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all right welcome along everybody to the plant to seed podcast i'm joined this afternoon by nikki beatty some of you may know nikki um i'm going to let nikki introduce herself nikki can you please introduce yourself and tell us a bit about what you do sure i'm um i'm a medic medically trained doctor i am qualified for medical school in 1981 so this is my 40th year of being qualified as a doctor um from the uk um i did a backpacking trip in new zealand got my residency uh married a kiwi uh pharma stroke entrepreneurs stroke every single thing going but anyway so um worked in in general practice um till about 20 uh 18 years ago roger and i farm on banks peninsula as well as have aquaculture and a few things um so i stopped medicine about 18 years ago i had three small kids very busy but um i i philosophically started i struggled with it because a lot of a lot of my thinking for health care at the time was um you know there's a lot of things you can do which don't involve prescribing drugs and i felt that my role was more importantly was to be a diagnostician and you know allay people's fears or and work out what the problems were and then send them down various paths for um all sorts of types of treatments because there's a lot of things out there that aren't orthodox conventional medicine actually are really good for your health so i did quite a lot of research into that and i remember giving a presentation um to a gp group you used to have to do sort of webinar seminar things and um and i gave a talk about all the things that were available um you know a general overview of different types of midst and so chinese meds and kinesthesiology and various other other things i've looked into and at the end of my presentation there was a stony silence and eventually someone said oh well young doctor if you're gonna start recommending that sort of thing you're going to be in trouble with the medical council so i came home and i said to my husband roger i said well i knew i was different but i'm on the deficit different planet to these people really um there's no real there's no real way to go with this so and i was struggling with all the businesses and three small children so so i just stopped medicine um it wasn't a simple thing to do but i mean i haven't looked back since i pulled out because you because as a doctor you were it was becoming more and more protocol so when some so we get things um coming in uh people came into the surgery and basically if they had a b or c this is you did you know x y z end of story and that was that you had to stick to the protocols and in fact you were overseen randomly and if you were if you would if you deviated at all you were in trouble with the medical council and so i would say to the nurses well i get a robot to do this i mean i'm not even allowed to think anymore you know it's pretty bad yeah and especially when you know you you know your patients so you know that there's various things that they would like to do but i i still used to get people coming in and i'd say well i'm supposed to tell you i mean at the time we were going through the oh the the fat thing the cholesterol ah yeah yeah butter is bad better so we were going through the butter thing and i remember that advert they had on um about butter and margarine and the new zealand butter industry put up um what mummy what's in butter and it was cream and salt and what's in margarine and she said oh ask your father dear he's the chemist there's a long long list of ingredients in margarine and i used to say to patients well i'm supposed to tell you to eat margarine but i don't i eat butter and so that was like that was the professional advice to eat margarita no no we had to because we were obsessed with cholesterol i mean of course now it's all been completely i mean i've lived through a few medical scams really i mean they're not meaning to be scams but they get onto a small amount of research and go down this rabbit hole and they can't see big pictures and so i've seen flip-flops in lots of advice like you have to eat margarine and now no you've not eaten margarine you treat butter and and even now there's still a lag with the fat things in there i mean it's crazy yeah crazy and and the amount of people saying none at all you know don't i mean if i have to buy blue top milk i also buy cream and put and make it half and half yeah yeah well you can even buy it half and half it's great but if you can't buy half and half i add cream to the milk to make it at least vaguely wholesome so craziness and and and there's a lot of this and and the other thing that i can't i can't comprehend is that whenever there's a nutritional fad or you know there's a change in people's thinking on nutrition they in they interview a medical person now medical people know unless they're interested no diddly squat about nutrition and diet when i was at medical school we did one lecture a nutrition and i don't think it's changed that much uh one of our lads was going out with a um newly qualified doctor and she said that they only did one or two lectures so it hasn't changed and yet they always interview medical people about nutrition and it's just it's mind-boggling and we practice it we trust it like if a doctor tells me you've got to do this you know it's like my grandmother when i am and i you know bless her she's still getting around eating the 99 fat free luncheon that you buy in logs like that you cut the piece off it looks like plastic buys the margarine and the 5kg tub you know oh it's great stuff she says put that in with the spuds while you're frying them butter and yeah it's you know butter replacement but anyway my grandmother um once she had heard recently that i had had a go at fasting and um and i and i come in and and first thing my grandma does when i come home is um food you know it's her love is food yeah give you you never go there and not eat and um anyway i come in and she said would you i'll cook you have a quick um i've got some spuds in the fridge you know cook that will fry them up and i was just like no it's okay and then she's like oh you're not hungry you know you look skinny she's always saying that you need to eat something so no i'm just having a go this thing that where i'm not eating for a few days she was just like she's like you're gonna kill yourself she she got pissed off like actually pissed off what are