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a podcast listeners welcome back to the lengths to farming industrial hemp podcast my name is Eric Carla and we have quite a show in store for you today Shannon powers from the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture is here to talk about this year's hemp program in Pennsylvania then we hear from chase Hubbard who writes the hemp daily bulletin for the Jacobson and finally we check in with Jonathan Miller from the u.s. hemp roundtable he'll tell us about the safe banking act how it can help hemp farmers during the pandemic and what you can do to get it passed by the Senate we'll take a quick sponsor break and then just get into the show [Music] you [Music] this episode is brought to you by Kings Agri seeds your source for premium forage cover crop and now industrial hemp seeds Kings hemp lineup now includes both auto flour and photo period CBD varieties as well as fiber and grain varieties - all from industry leaders so whatever hemp you are planning to grow this year Kings Agra seeds has got you covered a call seven one seven six eight seven six two two four go visit Kings Agra seeds calm / Hill for more information [Music] shannon powers welcome back to the Lancaster farming industrial hemp podcast how are you doing I'm yeah so these are strange times here in the state and the country with the corona virus pandemic in the shutdown how is the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture handling this like how are you getting all of the important work done that needs to be done and still maintaining all of the restrictions well I can't see my colleagues but I know that they're working making progress we spend a lot of time on meetings like the one that we're having now by a zoom there was a mad scramble initially but fortunately we had they had laid good groundwork and as you know with with him everything was new so Sarah pickle Ruth Welliver you know the getting the gang of folks who are working so hard to build a hemp program they were used to building something new so they're really not thrown by radical changes how is it affecting the hemp program like how I mean I imagine before you you would get lots of people to the office to ask questions and you know how how was it affecting things I don't know that we had that many walking questions before initially there were some you changes you know and usually the folks processing hemp applications were facing some of the same challenges that we all were with tremendous demands on Internet access so your processes were slower as you were remoting into folders you know those kinds of challenges but also like initially there was a delay when the department did not receive mail hmm so you know and as you know there were elements of the application that had to be mailed in through so that created a delay there were some other issues that had to be dealt with for example the FBI background check the locations where you can you can't do a fingerprint check remotely so and the locations were closed so we had to build into the process more time for people to be able to get their background checks completed there were some other challenges like the some of the documentation that folks needed for their field access documents the agreements that had to be signed the proof that you have to provide that you do in fact have the right to plant a field some of that took longer because physical locations were closed so so that did create some delays for folks on the other end we have we've allowed for those delays in the process right so the initial deadline for a grower permit was April 1st as everyone received their permits yet you know if they've passed everything their permits are still being processed actually so we initially received about six hundred and thirty applications but many of them were incomplete and as you know to the processors this year processors need to get a permit in about ten percent of the applicants worth of processors and they don't have a deadline with as of May 14th so what's that last Friday 415 applications had been completely approved and they're being mailed out as they're approved and that is slightly higher than last year right right we issued 324 growing permits last year okay we've received a higher volume and we've proved so far quite a bit higher number and you know as you still have ways to go so why do you think there are more just a greater interest or do you think the the lower permit cost brought people in a little abode I think you know people had needed time to do their homework you find out that they would have a market for what they were growing and that's something that we certainly encouraged yeah I think maybe in past years people didn't have time to do that research and Omega an informed investment in what they were in what they wanted to do are you seeing a lot of repeat growers or is it new new people we are I don't have a number on return permits but yeah I think that for the most part my understanding is growers have been enthusiastic they have faced some challenges that we had very few who just packed it in after one season the most growers returned last year from the previous season and we've just added more what were some of the challenges from last year that you think this year you're just on top of and not a problem anymore in previous season we didn't have time to map and get really robust bus data online that would help people see where other growers were located and see and and we didn't know where processors would be since there was