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the broadcast is now starting all attendees are in listen only mode good afternoon everyone good morning depending on where you are and uh you're part of the world uh my name is joseph ladner i'm going to be serving as the moderator for today's panel discussion and uh we are happily joined by an industry name that some of you may know of some of you have may not joe pikas we got two joseph's on the day hope there's not too much confusion there but we'll introduce joe here in a second um again appreciate everyone joining we're going to have a discussion today centered really fully around crossings and you know crossings come in many types right you know open trench trenchless different types of crossings encroachments etc we're honestly going to be talking about it all um just just in a couple different areas what you see and kind of hear from the industry from an operator and service provider perspective but you know also of course you know technical toolbox is a software company so how that relates back to software and going through tools that can help you all um in your course of business either being productive saving time or saving cost so with that being said um let's go through our agenda today ladies and gentlemen so we're going to have three areas of discussions or topics per se uh that our subject matter expert joe pikas and myself are going to go through in more detail and that's honestly going to be in three different areas the first one is going to be in macro level strategies to managing crossings we'll go through that go through some example use cases challenges and solutions in the industry and then we'll have a case study uh prepared for each of them of how our software addresses these challenges next we're going to go into the role of design and successful crossings rather if you're a service provider or operator alike and then same manner as i mentioned above in the first topic and then last we're going to go into managing active crossings under an encroachment and then we're going to go into just some general information and insight from technical tool boxes next steps and then last open mic q a after that when i say openmic it will be submitting questions through the chat bar uh some of you submitted questions via email to us beforehand uh to our our internal moderator stuart como and we got those queued up and we're going to have those ready to go as well but as you have questions this is going to be fully interactive ladies and gentlemen please don't hold them to the end submit those through the chat bar and we'll field those at the end or if you like save them to the end furthermore um we're gonna have two poll questions throughout our uh discussion today one here at the beginning and probably about a couple minutes and one towards the end so we actively uh and encourage your active participation in those polls um because they are very helpful for um industry metrics that we do uh that we do keep so let's do a little introductory um i'll get to myself here in a second but let's start off with the important people first um let's go mr joe pikas um joe for those of you that don't know him many of you do has over 50 years of experience 55 to be exact if i know you're right joe within pipeline engineering serving as an expert within the industry in areas such as risk coatings cathodic protection design crossings ac mitigation and integrity just just to honestly name a few joe is of course an engineer by trade and in 2009 he received the nace distinguished service award one of many accolades he has collected throughout his distinguished career furthermore as a leading voice in the industry mr pikas has contributed to more than 50 technical papers um to the industry in various forms such as trade magazines conferences or even with uh prci um some of those you've probably read before and mr joe pikas is going to be serving as our expert on our subject matter subject matter expert ie sme panel and then to myself i'll keep it short obviously serving as your moderator i'm a director of engineering performance advisors um i oversee your team of sales account executives and customer success here at the tech and toolboxes um support previous experience i uh graduated with a degree in engineering many years ago started my career as a field engineer with halliburton before moving into consulting and been a technical tool boxes ever since so we're excited to have you all on today but before we go into our uh our topics of discussion let's launch a poll so i'm gonna go through our first question here let me go ahead and launch all right so i'm gonna uh distribute the poll might be having a little technical difficulties i apologize the poll should be in progress um what do you use an engineering tools for crossings there are five different answer choices crossing calculations or analyses managing encroachments integrity management pipeline design or something other than the above again five different choices i'll leave this up for another uh maybe 20 seconds as you take a look but again what do you use your engineering tools um for crossings i would like to hear from the audience here another 10 seconds looks like crossing calculations and analyses is uh specifically for that which is good you're here for the right webinar but integrity management and design is obviously key as well another five seconds we'll close it out two one all right let's close it so let's share the results all right um looks like uh if you are seeing the results that i'm seeing uh roughly half the votes pertain to crossings calculations and or analyses um followed by integrity management and pipeline design and not too many votes for the others so um we'll go ahead and hide that and uh hopefully everyone is back seeing the uh the panel screen and we will go into today's first topic of discussion and that is going to be macro level strategies to managing crossings and to start this discussion off we're going to hand it over to mr joe pikas here in about 10 seconds but what joe is going to do everyone is introduce the topic at hand he's going to go through different challenges that not only he has seen but in the different industry experiences and roles he's been what