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good afternoon everybody my name is Bill McKinley I am the secretary of the New Mexico Workforce Solutions Department and we are extremely happy today to be talking with you about a major effort of the lujan grisham Association which is to really do a better job here in New Mexico of bringing apprenticeships into the 21st century so as many of you might be aware apprenticeship is a traditional way for people to learn skills while going into a new job and states around the country have been really working on this over the past 20 years a lot of European countries have really used the strategy effectively to move their workforces and their economies forward and it is a big priority of governor lujan-grisham to do a better job at this and so we've been happily partnering with a lot of our apprenticeship programs and some new employers on strategies to make this more effective so we were happily to be joined today by courtney i course from the building trades Association we have Greta I'm sorry I'm blowing your last name human greatest human from one of our real good partners in the construction industry and apprenticeship programs with the Associated Builders and Contractors and we have Cheryl gildner from affordable solar who's gonna be one of our newest apprenticeship employers and they're gonna be starting a registered apprenticeship program so I'd like to go through a little bit a presentation we have talking about the efforts that we're making and our goals and then turn it over to these great folks to talk about where they're going from here so if we could share the presentation Stacy [Music] second getting it open one moment please and do you like it yep it's perfect and can you go to the next slide please and so why are apprenticeships and why is that model really important the first thing it's really critical to note is that ninety-five percent of jobs that have been created in the United States since the end of the Great Recession require more than a high school degree now you don't necessarily have to have a bachelor's degree or master's or whatever but you do have to have a certified skill to be able to move forward and the occupations the technical occupations the United States actually added a million and a half jobs during that time the only industry that added more jobs was healthcare so if you look at a lot of these technical occupations you look at welding you look at carpentry you look at plumbing a lot of the skilled construction labor they've added a lot of jobs and these are really good paying jobs the second thing that's really important to note is that the amount of apprentices has grown in the United States and if you look at states like Colorado South Carolina Maryland they've done a really good job moving their apprenticeship programs into the 21st century and adding people into the apprentice programs the last thing to really note about this situation is that we always tend to think when you say apprentices of the traditional building trades and those are great and we want to make sure that we do a good job of allowing people to understand what those options are for them but apprentices don't just have to be in those traditional trades in fact the Harvard Business School said that you can actually look at a whole bunch of new types of occupations and say okay can we use the apprenticeship model of earning while you learn having kind of a classroom portion of your program but also working at the same time to really help employers find the skilled labor that they need to learn and grow and so when you look at advanced manufacturing industries that you may not normally think of like tax preparers and then new types of trades like solar installers and Sherrill will be talking about that little later these are some great opportunities for us to grow apprenticeships here in Mexico you can actually multiply the amount of jobs covered by apprenticeships according to Harvard by eight times what we currently have now they asked to make that you have about 3.2 million American jobs where they could be fulfilled by apprentices and many of these opportunities allow you to have a career ladder to higher earning jobs and and so what we're trying to say is you don't necessarily have to go to college and get a bachelor's degree there are these really great career pathways through apprenticeships open to you and a lot of times employers are telling us that when they use the apprenticeship model you help in providing workers for jobs that are difficult to fill let me go to the next slide please once again we kind of touched on this in the opening this is a win-win for everybody a lot of times you hear that especially with young people going to school means a lot of times going into debt and if you go into the apprenticeship field if you go into a field with that option you can actually earn a wage while you're getting your education and your experience necessary and employers love it because they can basically say all right we need a certain skill set of workers moving forward we can easily identify the folks come in train them and that'll help us both start and expand it actually increases engagement and retention for workers when they go into a job and it's cost savings for employers because you're not constantly you know refilling the till every time you need a new worker because you're bringing someone in from the beginning they feel more of an attachment with their employer and they tend to stay longer once again we're talking about this training ensuring that you are adequately prepared for work in your field so if you're going into a job you've got that skill set necessary to do a good job and help your employer grow and then once again we talked about earning a credential dental jobs are good-paying jobs and they can be used to make a great salary to support their families and build their communities can we go to the next slide please so there are basically a couple of things that we're doing here at the Workforce Solutions Department to expand apprenticeships the first thing is we got a grant from the federal government and that will allow us to increase our staffing in a couple of critical areas and through that staffing allow us to create more wraparound services for apprentices one of the things that we found when we first got looking at this was