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hello everybody and welcome to this month's construction contract administration practice community I want to hand it off to Jim to get started with today's topic I said Jim over to you thank you man to you and welcome everyone to part two in a 12 part series of an introduction to construction contract administration for those that may not know we are following along with the construction contract administration practice guide that is the book si si has for use in establishing and organizing and operating within the construction contract administration phase of your projects the second thing I would like just say before we start is please in that survey list any ideas that you have for further discussion whether it be general ideas of other things for us to undertake and talk about or suggestions for a deeper dive into into any one particular discussion or idea certainly is something we want to see from you so that we take this discussion in the directions that you would like to see apologize for my cohort Doug Freeman is not able to join us today but his name is listed here and he's been part of this series production now from the beginning so Matthew let's go ahead and get started and what we're going to talk about with the next slide is roles and responsibilities which it goes along with chapter two of the practice guide so let's take a look at the next slide we're going to talk about construction sites and roles and responsibilities certainly the three of us the architect or engineer the owner and the contractor need to understand well our roles and responsibilities we're going to touch on these as well as in the end of the discussion today a conversation about expectations but to begin we're going to talk about roles and responsibilities and certainly the contract documents identify those and they're very explicit about what we are to do and also importantly what we are not to do but as I said we're also going to touch on expectations so let's take a look at the next slide we certainly have defined between the owner and the contractor who are the parties to the construction contract what their roles are and the responsibilities of each and then as the architect or engineer we with our contract directly with the owner have contractual duties that describe our roles and responsibilities and we're going to touch on those and then we also have duties and limitations of an authority within those contractual agreements as well and they are further expanded typically in our contracts within the conditions of the contract either the general conditions or supplementary general conditions so let's go to the next slide the the requirement for our service to the owner as an architect or engineer or the contractor service to the owner in their agreement contain a series of coordination agreements and they are the conditions of contract that establish our responsibilities however there may be those of you who use non-standard documents the conversation for today will we'll talk about standardized documents like AIA or each ACDC use for example but it is important to understand that in providing construction contract administration the agreements between you and your client are critical to use and critical to have in your possession and follow I often say you may work in a firm where it's not appropriate for you to have certain information maybe that's hard to get out of our management it certainly is something that could be redacted where there's perhaps financial information that they don't want to get outside the firm I would recommend that you always ask for these agreements with information stricken that the owner of the firm or owners of the problem is not comfortable with sharing or distributing to to the staff there so that you are able to see what it is that your role or your responsibility is as defined in the contract what are the expectations that you need to follow that you need to serve for your client and certainly reviewing your documents is an important first step so let's take a look at the next slide and we're going to move on to the construction site here and math you go right to the next one and we're going to jump into the architect and engineers role so before we do let me pause for a second and see Matthew there any questions or statements from anyone before we jump in I know at this time we are still quiet okay great well one of our primary responsibilities as the architecture engineer is to represent the owner to keep them informed of progress on the job we certainly are authorized to act on their behalf as our contract documents may stipulate and we are as I like to define it a conduit a path of information between the owner and the contractor that would flow through the architect or engineer in order that we may assure communication is occurring as it should and that we are kept aware and in the loop with things that are going on we're also there to observe the project these are visits that again should be spelled out in your contractual agreement and they are at appropriate intervals you're not expected to do exhaustive inspections but observations of the project where you are becoming generally familiar with the progress and the quality of the work and whether in the end of the job you can determine that the work is in conformance with the contract documents your also as you're observing the project endeavoring to guard the owner against defects and deficiencies in the work so you're out confirming that it is within conformance to the contract documents and during this stage you certainly have the authority to reject work that is not in components for the documents you're looking at test reports etc to be able to establish whether or not for example independent parties think that the documents are being followed and then you are also certifying and/or recommending for example in North Carolina you certify applications for payment in other places in other contracts for example each ACDC documents would say that you recommend application for Payton so this is a one of the roles that we have on the project and in the end we are issuing certificates of substantial completion or final completion and certifying that the project is ready to be paid for so as we perform our duties on the solute we are also interpreting the contract documents trying to decide and resolve or answer questions as the contractor may have we're looking at their performance on the job and trying to provide interpretations that are consistent with the contract documents to maybe clarify what was reasonably inferred in the documents or they that they may not fully understand and then we are also making decisions regarding aesthetics as far as a final