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good morning we'd like to welcome you to our second webinar in our INL industry engagement series we're glad you joined us today we have with us dr. Ashley Benin and she's the director of the nuclear reactor innovation center here at the Idaho National Laboratory and in just a second I'll give you a little bit of information about Ashley and then we'll let her get started if you have any questions during the webinar as we go along please add them in the question pane and then we can capture those and we'll try and address those at the end of the session so with that I am honored to get to at introduce dr. Fenton this morning to the group um she is the director of the national reactor Innovation Center and in this role she is responsible for overseeing initiatives to provide resources to reactor innovators to test demonstrate and conduct performance assessments to accelerate the deployment and advanced nuclear technology concepts dr finland most recently served as executive director for the nuclear innovation alliance where she was responsible for managing organizations strategy operations policy and technical development stakeholder outreach and fundraising dr. Finan earned her PhD in nuclear science and engineering at MIT and her doctoral work focused on energy innovation investment and policy optimization both in nuclear and renewable energy technologies this just scratches the surface of what makes up dr. Finn ins background and her bio will be posted on the web page I mean you can access that later but again I'm honored to welcome dr. Fenton to our webinar and with that the floor is yours or the screen is yours thanks so much they appreciate the opportunity and thanks to the folks for tuning in and to learn more about em rekt the National reactor Innovation Centre so I appreciate the very kind introduction and I think my plan today is to go through a little bit of information about what enric is and and what the program is undertaking and highlight some opportunities for industry engagement so let me first I just wanted to direct folks in preparing for this I went to the INL industry engagement webinar series website which I put on this slide and I really found that the first session in June 10 had some very valuable resources that folks might want to take a look at including some slides well a video of the entire session as well as slides on doing business with INL the small business program technical assistance and then economic development grants and a few other topics I just I wanted to highlight those and make sure books to understand those resources are available on the website and future sessions are also highlighted there and the videos are posted there so I think that's something that that everyone should take a look at especially if you have questions about these topics you know how to do business with IML so with that I'll talk a little bit more about enric Stacey vive an introduction to part of the purpose of the national reactor Innovation Center in in a sentence but I'll go into a little more detail and reg was established at IML last year by do-e in response to some legislation the nuclear energy innovation capabilities act and Enric is a national program really aimed at leveraging all of the National Labs and other federal resources in service of accelerating the demonstration of advanced reactors and so we're we're pursuing this acceleration excuse me one of our goals is to demonstrate advanced reactors by the end of 2025 and we're working to do that through our mission to inspire stakeholders and the public with these this progress and with the technologies that were advancing and to empower innovators to test and demonstrate their reactors and their designs and then to deliver successful outcomes mission coordination of partners and resources we're really working to get companies access to the various facilities and expertise and sites within the lab complex and we want to be working closely with the private sector to make these demonstration reactors a reality this is a next line I know there's a couple second delay in my slide so I start talking before it comes up just just be patient um but this next slide goes through some of the elements of the enric strategy digging a little further into what inspire empower and deliver meaning um and so I'm not going to read through everything on here but you'll have it as a reference on that website that I shared but we're looking to inspire by making sure that we're providing an out reaching and a showcasing function for innovators providing convenient space making sure we have aesthetic design we're also pursuing some visualization and augmented reality tools because we want to reach people with the promise of this new technology we recognize that we can't bring all of our stakeholders to the science where the the advancements are taking place we want to bring those things to them with media and and other new techniques we're also working on testing some groundbreaking and cost cutting techniques because a lot of the discouragement around nuclear energy has been in the area of cost and whether we can do this work on schedule and on budget and we see some opportunities that I'll discuss a little bit more in a subsequent slide to address that concern empower is really the central pillar of enric we are here to provide access to government resources facilities sites materials expertise and other infrastructure and so we spend most of our time and energy working with innovators and working with the labs to try to make sure that they they can the innovators can leverage that those resources and some of those resources we're making improvements to work we're upgrading or modernizing them and we'll discuss soon I think there are also some interesting opportunities to engage with the private sector on on those topics