no requirement for processors to register we know anecdotally where they were and you knew where people were that had a relationship with the department referred the steering committee but we didn't have a really robust set of data that people could look at online to help them make their decisions as to whether they wanted to grow this year we have that you won't see 20/20 data I don't think it's alive quite yet but the 2019 data is there and you can see everyone who's growing where they're located you can see where the you can see once the processors get on there you'll be able to distinguish where there are processors so you have a lot more data to make your decisions with okay also there is a link to where the medical marijuana locations are and you know since you can't grow within a perimeter around the medical marijuana locations that it helps to have that you don't have to make a phone call go to the website to find that that information all in one place and that's a three mile perimeter right right okay yeah I've seen the interactive map on the site I'll put a link to that on our show page for this too but yeah that's very very helpful for growers yeah it is currently 29 teens map the data was being reviewed and that hasn't gone live yet for 2020 do you have a sense of when that will go live it I could be there the spring I haven't checked again this morning but but they're working on it just you know you have to review everything or you make it go live make sure that there are no errors okay but it's happening soon absolutely great do you get a sense of you know the division between fiber and grain and CBD I know last year most everybody was growing for CBD has that changed this year I don't have those numbers yet that's one of the things you know having having a Sarah and the small team of people who are processing the applications having them stopped to do that kind of calculation we just haven't been able to pause and figure that out so we don't have it you know it would be a guess we have encouraged fiber and seed because there are fewer regulatory questions on the federal side with fiber and seed and fewer challenges with you know if some of the uncertainty with the interim rule and how that's going to play out that factors in less with certainly with fiber and it does the CBD yeah I imagine your department was relieved when USDA sort of walked back a couple of their rules for this year you know with the the DEA license testing and the destruction methods we were I mean that's basically just a delay they didn't walk it back altogether but that was something we had requested in in our comments to USDA at the end of June yeah such a huge burden on your department on government in general right and one of the biggest challenges in prior years was basically communication among the federal entities and so so working out that films and they've just have done a tremendous amount of working with you know the DEA a state law enforcement federal law enforcement to have them communicate fully and fully understand what it meant to have a regulated it's my understanding that hemp is still on the state list of controlled substances is your department actively lobbying for a change that I know there Senate bill 936 that one that wants to remove hemp from the controlled substance list in the state where are you guys on that we're where the department is monitoring that bill as you know you know on the federal level the 2018 hornbill removed him from the federal Controlled Substances but not from the state list it's still technically a controlled substance in the state right yeah that could be a problem and there's disagreement as to whether you know whether it's necessary yeah you mentioned the steering committee I I have some interviews scheduled with some folks on the steering committee in a couple of weeks but can you talk briefly about the changes from last year's steering committee to this year's absolutely the steering committee has been really a priceless entity they're not a you know they weren't created by statute so they are really in my jury committee but they're made up of Industry they're driven by industry and they exist for the industry for building a hemp industry from the ground up and so it was really important to get all those perspectives in there whether it was you know the financial entities the the insurers the the growers the processors we needed all of those voices at the table and we that committee has been a work in progress and this year we have we have sort of refined the structure a little bit we've we've made a leadership team there are eight folks on the leadership team dr. Ron Gander from Jefferson University one of the researchers he's been involved from the very beginning he's heading that leadership team and they will meet at the end of the month that to determine how the committee will operate to refine their priorities and mission and to set a schedule for the full committee and those full committee meetings will be public are there still the common questions that your department gets about hemp and that maybe we could address them here and maybe cut down on some of your phone calls to the to your office that is a great question there are we have an FAQ online so I would encourage your listeners to look at the website and look at the FAQ your questions may be answered readily looking at the website you know a big question last year was always where are the processors who if I grow him who's going to be my market and that is considerably easier to answer this year you know with