work and place decision we're also reviewing and designing claims should they occur either by the owner or by the contractor and those would initially come to us documents contain often a reference to the final decision-maker in a project and most often in my experience that is established by the architect or engineer as the architect and in this role then we issue written decisions on claims and and we're also involved should it come to that in mediation arbitration or litigation if if that is a part of a project we let me take a pause right there Matthew and see if there's anything so far as we're going through from anyone now there's two comments that have come in I want from Dean same note be clear when when to observe the when to inspect two different levels of exposure and also Bruce indicates excuse me during construction you do not represent the owner your role is to protect the terms of the contract well those are good comments and I'll touch on observations and inspections the absolutely there in fact two inspections a substantial completion inspection and a final inspection and the other trips and opportunities to the site are for observation of work in the AIA contracts I'd be interested to know the comment about representing the owner because the at least the ones I'm familiar with working with we it actually uses that language so I'd love to get a follow up comment from whoever that was and see what their reference point is as far as a document there and I'll go on and talk about modifications to the contract and then we'll stop again here at the bottom of this list so also one of our roles is in evaluating any kind of substitutions or deviations from the contract documents we all understand probably the word change orders or change order or field order these are documents that we use to modify the contract documents should those items become necessary or a part of the contract we use things called change directives where we may make minor changes to a project and of course we will talk about those as we go through this series in greater detail in other chapters and then we also have an expectation to make minor changes in the work to issues supplementary instructions as those might be necessary to continue to move the work follows in the next roll we're reviewing submittals we're taking action on construction submittals that the contractor sends us perhaps these are pre-construction items perhaps they are schedules of information schedules of values perhaps they're subcontractor lists or product lists there's a long discussion about submittals that we'll have in the future but that's one of the rules that we review and take action on those and then as we get closer to the end of the job we're looking at things like warranties certificates affidavits record documents etc and we touch on here inspect versus observe so that we are doing an inspection for substantial completion and for final completion and then to in that same regard if the owner is attempting to perhaps occupy a portion of a project or we might look at that so that they can move into a piece of the project early actually let's take a look at the next slide because these two at the bottom are a little bit better described on the next slide and this is a figure from the project resource manual which existed the CSI project resource manual before the practice guide as important it is to understand our roles and responsibilities it too is just as important to understand the limitations of those roles and responsibilities this is a diagram of two different documents an AIA document and an EJ CDC document that define some of the things that we are specifically not authorized to do and so we want to always understand the limitations of our service while we understand the roles and responsibilities of our service that we are expected to provide such that we don't in Krakow line and take on more authority or more responsibility than we are and we are given within the contract documents so let me pause there math you can see here any follow-ups or any other key question sure we had a couple more comments I'm going to read here just there like to remind students that submittals are not to be used for substitutions is one thing that pops up here additionally we have comments that came in for a suggestion that we are representing the owner by fairly administering the provisions of the contract and sometimes we forget that it is possible to be fair and truthful even when we are playing on one of the teams I love that let me interrupt if there's anything else that that's absolutely right and you know we are we are charged to be fair and impartial truthful honest straightforward by the book by the contract documents but we are to be fair and impartial and it's absolutely true that and in some of those most difficult days being a construction administrator to side with someone who or you come out on the side of a decision that is against your client or your owner and and that is not an easy position to be in but if you are factual and if you follow the contract documents you use your own documents and specifications and contracts that is an easy path to find I think it's an easy path to stay in I like to think that being a construction administrator is not any different than living your life and if you are fair and impartial and not judgmental that's those are good habits to have as a construction administrator so you're right even though it may not be the team that you find yourself on the truth is that you know this is a this is typically a three person or a three party team I say often most of my experiences design-bid-build so I use that position for most of these conversations but you're right being being a representative the owner you are to be fair and impartial any other semantics we have one question came in all that you said if you want to enter it now or if you want to address it when we get to the other aspects of the roles but the question is who reviews and approves substitutions well first of all that that word approved as a as a risky word but I embrace it I've been through enough situations to know that often we try to use a lot of language to not say approve when in fact that's what we're doing at least a lot of the legal systems that I have been exposed to would say yes you did approve it you might not use a word but you did so the substitutions in my experience come first to the architect or engineer it's sort of a lengthy answer and I start a lot of these with saying the answer is it depends it depends on the delivery method for the project it depends on the contract for construction it depends on your agreement with your client and it depends on I'm sure other things that I'm not thinking of but substitutions