you doing the silly stuff for and now every time if i want to talk to her about nutrition because i i can see the link you know that's missing is this nutrition conversation um and and if i ever mention anything around like um you know diversifying your gut biome or you know eating for instance like whole dairy products or you know real good um animal fats or whatever she says oh if it's got anything to do with that bloody fasting i want nothing to do with it and the other thing is she the other day i went there for those of you that don't know i had a pretty substantial car crash recently which we may talk about soon because nikki was a big part of that uh healing process but um i went there to my grandma's and um my grandfather died her husband about three four months ago and um or five months ago and she's she's gone and kept all of his paracetamol and codeine and and i turned up and she's hey how are you feeling son and i said no bit of pain here and there she's oh you're taking plenty of painkillers i said nah i'm not i'm not really oh you're bloody stupid take these and get brings out seven boxes of codeine and paracetamol and wanted to give me these prescription drugs because to her they equal health yeah well you see it's interesting i mean there's so you have symptoms for a reason you have pain because it's telling you something so that you don't overdo something and injure yourself again um an obsession with panadol taking is just is extraordinary i couldn't tell you when i last took a pen at all but fever pain all these symptoms are telling you something or they're doing it i mean a fever is a good thing because it cranks up your immune system and it needs to function fully function at a at a higher temperature than 37.5 degrees so you need the fever for your immune system to work properly but but modern modern parents modern man is just instant just suppress it suppress it paracetamol get that female down absolutely crazy i mean everyone's everyone's petrified of female convulsion but that's so uncommon and it's only very very high from favor yeah yeah yeah but yeah but but anybody i mean people people are they're almost trying to deny what i mean you know the body tries to heal itself um and and modern man tries to suppress everything that that is vaguely um uh uncomfortable you know yes and pleasant so um i mean when i was in practice you know upper resp you know common cold head cold sore throat the usual thing i mean the flu that everyone called it it's not actually the flu but they call it everyone calls it the flu and and it's literally a self-limiting thing it's it's a it's a pain it's annoying it's um it's uncomfortable um it's an inconvenience and it's probably you know a five to ten day inconvenience but people just want instant instant fix it i mean they can't stomach having it for a you know a day or two even just recently someone said that they've gone to the doctor because they're you know they're they're sore throated and cold are gone for three whole days and you're like really i mean it's diddly squat you know it's nothing um so they don't and i used to spend a lot of time um if people came in you know you check check up for you know check it and go on their chest and all these sorts of things and and grab an opportunity to talk about uh dieter or what they could drink you know hot lemon and honey and honey is an awesome awesome treatment for lots of things manuka honey and um you know so i'd spend a lot of time telling them why they don't need antibiotics with a viral illness but um but by joke they'd sit there with their arms folded very angry because they'd paid to get the prescription for the antibiotics and i'd say look you know if i'm only in it for the money i could hire you out that door in two minutes with a prescription for moxil but i'm actually trying i'm here to to look after your health therefore i'm spending time educating you and why it's why you don't need antibiotics well it was it was such hard work you know to actually do the to do the right thing by people that people just want instant instant fixes and and there's no understanding of um like people correlate bugs or or biology your bacteria is the devil and so you know if we're sick oh it's we need to get that antibiotic kill everything and and everywhere now we've gotten used to just like antibacterial hand wash at the sink we use sprays that are 99 germ killing and we're living in this sterile environment it's no wonder we get sick yeah i mean we've crucified our gut microbiome and i mean i i i said to someone the other day with this hand sanitizer i'd rather rather rub my hands and do it than use that i would it's crazy stuff but the so the thing is jono you and i met because of this regenerative agricultural sector yeah um which um so when when we'd stopped when i stopped medicine um i ended up moving into a small business with kelp which we had um access to on our farm um because we also have aquaculture so we would we were feeding power with um kelp and so we started to dry it and mill it and so we sold it as a condiment which is um which is very good for your iodine levels yeah yeah but we don't we don't use that brand now we mainly wholesale tool organic kelp um produces in new zealand and it goes overseas but and then also it's put on the land and it's an extraordinary plant because it grows a foot a day so when you put it on the land it's you know your garden can grow like triffids and it's a phenomenal plant and one of nature's wonders of which there are many but you know it it's so incredible to see how it can be used for so many positive things it's um and then you know the farming we've we have hill country we're busy so we're easy care so we've just naturally moved into the whole regenerative sector which wasn't a thing when we started fun but but we we were basically doing a lot of it um and and of course now now there's more and more information about how you how you are supposed to do the regen thing and then there's you know holistic grazing tall grass farming um many multi-species diversity major it's a phenomenal phenomenal setup system isn't it i mean it is it's the only way for us to all go but the and the wonderful thing is that that um the whole farming community that's involved in this they are they're defaulting to use less and less artificial inputs and that includes chemicals by nature of the way it works it definitely you guys are