that the dropout rate for a lot of apprentice programs was fairly high and it was across the board what we really want to do is look to create staffing that will help us give the counseling and the resources we need so that apprentices can stay in their programs rather than dropping out because they don't feel like they're getting the support that they need this staff will also allow us to outreach to other employers all around the state and say hey look if you haven't thought about working on an apprenticeship program and starting one here's how it works here are the benefits and here's what you got to do and really handhold people through the process because a lot of employers you know they may want to do this but they may think it's too much of a bureaucracy so we have people that are specifically set up in all the regions of the state to help work them through the process so that they feel comfortable with it we're also having partnerships with our local workforce development boards there are four regional boards throughout the state that run about twenty five million dollars of funds through a program called we own that stands for workforce innovations and opportunities act and what that money can do is help pay for two basic programs it can help pay for wage reimbursements for employers so if you want to bring people on to a training program we can help pay for those workers while they're in the training program it can also fund classroom education for workers themselves if there's a portion of any program that they need to pay for at a local Community College or through a customized training program we also really want to work on though we love the construction trades and we want to help build them up and we've got a couple of great folks here from the construction industries to talk about that we want to also say hey look how do we look at an early childhood education field as being good for an apprenticeship program how do we look at teaching in general as opening that up can we look at you non-traditional areas like tax preparers those are the things that we want to do to say if you want to learn a skill you just don't have to be a welder you can do this in a lot of different areas we also want to pervert promote diversity 97% of the apprentices we have here in New Mexico are men and there's nothing about being a woman that prevents you from being a really really good worker that can come through an apprentice training program now to be fair we are also having this issue in health care where I think it's 83 percent of nurses in the state are women and so we really want to have a talk about gender diversity and the way we recruit different people into our programs and let them know lay look if this is something you're interested in there's no reason you can't do this and then we also want to do a work search waivers for apprentices for getting under the unemployment program the Carpenters Union specifically has a week-long classroom portion of every month of their apprenticeship program and what we're gonna allow starting this summer is for people to get unemployment for those weeks so that they can work three weeks and get unemployment for another week so they're not missing out on a week of money coming in to help support their families next slide please the next thing we want to do is talk about partnerships with our schools so we're not just talking about apprenticeships here we're also talking about Career Pathways in general and how we work with our high school teachers and our high school guidance counselors at letting students know what their options that are in giving them a boost if this is something that they want to pursue so we've been working with Building Trades and Courtney will be talking about this we were actually going to implement I believe two or three different types of one-week OSHA occupational safety and health administration classes for students in the fall or excuse me in the spring before kovat hit and we're gonna be working with them in the future to do these virtually so we can offer these one-week classes so that you can get your certification in high schools statewide and then if you want to become apprenticeship you want to go into an apprenticeship program when you graduate you he got that into your belt it puts you to the front of line for a lot of the programs I'll let Courtney talk more about his mc3 program his multi craft core curricula program they've already got a couple of schools that they are in partnership with and are working on some other ones and that will give people a one-year apprenticeship module that they can work and then go into an apprenticeship program as soon as they get out and then we're really excited about our mock interview process one of the things we hear not even just with apprenticeships but across employers as a whole is that the soft skills of students in New Mexico really aren't where they should be and looking people in the eye knowing how to write a resume not in text message language that sort of thing and so we're really going to continue our partnership with the public schools finding a way to do that safely in a kovat environment but really giving those students an opportunity to practice their interview skills so they can go into a career and feel comfortable with that next slide please just want to give you some of the new programs that we've got that are either either these we owe a funded career pathway projects or registered apprenticeship programs and 3b is one of the contractors up in Los Alamos and they've been guns blazing working with UNM los alamos up there on boot camps that allow people to get paid while they learn their nuclear operator jobs and they go right into jobs the rural Water Association is has started an apprenticeship program and they confirm that earlier in this year we're really excited to be working with affordable solar and Cheryl will be talking with that later as well as air sail Roswell they are one of the aircraft maintenance programs down in Roswell at the old Walker Air Force Base and they're really interested in apprenticeship model and the last one I'll talk to here is we are in conversations in Taos to work on an apprenticeship program for early childhood educators all throughout Taos with UNM Taos and we're we're excited to begin talking about that and we're going to be moving forward there the last