should come before a project is bid so that everyone has equal opportunity to consider that particular product often that's not the case often substitutions come after the bid and in my experience it's an opportunity then to have a discussion with your client about whether or not that is an acceptable looking an acceptable substitution if it is actually an equal product or not but you have to be careful because it can lead to complications with the bid itself if it's major substitution and others didn't have an opportunity to bid it so that's why I say it depends again my experience has been that with the architect and engineer in connection with the owner and whomever they may have on their staff whether they have a facility division or construction managers people that are a part of their organization that want to have input there's a review process that can lead to that that request being rejected it can lead to acceptance it can lead to acceptance with some contract adjustment so all those things have to be considered when there's a substitution request presented by the contractor typically though it comes to the architect engineer who reviews it in conjunction with their client any other specimen that is it for now okay let's let's take a look at the next slide and we're going to move right to the site and if we take a look at the next one we look at the owners roles and responsibilities so a much shorter list just taking a quick look but maybe not necessarily so so Matthew I apologize I'm not sure what the next slide is but I think the next one is the one we want to have up to there you go yes to have this part of the discussion so what is the owners role here well first of all there's a lot of information to provide so our three major headings information should provide cost to cover and rights that the owner retains throughout the construction phase of the project so we'll talk about information first of all there is a great deal of information that the owner needs to furnish to the contractor so that the contractor is sure that they are liquid that they have the financial resources to be able to undertake and pay for the project and that there is legal information about who the Younger is so that should there be any claims that liens or claims can be filed mechanic's liens etc so that there is that information about the client about the owner that is available made available to the contractor and the contractor also needs to understand and be proven that the owner actually does own the site and that the site description is a legal description of where the project is being undertaken and that that is in the owner's possession and all of this information has got to be provided to the contractor in a reasonable amount of time being prompt to particularly need information to the job so that the momentum that that job bills can continue perhaps through the bidding process into the construction phase that this information is turned over so that in a kind of going to prompt format so that work can begin straightaway and of course there are a lot of documents that the contractor will need to have to execute the work more and more often maybe these are digital instead of hard copies but drawings of the copies of the drawings and the project manuals as well as any other information that the contractor needs to execute the work are important for the owner to provide so we've got a wealth of information that needs to be transferred from the owner to the contractor at the beginning or before the beginning of construction and then there are some things that the owner has typically as costs that they incur and that they undertake to provide so approvals easements assessments any charges that may be applied to the project for the construction itself use or occupancy kind of charges these are not building permit charges or any other fees that are required to the execution of the work but are further charges as defined there under owners cost now sometimes those can be shifted in the construction contract but typically this is what we see in the design-bid-build kind of market and then there's property insurance that the owner incurs the cost up to maintain throughout the duration of the project and then there are owners rights that are important for us to know and recognize and to assist them in maintaining or managing one that's very important that I have found historically misunderstood by many is issuing a stop-work order if the contractor is failing to perform or comply with the contract documents or for some other reason the work needs to be stopped on the project those two words stop work are some of the most important that we need to understand as construction contract administrators now with the owner may look to us for recommendations and involve us in a discussion about stopping the work but that is not something that we do it is something that comes from the owner to the contractor and it's one of their rights they also have the right to carry out work if the contractor isn't performing in compliance with the contract documents whether that means bringing in their own forces to perform some part of the construction or whether that is a worrying subsequent construction contracts to other contractors to have that work performed they have the right to do so these are not things that are simply undertaken and they demand a great deal of thought and contemplation before they're ever done but the owner has that right they also have the right to clean up the site if the contractor is not doing so and these things can occur and do occur at the contractor's expense so that at some point there is an adjustment in the contract price to reimburse the owner for these costs the owner has the right to partially occupy a portion of the work if that suits their needs and makes their existing operations or newly started operations to occur in a timeframe that they need typically these things are discussed prior to construction projects may be phased up there's usually an understanding early in the project that this kind of things being contemplated that a portion of the work may be occupied but sometimes it occurs over the life of the job that things have gotten behind areas of the project are occupiable and certainly would make things easier for the owner to ramp up their operation if they took partial occupancy and they have that right if they choose to they can also terminate the contract or suspend the work for cause or convenience should they find themselves you need to do so and they can also terminate the contract for convenience which is a right that they have so those are those are a quick review of the owners role in the construction phase Matthew there any questions at this point before we move