does the industry see and macro level challenges involving crossings and then what solutions are out there ie also what solutions that uh technical toolboxes can provide mr pikas it's all yours sir well thank you very much joseph and i appreciate it uh you know one of the things um we see sometimes is um or maybe we don't realize is the number of of challenges and crossings that could occur when when uh when areas pick up in other words uh let me give you an example back in the early 70s you know one calls uh weren't very common except for one state the state of new jersey and um and the district i'm going to talk about had about 10 000 one calls come in per month now the majority of them kind of could be written off i would say probably 90 but probably about 95 percent of them very quickly you know but there was still 10 facts you're still somebody had to go and manage those encroachments okay uh and and people don't like to think about managing you know their encroachments how do they deal with it well they they they true the facts as a way that didn't didn't apply and then the remaining ones they worked on well is that is that a way to run a show well back then we didn't have the tools that we have today and that that's what they did and then and then they focused on the remaining 100 or so you know that but a hundred is still a lot even today and and and how are your teams managing it how do you know which or which uh they've made mistakes and that's one of the problems you know um i noticed we nobody liked the word managed manage their um you know their their their uh encroachments but you have to and what's the problem you know the difficulty of of trying to keep up you know are you keeping your records up to today do you do you want to know where they are is there a duplication of of of some of these that are coming in and and what about the ones that you missed and in a lot of these encroachments the um even though the one calls come in and things start happening uh they may not take place for for weeks or months later you know they that or you get a letter from the uh engineering company or or another uh competitor or company and and advising you that there's going to be a movement across across your five pipelines just say let's just say we have a multiple pipe pipeline right away and then all of a sudden you you're going to have some uh some work to do it's just not one line and they're all different diameters and and different spices and different coatings and different um uh construction techniques and things of this nature you know somewhere erw some some artisan uh combination of things and and and some were put in in the early late 40s early 50s right up to uh today and they go from 30 inch up to up to 48 inch how about that for uh a challenge so and and how do you respond do do do you still have those same districts and divisions you have in your company are they all on the same page how do you do your your reporting format are you looking at this in a holistic viewpoint or is it let's just take it you know one at a time and whatever comes out you know that's that district's responsibility just you know district manager and and these are our challenges and and we're offering uh solutions of managing encroachments because they need to be managed because they can come back and bite you later and and and and gives you an automated solution of how to manage these and we're going to get into the specifics of crossings uh you know whether you're using wheel load track load api 1102 or or gptc gas piping technology which probably most people don't did didn't even hear about or don't even recognize you know uh you know when you got to do different crossings and we'll talk about that a little bit later but but we also need to have have it where we could respond correctly and and in a timely manner and more importantly consistent we need to be consistent and this is this is where our solutions come into an integrated environment you know to to to make this happen and this is really what it's about and how could it happen if we don't have a central data storage system when we're when we have all these uh different divisions or disparate divisions and districts and and and and they're all doing their own thing and and i know this still happens today uh i've seen some of it happen uh particularly with the larger you know 10 000 mile plus yeah or even 5 000 mile plus pipelines and and all the construction that still is going on today because of the different uh issues um around the world so uh particularly in the in the in the natural gas areas so with that um we need to be thinking about um you know um how quickly we could respond and and and and especially into the areas of of challenging uh and managing and here's the key word managing encroachments and we'll talk about that management encroachment tool a little bit later but i just wanted to introduce you to before we get started and joseph will pick it up from here and and and take it from the next step awesome appreciate that mr pikas um so let's kind of go on to the the the next slide here so with mr pikus going through uh macro level challenges and solutions what's what is the solution what what is the industry doing so let's go through a very relevant case study that is that is honestly not old ladies and gentlemen this is um uh you know roughly about three to four months old so we uh an operator that we work within the industry uh within north america very large operator uh some of this operator might have joined today you might be able to guess just by process implementation but uh they manage over 80 000 miles of pipe within north america very large um but i'm just really talking about specific region eastern seaboard here i used to mississippi i guess i should say and um you know previously different groups uh you know the organization acquired different groups we know you know how that goes all right the different groups siloed using internal spreadsheets some utilized pipeline toolbox willow track loads some utilized um different their own management system stuff like that and it was duplication of efforts it was tough for management to kind of see what everyone's doing there's a lack of standardization right so what what's the