one I'll mention is on the bottom Lane all the Los Alamos National Laboratories Foundation is extremely interested in pursuing a holistic apprenticeship program for northern New Mexico and we are just engaging in in conversations with them about doing more expanded apprenticeship programs in their area next slide please very excited about this for those of you that don't know the Department of Workforce Solutions runs the AmeriCorps programs here in the state we've got ten programs with five hundred and four members the folks in these programs are learning a lot of skills both the soft skills that we talked about earlier knowing how to work as a team knowing how to look people in the eye how to communicate with other folks but also they're learning a hard skill while they're teaching while they're distributing food while they're out in the woods maintaining trails for different programs they're learning a skill and what we've required this year of every single one of our AmeriCorps programs is that there be a workforce component so that if I'm in the Rocky Mountain youth corps and I'm learning how to be effective in the woods I might be able to get a job with the u.s. Forest Service doing some of their their trail repair working in their fire departments if I'm in Teach for America how do I get hooked up with the New Mexico public education department and get a job in the schools where we need a lot of teachers if I'm in the C Corps program here in the Albuquerque area and I'm learning how food distribution works how do I move over to work for Roadrunner Food Bank so we're really excited that every single one of these programs is gonna have a workplace component with it last slide please we are also very excited to roll out a brand new easy to understand useful website for apprenticeships and if you go to this site you'll see all of the information about all the registered apprenticeship programs we have in New Mexico it's easy to navigate there are fields that you can fill out if you're interested in a certain type of apprenticeship where you can actually get in touch with one of our apprenticeship counselors and they'll put you in touch with the right program and we're just starting to roll out now actually video success stories where we go to someone who's in the program are just out of it and they can tell you a little about their life what they're doing and why it's been good for them and so all of these efforts put together are going to contribute to us trying to have 22 registered apprenticeships and really expand a lot of other career pathway initiatives here in the state and let me just say this one more time before we move on governor lujan-grisham cares deeply and passionately about making sure that all New Mexicans have the skills that they need to compete and win in a 21st century economic and this is one of the critical ways we can do work on to really grow that opportunity for New Mexicans right now I'd like to pass it on for a short presentation by Courtney Nighthorse who runs the building trades unions here in New Mexico and Courtney if you wouldn't mind giving us a few minutes on some of the things you're working at and how you're moving forward love - Thank You Secretary McKinley good afternoon everyone this is a great opportunity for us to talk about what we love the most is our apprenticeship programs I'm the business manager for you a local 4:12 plumbers and pipefitters and absolutely happy to report right now we have a larger number of apprentices th
n we've ever had before we have five locations around the state and one in El Paso that takes care of our apprenticeship training and we've done a phenomenal job of growing with our out rates we currently have 19 female apprentices registered in our program we are almost 20% veterans in our program that's something we're really striving for and it's been great to watch as far as building trades I'm the president for the Mexico Building Trades Council which makes up 15 different trade unions in the state and that goes from plumbers and pipefitters to electricians to sheet metal workers to the painters to the installation covers a pretty wide variety of trades right now every one of our friendship programs is larger than they've been we've done a great job of recruiting and promoting and one of the things we're trying to achieve is to retain our apprentices until completion some of our apprenticeship programs are three years some are four and some are five and we've been asked nicely to help with retention it's something we need to work on and we're doing a good job and we're spending a lot more time coaching our prentices now making sure we can help them with their life skills with any issues that come up on the job or out of the job and so it's been exciting but we've been looking for a way to bring in high school students directly from the high schools into our current programs with the jump start they'll already have some tools under their belt so like Secretary McKinley said we have an agreement in place with Lowe's almost National Labs house high school and then building trades for an apprenticeship readiness program in Taos we same thing in questa now same thing in Pojoaque Valley schools what this is is it's it's great timing couldn't be better its online curriculum it teaches these young people about the trades and it goes through nine different categories from blueprint reading to OSHA to first aid CPR to financial literacy to diversity in the workplace and it goes through these different criteria and it helps these young people get rarity to become an oppress so if you go through one of our MC three programs at high school or a boot camp which we'll be rolling out as soon as we're able to meet in person again you'll have a leg up you'll have direct entry into our friendship programs where you'll have an osa ten certificate you'll have first aid CPR certifications you'll have a lot of knowledge that a lot of 1819 year olds don't have and you'll be able to get direct entry into plumbers and pipefitters or the electricians or the insulators it's a great program and Los Alamos National Labs they're in such desperate need for apprentices going forward they said shoot we'd love to partner do whatever we can let's grow this into something big so we have grown it and grown it and it looks like we may be in fifteen to twenty different schools this