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welcome professor i am so one more speaker i think professor doctor krishna can you put on your camera yeah yes sir thanks sir thanks for joining to access mantasar is also joining in between so we are already on the live right now so i request all the panelists to put on your camera so that everybody will on this same screen yeah problem is there might be some issues so that's why you know we just draw so are going to be joining we will start the session and dr singh anand will moderate this session and decision will be for one hour and it will be of the discussion on the basic future trends and the technologies expecting the higher education and the best practice scenarios that to be attended in the higher education for the learning based outcomes so with respect doctor can we start this session ss manta can so i welcome all the audience from the pan indiana from the foreign countries also to the 18th world education summit 2021 we are live on the 3rd of march and our first panel discussion on the day 1 that is reimagining indian higher education scope of automation and opportunities is one of the most important topic right now in the higher education space as we are living in the world of technologies and the new era of the digitization so we have the esteemed panelists from the higher education so i would like to welcome doctor subject singh welcome dr sabji singh welcome to the 18th education summit and he will moderate this season and i would like to welcome dr a.m ravani director national institute of technology ride pool welcome ravana sir welcome to the 18th world education summit looking forward for your welcome deliberations to this higher education conclude and i would like to welcome professor dr sri krishna muman professor short span of time and he is the former chairman the ict and chancellor kl university so i will hand over this session to doctor sergey sir to take the session and moderate this session and we are looking forward for the wonderful deliberation from the each panelist and i request that this are to given the equal opportunities in terms of the time and to share their deliberations and their best practices across the higher education over to you of course thank you abhishek and um thank you for this opportunity uh to interact with these very esteemed uh panelists here um you know when i think about higher education and what's happening in it right now uh especially given 19. i see that covet 19 has done to education what demonetization did to money in that you know it's forcing all the transactions to happen online and a lot of data is being collected at the same time if we actually think about the new education policy of the government i kind of see a lot of parallels with blockchain technology and other emerging technology in that just as blockchain is impacting financial institutions by taking over that central control that banks have had on money i think the new education policy in some ways has taken away the control that we had on students throughout their degree program and giving that flexibility to students to actually uh take ownership of their own learning so in many ways you know we have we are seeing a very disruptive time i think in education and you know of course today we are focusing on two other disruptive technologies uh namely uh you know uh rpa and artificial intelligence and how it has an impact or could have an impact on higher education so the first question i'd like to pose um to uh dr krishna mohan is how do you see rpa and ai making an impact in higher education you know from your experience yeah thank you uh professor so uh yeah it's like you know there's tremendous impact on the education sector if i have to say in one word one sentence okay so um because of the changes that is happening okay especially when you talk about transformation of classes okay or the uh you know curriculum designing or you take you know in terms of the grading for a betterment or automation point of view and easy implementation of some administrative tasks and also like how we can predict these students performance okay and based on their behavioral changes and so on and and also there are some gaps okay in uh teaching techniques okay which with which you can really you know fill the gap using this uh you know ai and also the experimental learning for students through you know virtual reality and games and so on and also the important thing is the collaborative learning okay for multiple students typical classrooms uh you can see that the typical classrooms okay so you know like the traditional classroom is that a teacher is there and you know students you know sit and then one way generally once in a while some interaction can happen but you know collaborative learning is something you know which students i'm sure they would enjoy okay that's where and with which i mean using uh i mean in collaborative learning classrooms also like the the concept of smart classrooms and so on okay using the iot you know or you know any kind of technology okay so we can really transform the education okay you know in terms of you know the uh you know the whole thing actually okay so slowly like the you know personalization of education which is very important okay and because of the you know uh heavy work on the teachers and other things okay so these things you know can be you know taken over by the ai and then it will help okay to you know in doing better okay so uh i mean uh if you have to i mean uh overall these are my important uh points okay on various things okay uh which where ai can make the you know future better okay so basically like uh i mean that whole things are going to change that teacher is going to be the facilitator okay in the future okay where with the aid of you know ai technology thank you thank you and professor ravani if uh you could add to that in your view you know how the impacts of automation is having on on education within your institution for example even given some examples thank you very much all i would like