we're supporting some permitting and regulatory needs where there's a direct nexus to demonstration projects and then we're facilitating contracting local engagement we want to be helping companies connect with the local supply chain well that's all of it and then collaborating with and supporting some of the existing projects like BTR the versatile test reactor like the carbon free power project and and some other activities that are going on and then in terms of delivering success and we're really focused on outcomes we want to make sure that sites are prepared for innovators that we have contractual pathways for demonstrating reactors and we have ways to work with the various labs and to make those pathways smoother and we're providing navigation support from start to finish and we're developing a core team for rapid demonstration excellence if we can get good at this I think that it will be very valuable not only to IML and the nuclear labs but also to other energy sources and to the nation as a whole because demonstrating big energy technology is challenging it's not it's not like building an app I mean while building an app is important and it it's good we need to learn how to demonstrate and prototype big energy technology for our future needs and I think that if we can do that here that we'll have much broader application and then we're really working to understand private sector needs and make sure that you need those um so in terms of ways that enric is enabling innovators we're in three general buckets and when I talk about innovators here and primarily referring to developers of the advanced reactors so I see generic support that enric is undertaking I'm so getting infrastructure prepared improving processes and contracting and regulatory issues so that any developer and more efficiently execute a demonstration project that's one area of our work another area is in some limited project plans at work where we can work with any demonstration company and to help plan what their scope looks like what resources they need and connect them with the subject matter experts who can help them plan a project and then finally specific scope and execution support when a company is really ready to move forward with a demonstration project enric can help them help them execute on that so we also have a generic MOU that's been developed for working with enric on nuclear technology demonstrations that's largely aimed again at companies that are working to execute on demonstrations we have so had some interest in that MOU from supply chain companies and and that's also a possibility so feel free to reach out to me on that trying to advance to the next slide here we go so in the area of siting I'm doing I have a few slides here on a general overview of projects that enric is working on in order to give you the sense of the depth of the projects and then I'll go engines birth or death on a few projects that I think are most most ripe for industry engagement in the area of siting and infrastructure we have a national siting evaluation that we're working on to identify potential sites for demonstration reactors throughout the United States and we have an INL siting evaluation that we're also working on looking specifically at sites in Idaho out on the desert that could be appropriate for demonstration reactors and we're also working to do some environmental impact assessments for those sites we're looking at people material and fabrication space to be able to support the fuel needs for these advanced reactors and then we're developing some demonstration reactive test beds mostly at this point looking at the EBR to dome and the zipper cell and I will describe those in some more detail because that's a an opportunity for industry engagement and we're working on a virtual test ban that's really a modeling and simulation approach to advanced reactor demonstrations taking a lot of the great codes that have been developed within the lab system to look at pieces of systems and parts of the performance and the safety requirements the systems and actually integrating those so that they can be used holistically as a system to look at an entire demonstration reactor instead of a portion of attend this demonstration reactor so that we're calling the virtual test bed and then we're looking at spent fuel transportation and disposition issues and I think there are also some potential opportunities there for industry engagement and that's predominantly focused on how we handle the spent fuel from demonstration reactors the next slide so make sure you skip one here okay so some supporting technologies and capabilities that I'll go into some of these digital engineering is something that I'll have another slide on but we are we're aspiring to incorporate digital engineering approaches into everything that we're doing because we've really seen that this is an approach that can make a big difference in terms of schedule and cost outcomes it's been used extensively in other industries it's been used in nuclear in some situations and particularly in the East but less so in nuclear in the West and we think we've suffered for that and experts also think we've suffered for that so we're working to develop some of these digital engineering tools to demonstrate them on NPAC projects and then to make them available to the industry as a whole so I'll bookmark that for a later comment regarding working with industry partners and then the advanced construction technologies initiative is an initiative where we're we're looking to to demonstrate some advanced construction technologies that anything could be transformative in terms of improving nuclear cost unschedule outcomes we're working to some degree on energy system so at this point we weren't centrally coordinating with the INL integrated energy systems program in order to make sure that we build into our upgrades