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[Music] [Applause] [Music] aloha everyone today is wednesday afternoon and you know what time that is it's hawaii the state of uh the state of clean energy time and i met you and your host and i'm very pleased to have cameron black from the hawaii state energy office as my guest today hello cameron welcome on board and uh cameron's gonna tell us all about the uh energy uh the renewable energy projects um a directory that he manages and how it works and uh what what you can use that for in its value so welcome aboard uh cameron so first of all tell us a little bit about uh the hawaii state energy office yeah we'll do mitch uh thanks for having me and thanks to everybody who's listening from wherever you are uh real briefly before i do jump to the energy office i just wanted to touch on the directory if the slide is up the main slide um we managed as mitch said the hawaii renewable energy projects directory which showcases all of the existing and proposed renewable energy and innovative projects going on in hawaii the directory serves to demonstrate our progress towards our renewable energy and carbon-free goals and it also serves the important function of notifying communities and regulators and other stakeholders of projects that are being proposed in their areas of interest and it's one of the few interactive online maps of all the renewable energy and energy innovation projects in hawaii so we pride ourselves on maintaining this directory and making it available to the public my last slide before i get into or last point before i get into the energy office is we're in the process now of overhauling our entire website which is a good segue to the energy office to make it more user-friendly and accessible and one of the things we're looking at is redeveloping the directory as well as you can see from this slide our office was originally established in 1976 at that time we were a division of the department of business economic development and tourism some of you out there are familiar with our office and have worked with our office for a long time we were established by statute last year act 122 made the hawaii state energy office an attached agency to d-bed and it gave us new specific duties it also created the position of the chief energy officer which is scott glenn right now our first inaugural inaugural chief energy officer and as you can see we have the mission that stated on the slide we're committed to promoting the energy efficiency renewable energy clean transportation to achieve a resilient clean energy decarbonized economy that kind of says it in a nutshell we have five areas of focus mitch feel free to jump in here if you have any questions or points you'd like to make you're doing great so far they're all circled around collaborating and they're not broken up right now because they're all related to one another and that's the point with the globe there is that they're all interactive to each other starting with efficiency efficiency first is what we like to say so we have a staff that's dedicated for energy efficiency from policy to building codes green businesses all kinds of stuff we also have analysis and planning i i do have a question well we're on efficiency um how does uh hawaii energy fit into that do they come under you or they come under another agency how do you coordinate with them because they they have money to do actual energy efficiency projects like light bulb changes and refrigerators and things like that how does that work how does that fit in they fit in under the hawaii public utilities commission okay and they're funded as you know and i don't know if all of our viewers know through our monthly energy bills all of us pay a small charge that goes towards hawaii energy that allows them well it goes towards the public benefits fee which is administered currently by hawaii energy under the puc and they use that money to issue rebates for like you said energy efficient lighting or if you buy a refrigerator that's energy efficient and you get money back from the state that money comes from a little fee we've all paid over the years on our power bills so we do work with hawaii energy quite a bit but they're administered by the public utilities commission so when you say you work with them does that mean you guys have meetings and look at you know uh low-hanging fruit what what kind of programs targeting does that work is that what you mean by uh working with them well i think we cross paths on a lot of things um that we do um their their goals are aligned with ours on a lot of things so whether it's policy um you know possibly even building codes uh energy energy efficient um measures initiatives right um we so we talk with them uh uh pretty regularly you know they're they're pretty well known in hawaii they're not the hawaii state energy office they're not themselves a government agency right so they're a little bit uh unique but they do a lot of things for the state and for all of us and the beauty of that program is that a lot of people can take advantage of those rebates exactly yeah it's a really great program and they're actually doing a really good job on it so i need to bring them on my show one week and let them have a chance to tell us all what they what they actually what projects we're doing these days but anyway go ahead and go around the globe here all right uh keeping the tour going uh we've also got energy resiliency and assurance and that's something we talked about before the show mitch is one of the really important functions of our office is to serve as the state lead for emergency support functions for the energy and fuel sector which means when a fewer energy shortage is imminent or happening whether it's caused by economics or a hurricane or other natural disasters our office works closely with all of the private sector energy and fuel stakeholders and the government agencies federal state and county who are involved in disaster relief and that means we coordinate a lot with the energy and fuel providers checking statuses on fuel and power outages and we serve as somewhat of a liaison between the private sector and the government agencies in charge of the emergency response sorry