organic and so you guys got no choice but there's a lot of people um confuse regenerative with organics like sure um we want to get to the point where there's no chemicals but it's just a byproduct of having a functional system we do just as a consequence just wean off these things because we don't need them yeah because i mean our daughter at the moment she's she's on a a cat you know rampage you get anti-anti-glyphosate roundup type thing and i said to her you can't just you can't just shout it from the rooftops like greta thundberg and say no you can't use this no you know it doesn't work like that people have to it's difficult to change people don't like change it's their livelihood it's it's stressful you've got to graduate by default if this is happening yeah yeah and people will not from like i know no not no antagonistic approach but um so and of course i just i just love it because when we when i started going to field days and that's where we you know we met and you go in a paddock and you and you see a conventional or conventional farmer looks and he's got he's got weeds he's got to spray it right a regen egg holistic farmer goes i've got this weed oh great it's telling me something yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the sauce can the sauce compacted the sauce acidic whatever it's telling me stuff therefore i'm going to look at the soil and by by fixing the the shortage or in the soil or the deficiency uh or the aeration or the problem it will the weed will disappear right this is the this is like frighteningly it's almost like a mirror up to the medical industry yeah because you get the doctor with a rash and the the doctor goes you got a rash you'll spray it yeah yeah put this this yeah steroid yeah well so you the spray is the cream what even this i know so you know and and yet if you go to a natural um healer of which there's many many amazing choices out there of what you can do um and and i mean they would spend for a start they'd spend at least minimum of an hour maybe up to three hours talking to you about your whole your whole life your whole history the whole you know your input picture of your general health and then you know the rash would be kind of a mere interest but it's the whole picture is what they're interested in not the rash and by fixing the big picture the rash will go same as the weed and and you just see it so much when you do when you go onto the farm and and and look at the health sector and and they're just there and they're calling out help me help me spray you know and the and sadly the um the listening out there in the community is very much the same in those two camps as well so and i'll just go back to my you know when i was in the very industrial conventional agriculture and agronomy space um anyone talks to me about uh farming without chemicals or fertilized i'm like hippies you know weirdos and then and then on the other end of the spectrum on the other end of the spectrum if i had a not that i ever really got sick but if i got sick i'm going to listen to the doctor not uh you know that was the listening and it's not some woo yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm going to leave my flex jandals at the home thanks you know yes we're so shut off we have to trust chemistry over nature like yeah well i mean and and yet and everyone said like oh the science will save us well well actually if you the science will say this as long as the science is looking at the scien e of the natural things that happen you know i mean i mean look look no one would doubt that if you have an acute issue definitely go to the doctor of the hospital absolutely but for chronic for chronic low-grade things there's there's a lot there's a lot out there that's that's that's you know that offers more than actually just a pill or a cream and um and it's powerful and it and it's in it's and it's your whole health it's your whole and it's your mental well-being the whole thing go together as does the way people farm i mean um i know that the people that do regen i mean from what from from our chat i think people get so excited about it that's always people thanks to them but yeah remember i actually was it came up on my facebook um uh memories was two years ago last week we were at your place yeah yeah i saw that yeah yeah with the quorum since field day and i remember that day like and there's a photo of me and i'm i'm i've got no shirt on standing out so we're having lunch outside your beautiful house and yeah the the environment of those meetings you know imagine if someone came in from like i'm not going to name anyone but you know someone really conventional i i would assert they would walk up the drive and this is ridiculous me assuming this but like this would not surprise me walk up the drive hear all this laughter have a look around the corner there's all these farmers standing around talking having fun oh that's weird i'm going to turn around and leave do you know what i mean like it's so profoundly enthusiastic it is so so enthusiastic people would think it's like a weird you know it's like farmers all of a sudden i'm just singing from my experience but farmers are almost scared of that level of happiness like because they're so used to their misery they're so used to their they're entrenched being hard done by and and doing things tough you know doing things tough entrenched and doing the same old same old and getting the same old results in fact it often gets worse doesn't it because they're they're flogging the dead horse as it were i suppose yeah but and the amazing thing about this whole regenerative agriculture is it's pulled together um i mean i i i mean i know i'm a medical doctor but i mean i'm not working now but i but i i work on the farm um but it's it's pulled together all sorts of like we've got scientists all sorts of people are coming into this space because at the end of the day we're all it impacts on all of us as to what we eat and that's you know that's profound i mean knowing knowing your food is going to do you some good is is essential for your health really anyway so um but it brings together a whole lot of a whole variety of of um in you know people in different industries uh even within the farming group and then there's the scientists and there's the health professionals you know we've got the homeopath and all sorts of people yeah what's up things i heard a stat this week