solution here uh some of you may have seen this some of you might already be using it but within technical tool boxes pipeline hub we have an encroachment manager application now the encroachment manager doesn't necessarily run a wheel load or track load analysis a concentrated point load or a surface serial load it is a management system ladies and gentlemen and what this did for this operator is it centralized all their crossing information into one platform standardization so that teams were aligned and much more efficient that's in regards to reporting consolidated area for reporting a consolidated area for different analyses they ran for an encroachment you know that could range from a blasting a testing a crossings analysis maybe it's our stream from an inline inspection hydra test you name it it consolidates into this into one area it also has an integrated gis mainframed app for an ease of use on the engineer individual contributor level um i can go into more detail on this uh later in the discussion today but at the end of the day the encroachment manager when married into the hub and integrated with different applications such as hdd crossings blasting you name it really creates synergy in a centralized environment for this operator to now manage all their encroachments right and again as you all have questions please feel free to submit them as they come we will hold any questions to the end but as you see something relevant please submit your question and we'll of course get to it as they come in but on to the next topic the role of design in a successful crossing you know design can be greenfield projects but it could also be replacement brownfield projects you probably think api 1102 willow track load comes into play there as well but mr pikas is going to go into that in a lot more detail about what that what are the challenges the industry faces in this area and then also what is the strategy or maybe what are the solutions to address these challenges mr pikas back over to you okay well thank you joseph and and crossing design challenges and solutions well you can look at like joseph said um many different ways um let's take drilling hdd that's a crossing we have to look at it from from from from that standpoint how do we look at it uh well we we want to get the maximum thrilling efficiency during the entering the pull through but we need to look look at control of the bore you know chime pressure construction recommendations you know we're we're looking at ways you know uh to do it do we have the right equipment this this applies also to just the plain old crossing you know uh like like we talked about uh what we have uh mold we have many different types of crossings that we could calculate uh from 11 1102 steel pipe uh track load wheel load uh we got hdd both on the steel pipe and the light side and then and and then we have um a boat load of force for distribution folks of a polyethylene or pe pipe or or plastic pipe for for live loads and and and static loads so what i what we're saying is is no matter what situation you're in whether you're on the distribution end you're you're on the midstream end uh or or uh the uh uh of of the gathering end uh you still have the same challenges you know you have to put pipes in you have to cross i don't care what phase of the piping system or product system you you're in you know from from gathering uh at the wellhead to uh to the end user you've somewhere you're going to run into these challenges and and and things that we're going to we're going to be talking about and we need to consid example we need to consider all the factors let's just take an hdd crossing we need to control the board just like you need to control that crossing with equipment you need to be looking how how am i going to do this how am i going to get those calculations out i'm going to have maybe five or six pieces of equipment crossing that my right away and that's a challenge and and how do i get that information out quickly this thing same thing if we're doing a borehole we want to have four-hole stability how do we calculate that to prevent uh in event in advance uh returns you know in the wrong place like like in a very sensitive area so so so we need to continue to be on top of all of this just like you're doing a design for an hdd we need to anticipate you know where where the where these uh crossings may come and then we need to look at the existing utilities that are already out there that we have to deal with not only our own pipelines but what is beneath us or over us that need to be considered so so this is a complex i'm looking at it from from different perspectives but but we need to be thinking about this and then the construction complex complex build uh complexity you know somebody shows up with with different various uh track code capabilities or or bulldozers any kind of track equipment and there's all different types front-end loaders uh tri-axle equipment we need to be able to run those calculations very quickly and and be able to calculate whether we have five lines in the right of way or 152 lines in the right way it doesn't make any difference we should be able to uh do that in and with with with simplicity and the in the strat and that and the strategy is is we have to have a way to centralize the cases and the calculations that's back almost we're talking about the encroachment manager uh you know we need to be looking at from that standpoint what about a drill path design and flexibility we we need to be able to do compound curves and bends and and be able to anticipate if something goes wrong that that we're able to recalculate everything in the drill path the programs should have that capability to to make those kind of changes so so keep that in mind we're whether we're on top of the ground running equipment or whether we're doing a drill path it doesn't make any difference the flexibility needs to be there on top of the ground as well as below the ground and then we should be able to have validated crossing designs in other words we should be able to validate and get the same same the same answers each time you know when when we run the calculations so this is our challenges you know and and we need to be able to do this quickly and and