fall right now as we speak I've met with so many different school districts and principals and superintendents and the program continues to grow it's online it's easy for a teacher or an instructor to learn how to teach these courses they're laid out very well and it's going to be a game changer for a lot of us here in New Mexico we're going to be bringing in 18 19 year-olds with OSHA 10 with first aid CPR and with the knowledge that they normally wouldn't have so this is going to help us a lot as our demand for apprenticeship grows with the work with Facebook or at Amazon or at Intel or at the National Labs and cells we need more furnaces so with need came this program and it's something we're doing well something that local 4:12 is doing because our pressure program so big our community colleges in the state are wonderful we love them to death but what we've done is you're actually applying for accreditation right now and it's with the Council on occupational education so by this time next year we will be an accredited college we are partnering up with northern New Mexico University they are going to help us with educational aspect of it as far as the basic requirements that we plumbers and pipefitters and pipe welders we normally don't teach educational part as far as English or history or any of that stuff I mean some of my guys think they can but I would not like that I wouldn't be my best option so northern New Mexico is going to help us fill a gap that we're going to have so we will be an accredited college soon we're working on it as we speak it's it's super exciting it's something that I've been wanting to do since 2014 and been pushing hard to get it done going back to the veterans in our pressure programs we were just approved by DOL and Fort Bliss to start running this mc3 curriculum through Fort Bliss and use our curriculum on active military individuals so these an active military folks can run through our program they can learn all about it they can get their OSHA's they can get the basic necessities to join a trade and and then we'll have direct entry for these folks as well so not only the high school students but active military and veterans we're really pushing for them to get into a registered apprenticeship programs because it's best thing that could happen to a person I am I grew up here in New Mexico went to high school at Ceibal high school here in Albuquerque and went to college at New Mexico State and love State with a passion I love Las Cruces and I said you know what I'm going to get me a good job I'm never going to be a plumber and after about a year or two in an office and a suit and tie I hated it I went into the apprenticeship program as a first-year apprentice with a bachelor's degree and this thing I could have done I went in and 2001 as an apprentice I turned out in 2006 I won the welding contest I won the overall contest I became our training coordinator in 2014 and I became our business manager in 2016 so registered apprenticeship program was the best thing I could have done my brother went through it my dad went through it it's a it's a family tradition at this point it's it's it's just the best thing that a lot of folks could do if you want to stay in New Mexico and you want a good-paying career with several different retirement options I've got a pension and a 401 that are phenomenal our healthcare is phenomenal the the continued training that we put on is great so it's an excellent option when you get done with your apprenticeship program you have to zero student debt I know the folks who went to college and they come out with 50 60 70 thousand dollars in student debt and they're just starting out at you know step one in a career by the time our folks are done with five years of a Britisher program they're making more than most people with a bachelor's degree and they have zero student debt so excellent opportunity I applaud the governor and I applaud secretary my family for working so hard at growing this I appreciate the fact you guys have done everything you can and it's nice to see the oppression grow growing as well as it has in the state all the programs seem to be growing it's a nice place to be and thank you so much secretary McKinley appreciate it buddy Thank You Courtney I really appreciate it and and next in our presentation we have greatest showmen who is the vice president for apprenticeships at the Associated Builders and Contractors in New Mexico and Greta wants to talk about a little bit about their program and also specifically how they are making sure that their programs are moving forward and evolving in the kovat environment that we're in today so Greta thank you so much secretary McKinley and you know thank you all so Courtney you know outstanding news there on on what local 4:12 is doing so here at ABC we have seven trades we most recently in the capacity up Lou here's got craft labor and masonry but we also have the four-year trades of carpentry electrical sheetmetal plumbing and also HVAC so we have here in our facility a little over 200 apprentices that are trying to come out through and turn out as as talented and certified craftspeople when we had the situation of the kovat virus that hit us in in March or really became more widespread we had to take certain actions to make sure that we were going to safeguard our apprentices our instructors and our members and and our programs so the first thing of course we cooperated with the governor and the New Mexico public education department and we had to stop and seize face to face classroom training and then we had to quickly get together and set up and see where are we going to go what are we going to do to be able to continue to provide the education and since we are a state approved apprenticeship program we have requirements that we have to meet through our standards and also the regulations that are in the New Mexico Administrative Code as well so in that regard we had to make sure that we were meeting all of these various needs so in the first things we did was we looked at the doing classes be a zoom well what that entailed is we had to go through and do a survey of our apprentices and find out one did they do they have computers do they have internet access do they have the ability to actually take the the books that we have and we could download them as e-books onto their devices we also had to look