the capacity to demonstrate integrated energy systems in the future alongside demonstration nuclear reactors we're coordinating with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in a variety of ways we are working to develop some experimental infrastructure that's been identified as a key gap by industry we're doing some safety and environmental analysis and that's a really exciting opportunity for Enric to lay the groundwork for some of the key things that need to be done before a demonstration can be built but can actually be done before industry has a project and funding and a plan ready to go so we can we can get working on this long lead time item from a generic approach and help lay the groundwork so that when the demonstrations are ready to move forward we can really move more at the speed of business we're assisting with project planning and coordination and we're getting some strategies in place for outreach and communications so I'm going to go into a few of the specific activities starting with the advanced construction initiative so here we've seen a lot of work over the past several years on identifying nuclear cost drivers why are we why are we having such trouble with construction and we really see that the literature suggests that the dominant cost categories are in civil construction and site preparations and installation and indirect costs and that some of the key cost drivers include so these are opportunities to improve costs the standardization the speed of construction and installation design stability quality control and couple of other things and so what we did this spring was there couple references here we put out a request for expressions of interest and we received about twenty really really promising responses to that and what we asked for were suggestions of projects that that we could undertake in partnership with the private sector to demonstrate advanced construction technologies that would really address some of those key issues on the higher slide and be transformative in nuclear energy economics and and schedule success so we received a lot of really promising replies and we're working towards the next steps there but I do anticipate having some activities here in the future working toward some demonstration projects that are not nuclear but are instead focused on advanced construction technology and then I want to spend a little bit of time on the demonstration reactor testbed program so this is a concept for a demonstration reactor testbed where Enric sees the opportunity for us to provide a test bed and the test bed systems are shown here in the blue outer boxes and through which a variety of innovators could come demonstrate their reactors so we have a couple of existing buildings in particular that are promising for this that you know used to have reactors in them but don't anymore and if we can provide some of these key systems that any innovator would need it allows them to come in demonstrate for six months or a year and then go out and then somebody else can come in demonstrate for six months or a year and then go out and so we can have this regular cadence of innovation and demonstration without repeating all of the investment that goes into the the testbed systems or these surrounding systems that are permanent and it makes it makes it much more efficient to innovate in nuclear um so this is a concept drawing a few of these things have changed a little bit but the the general the general approach here holds we're you know we're looking at things like equipment doors and creams containment penetrations primary cooling as things that we can provide to the innovators and then the innovators would come in with their reactor system their fuel handling and some heat rejection systems their control systems so that's that's a general overview and this is an area where I anticipate significant interactions with outside industry so it's one of the reasons for highlighting that one of the the two facilities we're looking at right now for this is the zipper cell and these are a couple of photos of it so the one on the bottom right is the exterior photo and zipper should be in a yellow box and then the upper photo is an interior photo this is a facility that has hosted small reactors in the future in the past and we're looking to to make it possible to host small systems here in the future so potentially up to 500 kilowatts its co-located with a lot of other capabilities including fuel production and materials hot cells characterizati n and in a machine shop um you know it has a modest but that you know sizeable floor loading capability electrical service we're envisioning backup power we're envisioning a roof entry point to bring in the equipment and the reactor packages and it would have a cola PETA control room so this is these are a few details about how we envisioned this facility looking in the future and another facility that we're we're developing as a testbed is the EPR 2 dome that's an 80-foot diameter dome it hosted the EB r2 reactor in the past and this would host larger demonstration reactors up to 10 megawatts thermal and it can it's a it's co-located with zipper it's it's in the same facility at the materials and fuels complex has good floor loading utilities we really see it as an ideal space to host demonstration reactors it's clearly it's done that before so right now we are developing the conceptual design of these we have a concept of operations this is for the EDR to testbed and we expect reactors to be installed there via a loading zone potentially using connects boxes to bring in the reactors we would remove them through the same path and the testbed consists of the structures and the equipment that enable the operation of the reactor many of those were will shown in that first concept slide with the line line and and the idea here is to reduce the time and the