losing you know our grip on it you know because to keep the cost down you know do we need to uh whether it's internal or external you know do we have enough cleaning pigs do we have enough inhibitor buy signs is this no longer an episodic line is it is it now a truly wet line based on on the water that that uh we're pushing out you know these are the things that you need to keep keep ahead of the game and then able to pinpoint the corrosion to minimize investigative digs have we established that process where where we could do this you know we could establish that on our gis systems and this this is one of the things on our mapping systems and and and and in in our centralized database systems so so that's why it's important to centralize these cases and and when we're doing the big picture we could look at it from the standpoint are we doing like similar analysis do we have the same situation at point d as we do in point e or or or or point to m you know do we need to start looking at it that way so so we could do that like similar analysis and know where to focus our attention and then of course then then comes the uh inspection uh inline inspection remember that inline inspection is after the fact what we want to do is is start reducing those effects you know it uh we don't want to be having a dog chasing his tail each time and so so so this is one of the things that we need to think about is we got to stop that break that cycle and then we could start going from there joseph joe really do appreciate it um so if roughly 15 minutes left we'll we'll kind of truck do the rest of this and make sure we have enough time for the q a um so similarly as the other two uh uh everyone where the simple case study here is uh kind of back to an example with an operator an engineering team for this one actually pertains to a really large um fortune 500 company uh operator to be exact with assets all over um needed a needed a solution to repair critical corroded sections this is external corrosion by the way of pipe in a right of way that identified long length corrosion areas uh that needed repair to operate it safely so um and again when you think about this um you know this particular group had different solutions there's different ways to do this right it's it's no secret but when you have or when you operate a lot of mileage of pipe when you have uh a lot of work coming in you know to do this quickly and to do this effectively it can be tough and also do it accurately right um you know there's asme b 31g there's modified b 31g that are level one analyses our string is a level two analysis which means it's much more accurate it's taking a different are using a different calculation via a three-phase folios factor instead of a uh astm b31 d31g modified so what's the solution for this group is again back to the corrosion suite um uh this particular group looked at taking r string plus which is an advanced version of r string that actually saves a lot of time for organizations why because r string itself again a much more advanced accurate calculation but it's just looking at and taking one analysis of where if you simulated a wall thickness or pristine pipe here what is needed to be done per calculation no matter how long the corroded area is to safely operate that pipe at your maximum operating pressure what our stream plus do is it automates that so let's say you enter your desired maop for this particular pipe based on grade smice od whatever you know um p design etc and um it's going to automate based upon the pickups and corrosion you've uploaded that you've uploaded automate uh the number of sections you need to simulate a wall repair now what that repair is a coating sleeve whatever it may be simulating pristine pipe in that area so you can safely operate your pipe um at that desired maop so what does this do no matter how long your corrosion length is this provides the engineers a tool to run their analysis effectively and reliably in a very quick manner so if you have miles of corroded pipe not even miles if you have just meters or if you have yards or feet of corroded pipe this allows you to uh in a quick manner simulate what areas need to be um uh correct what areas need to be fixed instead of digging up in this instance you know yards if not miles of pipe it allows your engineers to quickly simulate the exact area and via automation so that is the our stream plus solution that is married in the pipeline hub and what is all this done by this is all done via the pipeline hub which is an integrated platform and digital transformation within the oil and gas industry so the pipeline hub allows you to leverage your asset data that marries together different applications and i'll go into those applications here in a second across the pipeline life cycle pipeline toolbox is included in this you have the corrosion suite which we talked about today um and then we also have different suites as well crossing suite integrity suite inspection suite etc this allows for standardization transfer of knowledge and allows your organization to scale as it grows very quickly and effectively the uh everything i just mentioned plus all of the sme support onboarding and adoption that is provided by technical toolboxes sorry i'm getting a little a little feedback here um so what applications are centered around the hub many of you probably know of pipeline toolbox you probably have also heard of r string as well but within the hub again it's an integrated environment right we have different suites that cover the entire pipeline life cycle from crossings integrity corrosion welding hydraulics and inspections today our focus was around corrosion corrosion consists of r string some ecda components ac mitigation and various uh aspects of pipeline toolbox and fluid uh simulation models as well but you can see it's not just within corrosion that is centered within the pipeline hub you have integrity suites crossing suites others as well that i just mentioned but again to briefly recap today's corrosion webinar really really do appreciate it joe pikas um kind of going through that within the corrosion suite itself um it offers uh of course pipeline toolbox and the corrosion modules within that cathode of protection corrosion etc our stream plus for that level two analysis uh some external corrosion direct assessment components and of course the ac mitigation power tool now with that what i also wanted to make sure you all aware of as i went through of course the software aspects of the hub but please make sure that technical toolboxes has a whole nother arm of our organization uh which is our training arm some of you have probably attended that some of you may not have ever heard about it but uh you know of course technical toolboxes offers and licenses software that's all centered in our pipeline hub but within our training uh we have different training courses centered around our string and defect assessment we have a course coming up at the beginning of october on that external corrosion direct assessment another coming up in mid october october 11th we have cathartic protection and buried pipe training webinar coming up uh and again late october and then different uh trainings come up with microbiology influence on corrosion pipeline ac interference and corrosion management for aging pipelines each of those have different smes some of them you'll be blessed to hear from joe pikus again if it's an archery or defect assessment training uh but there's others as well that's led by dave willoughby and other industry experts please feel free to visit our website if you wanted to learn more about those trainings where you can receive professional development hours certifications etc so with that said let's go to the q a um i have some emails drawn up joe that i wanted to go ahead and and um start asking you sir so um the first one joe is kind of very quickly joe what what are the benefits you see in technical toolboxes ac mitigation program versus others because so