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[Music] all right thank you for staying with Daybreak we having reflections of jamui day and with me here is Angel Mia chairperson jubile Youth League Arnold Mala is here head of policy and public affairs UDA morara kibasa Civic activist and kasm Mak revolutionary artist we all having reflections with jamui we'd like to hear your views at Trevor Citizen TV Kenya use the # Daybreak Angel the President says that they've created 243,000 jobs at least abroad and he says that critics are unfair on him is this a valid point when the the 243,000 jobs have actually been created as much as this conversation that the promise was a million jobs but 253,000 jobs have been created is that a fair assessment that something is being done I think um I'm I'm perplexed when he says that and and expects that uh uh for us to believe that he says he has done well and that we need to believe him and uh I would wish that he at times listened to people like Arnold malba because uh malba has said we are not where we we want to be but we are not where we started but the president gave very different remarks and he said that he's doing much better than uh than uh we all think that he's doing and that he's moved on progressively well in uh some of these sectors because clearly we are not and uh when he talks about uh exporting uh young people out of this country I beg to wonder uh why are we uh brain draining our country uh because we spend so much in educating uh our students our young people of this country spend so much taxpayers dollars and then we expect that uh resource to go back to other countries I think it's quite unfortunate that he Prides himself in uh creating jobs especially outside the country I think uh that he could do much better because u in the last three to six months I don't think William Bruto has been doing anything besides politicking uh he was busy um impeaching his Deputy president and uh now trying to reorganize his government we didn't see why he should have done that but he thought it was a priority for him and uh it's very very unfortunate still that uh even after drawing up deals with uh with adani he comes down now to bring it down and uh and now it collapses like a house of cards so we we we are not even making that one step forward in my view I think we are doing uh we are doing less uh less better than I anticipated I knew on August 9th 2022 that we had made a mistake by electing Mr Ruto but today I know that we made a terrible mistake by electing the kenwan administration it has not put the issues of Kenyans at heart when you talk about digital transformation which is the platform at which uh jobs should be created we are seeing that that is where he's running to tax and that's why young people said no to the finance bill of 2020 2024 and we saw what he did with it and uh he had to be forced to to to to remove it and pull it down instead of empowering the digital platforms to ensure that young people are able to be able to create new opportunities in those platforms he went ahead to propose new taxation so I wonder how um he intends to bring in the next finance bill with the administration I don't know which on the digital platform considering that it's now monetized if I don't shouldn't everyone contribute to the tax Kitty I think it's it's a it's Kenyans don't have a problem paying taxes but uh the problem is not seeing those platforms actually working and uh the the digital Platforms in Kenya are not where they're supposed to be they are still in the very early stages of taking off and I still think that uh in my view when I look at the the the money that is generated in the Dig digital platforms I think it's still it's it still needs a lot of boosting not taxes and deductions I think we still don't even have a a proper uh uninterrupted um digital connectivity in the country they still exists a very huge digital divide across the country and until we seal those loopholes I don't think that it is the right time to tax that platform if we are supposed to um enhance and empower the skills of young people and he's talking about uh creating artificial intelligence centers in uh in Nasha so that it blusters that that has still not even taken off since that Declaration was made during the state visits in the in the United States and I think he's really not focused and uh he has not put the the the priorities of kenyaan Kenyans in his heart I think he has a lot of uh other misguided Ventures we saw him going to look for the former president something he should have done two years ago when we had the cost of living protest in 2023 and then now uh he even kanena came here on the show to to claim that uh uh they're not getting resources from The Office of the President to run the office of the former president and the there was a whole issue around that I wonder what he they discussed in their three-hour conversation because he must have really looked bad because of the things he's he's done before and as we say pride comes before a fall and Mr Ruto is falling and he's falling very fast okay we'll get into that that meeting in just a bit but kasm the reason why I'm asking this question is that he was specific that more than 243,000 jobs have been created at the same time the President says that the critics are unnecessarily focusing on things that are dis information and not facts so it is true that yes there was a promise to have more jobs but 243,000 jobs have been created over the last one year should that be the focus rather than the missing jobs I I do not think so because uh if you're creating jobs it's not just a matter of creating jobs because we could you could tell me every morning you should be bringing me a newspaper to The Newsroom and you could call that a job we are facing a thing of Kenyans saying Kazi and then the president saying bakazi and and if you think about the day I also knew