to the contractor yet we have a few popping up so I'm just going to pull them all over here on the side of my screen so I can get to them all so we have one that came in with actually no name so I'm not sure who asked it but it says contract administrator but not contract administrator in quotes matters sorry I'd read it to make sure I was understanding the statement here properly see here the screen is all going weird there's a suggesting here from Ron saying I believe it is extremely important to encourage us all to stop using the term construction administrator in because we are construction contract administrators there's a difference so I think that was the rest of that line that was being a little goofy additionally from Dean we have sometimes find owners do not want to pay for surveys or perfection of title using existing information then this can lead to a disaster so some of the key may have had a couple of workers to share with us here yeah limit so we'll hang on let me get a roadie for a second and say say two things one is that first with the survey statement that this is a horrendous movement within the state of North Carolina anyway we are seeing the change and and actually we're seeing hey documents being created for that survey service to begin to come through the architect and engineer for the owner and is something that we have tried desperately as an organization not to have happen for the very reasons that you name there and that image before we went to this owner information of the highway is one of my most horrendous stories let's relate to survey you're absolutely right that's a scary that's a scary undertaking and I want to go back to the construction administrator I could not agree more it is so difficult to get people to say CC a instead of C a and I don't know it's almost like getting people to say Carbon Copy instead of Xerox you know it you're absolutely right we are we are not construction administrators we are construction contract administrators and and CSI has always done a good job of designating it that way it's a change in the language out in the world that we need more people stomping up down to us you're sure sorry Matthew go ahead all right additional comments coming in here from Mike in this day of electronic distribution of drawings and project manuals we have shifted the cost of printing to the contractor what this provides what does provide free of charge really mean anymore okay well it's an interesting interesting thought we with in North Carolina for example the the agencies that manage construction for example we have a state construction office and they define that for you they tell you and they use a printed copy guideline here's how many copies of drawings and here's what the contractor should have and you should print them and this is what you'll being reimbursed for so it's a good question what it's free of charge me meditational comments we have or I guess questions on from Kevin here to the owners have a right to to have a standards guide that's a good question I don't know what exactly you mean by a standards guide are you are you referring to the way that we perform our service or what their standards are I know for example in the public education system depending on the size of the county here in our state many of them do have a standards guide and their contracts are completely unique to that County but are all the same for any school work that they do and they've got standards of roles and responsibilities for us for example one of them is that they like to take out the site observations will occur as necessary for the project but no less than once per week and they modify that to be that they'll occur as often as necessary so they've created their own standing I don't know if I'm answering the question there or not looks like here we have so fall back for that related to this most of the major hotel chains for example have a comprehensive standards guide that outlines not only the roles and responsibilities of many of the materials used on the project and additionally an owner standards guide must be incorporated into the contract Docs comes in from Ron I'm not sure if that adds to that conversation we're right now right at make sense yep I could see that all right and then we also have an additional question comment here from Don saying please be sure to distinguish the time period when an owner can partially occupy the building while construction is still continuing right that role there it is it would be absolutely coordinated with the authority having jurisdiction for example in the area to say yes or no this is safe just as within our expectations of an area of being complete certain ramifications of systems and the ability to have safe access and exit way and that sort of thing so that that area could be finally reviewed inspected punched and turned over and have independent systems so you're at your right and the point that it's it's it can be a very complex issue to work out okay that uh that pretty much gets us up I'll cut up at this point okay well let's let's move on to what the contractors role is and we will go right through the finally finished dive concrete floor there to the image of what are the contract what's the contractors role and responsibilities and first and easily understood they are to review and understand the contract documents so that they know exactly what they're doing and they are to perform in accordance with those documents so they have a thorough understanding of what the work is and what is to be put in place at the end of the project and they are to supervise that work as it goes into place if there is work occurring then the contractor is to be represented and aware of the work occurring and observing that work and managing that work if there are any errors or omissions that they note those during their review and forward any kind of a conflict to the architect or engineer for review and for coordination and correction or supplemental information that they may need an interpretation to clarify that and they they are responsible for all the means and methods to implement the work solely responsible for the sequences of techniques procedures and should they omit anything during that process then they are responsible for those admissions whether it's by the contract by your contractor by your employees or by subcontractors that they may oversee and they have to inspect the work and determine that that it's ready for subsequent work to move forward so as part of their responsibilities and means and methods they have to be sure that part a is done before they begin to do Part B they also are responsible for safety on the site related to all the work that's underway on the site they are completely