i cut my mic off because i'm on the flight path the marine corps base and i have c-17s flying in every now and then so um so i have a question about uh the resilience program um do you guys do what ifs or scenario analysis like and looking for the gaps i'll i'll give you an example not an energy but you know i just read this article about lanai being hit finally being hit by the covet virus and they had no plans no ventilators no nothing it's like hello guys i mean we've only been doing this for eight months and how could you not think of a plan b so is that something that you guys do in the energy office are you you do these kinds of scenario analyses um to come up with the plan b or the plan c if we get whacked by a hurricane i mean i know it's not just you you've got civil defense and everything else like that but is that part of your thought processes and things that you you guys do oh definitely the hawaii emergency management agency agencies the lead state agency the working uh closely with the the national guard and the rest of the state agencies that play an important role in the disaster response and every year there's a hurricane exercise course as an example this year there was focus on port restoration what happens if a big storm comes through the ports are inundated with debris what are the scenarios and plans and how can we be prepared for that so that's an example of preparing for scenarios i think kovid caught a lot of us you know without maybe uh by surprise as far as response or what the impacts to kobe would be so that's i think a little bit unique i think infectious diseases have been part of emergency planning for a long time um of course each disease is unique and this is i guess a pandemic so that's a little different but most definitely we do try and plan ahead and a big part of that is is identifying the information that will be needed in a response how do we know what infrastructure is where where are critical assets who manages them and then how do we get a hold of those people when we need to okay um we also have a clean transportation focus as well um so that is something we're looking at electrification and other technologies hydrogen for example that you and i have spoken about uh i think is is also in the mix of alternative uh fossil free um and then last but not least what i'll talk about my branch is the renewable energy sector which we do a lot of planning analysis well that's also another area project support policy something okay uh next slide please so what i'm here to talk about today is the hawaii renewable energy projects directory and something that i kind of gleaned over is that our state goals are to become 100 renewable energy powered from the electricity sector and carbon free carbon negative by 2045 so we're not only looking at being 100 powered electricity wise from renewable energy but we're also looking at eliminating carbon use altogether which includes transportation which is a little bit of a harder nut to crap i would say to become carbon free right so under that auspices of reaching 100 renewable energy one of the things that we noticed under a previous administration was how do we track our progress how do we know what projects are going on that are going to get us to that goal and how can we showcase to the outside world that hawaii is a place that is really taking big strides to reach that goal and becoming an innovator and a test fed for some of these technologies so we devised the hawaii renewable energy projects directory and as i stated in the beginning this project this directory lists many but not all of the existing and proposed renewable energy projects in hawaii we don't have all the projects in the state of hawaii listed on this directory that would be hard there's a lot of medium-sized rooftop pv installations that we just don't have the bandwidth or information on to put on this directory so we've made some decisions on what projects we will list and right now we have a certain cutoff of about 500 kilowatts for some of these larger pv unless the project demonstrates itself as some sort of innovative or public use project for example pv for a wastewater treatment plan i think this example the wave energy test buoy off kaneohe bay where you're at is another example where it's not producing a lot of renewable energy but we still like to showcase that project so there's a lot of projects in the directory that are like that the projects are all here based on public information only so we're regularly mining or becoming aware of these projects through media outlets government filings company filings company notification so we're like everybody else in that sense we don't use inside information to put these projects on here we want to make this based on public information only and why why is that what's what's the thinking behind that well i think one of the big reasons is we don't want to be put in a position of using information that we may have come across that's privileged or confidential that's not our position or our job to be providing that kind of information necessarily and i think it also shows that if you have the time and energy and it's your job like it's it's ours you can find a lot of information on these projects of course not too many people in the state are getting paid to track these projects but there is a lot of information out there if if you know where to look and what the director tries to do is identify some of these sources at least the puc docket is a good source for example i would think that you have to be really careful about insider trading because a lot of the larger projects are done by publicly traded companies and if you're kind of opening your kimono and talking about their stuff that isn't public then i i can see where that could be a major problem uh you know the state would get hammered for doing something so i got it yeah there's a lot of competition um you have one off taker for some of these large projects that's either hawaiian electric or kiuc on kuwait you also have limited space um you also have limited resources as far as the construction equipment or maybe even the workforce or the expertise that you need here so there is quite a bit of competition amongst the developers