that this Administration just totally lost it is when you see an entire Ministry of Labor focusing and if you see the way it's been positioned recently it looks like a a a a a a marketing agency a job agency that's a middleman in exporting labor and the one of the primary things which we supposed to take care of if you're trying to curb the the e of unemployment is you're supposed to invest in education and uh skills training which if you think about our education if you study we are still in what Paulo describes as the pedagogy of the oppressed our education system is not working whatsoever and we do not have enough investment into our skill set therefore even the jobs that he is claiming to have created are not necessarily created by Him because remember when you scrutinize these jobs uh keenly you realize that a lot of it is just academic writing a lot of the people who are being shown in those so-called ICT hubs or people who are participating in academic writing it is a dehumanizing form of of employment where you see the Brilliance of a Nation being used to afford people in other nations and other civilizations uh better opportunities in markets that are functioning so we have brilliant Kenyan Minds doing assignments for people abroad and the government is coming to boast that these are part of the jobs that they're creating therefore the digital Super Highway that the Kwanza government is speaking about does not have enough infrastructure we have not seen any significant uptick in uh in in in digitally motivated uh employment or labor or or production because the work that has been coming up even in terms of creativity has not been sparred from the government side but it's just still coming from the public and the private from from the general public and private citizens these are skills that the citizenry has afforded for itself then the government has come in to perform a capture Harvest and claim that they have provided these opportunities again this government is is investing itself in very Capital intensive projects which create very little jobs so we find that while I go to school to study we are told for our entire childhood that study and then you'll become something the jobs that the Kenya kuanza Administration Prides itself in creating are the jobs for The Artisans I do not have a problem with j workers but the 168,000 I remember that statistic jobs in in the in the in the affordable housing units those are jobs for so you want to tell me that uh I went to school studied all I studied got my bachelor's degrees some got Masters so that I can go and work as a as ajango person what am I doing to the people who've not had the uh the right to education gotten to their doorstep so a lot of these jobs if we think about them critically are not satisfactory so when we criticize as canans we say that even in in an economic uh meltdown a state to try and avoid this crisis ought to employ in uh Public Safety in education and in public health at the very least these are the three sectors that are stay when we are undergoing an economic meltdown of Swords should have employed but we're seeing the doctors consistently on the streets we've seen doctors commit die by suicide because they've been working long shifts no food no uh remuneration we've seen the teachers complaining yes the government Prides itself in having hiring more teachers than previous regimes uh I I would give that to them with a grain of salt but even in the conditions that they're being hired on the pay that they're being given is is is not commensurate to the kind of work that they do there's nothing being done in terms of Public Safety that the the thing that this this regime has consistently prided itself and is giving our brothers and sisters our mothers and fathers jobs to sweep the streets I understand that we might be in difficult times but by Jo we can do better this Administration can do better and stop uh giving us the bare minimum while the people at the top because if you think about even the cabinet secretaries who came back people who've been working for 30 years to amount a certain amount of wealth have gotten the same amount of wealth in less than two years so this is an economy that's working for the top 2 percentile but for the rest of the economy does not okay for the 67% of young people who are between and remember this is a very young country which has a median age of 19 we do not have adequate policy we do not have adequate a safety net that's good enough to ensure that these jobs are guaranteed so even if you're saying that they're creating jobs to be honest in all honesty I have not turned somewhere and seen uh the people who pursued an education to the very end say that we want to work Kenya every young person is certainly and and and currently man AI Ken and not because they hate the country just because the country is no longer working for the young people and for the citizen in general okay to jump in bring yes this issue of uh youth unemployment is so passionate and it's very painful especially to us who are young people in our country because not many people may have an opportunity like myself to start a business and succeed um and i' like to speak to it more especially on the issue of the taxation of content creators I remember you asked my colleague Angel about the content creators contributing to the national uh basket by paying the 15% uh tax I've spoken to many content creators I can tell you for sure that I spoke to Crazy Kenna I spoke to YY I spoke to nasra and I've spoken to many other content creators about 10 of them trying to gather facts on this uh particular issue and what I came up with is the 15% is deducted from the platform on which you've posted the content for example if let's say YouTube uh you've earned 100,000 this month the government will deduct that money 15% of it from the 100,000 before you can withdraw it so they would like