into and create a set of rules so that making sure that they were following one is the correct kind of etiquette on there but the biggest thing was the safety so we did not have any kind of face-to-face contact going on but we implemented the zoom so involved getting the instructors trained and also finding out what the students needs were when we found out that some of the students did not have either access to internet or computer we immediately reached out to the Department of Workforce Solutions and fortunately because of the the grant that or for solutions received specifically for apprenticeship they had engaged more employees they're helping with apprenticeship and trying to find out you know what could be done what could we access in order to provide any kind of setup for the computers or the Internet access and thankfully we had the Workforce Solutions provided that kind of resource for us so in that regard we were able to either have this students borrow computers or rent computers and then also be able to gain internet access at a a very very reduced cost so that was extremely helpful the other thing that we did with our instructors is we set up the scheduled time so they could get zoom training as well and in fact as a further thing what Associated Builders and Contractors National is doing is they are setting up virtual training sessions for instructors there's six different at six classes per training period that actually assists the instructor in being able to do a greater better presentation of zoom because you know even here as we're sitting and talking you have to make sure you have the correct lighting that you're looking at the camera and not at yourself and all of the other different aspects and then plus you have the stress of teaching you're trying to convey all of the information that's going on so it was a little bumpy at the start I will tell you that a little rocky but we got through it and we have the staff here at the office that's on the back end of things so we can make sure that every zoom class is is going and running smoothly and the the students picked up right on it too so we had the the cooperation of everybody involved the members wanted to do this and so within just a few weeks we were able to get up and running again with the classes one of the other things that we've we've had to do because we do have to have classes not the classes but the tests actually physically proctored is we schedule specific times with a specific set of students coming in and a small group in order to take the proctoring we did all of the safety protocols with the masks the sanitation the social distancing making sure that all of the iPads that we used for testing were wiped down before and after and then we had everyone rolling through nobody was allowed into the building until the other set of students left and so that way we were able to coordinate and get everybody through the testing part of the program as well so that worked out very successfully and now we do have a small group that's meeting as well with the core curriculum so again the same thing we have the all to social distance spacing saying spacing with desks the chairs the instructors the the students so we only have a small group and then we sanitize everything as we as we go through so I have to say you know going through all of this I think this is the cleanest building we've had in a long time and it really makes a huge difference in having to do that so that's one of the upsides I would say of going through this pandemic is that you really get to understand what it means to have something clean and sanitized moving forward what we're looking at seriously now because we were still in phase one we may enter phase two but honestly I think that we have zoom is here to stay with with the classes and online teaching is going to be here to stay and that's why we need to move to a more flexible platform in order to be able to instruct the students have them have the quality teaching that they need and then also be able to work with our contractors as well to make sure that they're getting the on-the-job training that they need and the hands-on so it's it's worked so far we're moving forward with that in our in our plans for the for the future in the fall and I think it's really just made us coming together as a better program and it really kudos to secretary macam lean to workforce solutions I have to say that the the staff there is outstanding you really feel supported as an apprenticeship program as you're trying to navigate the different requirements that you need and to be able to have a fantastic department as a resource is is a huge difference we've in fact we've had reports from some of our apprenticeship coordinators in in other programs that have said they've gone to other states and try to get things set up and the government officials are very very difficult to deal with so here it's wonderful to have the support of the state that wants to move forward with something that is as important and necessary to the economy as apprenticeship thank you so much secretary family thank you so much good and we really appreciate y'all working with us on that computer issue that's one of the specific examples of how we're using this money to get both the staffing and the equipment we need to keep your people in the program so that they feel like they're supported and can work it through and that's going to help us with our goal of getting to 2,200 registered apprentices by the end of a couple summers from now we're actually at I think it's eighteen hundred and five apprentices right now which is the highest we've been in the state of New Mexico in the last eight years so making sure we retain folks is important as is our next topic so our next person up to speak is Cheryl gildner she's the director of human resources at affordable solar and it's really really important that as we engage in these career pathways we talk with the employers and really figure out what their skill sets are and work with them to develop the programs so that when people come in they get the skills necessary they have the right introduction so they can contribute to the growth of New Mexico company so Cheryl we're really excited to have you and we were wondering if you could kind of talk a little bit for a few minutes on why you're engaging in this program for the first time and where you think it's going to lead you you there you go sorry thank you everybody and thank you secretary McKinley appreciate everyone giving us this opportunity today to allow me to talk Braham affordable solar is entering into a new era in terms of having our apprenticeship program we understand that as technology advances in renewable energy we need to advance as well our employees have a need for greater skills as you had mentioned earlier secretary McKinley that you just don't walk off the street and enter into a program such as the solar industry or you know any of