with and and consistently throughout um when we're running these calculations with the same reporting mechanisms joseph thank you joe so in regards to that similar manner everyone mr pikas went through the crossing design challenges and solutions let's go through a real world example so joe mentioned there at the beginning if you all caught you know you went into horizontal directional drilling because you know while it's trenchless hdd is a crossing um you know so here is the problem an operator uh this one i believe was in the midwest uh was involved in undertaking an hd project that involved uh i believe it was polyethylene but i believe it was high density polyethylene drill if i recall this one correctly and they needed to quickly evaluate the the pull forced insulation stresses um and then this was from the drilling contractor right that that was the contracted firm so what ultimately happened in this situation was is as we all know within hcd things change on site don't hit anything right um they had to move the hdd the replacement line over i believe uh 50 to 60 feet i you know in this particular situation and um i think had to change a bend due to a below-grade obstacle that they that wasn't in their as belts some type of utility so i think they had to do a quick horizontal bend but they wanted to keep the cost down as minimal as possible so the operator actually utilized the hdd advanced power tool program and what they needed to do was you know while a lot of times the experts and the service providers are doing this in this case the drilling contractor you know at the end of the day this asset belongs to the operator and time is money in our industry right so they wanted to have the ability to quickly quickly validate things on their own and that's what they did here so what they did is for this uh this high density polyethylene hd drill um they went into the hdd power tool integrated the survey data that was provided by the by their vendor uh created a two-dimensional cross-sectional overlay to where they were easily able to easily create their hdd drill and they are they utilize the software to quickly validate the these stresses and pull forces um and not that anything was really missed in this situation but it resulted in a very quick change in turnover uh uh in the form of a validation that instead of going out to get this done they were able to do it in-house and do it very quickly and reliably again time is money right so this prevented any overruns scheduling delays stuff such as that and allowed the operator and the service provider alive to stay well within budget and then uh once this was completed and they ran their operational stresses the service provider confirmed everything and everything worked out and worked out really well for both sides so again productivity is key time is key and then obviously both those equate to affecting the bottom line of your organization and getting jobs done reliably that's what this operator is able to do utilizing uh the hd power tool in the hub if you have not heard of that program or seen it feel free to ask questions about it we can certainly go into that more during the q a all right let's go to the final topic at hand here managing your encroachments managing an existing asset uh under an encroachment that's key in our industry right there are many many many models of liquid and gas pipelines just in the united states you adding canada north america alone it's vast it is vast managing all that can be stressful and it is a key component within the industry mr pikus is going to go into managing active crossings and why that is the challenge in our industry and what the solution can be so back over to you mr pikas for talking about our third and final topic at hand today thank you um active crossings yes let's let's take a situation um you get an emergency one call and it's a uh it's the water service provider for a small city a small town okay and all of a sudden he just happens to have a leak on a one meter diameter pipeline approximately three feet and um uh they have to get they have to cross your system and you and remember i mentioned uh i have five pipelines in my right way and they they go from 30 inch up to 48 inch okay so um these guys got to get across there somehow with all their equipment and they just happen to have uh they they they send you the information there's six pieces of equipment uh you know from trackhoes uh to to front-end loaders to you know you name it you know and and and this is and they need an answer in about an hour because they're on their way and what are you gonna do it's like wow i gotta i gotta i got a problem but i can't call houston well you could we'll help you out but anyway uh you got a time sense of sensitive issue okay uh it's immediate this this is not an immediate dig this is immediate like get get get moving and so so so so one of the things you have to need to think about doing very quickly is how could how can i come up with the answer on that well we have a thing called workflow it's called a crossing workflow uh calculator and we mentioned this earlier some of you may have seen it and you say well i'm not going to be using that well guess what you got six pieces of equipment that you have to analyze five different pipelines and they're going to be crossing somewhere in on your pipe on your piping system and you've got to make a decision okay you know and and they already told you where approximately where they're going to cross well using the workflow will allow you to put all six pieces of equipment in there and all five pipes and you can calculate it one time instead of 30 different times okay so when you're into issues like that now uh you're going to run into this it doesn't have to be time sensitive but the thing of it is it's going to again you're going to get consistency you're going to get your results very quickly instead of running it 30 different times maybe in three hours you'll be done well you can do it one time get the information in and you're finished and you'll be able to help out these folks on what pieces of equipment could cross and and what areas need to be mitigated like maybe maybe put concrete slabs in there or maybe even a timber bridge where a big piece of