the processors online plus them some of the processors now have a little better sense of what their needs are what their challenges are with federal regulatory structure there were a lot of questions about that last year this year I don't have as good a sense of what those frequently asked questions are but they both largely been related to the challenges of getting you know paperwork in place of you know wilai in comparison to other states or other states growers if they process their pimp in Pennsylvania are they going to shut me out of the market because they don't have to face the same rules you know those kinds of those kinds of questions and right one of the things I would point out as far as that goes is so the USDA pushed off their enforcement until October but they just pushed it off Pennsylvania went ahead and kept the rules them the proposed USDA rules in place so as not to disadvantage our growers in terms of funding so they are eligible for if if they are following the Pennsylvania's plan and Pennsylvania's regulatory structure which they have to to grow hemp in Pennsylvania they're eligible for USDA Rural Development and in RCS reins whereas folks from other states that aren't following the interim rule the original or the you know the rule that was announced late last year those folks would be ineligible for that funding okay and there's like 20 states that have decided to stay with the 2014 farm bill rules right this year yeah right if you grow in one of those states and you want to have your in process in Pennsylvania you do have to follow Pennsylvania's rules okay all right yeah cuz it seems like that those states might be at a greater advantage you know I guess that as far as that compliance the THC levels they sort of have a little more leeway in the old rules and I'd wonder if that would put our farmers at a disadvantage what that means is some extent that they're gonna be changing rules midstream when they're harvesting so that's not necessarily an advantage right do you anticipate the USDA backing off that 15-day harvest rule we certainly requested that they be back on will they listen that's the question I don't have a crystal ball but we did make some you know really specific requests and their request based on and you know some of our top requests were really based on what folks in the industry saw as disadvantages or as unrealistic expectations yeah I don't know where that 15-day rule came from like I haven't heard anybody saying yes fifteen days that's that's the way to do it you know everybody wants it thirty days or 45 days yeah I think our request was 45 days we just really felt like 15 days was completely unrealistic there were lots of good recommendations in that letter that PDA send to USDA now reading it all lined out in the letter to the USDA really you know lays out the issues very clearly here's how this works in reality and you know to some extent we had very little time we're already in the midst of creating our program and our you know her permit application for this year when they put out the inner rule and I can't remember how many pages it was but the thing was you know massive and so to pause figure out what we were going to do and we did have you know there was a lot of communication among states trying to figure out you know how this was going to be interpreted and if it was a mad scramble which I'm sure you remember in the waning hours of 2019 and we didn't want to take so much time in interpreting it that we delayed the season and made it and quit farm was a huge disadvantage we went ahead and you know forged ahead carefully crafting a regulatory program that meant what he our perception of the federal requirements were did that you're acting in good faith and and we think that we have built a program that meets the federal requirements and will provide a sustainable robust hemp industry you know that provides opportunity for years to come in Pennsylvania so when do you think all of the permits will be out because I know there's farmers who if they haven't received their permits yet they're not able to buy seed and that sort of delays their their season oh I'm so glad you asked that question actually the we did create sort of an interim step where we're issuing a permit number and an expected permit date to applicants so that they're not delayed in getting their seeds or their clones or you know they they need to get their plant materials and some of the suppliers are requiring that information so we created a step that won't hinder folks getting their seed in the ground oh good anything else you want to tell our listeners about the program no I think I mean one thing that forged 19 has has really brought to the forefront is the advantage of having a short supply chain you know if you don't have the ship here what you grow out of stage right here buyer is close by and we really think that we've built or we are in the process of building a program that keeps the opportunity here it gives us much opportunity as possible within a short supply chambers we're working to build those opportunities there's tremendous excitement about the industry I think you were at the hem summit last ear tremendous excitement about the opportunity that hem presents if we build a careful thoughtful regulatory Prayer I think there's tremendous evidence that we're getting there Shannon powers press secretary at the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture thank you for your time this morning thanks for having me here always great to talk to you so you just heard Shannon