nikki and my reader stat it's over 98 of all illnesses and diseases come back to a either a nutrient deficiency or a nutrient and excess yes yeah yeah well well it's it's it's very powerful and the other thing is that that's powerful is stress stress is another oh my goodness yeah i mean i yeah i think 95 illnesses are caused by stress as well so um different stresses of course but um and that's certainly not recognized um it's not recognized nor is epigenetics recognized by the medical profession which is gobsmackingly unbelievable that they don't recognize epigenetics before we go dinosaurs for that before we go down epigenetics because i can't wait to talk about that um let's what about the um the whole stress thing is similar to because you must had patients come to you with concerns about their mental well-being right yeah yeah and and would it a lot and common practice would be treat the symptoms so i mean i i went to the doctor when things weren't going well for me and my marriage was collapsing and and i was you know killing everything for a living but underneath i was i was really suppressed and resigned yeah i thought okay i'm depressed i'll go to the doctor yeah yeah and um yeah i was smoking like an ounce of cannabis a fortnight just sleep at night and and it was really you know i was in a dark place but i i had no idea it was anything to do with my choices in life i thought no i've got this illness and people think that that depression is an illness like it's something that you have and need to treat and so when i got and they gave me a prescription without any conversations it wasn't even a conversation about like how's my life no what are you what are you dealing with prescription i mean at least in the chemistry uh the chemist is over the street i walked over the street without going to my car handed my prescription over and that was a really low point for me because i felt like i was selling out i was like i don't know something inside me was just like you weak i felt weak you know and i handed it over the prescription they said it's going to be 20 minutes would you like to wait or come back i'll come back or go home and hang a load of washing out so when i was living in leeston with my family um and then went home and something just was like inside me just like i can't explain it but i didn't go back i didn't go and get it i didn't come in and then about maybe a few weeks later it was only a few weeks later um my ex-wife left and then i went through this like transformation and i realized that that that was just a symptom of my life situation that i had created and and my mindset and my stress and once i did it yeah but but but but to to to go and see a a health professional you'd have been what 15 15-20 minutes if you're lucky i mean there's just no way you can do five minutes five minutes well that's it's i mean it's criminal i was in the waiting room longer in five minutes to prescribe these things it's just yeah and i'm not saying like this i'm sure that's helped some people and i'm not saying don't go to your doctor no i know i might want to make that really clear and at the time although i didn't want to take them something had me not take them i didn't know what it was nor did i know there was other ways i could deal with my anxiety and stress i didn't know they came to me later through a series of you know unpredictable events that forced me to you know the hitting of the wall sort of forced me to change or force me to really listen to my body and yeah stop treating yeah well i mean we're fortunate in that we can look things up and and and i mean i think look no one's not to go to their doctor because that's you know that's what that's what the anchor that that people have um and also the guidance but but i think you gotta look at the doctor's one of many of your health professionals and the doctor isn't isn't the mainstay i don't think these days i don't i've got in my first aid kit would be all homeopathic stuff it wouldn't be i don't use any drugs or um and um there's panadol in the house but i don't i don't use any of that so how old are you can i ask 16 nearly 63. and you're out there you're telling me today how much you love your new handypiece for crutching your sheep yeah i know like superman i do i i i think people think i'm a bit odd but i do like crutching sheep i'd i should i should have been a hairdresser maybe i don't know but luckily luckily they don't have to deal with the [ __ ] but maybe give me a trim up yeah i bloody no i do like it's just you just tidy them up and make them look good and but um i just think that there's so many things that you can do for your health and i think that people need to understand that that your body wants to heal if you've got problems your body wants to heal it can heal there's so many things that you can do that are to do with your nutrition your lifestyle your stresses your mental health your spirituality and your body are all one there's no there's no separation from head to bot to mind to body it's all together and you've got to start looking at at looking at you at your whole health as a big picture so your mental health your physical health it's all connected and it's a big picture the doctor doesn't have time the way this it's structured they don't have time and they're not educated in i mean we're just not educated in nutrition it's so it's mostly pharmacological it's very heavily heavily in involved in the pharmacological business um and uh there's a amazing advances in all sorts of screening and that sort of thing and obviously surgery and and or obstetrics orthopedics awesome stuff but for general just general health and well-being you can't just rely on going to the doctor you've got to look at all sorts of things and hugely your nutrition so that's what you're putting into your body and um and your you know your mental health i mean there's so many people like this ben ben warren on be pure he's a nutritionist as dr libby they're awesome forums there's a lot of people that you can look at and uh i mean joe dispenza i put you on to him there's so many inspiring people out there that you can just look at that won't cost you online to start you on the journey but the main thing you've got to do is to take a hold of the wheel yourself and start and get people to help you drive your your your health and well-being and not just sit there and and just take the pills if you're told