but there's also i think a lot of common common goals that that they share and commonalities uh with each other so it's a good point so the directory the previous slide showed the link where you can go to the directory and at the end of this presentation it'll show a link to our home page which you can access the directory at and like i said in the beginning part of our goal is to rebuild our website to make it more user-friendly the directory is one of the things you can find on our homepage pretty easily because it is one of the more regularly visited websites but once you get there you can search for projects either by island technology if there's you want to look up all the wind farms or all the wind projects in hawaii or all the solar projects in hawaii or all the solar projects on kauai you can do that and you can also search by map so if you saw a project driving over h1 over by mililani and you're curious to know more about it you can look on our map you can try to find that project you can click on it and hopefully that will give you information on that project or you heard there's a project being built on that piece of land down the road and you want to learn more about it uh hopefully our directory would provide that that information so it's also good for local communities as well i think we're talking about that before we started the show so local communities can you know so it's not a surprise all of a sudden wow what's that why wasn't i informed you know yeah that's our intention and that's that's been an issue is communities are finding out about these projects too late in the game uh to where they feel they can make an impact to actually change or or impact the project so as soon as we learn about the project or get a public source of information on the project we try to put it on our directory immediately and one of the other websites i'll show at the end of this is we've also added an area for the more recent projects about opportunities for public input or to learn more about the project because again i we fully appreciate that not everybody knows where our website is not everybody knows how to track these projects most people don't but you know again i get paid to do this partially and you know we have to look for this information ourselves too so we want to make it as user friendly and accessible as we possibly can right users can also download an excel of these projects either the entire list of 115 on there now or by their searchable category so that's another feature you get a nice little excel on the next slide you can see what happens when you click on one of the project icons it pulls up information on that individual project with the caveat that we only have the information we have a lot of these projects don't have a puc docket or we don't know the tax map key or the parcel where they're located at or maybe even in some cases we don't even know the exact location for possibly some of these smaller solar farms so that's some an area that we'd like to improve upon is is gathering the data and making that data available but we publish all the information that we have that's public so if i have a project that i want to uh have up on the site because i want to you know provide some visibility to it so what's the process just contact you and the energy office and if i meet your criteria you'll put a a very nice article about my hygiene project for example on that we will look at it put it we'll look at it for sure we'll uh put it well right now hydrogen one of the things we'd like to change is that we're set in the technologies um this is an application the directory but we're looking to convert it to a different platform where we have the power to add technologies hydrogen would be a great one so yes the the station behind yo for example is something that we can add in the next iteration um we love the platform that it's at now it's at the application that's really easy to use however we don't have full control over the programming aspect we can't add um energy storage standalone energy storage technologies right now without paying our contractor to to do that so to answer your question yeah i think when we make the transition hopefully in the next couple months that is something that that we can do you can send me information on a project we'll look at it make sure it meets the criteria and then we can put it on there we've we've also been contacted by members of the public saying hey those windmills are not where you said they were can you please move them to where they actually are or this project is not accurately described maybe the developer will say you know we appreciate you putting our project on here but you're not describing it correctly so we are very open to all corrections because there's a lot of projects on here and we don't always have all the information on all the projects so a brilliant thought is a lot of these project developers could come on think tech hawaii and uh be interviewed like you are and then they get a link to a youtube article which they could you guys could put a link inside their descript project description to get like a an actual video of the whole thing correct yeah well what we want to do is at least in that project details page put a hyperlink to that developer's website or to whatever website you can get more information on that project if it's a think tech interview that's that's good whatever it is i think that's in the next iteration an improvement that we would like to do so that's a great suggestion right okay and that's also a good segue to the last well slide number six which is almost our last slide second to the last or third to the last slide we do want to make changes um to the directory and like i said one of those things is moving over to a gis based platform and that will enable us yes just explain because for the general public what what's what's what is gfis yeah i need to explain it in my mind to myself first before i can explain to everybody else but it uh geographic information systems where the projects i suppose in a way are located you know by location and when you click on then you get a lot of information on that individual point or project in this case so we're this is an example that's in