mentioned the Pennsylvania hemp summit that took place in Lancaster Pennsylvania back in October 2019 this year's summit is scheduled for December 8th and 9th and the organizers of the summit are looking for your feedback there's a short survey at bitly slash hemp summit survey that's bi t dot ly / hemp summit survey I'll have that link on Lancaster farming com2 so if you went last year or planned to go this year or on the fence about going because of the current worldwide pandemic please take the survey they want to hear from you so that they can make this year's summit even better than last year [Music] okay my next guest is chase Hubbard he's a senior analyst at the Jacobson which you may or may not be familiar with but they do market reporting for a wide range of agricultural commodities including Hummer chase Hubbard welcome to the language of farming industrial hemp podcast could you introduce yourself for us please sure absolutely my name is chase Hubbard I'm an analyst with the Jacobson we do price reporting for agricultural commodities okay can you develop that idea of what the Jacobson is yeah I know you've been around a long time so this is a sort of a historic well-respected market reporting company can you give us a sense of that history sure absolutely yeah it is a over 150 year old company that started in the tallow markets and in Chicago and now we we report on a series of agricultural commodities niche Agricole excuse me agricultural commodities that are typically less than five billion per year and we we started reporting on him back in July but as an independent price reporting agency what we do is we report pricing for a series of these markets and we have no financial interest in those markets we don't trade in any of the commodities that we report on but our primary function is is price reporting we also do market intelligence reports which are forward-looking data driven market outlooks forecasts for the various commodities so that's pretty much it and we also do some consulting but price reporting and forecasting is our is our bread and butter and you yourself are responsible for the the hemp daily bulletin how did you get interested in hemp to the point where you you know are able to put these bulletins together yeah great question so I've been in agriculture for my entire professional life and have always been aware of him and through some mutual connections this this opportunity came up and this was something very very interesting and utilized my skill set and in research and developing programs and so I started as a consultant to explore the possibility of starting to hit bulletin and then after an analysis we decided that was needed for market transparency and we started reporting back in July so really my my background in agriculture I have a pretty broad background in agriculture both in farm management so who have I can I can adjust planners and farm machinery and etc nuts and bolts but I've also traveled and led people to to various countries and spent time in consulting in Cuba and Vietnam etcetera so only that but time working in other agricultural markets everywhere from California Central Valley to even visited up in your area once in Pennsylvania so so I guess what I'm saying is that I have a pretty broad background in agriculture and that's I think what they really wanted to bring to this bulletin is an understanding of the commodity starting in the field and these reports are incredibly detailed you provided a daily daily prices for things like biomass organic biomass crude extract distillates isolates all the way down to grain and fiber prices so where do these numbers come from yes so those are the numbers that are reported by various people that participate in the wholesale market so typically farmers extractors traders anyone that is involved in transactions large companies small companies it's an extremely diverse marketplace so you're talking to different people in the industry but all day long correct okay and then is there like a certain time of the day we're like alright this is the number for the day and this is what I'm going to publish well the the numbers don't change that much and in hemp as of yet you know it's a it's a very immature market and very diverse like I said with people operating it at a variety of levels so yeah absolutely the cutoff in the afternoon is quarter to 5:00 so anything that gets reported after that goes on its incorporated into the next day's reporting okay and the commentary that you provide before you get to the prices is fantastic and detailed it's always something new and interesting how do you decide what to write about in the commentary well that's a great question a question that I asked myself every morning it is daily commentary it most of our commodities its daily data-driven commentary since we like that kind of data you know I tend to focus on issues that affect markets and pricing and so you know those are the kind of things that our readers are interested in and I certainly use radar feedback to guide my commentary but the commentary is meant to be a conversation that a lot of people who are thinking about these things in their own business another voice to add to the conversation to help tone thoughts etc so it's not necessarily reporting its it it's really meant as again commentary to help people in their planning processes etc so who is your intended audience pretty diverse as well so it everybody that works in the hemp industry from from growers to extractors to ancillary industries so a variety of people in