withhold the tax YouTube would withhold that tax on behalf of the government of Kenya now what I came to together from content creators and many content creators who are watching us this morning will bear me witness is the government is looking at content creation as a source of income that does not have input they're looking at it as a source of income that does not have expenditure and that is where they're getting it wrong they believe that once you have a mobile phone you've created content they forget that there's expensive cameras and that sometimes you have to hire these cameras sometimes you have to hire a drone to get an aerial view sometimes if it's music you have to hire dancers if it is um a small skit where you're acting you'll have to pay the actors sometimes you have to pay for the location where you're going to shoot this content sometimes you have to hire the mic because some of this equipment is very expensive I've been trying to set up a studio at inject house and so far it has costed me more than half a million I'm not and I'm not even halfway in setting up that studio because I wanted to set up a studio for Content creators to come and create content from inject house it's been very difficult so you see podcasters sometimes they have to pay people to appear or to pay for locations or sometimes even to pay for advertising you have to pay your videographer you have to pay your photographer and a videographer is going to charge you per video so then the government is failing to look at one very important aspect which is what about the input cuz this should be like income tax where I'm able then to deduct okay uh my my expenses uh the other issue is um on this issue of more than the president saying that he has created more than 200,000 jobs I will treat it with a lot of Suspicion because it's for a fact it's a fact that our president lies and that he lies uh quite boldly is a very good lie is a pathological LIE there's a time he lied that Germany government and Kenyan government had signed an agreement for 250,000 jobs in Germany and the government of Germany had to come out and say that it was not not true because there are Germans in Germany who don't have jobs and that there are other European nations within the European Union where people are looking for jobs so when they hear that there are 250,000 jobs being given to Kenyans they run crazy so I will treat the 200,000 jobs with a lot of Suspicion and actually my next vampire diary should be to count to physically head count the number of housing projects in Kenya how many people work in those construction sites and whether those people can be counted and amount to 160,000 of them there is a third issue that we've forgotten which I want to put into perspective and that is the issue of importation of labor now most of the big contracts as casell has pointed out this morning first let me congratulate him for behaving very well this morning he does not behave like a member of odm who is part of the broad-based government ask him whe there's a m i injected him and it is working so there's the issue of importation of Labor into our country where most of the big contracts are being given to Chinese companies like China Road and Bridge company and then these people go ahead and import skills that we already have here so you'll find them bringing civil engineers you'll find them bringing site managers and these people through corruption in the ministry of in the State Department of Immigration they get work permits to work in Kenya so then you wonder why are we training engineers at University of Nairobi which has a graduation today Ken university has a graduation today why have we trained Engineers there why have we trained Architects there if this labor is being imported from other countries uh since um uh we have the policy the one in charge of policy in the UDA party I would like to recommend to him if they want to listen because they've said the young people should should give ideas of how they want their country to be run so now I want to give him an idea that we need a policy and a law that restricts importation of Labor into Kenya if that skill is available locally and if an engineer or an architect comes to our country to come and work here on any project and that skill that that engineer has let's say it's nuclear energy is so rare that we do not have it in Kenya the policy should restrict this person that within 2 years or 3 years a Kenyan should have been trained in that field and in that position to hold that position and you've seen it happen even to honorable senior Council mother Cara ugandans come to Kenya they practice law very easily tanzanians come to Kenya they practice law very easily but senior Council mother karua has gone to Uganda and it has become a very difficult process to get her a temporary just temporary practicing certificate for her to represent her client kab B in Uganda so why do we have this imbalance in terms of the policy on the migration of Labor in and out of Kenya why are we opening our gates for foreigners to come here and take jobs for example burundians they are all over the place my Watchman is a burundian and I raised this issue in our resident Association WhatsApp group that almost all our Watchmen now they are no longer lers they are being replaced with burundians because the burundians are willing to take 7,000 yet a policy has been passed that a night guard should not be paid less than 30,000 that law was supposed to protect that market so that the security guards can also earn a decent living cuz there's increase in cost of living and cost of goods and services and even rent but now we have burundians accepting even 7,000 to be night guards and therefore they have faced out our Mass they have faced out the lers they have faced out people from the security sector and now it's being given to to B okay let me bring in malib on this unemployment