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hi this a new party and welcome to another episode of TF our newsroom today we have with us till my party you are CEO and founder of crust tell us a bit about why you created crust what was the problem that you saw in the community or the market then you wanted a song we've talked a lot in Europe recently about digital sovereignty and then when we add to that the fact that we look at the different open-source vendors that are out there and there are there are a lot of intellectual property games going on there are a lot of open core games are a lot of dual licensing games and realistically you know we said we want to play a completely clean game here 100% clean 100% open literally all of the way just the first part of it second part of it was to take a look at a particular market in there and in our case it was the enterprise CRM market and enterprises being large-scale enterprise and saying okay what's missing there does the technology that exists scaled properly does it I does it does it address the issues of identity communication business logic in a harmonious way and it does it all come together in a package that enterprises will actually want to consume so we went out of our way to create what we call the open source Salesforce alternatives first of all what is the story we had a name cross because then I would also jump into all the services and product that you actually offer there yeah I get asked that question quite a lot so crust is written in golang it just mentioned that originally when I was looking at designing the entire platform I was looking at the rust language and we then talked about the planet and we came back rust as in planet crust likewise Cortez oh by the way is the Spanish crust so now let's talk about the the kind of service or product portfolio so I do you offer services or do you offer product that people can on the other server I just want to understand the whole catalog that you have there we are a completely open-source downloadable platform what our business model works in two ways one is providing support and maintenance on that platform because it is big and it is complex and the second part of that is providing consultancy services to businesses who wish us to let's say configure a write business logic on that platform and from time to time even write extra features so there is no SAS offering as such either is consultancy or people can the product on their own servers but as we often see that in officers wrote a lot of companies they take an open-source project and they start bundling it as a service so are there any partners of pairs that you work with because not everybody is capable of you know having in-house capabilities to run everything we're certainly under certain Lea under you know in some discussions with respect to having partners that will actually provide this as a proper hosted service we have the approach that that needs to be a critical mass before we actually go to market with it there's no point in having a completely federated service if there's only one or two people in major hosters hosting it so we need to actually make sure that that infrastructure itself once again replicates what the EU needs rather than you know holster here holster there etc which I believe there already are but you know not under the influence of any part of our program we have right now so who is usually right now can you talk about if you cannot name just can't name industries or who is using it sure so um we kind of come to a very lucky place I suppose where there is no particular industry profile or business profile using us we are spread across all industries and be in government be it nonprofit be it for-profit be it finance be it services etc so we've gone very lucky with that and it's a good sign for us as I suppose you know a Salesforce alternative and that we're able to have the presence in these different markets and in terms of scale we've recently signed a project that takes us up above 100 users on a single boat on a single platform so we're kind of getting into that scale as well which is Riku [Applause]