to you know you've got to start to really look into all the things you can do and mostly nothing will make you feel ill because you actually just can improve your health with what you're doing with your lifestyle and your food and making that choice instantly going from being a it is literally going from being a victim to being you know a proactive you know making in control and making a stand for yourself so what when you before you i was lying in hospital when you came and see me in hospital before you introduced me to joe dispenza i mean i was i was fortunate enough that you know my mindsets always had already been really you know optimistic and i just loved life and was doing things that equaled you know passion and enthusiasm but i did no idea that on a on a biological level and and um even down in a cellular level that our bodies respond to our thoughts so i had no idea that if you're in fear and anxiety and fight or flight mode your body is literally not and and it's it's shut down on its resilience because it's focusing on escaping on running and the minute that you that you step out of the being a victim and poor me and give me the treatments and help it is like help me it's like you know help me and i'm scared and there's like a lion's chase here but there's no lion the lion's in your head but that's the society we were all born into so don't take this personally the people that are listening don't take this personally we all were born into this but at some point when you take a stand and start to discover what you can do within yourself and and your thinking start taking action holy [ __ ] your whole body starts to change like and my recovery was i mean i broke 15 bones broke my back in four places had titanium rods holding my back up and and i was walking within a few days it was i mean sure i had surgery i remember you coming around nicky you're just like you're bloody you're you know i don't think you were surprised but i mean you were phenomenal like you were so ahead of all right you know it was the doctors were like you know like every every half hour they come with their packet of um painkillers and then laxatives and then anti-nausea medications because that's their line of treatment you know yeah painkillers to treat the pain and nausea medications because the painkillers give you nausea and then laxatives because the painkillers it's and and then you come around and next minute we've got some homeopathic treatments i'm on the i'm on the anika i'm on the bone knit and i'm all of a sudden now reading this amazing dude called joe dispenza which you you know got me onto and i listened to his book um come into the name of it but i was out of you know and the kids as well like i feel like i was able to be that stand for my children as well they saw that at that and me i wasn't you know and even during the crash after the crash i wasn't like a victim you know i was i was being proactive it was like i was telling the doctors what i was gonna do you know now i won't be taking that well your your outcome is is i mean it's it's a credit to to you and and your attitude and and and taking it all on board like you've said um and i mean you're you're just a living example of what you can do if you take a hold of the wheel um carrie uh um thomas also was pretty heavily involved in you in this with you i know and so um she needs to create a lot of credit for help for her help too because of a you know her amazing homeopathic remedies and um and an overall picture that you get when you when you use homeopathy but um but not only that as well but i mean i i carry actually lived in my house for a few weeks when she was in between houses and she opened the door to consciousness for me and i i mean at first i'll be honest i was like this is weird you know with consciousness what is you know what is this have i become a hippie you've got hairy legs oh crikey i've got hair everywhere nikki yeah yeah you can definitely be happy i just light my i just like my uh my my joint but anyway what i love about carrie is it's um sure there's homeopathic treatments but it's she's her approach is beyond that it's encompassing the mind that your i mean it is spirituality like you said and um i guess that's why doctors probably don't go that way because it's not everyone's the same you know it's everyone's so different and vastly different it would take up so much of their time and they'd actually if it would they would have to think nikki they would have to actually think well well look they do think and it's a hard job and i don't want we don't want to be totally no i shouldn't hard on the doctors it is a hard job but the trouble is they're not trained it's it's the way you're trained you're a clinician and it's very clinical and they treat the physical body that's what they treat the physical body that's the thing that's the main thing and even with um your mental health issues it's kind of a it's very limited it's it's only it's it's treating on the surface with their with their you know chemical remedies but um so it so they don't have they certainly don't have the time the way it's structured um and that's why i say i think that people have to look to say yes go to the doctor but also the there's other there's many other choices out there not for acute stuff not for urgent stuff no no you get the doctor you totally do and you always go to the doctor but but unfortunately some of them are fairly um fairly uh what's the word um limited but well critical in in a lot of alternative stuff um and and you know um no don't believe in a lot of alternative stuff so sometimes it jeopardizes your relationship if you do mention all the things that they regard as wacky uh that you do so um but i think that's changing the younger generation coming through uh seemed to be more open to it although it's not taught at medical school still it's still very clinical uh teaching environment very intense a lot of knowledge they have phenomenal but but it's almost like that that it's only it's so specific that it's not really your general health care which but but nowadays you can get a lot just freely online you know by by knowing these forums i mean there's an incredible forum called mind valley have you heard of them that's amazing they've got all sorts of all sorts of you need to look at mind valley um and then of course there's good old wim hof you know about him i know yeah i've definitely