equipment is coming in so so these are the kind of things that are you could you could respond appropriately because remember there are emergency one calls they do happen and and you need to plan you know for this and and and this is this is what i'm talking about multiple pipeline crossings uh down here in in the houston area uh um there's uh there's an area um on the east side of houston that has over 152 crossings so how would you like to deal with that mess so so these these are things are some of our challenges and and this is allows us to do the construction impact very quickly so so this is what it's about uh we could get the we can maximize the um accessibility for these cases and calculations in in a consistent and very quick manner and but more importantly auto mult auto automate the multiple pipe cr crossing analysis uh without doing 30 different iterations uh um and where you can make mistakes you know putting the same information in over and over again so with that joseph i'm going to leave it uh with you with the uh uh where we just solved a major catastrophe with uh uh able to respond quickly most definitely appreciate it joe so again managing active crossings the challenges and solutions to those so mr pike has talked quite a bit ladies and gentlemen about the crossings workflow um you know that's an advanced version of you know quite honestly the api 1102 wheel load track load that's in pipeline toolbox it has automation layered to it there's going to be some huge advancements to this program coming uh november of this year in the forum of cepa but i i don't want to go down that that road right now and i want to kind of go into the case study of a real life kind of situation um from earlier this year actually um it was a large engineering team that manages many different encroachments for their their clients which would be operators throughout the industry but the same case study is actually um uh is very similar for a couple of operators we work with that you know just joe mentioned in encroachments or crossings that they manage alone are very intense involve multiple vehicles multiple pipelines etc so uh this particular indus uh team uh you know struggled of turning over crossings analyses quickly not that they could do it but you know workloads high you know we're all lean we're all strapped with the amount of time in the day that we can do things so um uh uh the time needed or required to address these pipeline crossings especially the ones that involve multiple iterations do you add timbermats do you not there is a multiple vehicles crossing do i assume worst case scenario the heaviest weighted vehicle or i know this wheeled vehicle is gonna be applying the most weight to this shallow pipe i'm just gonna run worst case scenario um or maybe you they were just relying on different processes and this involved lack of you know lack of productivity um different reports they were having to generate the uh sometimes they would just assume worst case scenario and not running analysis across the board they did not have a tool that could save them time well here comes the crossing workflow which is a part of our crossings bundle of pro a part of technical toolboxes crossings bundle by the way so once this was implemented with a nice training session with yours of course mr joe bikus this organization was able to reduce the team that was required to run just 80.102 wheel low track load analyses alone it was for a team of seven that brought it down to a team of two for this particular situation which when you extrapolated this out over the course of a year when you involved the time needed the amount of money needed to update their in-house analyses it was a savings of 1.2 million dollars a year when you involve the time factor on it as well and those other five engineers were able to go to other projects and affect the bottom line of their organization effectively it was an awesome case study and this is all attributed to the crossings workflow which again ladies and gentlemen has automation and times as automation layered into this workflow that enables huge amounts of time savings so again that is our third and final kind of point of topic today but where does all this culminate to ladies and gentlemen that is the pipeline hub if you all came to this webinar today to learn more about crossings in general hopefully that was helpful to you but this is kind of where we talk a little bit more about the software itself for those of you that currently work or have software with technical toolboxes you are probably on our pipeline hub which is an integrated data environment it is there to serve as your digital transformation for oil and gas it's an integrated environment so what does that mean well there's data data sharing knowledge transfer standardization i just mentioned the crossings workflow right that is a workflow automation tool i.e you've utilized api 1102 wheel load track load or something of the sort design of unc crossing before how can you layer automation to that to make your job easier that's what the hub in these applications do when you integrate that together and it's all combined with integrated software whether it's corrosion crossings welding integrity you name it subject matter expert support from the likes of joe pikas david willoughby jeff walling matt boring some names you've probably heard onboarding training etc the lack of standard ways or having automation to conduct and produce complex calculations and design construction operations and integrity could lead to lack of productivity that's that's the challenge with the people right that's the challenge within people processes and technology now the process part involves slow manual documentation or data entry that creates a lack of data or trust and what you're entering into your calculations from the user perspective the hub improves that by reducing duplication of efforts efforts and where you can share your analyses across different suites and different applications that you see here on the screen that integrates into the hub and the last part is technology where this uh where this slide really comes into play you have disconnected engineering tools right hey i'm accessing pipeline toolbox for this i got my excel