money required to operate the demonstration reactors and to decommission them so it's I think that won't go into all of the details here but I think they might be useful for you to refer to if you're considering how you might you might contribute to this project there are a couple of coming over the next slide and then I'll summarize the opportunities as I see them here so we've gathered requirements from potential users to these two facilities and developed our requirements for the facilities we're doing the pre conceptual design in FY 2010 the technical solutions and then plan for for the final design work and then the construction work so we expect an FY 21 to be moving to the next phases of design and then to be looking to have construction occurring in 22 and having these facilities operational sometime in 2023 and so it's an aggressive schedule and you go to the next slide here some engagement opportunities on these test beds include the final design and construction process for the test beds and I don't anticipate us and completing all of that work internally we also think that there are some opportunities for consultation on these projects some opportunity to assist with developing the operation strategy and making it as efficient as possible so that we and we have the processes and procedures and requirements in place to ensure that we can in fact move forward with demonstrations in series without delay and then the decommissioning strategy and the design around the decommissioning and defueling of these reactors is another area where we are going to be looking to two outside expertise to help us come up with the best the best strategy so I'm gonna speak a little bit now about digital engineering and the work we are doing there so Chris Ritter is our lead on digital engineering at and Rick and these are his slides so what is digital engineering it's it's um you know largely moving from stone tablets uh blueprints to more detailed information management and then finally digital engineering where bit of a stronger definition and you know instead of being in the area of siloed programs and and disparate documents you want to move to upwards in the levels on this chart where you have content management and you move up to having strong data links connections across the life cycle of the project automated analytics and ultimately the use of AI and we see this progression as being really important for nuclear as it is for all technologies we've seen significant scheduled reductions and construction projects thanks to digital engineering and significant productivity increases improvements in quality and significant savings so we've seen this used in aerospace and automotive use in construction and we see its use in nuclear around the world but we really as I stated earlier we really need to improve and expand its use in nuclear in the United States and what what aiming to do that within enric the rims so this is an example of some of what the solution looks like we actually have a lot of great tools for Building Information Management for systems engineering project controls nuclear analysis systems analysis there are tools that exist for each of these but they're not well integrated and and so instead of using these as an integrated set of project tools we actually have a lot of projects where individuals have to take data from one of these systems and move it manually into another system it's trouble keeping them updated and keeping consistent so so one of Chris Ritter's tasks is really integrating a solution here where these different programs talk to one another and we can retain the benefits of the digital engineering throughout the project so currently we're taking a model-based systems engineering approach to tracing our requirements and in particular we're applying that to the zipper testbed project and we'll be applying that as well to the EPR to testbed projects this work is being integrated into the versatile test reactor and Chris is is really doing a lot of work to make sure that digital engineering is incorporated into all the work that we're doing at the lab so there are two sides to this one is we are enthusiastic about having partners who want to work on digital engineering and certainly want to hear about that if you have applied this and think you have something of value to share with us but I'd also say that if you're looking to work with us on any of the other projects please expect to have to implement digital engineering and we do want to be using these tools in the construction projects that were pursuing so if you have any questions about that don't hesitate to reach out to me or I can connect you to Chris there just a heads up that it's an opportunity it's also really a requirement I have a few slides here on the sighting preparations that we're doing and we have some work with private partners on this as well so I thought I would mention those and so a study was done by the Ino micro reactor program identifying potential demonstration sites at the Idaho National Laboratory that's available on the eggman website as well as elsewhere and it really identifies first a list of candidate site locations or areas within IML boundaries and and it includes existing buildings previously developed sites as well as undeveloped sites it applies screening criteria to those sites and then identifies preferred sites which we're now looking at for preparations so this I'll just show you a couple of maps these are the candidate sites that are in the report all of the yellow circles represent sites that were considered in the evaluation of sites in the next slide the preferred sites here are the green ones which passed the mandatory screening criteria and then also scored well on the the great at screening criteria and these are a few examples that that are big enough to see around the materials and fuels complex