to thank the word education summit for giving me the opportunity to be the part of this learned professors in this panel and as far as the use of technology is concerned as rightly pointed out by a professor saying that we are very used to nowadays of using the technology in all kind of transactions when we are buying something from the you can say market and all so many things are going on that we are making the payment and all but if i see the use of technology in education sector that is not also a very old very new concept since the last one decade i probably if i believe we are using the technology now the question comes of using ai particularly in a new technologies in education sector let me divide the education system higher education system or any education system i can divide it in you can say three parts as any system has three portion of any system first is the input second is the process and third is the output when i say input means in case of the education system the potential students are there they look for the institute advertisement appear they search for the strength of this issue they apply for the admission process certain examination entrance examination may be there and then the students join the particular institute that is they become the part of the institute that is the input process in the education system then the process part the process part the teaching is there may be theoretical theory lectures are there practicals are there then the teaching is there then the you can say the evaluation part is done the degree is awarded and the placement of the student if possible that is uh done with the help of the you can say the institute where the student has taken admission and in addition to that one more part is there is the whole governance or administration of the institute for handling all this you can say curriculum activities and handling the students in the institute and all so if all these three aspects input process and output part if we see the technology is helping us a great if i talk about the input part where the you can say admission of the student is concerned whose registration is there whether it is a short listing of these students are concerned enrollment of the students is concerned the technology is helping us a lot and many of the institutes in india even they are using the technology in this they already started using this the eligibility criteria of the students whether they are eligible for a particular program or not that is also checked using this and when they attend the classes their attendance management taking of the attendance that can be used using the technologies as far as the administration of the institute is concerned whether it is a human resource management is there progress on the payroll is concerned decision making is there and all that again the technology plays a wider role nowadays the using erp in education institute is gradually becoming very popular but as far as the you can say the uh process part is concerned where imparting of the education is concerned we are little lagging in that part we are not very used to that uh some of the people those who are who don't belong to the education institute may say that the educational institutes are very lethargic they are not used to you can say adopting the technology because all other sectors whether it's a banking whether it is railway whether any other you can say shopping platform all they have adopted the technology to the greater extent but the educational institutes are not adopting with that speed i i disagree with that the execution institutes are lethargic you can say adopting the technology we will come to that later on but let me first focus that how the ai can help the education student what are the you can say the potential areas the technology has revolutionized the you can say the method of teaching learning now the students not only learn what they want to learn but they can learn by the method how they want to learn so it's not the content but is the methodology of giving the knowledge is important knowledge is available everywhere now we have a lot of many sources available on the internet is very easily available to the students so in fact the students simply for the sake of getting that particular bookish knowledge they don't they are not interested to attend the classes they want to develop their skill in that so knowledge and skill these two parts are there so knowledge is everywhere the problem is of providing the necessary skill to the students using these technologies traditional method of imparting knowledge is transformed nowadays simulation and argumentative reality all that has these tools are available which can be utilized ai based question boards can be there there now the students are more demanding they want their theory should be responded immediately and for that the technology can be best utilized question boards may be there one more aspect is there is the personalized learning in every aspect whether you are buying some product on the internet using certain websites when you search for certain things definitely the pop-ups starts coming up where they they will give you various hints based on advertisements come there those are things which are very much personalized we are always now focusing on the customized things and personalized things the same is true in case of the education also in education sector we have to think of providing the personalized education to the students considering they are you can say the pace of learning as far as their pace of learning is concerned uh little care has been taken where in case of the because the choice based credit system where we say that the the fast learner can take up more credits and slow learner can take the less number of credits as per their choice and all these are there but we are not using very much the technology in that part now the day is there where we should think of using the technology we should trade the learning path of the students and based on that we can provide the personalized learning to all