spreadsheet for that my internal use software for that i'm subcontracting out this vendor for that what if you can align all that into an integrated platform while the hub isn't going to solve all our challenges that's not what we're here to talk about today what it can do is create an integrated environment and standardization across your entire organization and the aspects of crossings which is what we're here and what we've been talking about today we have different suites or different applications in that suite from horizontal directional drilling to crossings to encroachment management and then what you see in pipeline toolbox you have other suites that involve integrity corrosion welding hydraulics inspections you name it and all of these have integrated gis and uh you know big data analytics big data tools available within the hub as well so recapping our conversation today everyone we're getting ready to go to the fun part which is the q a we've already got some questions queued up so please start submitting those um as we get closer to that but to recap you know we talked about the different uh challenges that we're facing within crossings within the industry today if you're an operator or service provider alike um within the crossing suite itself all of this is integrated into the pipeline hub platform this consists of of course what you see in pipeline toolbox one of our newest applications which is the encroachment manager the advanced horizontal directional drilling power tool which has many many capabilities integrated gis allows for compound angle and bins for both steel and plastic piping you can upload two-dimensional data to create a two-dimensional cross-sectional overlay via survey data or what you get from say google earth and then it has the integrated crossings workflow which has that automation in there that automation engine in there to run crossings analyses quicker so organizations are coming to us when companies need to meet their industry challenges through digital transformation areas areas of standardization team collaboration improving efficiency data disparity and data integrity and that's what these different applications do within the hub so in summary what we're going to do next is we're going to do a little q and a session ladies and gentlemen before we do that we have one last fold question to submit um if you are in the lookout for training we do have various defect assessment trainings that mr joe pikas teaches coming up in september we have welding imperfection and api 1104 courses uh we have surface loading courses taught by benjamin zhan in areas of crossings uh that that involves uh uh sulfur aspect 2 of api 1102 wheel load track load mr david willoughby teaches many horizontal directional drilling courses of various levels and anywhere anywhere in between right pipeline testing you name it so let's go with our last poll question it's going to be what about the pipeline hub interests you the most so let's go ahead and launch this tool we're distributing the poll you should be getting in here shortly there's going to be again five answers for you to choose again what about the pipeline hub interests you it's going to be time savings capabilities through automation standardization helps with compliance ever-changing regulations or asset data management and gis integration or something other than the above so i see the votes coming in so that gives me the cue that you are able to see this so i'm going to have this up for about 20 seconds ladies and gentlemen about 20 seconds and i'll close and we'll get to the q a it's about 15 more seconds thank you time savings and standardization is key right it doesn't surprise me that that's where the answers are going to about 10 more seconds 10 more seconds everyone encourage participation from everyone about five more seconds all righty three two one we're going to close let's share the results all right what interests you the most time savings how can we do our job quicker right there's only a finite amount of time in the day standardization for the larger organizations and even within your group and then rounding out with asset and data management and gis integration not overly surprising all righty so let's go to the q a um for those of you that have any questions we will be reaching out to you for just feedback on this webinar hopefully for those of you that joined you got out of it what you wanted to get out of this if you did not we want to hear from you like hey i expected this i got this we want to hear from you if your question goes unanswered let us know we also want to hear from you if you have specific questions we want to hear from you as well so we'll have different uh colleagues reaching out to you all um if you have questions because we'd love to hear from you all right so uh q a um i'm going to open up the chat bar if there's any questions that are coming in please feel free to submit them um i've already mr pikas you and i both know we've already got some beforehand that users were submitting via email going in today so let's start with those joe and as more questions come uh i'll be monitoring the uh uh the chat there so any and all questions in regards to crossings anyone if it's technical in nature if it's about software it's about training um if it's about something involving an encroachment please submit your question so joe um looks like someone has a question regarding the encroachment tool does the encroachment tool allow you to track the locations of the encroachment on arcgis map question for you joe that's a great question um yes it does and and and vice versa you could tr track it um on the arcgis map and you could also track it uh what we call the hierarchy too uh where where you manage your files and things of this nature uh or your cases that you create and and this is this is one of the things that uh makes it so useful is is that you can come back to that location anytime either either from the map itself or or or or from the file great great question got you joe i'm going to go to another question here i i believe this is going to pertain to the crossings workflow how many variables joe can be put into the multi-pipe crossings analysis which the multi-pipe would probably pertain to