responsible for job site safety and in addition they are responsible for paying for all costs related to the work to their subcontractors to their employees and anything that is involved with taxes royalties license fees are warranties any of the equipment materials all costs related to the project at this point are theirs to bear and that would include the building permit and any kind of inspection fees that are associated with the project they are expected to keep the project clean and in proper order which often means that the project is safe to navigate about and it it is an important part of the construction process for them to keep the job clean and in an orderly fashion they are responsible for holding harmless the architect and engineer as well as the owner from claims that may be caused by acts or errors on their behalf so that they are required to hold us harmless and the are also under the subject of some limitations within their authority on the project but we'll I'll going through some more of their responsibilities before we talk about that they're to act expeditiously throughout the project and are to maintain payment to their subcontractors to maintain liability insurance on the project to maintain performance and payment bonds if they are a portion of the contract they are subject to paying for any corrective work that is necessary that is rejected for non-compliance by the architecture engineer they're responsible for maintaining the schedule and keeping the work on schedule and moving at a pace that is required to finish the project within the time allotted and in that process of maintaining the work whether the work in it requires some middles or not they're responsible for maintaining the schedule of those and being sure that those submittals move through the hands of the architect and engineer in a timely fashion so that materials can be on the site when they need to be and can be implemented or installed as necessary and and then if there is faulty work or rejected work or perhaps damaged work they're responsible for removing replacing in or correcting that work at the direction of the architect or engineer there's I think the next slide Matthew is another one of the documents from the project resource manual that spells out these contractors responsibilities if you would like to take a look at it as also in the practice guide as an additional list and it refers to items that are within AIA documents and EJ CDC documents that's a brief list of what's an expanded version and those two documents for the contractor's responsibilities I apologize for going through those so quickly but I wanted to get a chance to talk about expectations and also to pause for a second to have any questions as a follow-up to that so to the contractors role and responsibilities so Matthew you want to put up the next slide while we take questions that will be okay too yeah there's just one comment here it's actually a two-part comment came in it's important to potential contractors understand one supplementary contract contracts condition should be carefully reviewed into a subcontractor is bound to the contract conditions whether they did not sign the construction agreement with the owner itself that's right by extension and by contract with the primary contractor they're obligated just to say that's a good point so I wanted to touch on something that is also spelled out in the practice guide and these are expectations I enjoy talking about the construction contract administration phase of a project as being just an expectation management phase and and all of us have expectations of the other so here let's take a look at what the owner expects from the architect and engineer well they expect us to communicate we're being their eyes and ears sort of the overseer of their interests they expect us to be knowledgeable and professional this is a building type we understand this is something that we know how to get done for them and that we know that all the aspects of the project they expect us to understand their budget and to remain on that budget to look after their interests should modifications become necessary and they look to us for advice to give them informed direction and accurate advice on what we do now and and where we go from here so let's take a look at the next slide what are the contractors expectations of us well they expect us to help them in expediting the work and this is something that I spend a lot of time talking about I believe that projects develop a momentum and if that is a good momentum the projects can be successful but we need to be a participant in feeding that project information when the project needs it not necessarily when we have the time in our schedule to provide that information so we need to be supportive and be an assistant to keeping the work moving as the contractor has been able to establish that work moving stroller we need to be responsive and prompt with our information and you know I'm sure nobody on this call has a status of Middle's sitting in their office somewhere that's been there 30 days or 60 days but I've heard of that happening in places that's not being responsive and it's certainly not helping to expedite things and is putting in a very bad predicament should that project turn out to have claims and very importantly they expect us to be fair and impartial we're professionals we know what the right answers are and there is an expectation that we act professionally and impartial so let's take a look at the the architect or engineers expectations of the honor at the neck at the next slide there again before we on we just had a full things that came in that I wanted to address here as we're talking about expectations of the AE so one purpose just during construction just remember eyes and ears the as talked about previously the ongoing problem with this is the CA versus CCA is key additionally Ron wants to give a reminder of the contractors AIA affidavits regarding departments and claims and payments is not accompanied by waivers of lien by the subs it's a useless sworn statement because the standard AIA dot language indicates the contractor swearing is limited to the attached waivers those contract applicants are regularly expected without any sub waivers which is useless I agree with that and we often require waivers down wind from the general contractor particularly the primary subs and absolutely when there are copious amounts or stored materials so that's a great point and then the last one we had came in here from Dean seeing a key for him is the pre-construction meeting to set the project tone and expectations right away especially as it relates to timeliness absolutely absolutely being in it and so if we Matthews you go to the next slide