that virtual classroom concept is not a very new we all know that very very various platforms are there and because of the kovit 19 all that has become nowadays in practice but virtual classroom now the question comes of the virtual teacher as well this is a matter of debate we have to think about that we talk about the media for instruction many times we say that the media form instruction is english and or any other language i say that the future is where we should say that the medium of instruction is technology we should give we should deliver using technology so why not the medium of instruction is stuck in bhaji thank you very interesting thoughts uh professor rohani um and i think uh you know both of you touched upon a number of uh things that i think in in physical spaces are more difficult right to implement uh things like um uh you know the peer-to-peer assessment systems that we could introduce because technology is there and i personally feel that students learn a lot more when they teach right in fact i i would say for myself when i started teaching i actually started learning concepts that i thought i knew and you know through technology if we can get students to be uh helping each other like you said collaborative learning environments whether question boards and uh you know i think uh dr krishna muhammad also mentioned the fact that the changing role of the the teacher where they become more like mentors rather than you know the source of all knowledge um now obviously with all of these technologies coming in flipped classrooms becoming part of our general routine now uh because of um you know in some cases even connectivity issues that students had we've had a very different environment for the last year right and i think some institutions have struggled more than others to keep their students engaged during this time period do you think we are going to lose all of this once students come back into you know the environment that we are used to the campus environment or are there things that we can continue to do that we have learned over this last year that technology will help us in achieving professor awani would you like to start with that yeah so uh actually during the past one year the experience as far as the kovid is concerned was not a very good experience but as far as the technology adoption is concerned is what a good experience rather i should say that it is an opportunity so all of us have tried to encase that opportunity we have learned a lot teachers have learned how to deliver the lecture on such you can say the platforms students have also learned how how they can understand the things on this media but there are certain things with the students are missing what we are getting the feedbacks from the students that they are missing their peers they are missing the feedback from the peers what they learn when they are physically present in an educational institutes that they are missing the learning any educational institute is not merely the classroom teaching there are many more things are there we we say that the co-curricular activities extracurricular activities these are all missing so students per se they are learning as far as the subject knowledge is concerned rather i should say whether they are learning or not that is still questionable they are getting knowledge that's true right so the another part is that the co-curricular and extracurricular activities all are missing so students always are getting various feedback from the students they are they are very curious when these institute will be open and they want to come back to the institute in the physical mode and attend the classes physically as they used to do earlier but yes because of the current situation that is not visible to a greater extent you can say we may have to go for the blended kind of learning where some of the parts of the syllabus can be covered in online mode as we used to do and some of the part may be covered in you can say offline mode as the student's wish but again there is a great part of the whole process first is the lecture delivery learning part another pa t in that is the experimental part particularly when we talk about the technical education institute like ours engineering institute science engineering institutes though uh virtual labs are there that is in you can say a lot of efforts have been put in by the ministry and virtual labs are existing there but the students don't get much feel of that and the connectivity network access all these are these are the problems which is which we have because the students are from the remote places they don't have the continuous availability of the internet access and all one more part which is the last part of the whole this scenario is the assessment part assessment again proctoring of the students during the examination in online mode is again a difficult task though we are using various modes of assessment is saying that is a continuous assessment so only examination is not one part of the assessment we are giving them an idea report various projects with term projects we are taking the verbal voice examination also so that we can check and assess the student to what extent they have understood these subjects and the you can say the whole assessment is done based on that but that kind of flavor we don't have as we were having in case of the offline mode so the uh when the situation becomes normal i think probably they would like to come back to the institute but is my personal view that now whatever we have learned during the last one year we should now become conversant with this technology and try to utilize the technology because that is the need of the event because nobody should blame as i said in the beginning as well that the education institutes are not adopting to the technology we are ready provided all stakeholders change their concept right very good point and i think that's a very important uh point that you just made that uh you know uh like i i compared uh covet for education with demonetization for money uh you know after the