i'mso location number two here is the EBR two dome which i've highlighted earlier as part of our demonstration testbed program location number three is the zipper Sal this white item here that I also highlighted and then locations nine ten and eleven are three previously undeveloped sites that would be good for for demonstration reactors that are not looking to be an existing building so those are some examples to give you a sense of the sites that have been identified the next steps for that work is to there are a number next steps here one of them is looking at early site permitting with the NRC and authorization roadmap so how would we move forward to make sure these sites are fully prepared for innovators to minimize the time required for them to sight on them and do the do the regulatory groundwork to be ready a meteorological tower study is moving forward so that we can understand whether we need new towers to collect necessary data to support the environmental impact analysis or the safety analysis for potential reactors we're looking at an electrical grid study because some of the demonstration companies would like to be able to export power from their demonstration reactors so we're looking at whether that would be possible and if so what that would look like we're developing some mapping and informational tools so that innovators can see the sites that are available and understand the characteristics of them we're surveying for cultural and biological resources so that we can identify where there might be a conflict on the site or there might be something we need to mitigate and so we can identify any any environmental impacts of the potential activities on those sites and and take appropriate action if that's needed and then as I described earlier we're developing the demonstration test beds and those to existing facilities so we are working with with companies outside of INL on a few of these items so I just highlight them here as the types of things that we work with companies on and I think that you know I want to just be clear that I'm I'm open to suggestions if you have a company that you think you contribute to the success of these projects I want to hear about that and see whether there's a way for us to work together I'm just briefly on the virtual testbed that I mentioned this is a modeling and simulation capability to support advanced reactors I wanted to provide this as a reference in case there are folks who are interested in being involved in the modeling and simulation efforts but I won't go into too detail on this so I described that it's really about utilizing the tools that are available and then developing simulations that incorporate the variety of tools to support full demonstration reactor systems and we're also looking to provide some examples to innovator so that they can see how they will use the various tools for their given system um a couple of other supporting initiatives that were we're working on our regulatory coordination so we're working with Yui on a standard review plan or D reauthorization for micro reactors and we're also working on the safety analysis and the regulatory approach for those demonstration test facilities with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission we're coordinating with them to understand their process on their micro reactor generic GIS and we're coordinating on will what on our side is a plant Brander envelope approach to environmental impact assessment so we're we're looking at a set of potential demonstration reactors and we're developing a plant parameters envelope that encompasses those potential reactors and then we're we're assessing the environmental impact of that plant parameter envelope so that were prepared for a variety of different reactors that that could be looking at demonstrate at the I know we're working as I mentioned earlier on early site commit read nothing to understand how we might be able to pursue an early site permit and we're working with NRC as well on the advanced construction techniques just looping them in at this point so that we can and you can devise the best way for them to learn from those demonstrations and to be integrated so that as we as we demonstrate advanced construction techniques for nuclear applications we're also making sure that the regulator is reviewing them so that they will really be ready for use when we're done and then one of our congressional mandates is to facilitate NRC learning from the demonstration reactor so we'll we'll continue to talk with them so that we can pursue that as we move towards demonstration projects and this is the the knight National Environmental Policy Act or NEPA is an area where we have some supportive activities to make demonstration reactors successful and I'd refer to that a few I think the one new thing here is the learning from versatile pest reactor and the dod Pele reactor those are two NEPA processes that are underway so we're looking to observe what they've done to learn from that and to move forward with NIMH efforts or other activities in terms of fuel supply we want to be sure that we can identify potential fuel supply for advanced demonstration reactors so at this point we're at the stage of compiling information about the needs for fuel and the potential sources for our Enric planning purposes and then we're also evaluating the needs and the possible sites for fuel fabrication facilities but just for not for commercial fuel fab but just for these initial demonstrations there's been a gap identified but by industry and by the labs that there is not a lot of space available to do that work and then I mentioned the fuel disposition evaluations we have done some initial evaluations of micro reactor disposition and looked at preparing fuel for transport for a couple of different types of fuel work sanding that to include some other types of fuel so that