done a bit of breathing yeah well he's amazing i mean if you want powerful mind of a matter stuff he's amazing yeah and so there's so many and i mean it's not for everybody i mean people just have to go and look and go that's too much that's crazy i couldn't do that but there's something will resonate that that will help you if you keep looking if you really want to to be in charge of managing your mental and physical health you know you can find all sorts of things out there and that's what we're very lucky about so um so i think you know we we're having this chat here but i my my message that i think is important is that that with your with your nutrition and your health and everything it's all balanced and and on farm it's all in a balance and if you if you try to work with with nature work with it and not against it then it'll be a big circle and it'll all come back to balance but but when you do orthodox medicine and conventional farming you just sledgehammer things and it isn't a balance [Music] you know it's the sprays just put things out of balance i mean they completely do and the antibiotics you destroy your microbiome and you and you destroy the soil biology with the sprays and and and both approaches need to look at the soil and the body and and look at it differently and i think that's as that's why for me uh working on the farm and working with health it's like i mean that's both so important because they're both interrelated so in so much and and why the doctors should and the farmers should know each other i mean you should know in your area where you get decent food and that you should be as a doctor you should be saying go to this far you know their power in christchurch we've got their powers farming farmers market that mercy has organic food there yeah so there's there's a couple of things there for the listeners so they can get curious online about you know there's lots of people online that you can search up and learn off there's nutrition now what what what is that we're doing this regenerative farming thing and for the consumer that perhaps doesn't understand region of agriculture and we talk about we've talked a lot about nutrition what does nutrition actually look like on a consumer level on a practical consumer level like we we're lucky enough to understand that how to grow good food but and i mean when people only know supermarkets right well i used to i actually used to give we talk at school when the um kids were at junior school they'd asked me because um of the lunchbox thing that um a lot of the staff kind of pulled their hair out about what kids were sent in their lunch lunch boxes and you know they'd say they'd maybe have a chocolate biscuit and then they'd have a chocolate bar and then they'd have a packet and you just sort of just be gassed at what people fed their kids for lunch yeah and i so i remember standing up there thinking i've just got to keep it simple i you know um and i used to say look if it's live if it was growing or running you can eat it you know yeah basically so um so things if lots of ingredients on a packet it's just no numbers no way yeah numbers words you can't pronounce you know um apple ingredients apple i mean that's what it should be you know what i mean it shouldn't be a huge list on a packet and um as i used to say the kids you know um two minute noodles throw the noodles away and eat the packet seriously it'd be better for you yeah absolutely and and i remember one lady she had a toddler who had really bad diarrhea and i said oh um a really good treatment for um for diarrhea and in fact adults can use it too is is is an uh an orange so juice and orange and put brown sugar in it a tablespoon of brown sugar in it but um this week you know i said when they start if they've lost a lot of if it's profound dary you lose a lot of salt so i said to to give them sir you know some orange juice some proper orange juice so this lady was saying says that that raro stuff and i just oh my god have you ever read what's in aurora packet honestly no we used to take it to school and eat it dry i mean it's not food and then you go into a supermarket and you can honestly get put food on one aisle wow i think so i mean there's so little that's actually food in the supermarket it just does your hidden seriously yeah i mean i'm not like i i mean chocolate is a beautiful food cacao is actually really good for you yeah ko is a health food but it's got to be mostly kakao not not a lot of sugar yeah refined sugar yeah so um you know so there's i'm not a prudent you know i mean i i um i used to make or make your own homemade crisps that's really nice too in a in a deep fryer because of course fats are good but actually the one thing that people should know is the mono um is polyunsaturated vegetable oils are seriously bad for you seriously yeah because they're because they're polyunsaturated unsaturated in chemistry means that they're unstable and as soon as you ingest them they have to actually stabilize in your system so they have to bind with something so they bind they bind to the blood cells and um and that's what causes the damage you know there was it was a phone call um so um so when you talk about nutrition i think i think you've got to sort of if you're going to look at it and go do i recognize what this is i mean was it was it live at some stage you know was it growing um and simple you know and that people can actually grow food themselves as well like you it's amazing yeah in fact we're having huge success with with strawberry plants in pots this year which is much easier than having them in the garden and we're getting strawberries most days for breakfast of of pots you know and then the darn things grow so you can just cut another runner and then you don't even have to buy another plant the wretched thing's taking out taking over the house but yeah you don't need a big garden or anything and of course the square foot garden thing's phenomenal because you can produce out of a square foot garden you will need to look do you know about square foot gardening look that up that's impressive and and then the other thing you get out of that is how it feels so good growing your own food not just on like a you know eerie fairy feel good thing but you know actually getting your hands in soil getting inoculated with all those microbes it's literally nature's ant antidepressant like it just you can't help but be happy out