issue is it a step in the right direction just allow me to respond to a number of things they actually raised that I think are important to speak to number one one thing that has actually been consistent across uh their contribution has been the promise versus delivery uh difference uh first of all morara here says that in his mind he has got a, rather 101 ideas that could create about 1,000 jobs per year I would love to tell him that even as he comes up with the inject and everything around that a Manifesto is something closer to that the ideas that you have a Manifesto one time too many is actually a shopping list so just the same way those a thousand jobs in your head when it comes to delivery they become difficult is the same same way when you actually come to the management of public affairs you'll actually face those challenges so well it's okay for us to actually sit even as a regime and also come back to the Earth one of those things that I really want to agree with him that we need to look at probably not in the way he's putting it is that when he says that there is no difference between the huto government and then the Kenya con Administration uh in personality at least the top two could be the same the one thing he's actually run away from actually addressing is the constition 2010 the difference between kibaki's Administration and our Administration is the contion 2010 Kaki did not have MCAS as we do Kaki did not have the parliament the size of a high school like we do Kaki did not have counties so there was the level of overpromise under the huto government we over promised and politicians out there I can tell you that policy people struggle out here because politicians can simply promise a bridge where there's no River and policy people then will be forced to find ways of actually delivering the river so there was the because the bridge has been promised so you as a policy person to work out and find out how you'll actually find the river so this is the point that there's been over promise around that but largely one of the reasons why we are where we are and when I raise this people get a little bit edgy is the contion 2010 we need to review the constition 2010 do we need the 1,450 elected MCAS and almost 700 nominated talk about the 400 billion Shillings that goes to counties for example 308 of it ends up in salaries and allowances talk about 380 billion of that as in almost 95% of that money is salaries and recurrent expenditure and recurrent expenditure so but will you be able to take away Devolution from Kenyans no but can we relook at that idea yes can we make it much better is do we need a big Parliament as it is today when everybody talks about IBC coming into place one of those issues are raising is the review of boundaries and a lot of people are looking at review of boundaries as in splitting and increasing constituencies no one talks about reviewing we've got about 40 constituencies that by the way fall within the category that is actually protected constituencies so we should be doing away with 40 constituencies but when we talk about the review of boundaries everybody including where I come from in matungu in Kaka I think my matungu constituency so big and we actually have met the threshold we should should actually be split into two no one is thinking in the other way so one of the reasons Mora why we are where we are and we need to be bold about it is that we need a quantitative not just a qualitative a quantitative review of The Constitution 2010 there there's progress that we've made one of those things I don't want us to touch of course is the Bill of Rights that should not be taken away but we can look at the structure we can relook at the structure of government so even as you talk about as you compare these ends you should actually look at that so it's not just about the promise and of course the huto government really over promise they went into the vision 2030 picked things and tried to compress them into 5 years into 10 years it became so difficult the central with the over promise the national government tried to do what the old national government used to do at the same time they had Devolution and they had to give them money so it's a conversation that the people of my generation the Millennials and of course genes that are coming up to actually have a conversation about this we need to relook the constition 2010 we need to do a review and when you talk about boundaries review I also want to plant this seed to the people out there let us not just look at increasing constituencies increasing words and also talk about walking back on some of the we can even raise the threshold of what a constituency should be because we have just the other day you saw Mando's report 20 members of parliament have said nothing in the last one year unfortunately 13 of them actually our own uh seven of them come from the other side and uh you at it and you are like the definition of what a member of parliament is is one thing the people are missing out and this is not victim blaming that when somebody goes out to campaign for a member of parliament they talk about CDF if I were to break down the functions of a member of parliament primarily there are three but if you break down largely you find seven of them none of it is CDF so today everybody thinks along CDF it is CDF that is actually pushing the idea of splitting constituencies and having so many of them it's unconstitutional and CDF has kill Parliament Mara would not be making noise for us and moving all over and actually gaining even relevance if Parliament was doing its work because oversight is very important so but we would rather get members of parliament a little change in the name of CDF and then all they think you ask a member of parliament uh you've not spoken in Parliament but he'll tell you my people are not complaining why are people his people not complaining quote