I'll just say if we if we do that if we set that that cone right then you know I fit I don't find it any different than perhaps dealing with children if you have them you know they're there if you set the rules and you stick by the rules and you don't vacillate and jump around and change your mind then they may not like what they hear pretty much get along and and I think things right if you set that time and you hold yourself to it and that's important if you hold yourself to the same level of service that you're asking everyone else to provide you show up on time because you want them to you give them answers when they need them because you expect them from them you set that tone at the pre-construction conference and chances are that it will be a successful job so what do we expect from our client from your well same sort of thing for the contractor information information that's required by the contract documents we want that to flow freely we want to know what the chain of command is and who were working with who can give answers who can make decisions and who can't we need people involved with the project that are decision-makers and that they can promptly process the documents that they need to whether that's pay applications or change orders change directives field orders anything that involves the owners action and knowledge we expect prompt service from them and we also have an expectation that they will be fair and impartial that you know they're not going to be prejudiced against the contractor this is as Doug likes to say we are one of the few professions in the world whose contracts are created with the anticipation of mistakes and failure and those contracts have ways to deal with that not if it occurs but when it occurs so if if we act without prejudice then certainly it's going to be a better team and a better project throughout the construction phase of the job so Matthew you go to the next slide and add anything we need to or I'll keep going so what's the contractors expectation of the owner money prompt payment a paid contractor is a happy contractor all things considered if things are moving like they should making prompt payments so the contractor can pay and perhaps receive discounts that are within material contracts that they have critically important any kind of approval or decision that needs to be made they have an expectation that that will come back to them quickly that there's financing in place that the owner has the money to pay for the job and that if there are owner generated changes that those get taken care of quickly that they're viable they're real and it's not just an exercise in pricing something contractors have had another opportunity to learn how to put proposals together they don't need more that so they have an expectation to rely on the information that they've been given about the site or anything else is accurate and that that if there is to be some partial occupancy in the job that they know about that and are at the table to help work that out if in fact as has been raised in questions here if in fact it's at all possible and that there's some reasonable end to the job that there's reasonableness involved in determining a final completion date can the owner use this project for the purpose for which it was intended and if they can then they they should be given the the final completion date and that's one of the expectations that they would have let's take a look the next one after you and you interrupt me if there are any questions what do we expect to the contractors well that they're financially sound and responsible that they've documented their procedures they've got qualified people on the job that they are in compliance with the contract documents they're cooperative fair reasonable and that they complete the project promptly and in accordance with the contract documents these are not unreasonable or surprising to anyone but our what our expectations of the contractor may be is architects and engineers and then finally what are the owners expectations of the contractor the next slide that they too are financially sound that they have built the project in accordance with the contract documents matching you want to go to a question here oh yeah we used actually a two comments that came in one dis indicating substitutions can also be investigative exercises for the architect additionally actually we had another common cumin as I was talking there's no need for the CTA as ever converse with the sub without the prime contractor present and engaged and then lastly from Dean here as recovering GC and sub I did my best to be proactive looking beyond the present project there you go his River coupling a lovely thank you well and then finally so the owners expectation the contractor that they're sound that they're following the contract documents that they are paying their subcontractors promptly that they're on schedule and going to finish the job on time and that that they are fair in pricing any kind of changes in the work you know I owe you dean talked about setting the tone at the pre-construction conference and the first change that has to be priced that is as you work together as a team this is an opportunity to establish that fair and impartial judgment for all three parties to look at this fairly as a change and to price it that way for the architect and engineer to look at it that way in the owner as well so and then also they have an expectation of accommodating any kind of partial occupancy that they would need to have happen for the benefit of their operation so those are a quick review of expectations and I'll just close that again by saying Amen tea you can go to the next slide by saying that it's critically important to understand those expectations and managing the expectations of the groups so that the project is fed with an impartial and fair hand all around the table do we have any other questions Matthew anything to follow up on know at this time everybody is quiet well I think if you look at the next slide the for the month of May we're going to talk about pre-construction as the next subject matter if we stay on task and on track with where we started and I certainly hope that everyone will join us on the fourth Tuesday of May if you have any suggestions or ideas I love you jumping in and talking and sharing stories so please do that I love being interrupted and it and I don't look at it that way at all this is a discussion so I really appreciate the participation all right well this time we do not have any additional questions so thank you again for everybody that is attended at this time you may disconnect and go back to your daily work schedule and as Jim said we look forward to seeing you next month thanks everybody