there i was just that's in my veggie garden i chose not to wash my hands because i'm just like loving it you know i put the spuds in the bag and they're just full of soil i refused to clean my spuds when i was eating i was walking through my chaos garden and i picked up a radish and i was a beautiful big red one i just went chomps my first one it was hot and then so i'm looking around for things that'll cool my mouth and i'm like turn it all that'll do would be juicy chop and it was still hot and i was like oh man what else and i'm looking around i'm like pee grab a pee chuck it in my mouth and i was just like ah just not not the pea pod just the whole beer just for the whole plan yeah just just jammed it in my mouth yeah yeah and then and then that's when i knew i i had become a hippie exactly said right but but even i mean even the medical professional i mean the statistics about people uh uh the certain things are associated with longevity and gardening is one of them people that actually garden have um have a longer life span than people that don't so it is it is actually medicinal anyway um but because it's the whole lifestyle thing it's that whole distress it's it's earthing of course yeah earth because because if you're working in an office or um or you're constantly wearing um you know boots and isolating yourself from from the gravity gravity on the planet um which a lot of modern man does then your whole energy levels all up the what what so you've really got to ground yourself daily so gardening does that by even putting your hands in the in the soil hmm that's actually a fantastic and it was only recently that i got onto that and i i got onto the the understanding of of earthing not not that i was looking for it but i was reading a book and it was a book on taoism and they talk about and and and the dao they talk about um you know chi or energy flow and you can't you can't and and how you can build your energy levels and and how you can it makes you so effective in your life and ways that you can lose that energy like um you know negativity being around certain people that that totally and and like things like um sadly i learned ejaculation does that but also that to replenish and rejuvenate breathing and breathing um while you're earth and between the hours of it talks about the hours of like 11 p.m till about 5 a.m apparently that's in the in the and the dow was the time when the earth's when the air is most negative particles negatively charged particles and it's those negatively charged particles that they talk about build your and if you talk to wim hof or you know those guys are breathing the energizer breathing skin just it just pumps you up yeah well breathing is huge it's a massive thing i mean there's a um uh there's a fellow cured himself of um i mean you can br you can cure yourself for lots of things with actual breathing techniques i know that yeah that's another huge topic but um talking about the energy fields um overnight being native the dawn caught you know the dawn chorus you know how it starts up before the first light yes and you know why that is are they breathing no they're sensing that energy change that's what that's what starts them off it's the energy fields that's before the light comes that's why because they all went because birds will sing just before dawn yeah yeah and right at the end of the day like right in the evening as well a lot of birds they yeah that's right yeah so and and you talking about energy i mean i energy energy medicine is phenomenal i love energy medicine and and of course you get that that's what region egg is with all the energy um and the soil microbiome and all the roots and the plants have all their energies i mean it's a massive topic but if you animals have use energy a lot i mean horses especially they use horses for juvenile offenders and things don't they in there getting them connected and yeah because a horse like if you go in a paddock i don't know if you know much about horses but a horse can sense uh our daughter is awesome with horses and as soon as they even though if before they know who it is they obviously look they can see her aura and the horses are ears forward looking and chewing happy as larry but someone who's a bad mood or whatever they can sense it and the ears are back but long before you've got near to them they they can see your energy yeah yeah and i can't do the same yeah animal sense energy and i mean humans can but we've lost lost the natural ability um that some people still can but it's phenomenal energy we've all had those people nikki that you know you you someone walks into a room and you're just like oh you know what i mean that yeah they don't have to say anything i used to be able to clear rooms without saying anything i was carrying around lots of resentment and bitterness oh okay [ __ ] you didn't know me i know i know seriously i was i was very good at doing that but yeah cows in my in my years of milking cows and i didn't know it was anything i and perhaps i couldn't see it because i was so shut off um but if you were stressed one the cows won't flow they won't come in to if you're milking in a rotary platf um cowshit the cows won't walk into the platform you've got to jam the backing gate at what i didn't do this but that's what i'm saying is if you are calm and peaceful you don't even need to use the backing gate they will literally walk in on their own and and my girlfriend ruby is a fantastic example of that she can milk the whole herd of cows without moving the backing out they all walk around they want to come in but if someone comes in that's stressed they won't flow they start [ __ ] everywhere no [ __ ] these cows if if there's someone it cuts off that is in a foul mood the cows will go around all good until they get to that person and then [ __ ] everywhere they're not silly no i know well i mean humans are silly i know we've just we're just so detached from it all it's so ridiculous and that's that's why that's what that's what we're here for because that's why you and i talking because we just got it you know the whole farming and the health thing they are so they are hand in hand absolutely it's it's that's where you start yeah with what with your food and what and what you eat and the two are just vitally important and and i think that that you know we really need to concentrate on that and i think so um if you develop an interest as