the crossings workflow again how many variables can be put into the multi-pipe crossings analysis uh uh it's based on the size of your screen um yeah so uh unfortu yeah one one of the things about the variables is um um hope hopefully you don't put 50 down there but uh we could you should be able to cover uh most of the pieces of equipment or or or lines that you have now you may have to split it up uh or unless you have a 52 or 55 inch screen or something you know it at work so um but but that that's what it's based on is is the ability to see it i can provide a little bit more clarity there um and i appreciate that joe i know personally our uh software r d and support had tested this tool to failure um at 99 ie when it got over 100 it it was the limitation currently um you know so for how many variables you can put in there um if if variables is pertaining to different iterations or yes pipes or equipment uh it's it's 99 is where it's at now to directly answer that question yes thank you yeah uh joe i got one that's near and dear to you probably uh can the wheel can the wheel or track load allow for our string metal loss program to integrate the reduced metal loss at crossing and i can repeat that if need be joe yes uh that's a great uh i was going to demo that if i could but one of the one of the things is say you experience metal loss and you're and and you're somewhat aware of it or you're aware of it that uh that that it it's at a particular crossing uh you could pull up that particular r string case and and and bring it up and it will actually give you the um remaining wall of and put it in your calculation which which is pretty nice because because uh you have to remember when you're running these crossing calculations the crossing calculations were originally designed around uh as the pipe was designed you know with no metal loss in it well unfortunately or fortunately the lines have lasted many years you know 75 plus years or more and and and and because of that we now have to consider the integrity of the pipeline itself and those and that and there be there and i don't say corrosion i'm going to use the word metal loss we should be using those calculations that uh you know from our investigative digs in the crossing itself and it'll put it in automatically or you could do it yourself if either way you you have the option to hit the check box and and manually put it in so either way it it can be done and these are great questions because today we should be considering the integrity of the pipe as it is today not when it was first designed 50 years ago or 75 years ago appreciate that joe i got a question that's probably somewhat parallel to this and i of course won't say the name or the the company name but this is from an operator i think i could at least narrow it down from that um so i appreciate the questions submitted um so question for you joe would you be able to expand a little bit on typical defects others have seen from crossings typical defects others have seen from crossing and this is from um you know in engineering design perspective so again typical defects others have seen from crossings if you could just expand on that a little bit for the audience well yes um typically um one of the one of the things we need to think about in crossings is uh you know the number of utilities that have gone in across pipelines you know whether it's cable fiber um uh water and sewer lines uh and and and distribution lines and things of this this nature there's there's a whole host of things um and and they usually go and cross uh in in in in usually in the same places all the time you know they're they're fairly close to each other and uh unfortunately um these these uh some of these crossings are hopefully most of them are above above your line but now and then you do get a um a crossing where it goes underneath and that's where the problems begin you know uh because uh you have contractors out there and sometimes the contractors will get the pipe so it's not uncommon to get some gouges in a pipe it's not uncut common to get coating damage uh if if they're not uh doing their their job properly and identifying the pipe uh and so so these are the kind of things that that um you run into and unfortunately um the types of equipment that sometimes are excavating uh uh you know have an impact too again you could experience some stresses too uh you know depending on on on where it's located and and the depth of cover and things of this nature so so there's a whole host of things that um uh pipelines could experience unfortunately uh with with this constant excavation and and that's the problem you know every time you excavate uh you you have the likelihood of hitting something else in there and this is this is one of this is one of the bad things about um excavation is is is now we do a lot of hdd and the problem is is how well do we control the hdd or where it doesn't hit the pipe and that's another thing um so so so so you got a combination of things that are working against you usually in that same area uh uh so so you got to keep all of those things in mind you know um uh the the the effects of uh uh additional excavations that that caused these issues thank you joe um kind of kind of a a short and sweet question for you does the speed of which the vehicle is crossing a buried asset uh have an effect on your crossings calculation um for a iea pass or fail or what what i guess and the question goes on what effect does speed play absolutely speed definitely in speed and also the um uh the surface of the uh of the right-of-way uh you know the worst thing you need in a world is is is one having one of these tri-axle euclid's running over your pipe at 40 50 miles an hour uh that you know most construction equipment is usually running about you know just a few miles an hour and then uh when you're in these uh areas where you know where they're moving a lot of uh fill and things of this nature uh europe in the coal regions of uh up in the northeast or where whatever and and they're moving a lot of fill uh whatever it is and and there and these these trucks are running at full speed um and they're bumping along uh the the speed and and the surface can play a big role and and and and all of a sudden