agriculture University folks and extension certainly AG economists the financial services sector and attorneys I think so its its readers its what yeah yeah okay and I saw it's a subscription-based service right so people have to sign up and pay a monthly or yearly fee does that give them access to all of the reporting or do you have to choose sort of one one commodity right so if you if you purchased a tier one subscription from us then you get access to two verticals so two commodities and when we started we did run some some specials where we offered access just to the ham bullets in at a reduced price and we may continue to offer offer some of that as well but in general our our Tier one includes tooth modernise okay alright so obviously you're following the hemp industry very very closely what are some of your top concerns about the industry like where may be the weak points that need to be developed to make this industry stronger well so Eric it is really super immature so there's a lot of pieces to the supply chain value chain everything that makes markets move is fairly underdeveloped and in the hemp hemp sector the policy issues are probably the the biggest concern I think for a market movement the FDA's position on CBD and all of these things that you know leave some remnant issues to iron out in terms of banking and insurance the industry is not entirely normalized yet so that needs to continue to happen and producers and extractors need to have access to basic banking services and merchant services and so that's a that's a big issue right there but I could go on and on on about the issues but it's only really because it's a you know an emerging industry and there's just a really big to-do list for for developing markets that's what fascinates me about this is sort of watching you know the industries develop right before our eyes can you think of any other industry that that came out like this and has developed like this yeah there it's true that there really is no precedent particularly coming from agriculture not in our lifetime you know the tech industry certainly was was a pre-charged business but you know it was more universal the way that in its impacts so that was that was broader but they're similar traits and you know people you're running around with their hair on fire last year and the in the hemp industry and things have started to to settle down a little bit but that you know we we tracked the biodiesel markets and we were part of that industry emerging and reporting on that industry but so there's some similarities there as well but nothing like can it also is fairly Universal in the way that it reaches such a variety of people politics and business that it is extremely diverse so what what in him space most excites you like where where do you think the the energy is is going well obviously you know cannabinoids have been the big driver today but both hemp seed and fiber are real entries to me and the Jacobson fiber in particular it has such broad applications throughout throughout industry that you know the volume of hemp that will be produced for for fiber applications all eclipses what we see for the cannabinoids and also on the hip seed side too it's another crop for producers to add to their rotations as benefits for rotations and you know if demand grows in hemp seed particularly as we develop what's called the hemp seed complex I can soybeans we have the soybean complex then involved soybean meal and and then soy hulls and soy beans you know a broad variety of things Oriol etc you know the same thing is happening with with hemp seed and what that means for livestock producers and also industry hip seed oil has a lot of a lot of applications so I think both of those things are really very exciting yeah it can happen with segment is also interesting but you know the other two really and such such enormous impacts that we're watching that is very very closely as they develop and there still needs to be some legislative change before livestock can be fed hemp right yeah I meats approval and that approval through FDA is gonna require them on a research and one of the things I recently wrote about too is the need for research and collaboration and research so you know the best way for that to happen is for someone in industry that you know has a product in mind to take that through the approval process but also advocates like the hemp seed coalition there you know there are people involved and research institutions that are starting to you know then run the appropriate trials for the Pepsi or m/c meal like the Lambs of Colorado State so a bunch of research needs to happen and the the appropriate approval process for the FDA one of the things I wrote about though this this past week was that states may be a little chart during course with with him feed approvals as well in the same way that states like Virginia and enacted legislation for CBD that isn't consistent with the FDA I think you know this is also a possibility for states if they see an opportunity for for their state agriculture and they've done enough research to feel confident about the safety and whatever species then certainly one possibility hmm okay yeah there's a lot of interesting states rights things happening around hemp I I find it pretty fascinating that some states have adopted the new interim rule while the other states are staying on the 2014 rules it's I don't know it just kind of cracks me up and I'm just waiting to see what's going to happen and it's really interesting the the different approaches by various states