well you know talk to people about it because it's no good just there with you like if you and i'd ever talked would never have you know shared the knowledge we've had and now we've got this you know cool exchanging and sharing of information but a lot of people will just um and look i can only talk from my own experience but i just carried it all around with me and and if i was interested in something that was a bit different i'd be too ashamed to talk about it because it's like oh people think i'm weird but i mean we're all very weird you know it's about time we embraced our uniqueness and in nature everything's so vastly different and and there's all this diversity everywhere all the time and i don't know why i'm going off onto this now but i'm what i'm speaking to is like this attachment to uniformity and and things being the trying to be the same and not stand out like a tall poppy um things like modern man and his ego i think and i think that we've got to be just more open and accepting and also you know look where we come from how we survived this far you know um there was some there's been some good stuff going on um in the world with you know with food and health and and you know it pays to to sometimes look back because we lost we've lost a lot of good stuff i mean there's a lot of exciting things going on for sure but but uh but as a as a species our our general health is deteriorating i mean in america um i mean um i really like zach bush he's a phenomenal he's a medical oncologist and he's gotten to regenerative agriculture too hasn't he and um i mean 46 percent of children in america have chronic disease i mean 46 percent i mean it's unbelievable um and one in three americans um male male 1 one in three women get cancer one in two males i mean it's shocking yeah it's just like you just could and you know i i qualified in midst 40 years ago so this i mean the statistics have changed when we did allergies in medical school it was you're allergic to the drugs you see um and and they mentioned bee stings and the odd person was allergic to oysters or shellfish or maybe strawberries even but it was really drugs and so and now i mean how many i don't think there'd be anyone that doesn't know someone who has an allergy like gluten allergy well there was no one at school had an analogy for a start and this is only a generation two generations i suppose isn't it if you talk about 20 years no a generation i don't know but i mean this is a very short time frame and we have so many people allergic to i think it's 30 of population here um and and then all these diseases chronic diseases that just just weren't there and this is is this is modern but you see we were taught allergies people were allergic to drugs and of course we've turned our food into drugs haven't we because it's attached to all these sprays yeah yeah yeah it just wasn't and people except i can't get over how people just accept it and all they do is they produce gluten-free products as opposed to going what the heck's going on with our food yeah yeah i mean that that's pretty pretty profound jono isn't it yeah i mean i don't think there'll be anyone listening here that doesn't know someone that's not allergic to something yeah yeah that's why we're so i mean that's why and you as well so so excited about this regenerative such a thing because if we can produce our food that's whole and complete on a nutrient level but it's also biologically alive so that when we eat we're actually supposed to be exactly but the ripple affects nikki like people talk about the expense of healthy eating but won't question the 50 doctor's bill and then the you know literally it's our biggest expense in new zealand right now is is medical costs but we're talking about expensive food and yet we've got farmers getting aid you know in some cases less than 10 of the production worth of their product and we're yeah it's not just making money i mean we've been farming we've been farming now um i mean i don't know uh nearly 30 years and we still get in fact we probably we're still getting less than what we sold the first year wow for us tears less money it's crazy and i mean you can't give wool away i mean it almost costs you to send your wool away you know no no no no no it's it's just getting absorbed in oh that's another whole thing that was it but but um but i you know people people need to connect what you're eating with your health and if you if you as i say if you're finding it difficult to kind of work that out just just ask yourself what's happened that we've got so many people allergic to everything and then and then all these chronic diseases that people have i mean asthma is eczema's cancer uh autism uh you know alzheimer's they're modern diseases diabetes they're all modern diseases they're all created by modern man wow yeah we can and and that that through good nutrition and good lifestyle a lot of these can not only be uh prevented but i've learned that a lot of these can be reversed totally totally it's phenomenal yeah there's not many things that um i i mean there's this there would be stories for every single ailment that that can be cured using natural means absolutely totally yeah no it's pretty phenomenal well jono i'm a we probably should be mindful of yeah yeah i know your time is valuable nicky so look i want to thank you for your insight holy moly even you know me hearing a lot of the stuff for the first time is just like far out and it's so refreshing to hear it from a medical practitioner and someone that's out there on the ground doing it you're producing what i know for a fact to be the tastiest lamb i've ever had in my life through the the sheep that you guys grow out there on the hill holy moly if anyone's interested check out um roger and nicki's um what's the best for the lamb would it just be wild what w-y-l-d we we do um products through wild yeah w-i-l-d dot co dot n said check that out honestly check out the um the nz kelp website as well for the for the kelp products which are phenomenal for waking up soil life and even for feeding to animals i recommend their products a lot to my clients also check out the blue pearls fascinating stuff growing pearls in power who would have thought um but yeah nikki's just one of these go-getters out there doing stuff so thank you so much nikki for joining me today and giving up your time well thanks joe same to you awesome stuff thanks go well awesome