the follow-up question to that is it's like hey we know there's scs we know there's also what does the ac mitigation program offer in the hub that maybe the other programs do not if there are any that's a great question and and one of the things that the ac mitigation power tool offers is is the ease of use in the sense that it's designed for pipeline engineers and and you don't have to be a power person or a double e and and that makes a big difference in in the assessment of the um uh uh of the likelihood of of of uh basic corrosion the assessment of uh faults and things of this nature and i would say uh because because of that ease of use it doesn't make it simpler it just makes it uh in a way that pipeline engineers understand versus you know being a power person designing substations that's the difference it's meant for people designing pipelines not substations appreciate that joe um another question for you joe can my peers see the r string cases that i created looks like this user utilizes our string can my peers see the r string cases that created in my district and can i view their district cases so we can analyze the entire line together absolutely this this is the purpose this is actually the purpose for uh what we've been talking about today is is is that everybody has a stake in in these digs everybody has a stake in in in the integrity of the pipeline it's not just limited to a pipeline group uh that's the design that includes design engineers um everyone working because it's about integrity it's it's about the maintaining the safety of the pipeline so so so everybody should have a stake and understand what's going on and and because you know when we look at things with a different eye or set of eyes uh it's amazing oh yeah i i saw that before and and yeah i recognize that that particular type of an anomaly or or or indication and and and this and this is important for for the uh for for everyone to understand so when you're doing a root cause and analysis this is what the bottom line is you know why why are we experiencing these type of problems and these types of this type of corrosion and and it's important that uh everyone understand that and see it appreciate that joe um a little bit of a slightly off-the-wall question but i believe it's good for the topic at hand today from a technical standpoint um looks like an operator or maybe a service provider i'm not sure is they're dealing with solar farms and they're having dc interferences as well as ac how can that be that's the question joe okay yeah well i think i covered some of it but let me give you the remaining part of it um that was a great question um one of the things uh like like anything else you know there's dc power there's dc power lines too you know they're out west uh and and and they transmit a lot of energy and then they convert it back to ac and sometimes uh when they go into a fault mode uh they'll discharge the ground okay and uh and hopefully they don't design them that they use the ground as the negative and and unfortunately uh we don't have controls over solar farms okay we're hoping that they have a return a negative return on everything and and that it's uh properly set up so it it doesn't leak current to the earth and and but the problem is is we don't know you know um what's going on because there's no rules or regulations on solar farms you know they they build their own things and and i know in south america we had an experience where the the potentials on the pipeline were totally depressed uh in that area and then and and of course then they picked up on each side which kind of tells me um that they're experiencing some issues there whatever it may be whether it's affecting ground or or is it a true interference and this is and this is where studies come in you know to make those assessments yet you know am i seeing just a ground depression or is it truly uh uh uh interference and these and this is where uh experience comes in to make those determinations awesome joe appreciate your insight into that um looks like they someone wants to expand a little bit more on kind of my case study about the zero out method and r string plus joe uh the question is can you tell me how to simulate corrosion effects long length corrosion to optimize repairs using the zero out method could you expand on that joe sure um i'll be glad you you know the zero out method was was set up for the purpose of uh doing many digs per year and and and the whole purpose was uh there are many effective areas uh let's just take an example it's 120 inches long of corrosion okay and when you go to run the calculations you're gonna you're gonna see uh you know many areas that look basically uh the same depth and and you're saying well why why is it only sh why is my program only showing that one and i got 120 inches of of uh length of corrosion you know from from a few mils up to whatever you know 100 150 or 200 mils deep and so so one of the things it does which uh is is it shows all the effective areas okay this is the only program that shows uh all the effective areas that impact the established maop and and what what the zero out method does it zero out the only those areas of concern that need to be repaired now now well now we're not saying you know you don't have uh you you could still repair the 120 inches if you want that's up to you but what we're saying is why not it's up to you depending on um the type of method of of uh sleeves that you're using why not just repair the areas that um that the that the r string program uh points out and so the zero out method shows those areas of concern and and then if you repair them they'll bring your your pipe back up to uh the established malp that it was designed to do or or or the design pressure if you want to go back up to original design uh so so we allow either either or um established or p design pressure design and and only only make the repairs that have to be made uh we're not saying uh and and this could save uh particularly when you're using the what i'll call the yellow jacket that's very expensive um and they're only about 11 inches long if if you could just put a few of them on instead of 10 or 15 on on on the pipeline uh you just saved yourself probably you know a couple hundred thousand dollars you know depending on the diameter of the line and that doesn't include the labor joe i appreciate that we have a few questions and unfortunately i'm gonna have to go unanswered i want to be mindful of everyone's time i uh um see some people filing out but uh there was a couple questions let me make sure answer this very quickly uh will we have access to the recording yes you will um we will take this webinar we will upload it to our youtube page i don't have a time frame on that but that will be coming um so when that is there uh be on the lookout for our youtube page when we uh upload that there and stuart como will be reaching out to everyone one of our colleagues here where he can disseminate that information around and really to get your feedback on the webinar or any unanswered questions that we can answer would be great um but again thank you thank you thank you everyone again if your questions want unanswered we will follow up with you directly on some of those um to make sure uh we address that i'm sorry that we ran out of time a little bit today but thank you all for joining today's webinar hope you've got at least something out of this whatever that may be but thank you all for attending we're going to have more of these coming up again in september um and then in october etc for those of you that are in canada technical toolboxes will be attending and boothing at the ipc international pipeline conference in calgary in late september so uh for any of you that are attending that please stop by our booth we will most definitely be there be excited to see you and shake your hand talk a little more there but nonetheless thank you everyone have a great rest of your tuesday and enjoy the rest of your week bye you