effects of demonetization everybody went back to their old ways of using cash and you know there was the peak and then reduction i hope that education institutions will not go the same route and we will hopefully use a lot of the learning that we have from this period so thank you for that uh dr uh mantha professor uh welcome um to the panel uh we had just been talking about um you know how uh rpa and artificial intelligence in particular can impact the education system and i would love to get your views on this as well especially how your institution is using these technologies yeah good morning i am audible i believe yes you are yes yes yeah thank you uh unfortunately there has been uh some power failure around this place so that's that's the reason i it's been a little delayed in joining the show now as far as the as far as the ai and automation and so on are concerned and there's absolutely a uh very uh big role uh for automation uh you know i mean the previous speaker was speaking about the conduct of examinations and the initiatives in within education to reach education online and things like that but i believe automation has a big role to play whether it's the software industry you have business process automation you have industrial automation your control and automation and of course you also have robotic process automation which which is a subject of very great interest in the com in the current times now as far as ai automation and robotics will bring about major changes in markets however there are several specific skills that are required in uh you know making this happen now uh for example in the area of software testing automation can be implemented to save cost and time and most of the time it's also used in regression testing large scale testing and in all those places rpa is the way to go now most of the engineering institutions most of the technical institutions they lay great stress on this and for example rpa and ai you know they are they are among the technical solutions that are they're available in global business space being cloud mobile applications development iot or whatever you you refer to as a result of the shift towards the digital technology that we have today you know innovation in the i.t indian i.t markets i believe a lot several lacks of jobs will be expected to be created in the years to come and now there are several areas of interest which we must look at and the engineering institutions must look at in terms of providing employment in this space for example whether it's online shopping that we normally do on the internet or maybe online credit card application processing or you know in all these places rpa plays a very important role in the back end ensuring that the digital experience that is required and and that obviously will have to be smooth if this have to if this have to be have to succeed for example banking and financial services is a great uh place you know for automation to be uh you know which which has manifested uh itself and uh the uh you know the vendor data is to be read it has to be validated and transactions you know to be enabled the customer services that we are interested in whether any of these areas even the kyc the information related to customers is validated by the rpa system so therefore a lot of traction will be available in in automation in ai in robotic process automation and so on the other areas of course you have care there are several health care sectors where registrations of patient appointments or you know managing claims of insurance all these are where rpa tools are used then of course the retail industry is something that we have where for instance online shopping which i have which i've referred to they make use of rpa to perform various tasks as payment processing inventory management customer service etc so finally the future for rpa and automation and ai is is something that will will grow in times to come and india is basically two advantages as i look at uh this problem it has both the workforce and the innovative capabilities which are required for rpa implementation now technically it can also be a global hub for rpa with soaring demand for technology professionals educational sector must deliver as we all know and some of the institutions some other universities are already doing it but probably there is a lot of push that is required from the from the application side which is anyway happening today and therefore the necessary talents required for the domain will be available in time to come of course the whether it's the learning i mean impart of education whether it's learning management systems that are in use we choose a whole lot of data analytics and ai to create a personalized learning experience i mean the the application areas are tremendous are many in number and of course the complete online examination system where they you know whether it's proctored or not proctored they all use these tools and therefore my understanding is that automation has a great future in times to come tech companies have been working towards designing these programs and i suppose the future will see much much more happening in that space thank you great thank you so i mean you bring an interesting point that a lot of uh incorporation of new syllabus uh right and and this is a very dynamic space uh ai and automation and how uh institutions build that into the curriculum is is an important aspect um i mean from from the actual perspective of of using rpa and ai within the delivery of education so the adoption not by our students of the technology but actually its use uh within the learning process is what i'd uh like to move on to right so you we have now as as professor ravani was talking about uh you know we've learned a lot in the last year right and maybe you know as people say there's some truth to the fact that the education institutions were a little bit in slumber and were injected to action because of covet right when we suddenly found that our students can't come to us we had to change our ways of teaching and while moocs were