we're covering the entirety of the potential reactors and so now we've looked at liquid fueled molten salt possibilities and we will be looking at another technology before the end of the fiscal year and then we're documenting regulations and regulatory authority for micro reactor transportation because one of the new things about about micro reactors is that companies envision transporting them and that's not something that that was ever been envisioned for large reactors but you could envision transporting something in between it's transporting in my career after between it's shutdown and its final storage location or prior to being installed or even between operate in one location and operating in another and those are things that are fundamentally relatively new for civil nuclear our next steps in fuel disposition evaluation are looking at those transportation options going beyond the regulations and looking at the logistics treatment and storage of spent micro reactors and then looking at environmental regulations regulators and approaches for some of these issues and those are all of my slides so I think I hope that that overview is helpful in terms of giving you a sense of the types of things that Enric is working on and I've identified a few specific areas for industry engagement opportunities but I'm very open to questions or to outreach in the future and you know about about ideas that you might have because I value those very much and I appreciate your your time and your attention if there are any questions now I would be happy to take them Ashley we do have one question it says what about Reed utilization of spent fuel wastes encapsulated in glass for solar backup such as MIT liquid silicon Sol solar um so that's a that's a great question I think well I I can't see their questions in some reason do you mind repeating it one Stacy I I can um what about reutilization of spent fuel wastes encapsulated in glass for solar backups such as MIT liquid silicon solar okay um so I I have heard of the project they don't know how but I haven't had any particular outreach from them but I I'm certainly interested in the potential for that and in general we have been asked about whether Enric would support innovative approaches to the back end of the fuel cycle and my answer to that is yes I think that that's part of our demonstration responsibility and we do want to demonstrate those types of technologies so I'm enthusiastic you haven't spoken with them at this point okay um do you think in will interact offer specific incentives or targeted outreach to small business other specific things that you're looking for small business participation um well I I think I'll start by speaking to where we have small business participation now primarily at this point it's some consultation on some of these projects to help us to help us be successful and to help guide us on you know there are consulting firms that have learned from their participation in projects around the world and they can help us to and to look around corners and and see what we might have to do to be successful and there are also so e companies that are interested in providing some advice to us as we oversee some of the construction projects which would likely be done by larger firms but I think so I mean I think that there are opportunities we are working with small businesses we're working with small businesses on some of our communications efforts as well but in terms of targeted incentives and outreach I think I would direct ropes to the IML small business presentation and really to look at the on the website for this webinar and see last last month's presentations Stacy do you have anything to add in response to that question I agree with what you said I mean if people are interested they can reach out to me my contact information is on the webpage I forgot to introduce myself when I started this thing I am the small business program manager for the Idaho National Laboratory and so I'm gonna be the first step for people wanting to get engaged with INL so reach out to me and I can I can reach out to Ashley's team and help facilitate that discussion we've got another question Ashley on the misapplication of NQ a one and commercial-grade dedication are challenges for nuclear construction of any right right how do you plan to address this issue did you save a misapplication oh that's what's typed in here I think that's what that's what Fred put in here okay I think that's probably the the excessive application of nqi one and when when perhaps it isn't needed and I think in one of the ways that we're addressing that is through the advanced construction technologies an initiative and some of the that responses included some efforts to to be more disciplined about when nqa one is needed and when it is not we're also trying to be disciplined in our approach to the test beds and our approach to our safety safety analysis work so that we aren't aren't imposing those sorts of miss applications on our work I think that probably a significant amount of that misapplication occurs with the nuclear demonstrators or you know would incur with them so they'll need to be disciplined about it as well but I think it's a key point it has come up before and it's on my radar and we are working to just try not to make some of those mistakes in our work but I welcome suggestions if fred has suggestions warnings you reach out okay great another question from Paul mmm you considered it considered in product demonstration for example example hydrogen production yes we so as we're developing these test beds and as we interface with the INL integrated energy systems programs we are working to incorporate design features of the test beds that would enable us to do things like take heat off of the demonstration and apply it to hydrogen and right now that means containment penetrations and it means