the slide of a mock-up that we'd like to that it might may look like um the first slide have these big blobs on them and this one has like nice little discreet um dots and they're color coded and i think it's so this is a much this looks like a much cleaner interface to me well i appreciate that um one thing that we do want to make sure it is is easy to use you know we'd like a grade schooler who's doing a report on energy projects to be able to come to our website and learn about the projects and sometimes that means they need to have you know bigger buttons so and you know great great schoolers are just as smart as as we are these days so they don't always need bigger buttons but we want to make it as user friendly as possible so in our transition that's definitely something that we are making a priority too but the beauty of transitioning to gis is you can have so many more data fields added you can identify how much greenhouse gas is being reduced by a project how many homes are being powered how much that's moving our renewable energy goal so there's a lot of advantages to moving to a more database tool system that's layered right layers as i understand it yeah yeah and we can add layers to it and we can make this layer as part of our hawaii statewide gis program library which is a great library of gis maps if you haven't already checked it out office of planning does a great job with that the second to the last slide i know we're getting towards the end is some of the other tools that we've put out there and i'll make this quick that's okay we're good we have uh renewable energy energies which provides information on uh individual parcels you can go on there which is a gis based like we just talked about you can go click on a parcel you can click on your own parcel it'll tell you a lot of information on that parcel we've also got a permitting wizard which helps identify the federal state and county permits that could be required for your project and finally we have this stage 2 project website which is new these stage 2 projects are the last round of large solar plus storage projects and standalone battery projects being pursued by hawaiian electric across oahu maui and hawaii island right and that's the website where we attempt to provide information where the public can provide input or learn more about the projects okay and when when do we expect to have this up and running i mean website development usually takes a lot a very long time i found so when you think this is going to be ready to go or do you not want to commit yourself well the three websites that we just showed are accessible now as is the directory as is the the next iteration of the directory we're optimistic will be up and running in a couple months okay but until then we do have the existing directory that we tried to keep up to date i was updating it as recently as this week again we welcome any updates or errors omissions that users notice right the last slide provides my email and cell phone number as well as the email address to our main office and the our home page at the hawaii state energy office okay so this is a great time if if you think the directory needs something please contact us or if nika needs to do something please uh let us know and we'll work we'll see if we can work it in there does it have key map information i mean i know you said that the gi that this hooks into the state gis i always find it kind of complicated to use that so yeah it does have the tax map key information and some of these projects are located on multiple tax map keys or parcels and what we want to do in the next iteration is to be able to identify all of those parcels in in the current directory we can only list one or two direct parcels because of the character limitation but in the next iteration we'd love to list all the properties where projects located so what about links to environmental assessments and uh eis uh studies because that's also another i mean particularly for communities you know if i'm you know not that familiar with all of this stuff but all of a sudden i'm concerned about something going in near my home or my property um are you gonna have links to environmental assessments and eis studies so that it makes it easy for the you know for the uh community to find out what's what's being done you don't have to hire a lawyer to do it you can just figure it out yourself i like that idea i think yeah i'm optimistic we can put in multiple links maybe you can access the puc docket and the environmental assessment and the company website i i i'm gonna write that down yeah look into that i like your idea of linking into the puc because for many people the puc is like totally a mystery place you know i mean there's certain people that really understand it well and uh they do a good job on it uh using it exploiting it uh in in a good way i don't mean exploiting it in a negative way um but yeah for i mean once again i mean if you have an informed uh community uh i would think it would make it easier to get some of these larger projects then you mean you're not trying to hide anything i mean i think the big mistake lots of developers make is trying to hide stuff and then eventually it's going to come out and then it's just a big flap and then that that delays it and it costs you money time is money is is the deal so okay so let's just throw up that final contact slide for cam and uh seeing how you're working at home uh you might want to add the uh your cell phone number i don't know if you might want to do that but uh that that is my work cell phone there okay great great email and i i completely agree with your last point too about early notice is best yes yeah exactly saves a lot so anyway talking about early notice we've actually run through 30 minutes cam so we're good so i'm going to wind it up now i just first of all like to thank you very much you're doing a this is a great service to the community and so well done to the hawaii state energy office and to yourself i really like what you're doing and and then the path forward of how you're you're moving forward so thank you so much and uh this is mitch ewan from hawaii the state event clean energy and i'll see you next wednesday so aloha [Applause] you