unquote because he's delivering on the ground members of parliament are Watchmen they are the people's Watchmen it's not in their business to be part and parcel of the executive so there we have lost that so we need to go back to the constition 2010 and reinforce it not just reviewing it ensuring that the principle of separation of powers is actually worked out okay then Anie here uh spoke about uh uh she spoke about uh the president not admitting the the president not admitting we've actually admitted so much and the president is actually admitting I don't know whether you want him to actually come and have a conference with you when there was the demonstration the one that culminated into the 25th January demonstration with all the infamy of a day that it was remember the president did away with the Constitution or rather with the cabinet then it has not happened it has not happened and you and I are slightly probably have had more Christmases around more than these two and we've we we've actually gone to fight as young people and the funny thing is that when I was the chair person of the TNA Youth League I had a similar problem she has today that she has got some other person also saying he's the chairperson as I think youth leagues have a problem in this country where the the president in opposition and the president in government so so for the people who organized those demonstrations the truth is that they scored bigly number one the president no one on account of people going to the street before in this in this country has a cabinet been rewared and people send home the president literally responded we've done away with the kitty for the First Lady a lot of policy changes have actually come into effect it never works that way Angie you know that for example at one point Trevor would know I think you reported that I got hold of a cabinet secretary a minister then there was news the National Youth Council I never had some of these things these guys have gotten as in a lot of the ground these guys have made so the president has admitted you can actually see it in policy you can actually see it in Gazette notices the whole finance bill was actually thrown out and you know when you are pulling out a finance bill it's like you are literally throwing out legitimacy okay because government rules by way of budget so when you are walking out government has admitted yeah you don't push do not be Lab at that point you already made the point the people who went out whatever they did they actually are making progress you don't need to push further because again sometimes when you push so far then we may not even have the Republic has the president admitted how many people have been abducted I I I would love that conversation to actually we really need to have that conversation because once it gets to human life it gets a little bit emotional okay and uh on that we can get a little bit subjective but I will tell you this when it comes to human life there should not be Us Versus Them Mora it can never be that then we are here some of us being looked at as Defenders of people you know when you see a young man floating in a dam I have no words for it that cannot be justified and I think the the institutions like this and he has actually told for example Parliament up to now Parliament has not pushed that and that is the people you know there's no higher organ wait just a moment there's no higher organ I need to execute this point very well because you are raising a very sensitive point and we should not politicize it Parliament has the highest organ because I love to look at Parliament as the national delegates Conference of a country there is no super meeting in this country even the cabinet should be secondary to Parliament that is the highest Authority because article one speaks about all Sovereign power belongs to the people and members of parliament are the representatives of the people Parliament has not come through on that issue properly the police that are investigating and those like yesterday I saw uh the issue of Rex for example uh the Judiciary is actually dealing with that so we need DCI we need ni we need NPS and over and above we need Parliament because they have got literally everything they've got the power of a high court okay to be actually be in a position where they can help us do that I know from where you see as a party and you ask the question if the president has admitted there are numbers that are flying around those numbers are not just statistics he said no one he said no one isn't that what he said he did not say 10 instead of 20 he said no one has been abducted that what he said I I want to revisit that particular conversation and then answer you from a point of information but from what I know I'm a Kenyan I live in this country there are people I trained Mora from my class she knows from my mentorship class who actually I'm talking about my leadership and political class and the organization Iran that actually were on the streets that some of them actually had disappeared so I'm am a Kenyan also the Inspector General admitted this in Parliament so I want to come I was responding to the question why is the president you say the president has admitted in policy when when the Inspector General speaks who is in a better position than that okay so he's spoken to Parliament what we need to do is that Mar I want to ask you as a young brother that when it comes to Human Rights I should not be seen to be opposed to you we should not trivialize human life human rights and specifically life is so sacred that we should not make it a subject of activism a subject of politics has the aced that there anyone who has been abduct let me bringel has he ever accepted the police I think the president has through has he ever AC the director General who is an appointee of the president and that is the competent office that can actually should be responding