you know I think last year you saw States sort of in a competition to to put as much Anchorage on the board as possible and and I think some there were pretty strong advocates and and encouraging and producers and retrospect I think that you know probably some more caution but anyway it is it is interesting it creates a real patchwork of legislation around around the country and that not to states and and federal but also towns and cities we see that in California particularly with moratoriums you know really impact something in California do you talk to any of the the tribes in the in the US that are growing up I've seen a lot of different tribes getting their USDA approval we haven't worked with the tribes you know we don't really work with the State Department of Agriculture's that much either only insofar as utilizing data that they present and occasionally other contact that's increasing and we do have connections we have readers there commissioners of Agriculture and Agriculture Department so I expect that as that activity picks up and tried start to produce more you know will certainly be paying attention to that we pretty much once we go to where the volume is through introduction and that's where we really focus our time okay do you think there will be less CBD acreage this year yeah so we've recently done a producer survey and combined with our balance sheets balance sheets and commodities spline demand balance sheets so we factored in a wide range of data in that to come up with our numbers and we see similar acreage to last year certainly states like Oregon key producing states are you know have much less acreage all currently but a lot of the producers that are left or ones that are much more likely to get that material out of the field q this year some of the bottlenecks have been ironed down people are doing it again sometimes you know doing it for third fourth fifth time so there's a series of of dynamics in there at play that'll affect the the table yield and the total you know inventory if say biomass at the end of the season but we're looking at at similar acreage and yeah same with fiber and hemp there's really not much more fiber being grown this year but certainly people are experimenting on smaller parcels and as a form of myself that's certainly what I would do is to is to plant a small clot and and use my equipment line to harvest it and find the weak points so that I will you know so that I could be ready if the markets present themselves but it's a similar picture this year certainly 10 to 15% of that is going to be in CVG really not enough volume in the other minor cannabinoids for us to report on and also not at CVG currently but that's sort of the general picture that we see for 2020 okay so you're in North Carolina I am Asheville North Carolina okay and you're not a heme farmer I'm not okay what would it take for you to to start growing hemp I guess I would have to stop reporting on hip markets for starters and I have a lot of friends that are and producers and of course made many more than this in this function it you know that's a great question Eric I think that you know it's definitely a possibility in the future but not anytime soon all right is there anything else our listeners should know either about the Jacobson or the hemp daily bulletin that you publish well we do a we do a trial and if your producer and or you work at hip markets and you trade and have derivatives extracts etc please get in touch with me we'd love to get your input and happy in exchange to provide some bulletins access you know I think that the the main thing to keep in is that the the industry is still very opaque traders are really using is an opportunity for arbitrage to buy material in one area of selling another for people that just aren't is aware of markets or have a command on the bigger picture whether it be domestic of global because export markets are one of the opportunities so I just encourage people to make sure they good objective information for business plans or any kind of planning market planning and the Jacobsen can certainly fill that role with if people need that all right and they can find that the Jacobsen calm and I'll put a link to that on the show page for this episode great thanks Eric yeah all right chase Hubbard thank you very much my pleasure thanks for having me so I can't recommend the hemp daily bulletin from the Jacobson enough excellent hemp commentary along with detailed price reporting delivered to your email inbox five days a week so I'm sure we will be checking back in with Chase periodically okay moving on next we're going to hear about the safe banking act that stands for secure and fair enforcement Jonathan Miller joins us rom the US hemp roundtable Jonathan Miller welcome to the Lancaster farming industrial hemp podcast could you introduce yourself for us please sure I'm Jonathan Miller I'm the general counsel for the US and Browne table I'm also a member in charge of frost Brown Todd in Lexington Kentucky and can you give us just a brief overview of what the US round table is the u.s. hammer-on table is the industry's leading business advocacy organization we have 90 members or over 90 members that range from every element of the hemp food chain from a seed in the ground to sale the final product our mission is to promote that the the sale and growth of safe and legal hemp and hemp and we've been working for the past several years to promote legalization in Washington DC and in dozens of states across country and so today we're talking about the safe