concrete pads to facilitate those off taker facilities where we're considering how salt storage might work into these demonstrations it's a little early from our perspective for us to get into the details of it or we're trying to make sure we're keeping our options open we're also looking at some some business keys issues like micro reactors for electric vehicle charging stations we're just at the early stages of exploring whether we can have a role in studying what that would look like and potentially demonstrating it in partnership with the magnet facility at INL which has nothing to do with magnets really that's an acronym so I apologize for that but it's a non-nuclear micro reactor demonstration as well as looking at how we might be able to facilitate those sorts of applications for another nuclear micro reactor demonstration that's underway at IMM ok so here's another follow-up question and would that also relate a recycling of silicone or electronic wares is that I'm not sure what that is perhaps that's read opeing the silicon for reuse I'm not I'm not sure what the question is on recycling of electronic where's um Dave Dave Geiger can you unmute yourself and and maybe explain that question a little better to Ashley I think that's possible I may be testing technology here I can unmute you I know doesn't it says yourself muted Oh Dave Geiger now you're unmuted oh you were okay I guess that's not gonna work so maybe we can follow up on that question to make sure we get we get that answer let me see if I have a couple other questions here um I think oh there's Dave go Dave hi yes the question I had was is that basically with 20 to 25-year issue that we have on silicon waste the extra energy that can be transformed or transmuted by utilization of your spent fuel materials encapsulated in glass and also using a liquid silicon base basically cooling system alongside the salt possible salt system would allow you to liquefy the waste and actually reutilize that the monetary source for extra energies I was just wondering if that was something that you guys had actually looked into because we are currently in the process of building a reactor here for silicon recycling in the state of Indiana great no I haven't looked into it Dave and I would welcome any further information about it if you if you have time to share it please send me I know what it sounds intriguing all right thank you okay I have another question Ashley um Dora expect any a DSS reactor within 20 years to tackle to tackle radioactive waste um so that that's I think in an accelerator driven system um and I don't know I don't have a prediction on that one I I can say that we don't have a we're not talking with any accelerator driven system partners at this point does based on our selecting out of those it's just that we haven't had outreach from those companies at this point okay um this question is relative to Idaho based companies you know I&L has a unique clause in our contract to do 30% of our business within the state of Idaho and so that are their specific is are you looking at a specific relationship between enric and Idaho based companies that's a great question and I think that there will naturally be important relationships between enric and Idaho based companies because a lot of our work will be here in Idaho and a lot of it is on site so we've had a lot of meetings with several of the Idaho based firms in the nuclear energy and nuclear engineering and construction space we have we anticipated several site visits those have been delayed at this point we were hoping to do those this spring but I do look forward to them when we're able to do them and we are in close contact with them so I see a lot of opportunities for Idaho based businesses I don't have a specific room at this point but I'll take that under consideration they certainly want to be doing outreach and I'll I'll reach out to Stacey to help me with that sounds good that's all the questions that I see in our listing so with that I think we'll go ahead and wrap up I sure appreciate your participating with us today I appreciate everybody who's joined us on the webinar and we will be having our next webinar I believe it's August 10th Michele if I'm wrong you're gonna have to let me know um but Vargas 12 the 12th okay I shot my calendar down so that I didn't get interruptions during the webinar so now I can't see it and we will be having a representative from the Small Business Administration talked to us about the SBA's lending programs and then we'll also be having a represent from the Bank of Idaho their vice senior vice-president of lending will be talking to us about Bank of Idaho's focus on small business lending so our hope with this series is that we we expand it beyond just why it what INL needs and what i in else goals are but to bring an educational aspect for small businesses and in the way of lending well we have in the Small Business Innovation Center speaking with us in a couple months about the services that they offer for small businesses in the form of business plan development marketing those kind of things so if you have any suggestions on what you'd like to hear a webinar on we've got a couple open slots later this fall that we're kind of just waiting to see if we get some input from participants on specific areas that they'd like to to have us discuss so me an email you can I'm at Stacey Francis at INL gov that's Stacey with an ey and a Francis with an is or if it's easier just small dot business and INL dot-gov and that comes directly to me as well so again Ashley thank you for participating with us today and we will be sending out a short survey when we're done just to get some feedback um so that we can continue to improve our engagement webinar series so with that I'm gonna go ahead and sign off thanks everybody thank you so much Stacey and thanks to the audience for your time