already having an impact and students were getting used to that kind of content that was recorded being given to them we all understand that just recording lectures is is a very small part of the learning process right and so uh you know what i was discussing with the professor ravani uh was the fact that uh you know how can we take the learnings from that year that we have spent now with obed when students have been away uh and build that into practice even when they come back onto uh campus right because uh again a very uh you know important point that professor ravani brought up was that when students were away from us not everybody every student had equal opportunities right because of internet connectivity and so on and so some of the ideas that i think our institutions tried to implement worked well for some students but not for the others but when students come back on campus and they have good internet connectivity should we be giving up on everything that has been learned in that last year and uh you know dr mohan if you want to uh you know tell us a little bit about what you are planning in your institution to say you know some good practices that we have brought up what how are we going to integrate it into as professor ravani said this blended learning environment that we would be uh possibly creating for the students yeah so as i mentioned earlier and also i think you know personality you know development of the student that's what i look at as learning okay so apart from the you know subject knowledge okay there are many things they can learn being in the system and interacting with outside world and so on okay so uh mix of both are very important okay we can't uh you know and nothing can replace a teacher okay so you know you need to have a teacher and with the aid of the technology okay we should move forward because so as i told earlier the role of a teacher okay is going to be different from the traditional you know okay with the technology and it's important we can't be you know away from the technology we are forced to and because of the covet situation whatever it is like we are we we are you know now with the technology we have to be with technology using technology but you should know like how much to use how much not to use okay because it also has its own you know positives negatives okay so uh you know that way like you take even cell phone in a mobile phone it has both advantages and disadvantages so we should know like we have to uh you know as a teachers we should tell the students like know how much to use the technology and where you know the human you know interaction is very much important okay so as you all know like you know we have been you know last uh after government we have been interacting you know through online but nothing like you know that personal interaction you know one can uh one used to like you know there are much more than just learn i mean the you know subject knowledge or anything you know you understand the person very well that's where and you learn you see the person's expressions you see the person's behavior that's where the you know ai can come into picture okay because ai can help because the point here whole discussion is about the not only the technology of the other things but also technology which with ai is used okay right how it is going to help the education sector and you can you can see that there are so many you know the startups which are working on ai for education so that means there is so much potential okay and as i told in the beginning of my this one personalization and there are many aspects of future you know i i mentioned the future how it is going to be the things like we have to come up with the some collaborative classrooms collaborative learning okay so and then predicting the student performance which can help the teacher better okay because the teacher has its own limitations okay but with the help of the technology teacher can you know better judge the performance of the students and also because there is a gap in teaching techniques okay so the technology can help okay and of course there are so much you know uh you know uh you know of the virtual reality and games through which students can learn okay and also it helps you know in uh you know even the grading point of view okay the ai can help the teacher you know in uh you know because sometimes we may have some biases towards some students or some new places but where ai will not be like that okay ai is a machine which you know learns from the you know whatever data you give so there will be it will be more much more accurate you know uh in certain aspects okay so and so that i know it will help the teacher in taking better decisions sure thank you thank you thank you thank you so uh let's take a couple of questions from the audience uh one question here is uh how do we get students to learn experiential learning uh throughout the adoption of new technologies i know you have mentioned um you know virtual reality and augmented reality as as ways and simulation um are there you know any best practices that you can point to in that direction uh you know one of the interesting uh you know situations that we have um you know in the first year of our engineering program at bmw university we have a program called the joy of engineering right because we want our students to feel the joy of what they're learning rather than just seeing it as a treasury of having to learn something to get a degree and that's a very hands-on program right i mean your students are building drones or building uh you know the raspberry pi based applications and so on uh so i mean that kind of experiential immersive learning are there technologies in your view that have allowed or matured us to that extent that they would allow that to happen uh online and maybe even improve uh on on what we do offline as a result of use of technology um uh dr krishnan would you like to start with that one i think i know uh others can not pitching because i just spoke about sure professor what are your views on that yeah uh