banking act can you tell us what that is it's an acronym sa Fe can you explain what that is and then how it relates to sort of what's happening in the world today with the coronavirus sure so the safe banking act was introduced a few years it was initially focused on marijuana banking as your listeners likely know in dozens of states marijuana is legal but on the federal level it is illegal and since so many banks and other merchant services institutions are regulated federally they were either uncomfortable or legally prohibited from engaging in banking in financial transaction Congress's with with the hemp industry is it is different in that hemp is is legal federally and so the same issues should not be a plight however there are hundreds of instances maybe thousands of hemp companies and CBD companies struggling with banking and credit card and other merchant service relationship though the Banking Act was amended to provide an even safer harbor for hemp companies to engage in banking and merchant services and so the the language of the safe banking act has been included in a new House bill the cares to bill right so the house just passed last week what they're calling the heroes Act which is a new kovat nineteen relief bill it is a multi trillion dollar bill with dozens if not hundreds of provisions but one of the provisions that were most excited about is the inclusion of the safe Banking Act which is included in all as part of this heroes Act oh and so how will this directly benefit hemp farmers and other folks in the hemp industry well if it passes it would provide an enormous relief to those hemp and CBD companies that are struggling right now to find banking relationships and and credit cards and other merchant services so right now there are many banks credit card companies across the country who are very nervous about engaging in commerce with hemp companies in particular with CBD companies this would eliminate their risk of getting any financial auditing or other penalties and they would unleash incredible commerce and so unlike much of the heroes Act which has a hefty price tag this provision would not cost taxpayers a dime and yet it would unleash tremendous financial advantage for the industry and for the economy in general right is there anything that hemp farmers or folks in the industry can do to to help this along is there a call to action absolutely so it's passed the house but it's over in the Senate right now the Senate has has expressed its objection to the heroes Act in general a few senators have criticized the inclusion of the safe banking act particularly the Marijuana provisions of it arguing that this should be kovat relief it should not be relief for the marijuana industry however the fact that the House has made this such a priority to include it as part of its heroes Act passage demonstrates that the provisions have legs and whether they pass this time or in some future bill it is very clear that the House supportive and what we need to do is we need to get the senton supporters and so what we've done at our us have round table website which is hemp supporter com we set up a online portal that makes it easy for your listeners to email their Senators and urge them to support the safe Banking Act so if you go to hem support comm and you click on our resources button you'll see that there is a a portal where all you got to do is input your email address and your ear zip code and automatically pops up to emails to your two senators who they are yeah and we encourage you however to personalize the email because particularly if you've had trouble with banking or credit card let let your Senators understand and let them know how if their constituents are being affected by this this problem alright sorry I'll put a link to your website on the show page for this episode can you give any other advice for struggling hemp businesses and farmers during this pandemic you know this is a challenging time but we we're very hopeful that this the economy will will start rebounding and it's it's real important to get Congress to understand the challenges of the industry our other big issue probably even bigger than the safe Banking Act is the fact that the FDA is has not yet developed a regulatory regime for CBD that is led to its shell in commerce and that's hurt farmers across the country who are growing hemp for CBD and so the other the other thing you can do on our website is to urge the Congress to pass legislation to force the FDA to finally regulate CBD because that would have a again a dramatic economic impact without costing taxpayers a dime Jonathan Miller I appreciate your time today thank you for sharing your information all right thanks for getting the word okay so there's a lot to check out on the show page for this episode at Lancaster farming comm please go there and click on the links but that pretty much does it for today's show this is episode 86 can you believe we've been doin this for 86 episodes I am very grateful that I get to do this work and that I get to talk to knowledgeable people in the hemp space which reminds me if you want to get in touch with me you can always email me podcast at Lancaster farming com or heck if they just want to pick up the phone you can call my office number at seven one seven seven twenty one four four six two my name is Eric colic I am the digital editor at Lancaster farming newspaper the greatest agricultural newspaper in the world check us out online at Lancaster farming comm you can become a 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