you know you're putting a a impact factor of 1.5 and you really need to have something like 2.0 you know to cut you know to cover the issues or even greater you know because uh like i say um these guys they get paid by by the truckload or the or the uh the load you know that you know that they're moving around um question for you joe um maybe in our uh from our neighbors up north in uh canada um there was some interest in uh technical tool boxes there there's one question looks like technical toolbox might be integrating cpa joe what is um um the questions for you joe they know you're the expert uh joe what's your experience on what differs between cipa and what's in uh technical toolbox software how does it differ is the question uh well that's a that's a great question uh basically the two are essentially the same um if if if you look at the calculations you're going to get the same answer where the differences are is is the sigma model uh that does a few more little tricks uh they uh they could put in the angle uh you know that they cross instead of uh we recommend you know trying to be at 90 degrees well well they allow that and and i think we're going to look at that in the future that you could put an angle in there uh they also do uh uh in-line calculations for for the for the wheels the tires uh the the width the the the contact area of of of the uh and the tire pressure they consider that and and that's an advantage uh so so so so we uh we always tell our clients that you need to do an offline calculation where the sipa model uh that they have we'll do an in in calculation by putting in the diameter and the pressure of the tire and so on so forth and it'll do it for you automatically so so there is an advantage but the basic calculations behind everything are are essentially uh are essentially the same but it's it's though it's all the little things um that sepa put in a few years ago and uh that makes makes their system uh and a slight advantage over ours where we we recommend that you do an offline calculation determine that contact or surface loading or concentrated loads and that's the difference thank you joe um yeah it actually a really good question there uh uh from the participant um and again everyone the cipa um kind of capability is going to be integrated into technical tool boxes crossing tools come q4 this year so if that's something um that you would see find benefit we can of course follow up with you then on when that's integrated because try to get two more questions and joe we have four minutes uh when accounting for corrosion when you use uh sorry when accounting for corrosion sorry do you use remaining wall in the pit for nominal wall again when accounting for corrosion do you use remaining wall in the pit for the nominal law question for you joe okay well there's two ways to calculate um in our string you could use remaining wall or you could use pit depth okay remaining wall is is typically when you're dealing with internal corrosion because because you're going to be doing ut measurements okay whereas external corrosion is going to be primarily with a pickage or or or laser or structured light so so so you have the capability the program has the capability to do either or so so if you want to use remaining wall you we have a check box if you want to use um pit depth uh we have a check box for that but it does default on on uh our string does default on on pit depth and but it's easy to switch over uh and if you're doing uh tanks and stuff like that they use remaining wall too so so so we we could do calculations like that but but also um you know the main thing is is just be aware it works either either way uh either calculation works fine thank you joe uh let's round out to the final question here i believe there are going to be some to go unanswered we'll certainly follow up with you apologies about that uh just for the sake of time um we got more questions coming in as we speak to uh joe can the crossings tool be used for a situation where heavy equipment is used to compact soil over newly installed pipe um not directly one of one of the things that we um recommend is um it is trench width and and and and trend twist is is important if if the pipe is um underground for 40 50 years uh we know that the compaction uh uh other than um you know um uh systems that that have uh you you know you're in a swampy area or or um you know normal type soils is you're gonna have that support around the pipe um and and a lot of companies and and we don't we don't tell companies how to do it but we recommend that uh you know you have to use your own judgment on on compaction um and so so so so if the pipe has been in the in the uh ground for say let's just say 50 years uh some some operators will just put two inches plus plus the diameter depending on the soil you know it it all it it depends how much moisture is in the soil you know you know if it's saturated obviously you're not going to do that uh where uh compaction uh where it's it's done you'll you'll have to do that yourself you'll have to uh estimate you you know what what you want to make that trench with and and that's that's where the calculation comes in is that trend trench what so so you may want to be conservative and say it's six inches more uh we don't tell you what to do uh you'll have to make an engineering judgment on that okay but in the future thank you yeah good timing there sir we we just finished uh at the top of the hour so for any questions that went unanswered we'll certainly be following up with you again apologies about that but again thank you thank you ladies and gentlemen for joining today's webinar hopefully you found this to be beneficial and uh either in the presentation itself or the q a or all the above but again we'll be reaching out to you all on feedback for the webinar if there's additional things you would like to see or additional things you would like to hear from tactful toolboxes or even see in the software again thank you thank you thank you for you all attending we'll be having another one of these webinars come september and we look forward to hopefully seeing all of you at that one um thank you everyone have a great rest here tuesday and have a phenomenal week take care bye thanks