when the question comes of experimental learning the students are very much used to attend the classes perform the experiments in laboratories and all uh so and when we think about using technology in experimental learning the great huddle is the mindset is the development of the culture because we don't have represent that kind of culture so we always think of that i cannot learn i cannot experiment unless i perform something on the experimental setup so that kind of you can say there is a need of changing mindset new technologies are there argumented reality virtual reality these are the things which are making the learning fun as you said that you how the you can say in your starting some syllabus where a student should uh enjoy the learning so this wonderful learning augmented reality is a kind of tools which are providing you can say enjoyment to the students at the time of learning so this can be a medium where the students can enjoy and learn as well but yes definitely the the great hurdle and all these is the imperfect problem and secondly the mindset adoption of that because we are not used to it both teacher and students teachers should also understand that with this they can students can learn they can they can make the students learn and students should also understand that this is the way how they can learn in a better way along with the enjoyment yeah and so that's a very good point that actually uh as we see these new technologies come in uh nobody is talking about the poor teacher right who has to uh adapt to these new technologies and change their own way of interaction and we'll come to that a little later uh so thank you for that um uh dr mantha i i see you're having lots of problems with connectivity here but while we have you here i thought i would actually ask you as to in your experience with experiential learning uh what are the new technologies that can be adopted to meet the learning of uh you know for students more experiential in nature well there are several things that can be done on experiential learning in fact the uh several universities have uh implemented inclu i cluding uh mine uh there something called as uh yeah you know the brand factory or the fact or the fabrication fab lab you know where several uh you need several equipment i mean to write from the time that one designs and goes through the process and creates a you know smaller components assembles them and creates a product and tests it out and so on so several universities are trying that experiment where they provide all the facilities from the students perspective and they are allowed they are given themes and ideas based on different themes and they are the students are expected to actually uh you know go through the different uh ideas and come out with uh solutions for you know small bits of requirements from yeah sorry so uh there is another question here um about assessments and uh one of the people in the audience are saying assessment is a major concern in this digital era how can we tackle it uh dr krishnamohan would you like to take that one dr martin you're on mute um professor rowani would you like to jump in on your experience with you know assessment yeah for the assessment part using technology artificial intelligence can be used for the evaluation process with the efficiency those those technologies are in place we can think of using those technologies for the you can say objective types of assess question papers subjective type of question papers all these can be done but if we we particularly the question from the audience is there that in in the present scenario how we can handle that if we want to use the ai for using that that may require some kind of infrastructure internet connectivity and all but if we don't want to use that then then as i said that as we are doing in our own institute that we are using a model of the continuous assessment continuous assessment earlier also it was there in our institute we used to take the you can say the mid-semester examination and all so we have replaced those kind of things and now we have the projects where the students can learn uh from the various sources available on the internet or through our access to our edu sources for library they have been provided the access to them so from there they can learn they can submit the reports and then the wawa can be arranged so that becomes one component of the assessment another component of assessment may be uh using you can say the direct dialogue with the students question answering viva voice examination that can be third a second part of assessment third may be a kind of a assignment assignment when i say is not merely what is given in the books basically copy paste but that some questions should be there which requires their personal personal thinking creativity should they are the question teacher has to put a label in that and designing such kind of questions if such kind of questions are there is a kind of open book kind of system where these students can't get the answer anywhere it's not available on the internet it's not available in any of the books they have to learn first those things then apply the learn knowledge in a particular situation based on that certain questions can set so all these components can be included and that becomes a total in totality the assessment for the students or otherwise if you want to use the technology using ai that can be the future we can think of using that and we should think and proceed in that direction i believe yes thank you that's a that's a very interesting point you're making uh professor rohani and in fact in my experience even giving access to the internet to the students while they're doing their tests is actually a real test of whether they really understood what you were telling them because the internet is full of noise so so you know students who are very careless with their use of the internet can all give the wrong answer right as a result you know but that's uh that's very interesting and i guess that puts the onus again on on teachers that they have