the other renewable energy sources so with this in mind we're excited to announce that we are have developed New Mexico's first private-sector solar technician apprenticeship program we will be presenting our program later this year in August to the board and I really appreciate all the work that workforce has done with us working side-by-side to help us maintain and develop our program and keep it on track so that we can present it now in in August establishing the program in our opinion is a way of saying that we're investing in the future the future of our organization our industry our communities for investing in our employees and making sure that they have long-term employment opportunities moving forward in 2018 utility-scale solar PV facilities those with capability greater than 1 megawatt produce or provided about 4 percent of New Mexico's generation affordable solar apprenticeship program we hope will help us enable us to provide energy to New Mexico to meet the goals of 2030 which is 50 percent renewable energy so as we move forward not only are we providing jobs for the local communities but we're also helping our environment producing greater efficiencies in renewable energy and providing skills for the future of our state so we're really excited about that opportunity and look forward to working with individuals from all walks of life I know you had mentioned secretary McKinley about having females in the workforce we're in a construction environment we are certainly encouraging females and we do have females in our in our workforce working out in the fields whether it's in a residential project or whether it's a large utility scale project and as we continue to move forward we are going to need greater employees we anticipate based on projects that we're forecasting to potentially have approximately 80 new apprentices so this is great opportunity for growth of the organization as well as great opportunities for individuals to learn a skills trade through a state apprenticeship program we are creating a stable workforce we are encouraging in rewarding our employees by having this great retention opportunity and they're going to be learning a skill and they're also going to be learning about safety in a construction type of environment I know Courtney had mentioned earlier with the OSHA training and the first-aid training and thinks that nature these are all part of our apprenticeship program as well and these are things that will go throughout the individuals life and career regardless of where they go we are also providing career paths for these individuals that will in the future they could go on to become journeyman electricians as an example or advance within a solar technician to become a solar helper electrical helper so there are different career paths that they could take once they've completed their two-year apprenticeship program they will be a state-certified program and it will be a state-certified program excuse me and they will have a certified solar technician certificate so we're excited about this opportunity we're really excited to start the program and get you know individuals excited about renewable energy and how we can bring that to New Mexico and continue to grow in advance to meet the needs of New Mexicans throughout the state thank you so much Sheryl we really are free to come in here with us and just want to let you know as Cortney pointed out there's gonna be all sorts of new opportunities as Greta pointed out it's gonna be in an environment where you can learn and earn in a safe situation here in a Cova type environment and moving forward and it's Sheryl pointed out there's gonna be a lot of new opportunities like in the solar installation field which is critical to the economic growth of New Mexico so we really appreciate all three of you coming and joining us in this presentation I want to say thank you to all the apprenticeship staff at Workforce Solutions a couple of you mentioned they're doing a great job I agree very very proud to be working with them through this process and Stacey do we are we in a position where we might have any questions for either myself or our three other presenters sure actually we don't have any questions at this time but if anybody would like to ask one just go ahead and type it into the Q&A you see at the bottom of your screen secretary would you like to mention that website one more time while we wait to see if you have any question I would so basically if you can go to DWS dot state dot m dot u.s. backslash apprenticeship you can look at the new website that we got up that will allow you to look at all the different apprenticeship options in the state most of those as of now are in the building trades so electricians and plumbers and bricklayers and masonry that sort of thing we do have CNM has an apprenticeship program in the IT industry and as I pointed out earlier we're working really hard to expand our apprenticeships to new areas like solar installers and early at education so we expect as we move forward for that list just to grow and expand and give people more options to make a decent living while they learn their trade and have a great career as Cortney pointed out moving forward Thank You secretary it looks like we don't have any questions at this time okay well once again I would really like to thank you all for taking the time to watch this I would really like to thank our three co-presenters on this Courtney from the Building Trades Greta from Associated Builders and Contractors and Cheryl from affordable solar we look forward to working with all of you moving forward and making this state a better place to be into the 21st century so everybody be safe out there and this holiday weekend and thank you all again for joining us today thank you Bell thank you