to come up with these uh very applied questions right where you have to use your brain power and i think that's a requirement for them the question from the audience was assessment is a major concern in this digital era how can we tackle it uh can you tell us a little bit about the experiences at uh you know your institution uh with regard to this yeah as i i mean as everybody's experience says that you know there is nothing like a full proof system okay as of now okay so i think uh you know um all the you know uh stakeholders involved including government okay i should push towards this in making it better okay uh the assessment point of view how to make it uh better and i mean because the problem is that you know even we are facing some difficulties with the students doing all kinds of you know uh indulging into all kinds of this one like so uh having said that you know the as i told earlier like teachers should supplement ai and assist students who are struggling provide human interaction and also hands-on experience for students okay so that they become better you know in the process of learning okay they become better so and definitely like you know we have to move forward but at the same time with caution like what to be used and what not to be used okay so that that call is very important because we can't be using technology for everything okay where it has to be used you know you should use it with available technology and as i mentioned with all these you know whatever having said all these things like other speakers are mentioned the important uh point is like basic infrastructure which needs to be developed for all these okay i think uh slowly i mean governments are taking no decisions and also the organizations are taking these steps to improve the things but still these are the bottlenecks okay uh for the many students you know especially rural areas imagine we ourselves are struggling sitting in the cities like hyderabad chennai bangalore we ourselves are facing lot of difficulties with network issues and the you know other kinds of issues so that is going to hamper the our progress so if that is taken care i think much more things can be you know in the future thank you great thank you dr mohan so you know one of the things that in fact dr krishnamoh mentioned in in part of his answer earlier was the fact that the relationship of the teacher with the student when they are face to face and in an environment uh you know a physical environment is much better um you know on the flip side are there things where uh automation can actually improve the bond between the teacher and the student in your experience uh professor rohani if you want to take that yeah the having a proper bond between these students and teacher is very much essential there is no knows you can suspend me opinion about this the many times the students say that i don't like this subject that we go into the depth why why they don't like the subject the reason might be the subject teacher is not good it's not the question of the subject content they they are not very much comfortable with the subject teacher and that's why they are not good when they say that i don't like this subject and when i change the subject teacher they they start liking the subject so it's not the content is the one who is delivering the lecture that is more important the bond is very much important between the students and teacher using technology this bond can be further improved the reason is that the students in case of the use of technology students are not in you can say the peso role they are in active role they are they are they are interacting with the uh with the faculty sometimes they the science students who are not very much comfortable they think that their kali students what they think about them but when the question comes of you can say using the technology they are more open and they feel more friendly because they don't have the physical touch with the students and that's why sorry physical touch with the teacher and that's why they they become more active in that case and the role of the teacher as pointed out by marvelian speaker also the goal of the teacher also changes the role of teacher is not really the lecture delivery but not merely whatever content is there he has to deliver but here in this case the role of the teacher will be a facilitator if he is a facilitator definitely the bond will be more strong bond and students are nowadays more technology-saving they want everything technological platform that we can understand very well uh whether it is a shop whether it's a banking whether it's particularly at this stage may not like sometimes or may not be that much comfortable but the students are more comfortable rather they always prefer to use the technology so when they are using technology which is their choice so definitely the other stakeholder who is the teacher definitely when the price matches the test matches the bond will definitely improve thank you great thank you and uh dr krishnamohan you mentioned the fact that you know use of technology takes away a little bit from that relationship are there some positives to uh the technology use also like uh professor rawani was suggesting uh that can actually help that bond becoming stronger in fact in some ways yeah if you have to ask me some positives about this whole thing like in fact in terms of the work especially in computer science you know where we don't need to be physically present okay so we are able to connect the server students are in fact i'm having you know uh you know uh the meeting so more often than what i used to do physically it will be very friendly because now i call them whenever i want to know six o'clock seven o'clock come for a join and not do it in fact that way like i mean the progress is very good compared to what you know offline progress if i see all my students no travel or no like no other diversions just focus on that but this cannot go in the long run it may not be good for the mental health of the students okay and where it can hamper the you know because i see school children and some of the iit students suffering you know you know having all kinds of you know mental health related mental health related issues okay so i think we have to have mix of both okay so that you know we become better okay as professor you know ravani mentioned okay technology is very important we cannot be like without technology and of course see in india the problem is like we are slow in uh you know because of our you know culture or people many people are below poverty line you know where they may not feel the necessity of you know including opening bank account and things like that now things are changing so the pro i mean the change is slow that's all i can say compared to any other other countries you know things are slow and the other important thing is uh the ei can bring one important thing is that it probably it will it would bring the all educational institutions and the higher education closer to the industry okay so that will be very good thing i see in the future because you know if you see talk about germany okay most of the work they do okay it is directly translated to the technology and the society involving okay where you know that is still not happening so much like other countries it is not we are not there i'm sure with the i know use of ai you know i think it will also take us closer to the you know uh industry and so that because once you have these skills okay we know like okay we are closer to the industry we are no more like you know only you know you know teaching something and i think that is another change i see that the future is going to i mean it's going to happen yeah thank you thank you so uh you know the way i see it is uh you know i think with with digital technologies uh you know yes of course we had a very personal service that we got from the corner store the little piranha shop that we went to but if we look at amazon the the depth to which they know us is kind of almost scary right and so uh you know with with students being online using a lot of technology where we can actually um track student progress how much they're engaging with different content how they're interacting with students asking questions what's the quality of answer they're giving each other um all of this gives us a very rich data set that can help us understand our students better and hopefully you know if we can create systems that allow teachers to then utilize that depth of understanding of the student uh to uh actually impart that personalized learning that both of you were mentioning earlier i think um that's a huge opportunity for us and i hope that you know we will we will progress towards that and even when we get into the campus um you know uh maybe some of the drudgery you know the parts that are not that interesting of the teaching job can be automated and ai can help in actually allowing us to teach at different wavelengths right where we sitting in a physical in a classroom we always have to dumb down the to some extent or you know focus on the average student which means the weaker student may suffer a little bit and the very intelligent students may also not uh be as attentive because they're getting bored i think those are some of the ways in which technology can hopefully um help us and you know from the sounds of it i think the future is right uh you know what you're talking about what you're doing in your institutions uh i think uh does suggest that uh you know i think academia in general is uh is is taking on the challenge of adopting all of these technologies and new technologies uh so uh you know if there are any wrapping up comments that you would like to make professor rowani as a wrap up of the subject before we close yeah uh the the question comes from the adoption of the technology so we are in the era of the industry 4.0 and is now high time that the education institute should also think of going proceed in the same direction the adoption of technology there is no alternate to it we have to adopt it but yes as i mentioned that the couple of problems are there digital infrastructure is a great issue the internal connectivity of the students and all other respect the great issue investment by the education institutes and the government is again a issue but we have to move forward in that direction and that is possible only when all stakeholders educational institute on one hand and the government on the other hand they move together and should derive a strategy so that they should change the mindset of all stakeholders the mindset is very much important only mindset change is necessary so change management is very much essential here because we have to move from complete offline mode to you can say blended kind of scenario or more kind of online or use of technology scenario so at the end i should say that the future of automation in education is basically re-engineering higher education institute's framework we have to re-engineer the higher education institute's member then only it is possible to adopt the technology and that is very much essential for not only for the survival of any education institute for the growth of the education city as well thank you thank you professor rovani and any last comments dr krishna mohan yeah at the end i can say that you know future like teachers will supplement ai lessons assist students and they provide human interaction and hands-on experience for students i use of you know this ai technology okay so so for the benefit of this society that's it thank you thank you so i guess to conclude we can say that uh you know automation uh rpa specifically and ai have are here to stay in education and we are all ready for the challenge and at the same time i think just like doctors academics still remain very relevant to the learning journey of students and i think you know always will would be a conclusion that i would draw from all your comments so thank you very much and uh i shall i really enjoyed the interaction with both of you and i shall pass it back 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