to that then uh okay finally finalizing on that you asked about a policy in place as a policy person I will tell you that we do not we are not short of policies look at sessional paper number four of 2013 for example that is employment policy and strategy paper uh strategy paper for Kenya all those issues you raised there all these ideas people are actually putting on the table today I don't want to talk about the reviewed version of this I want to talk about the strategy paper that is the sessional paper number four of 2013 MH that is the employment policy and strategy paper for Kenya look at it all the ideas people putting here are actually there in including the issues you raised the biggest problem we have is at enforcement level m it's that is where we have got the biggest problem so and when you push us on that I think we should also be magnanimous enough to accept that we are having a problem yeah in checking that out okay but we do not we do not have a short yeah we we are not short of policies to actually work that out okay let me bring an angel on this now finally finally he talked about the taxing the the digital tax you work at Royal media Trev there is no single day you had a conversation with government on whether they will tax you or not you actually see your by the time you receive your money government has already taken it its part everybody and people talk about as if government has not invested into that particular sector some of you who have traveled will know that there are places in the us where our internet is way way faster than that there are places in Germany that is the west where our internet is f those are deliberate uh policy and executive actions taken here in the days past the digital Super Highway that we have here the uh the cabling that we have here we have one of the best internets in the world and when you speak about uh it's your talent and there for no one but it's also my energy when I wake up in the morning and go to the office for example I work at UD and I can tell you that people at UD are not happy with the way they actually also paying their taxes we don't like it even though we work there so no one likes paying taxes so all of us should pay taxes because one day I want to become president and I don't want now that I know how to government I'll tell you this I cannot entertain the idea that we are talking about other people should not pay taxes the guys who are doing digital work actually making a little bit of money we are taxing even laborers and by the way you are a as a human being you are a resource for this country KAS spoke about his he went to school for himself my friend no one including the people who went to private schools in this country can say that 100% they paid for the education 100% a lot of it is subsidized okay government trains government sets policy as in even quality control is government you don't pay for that say there's another thing that also came up there's another because of government that is a fact because of private sector in the I Authority no one has got much more fiber Cable in this country than the genten hold your thoughts now let's talk about something else that came up during the jamur day's conversation again the deputy president spoke about reaching out Governor Saka also spoke about it we saw the meetings in isi with the former president is it time that the president President William Ruto starts to think about meeting the younger generation like yourselves because we're seeing a meeting there's a meeting with the clergy there's a meeting with the former president there's meetings but we've not seen one with the younger generation is it time that you should consider that and what should be the topic of that meeting Trevor I think the last meeting I saw uh Mr Ruto half with young people was when during the education funding mod model and uh he tried to C down uh the the activism that was going on at that time and uh it still went ahead to to we still where we are today so I I as a young person I would not really want us to focus on us meeting the president because we have seen what the president is about he will tell us what we want to hear then the moment he walks out that door the story will just be the same I think right now young people should continue demanding that the president delivers on his promises uh they should uh be able to demand for the people that were abducted to be released and it was U it was very very sad when we saw the femicide protests and we saw the protesters being teargas and we can clearly see that there's a threat on human rights we don't necessarily to need to meet the president for some of the dreams and uh goals that we have to be actualized and realized the issue of unemployment is not an aspect of young people meeting with a president uh the issue of ensuring that the education funding model is working is not does not require us to meet the president so young people should keep on their right or their role as active citizens to continue demanding that this government delivers on its promises to ensure that the cost of power as my colleagues have stated does not go to bite into our pockets just because we want to create new opportunities when you want to set up a salon when you want to set up a kosi the cost of power will eat into your profit and that's not what we want as young people because young people do not need to meet the president for that whether he's meeting the clergy and the clergy raised their issues and we had um and we saw what they were about and then we saw him meeting politicians and meeting the former president I think those things are are under they pipe dreams at the moment and the moment he goes to meet them and then he goes back to the podiums and speaks the way he speaks really throws us off as Kenyans when he when he calls us Whata airport Oro or whatever his languag is is Discerning at a moment when the country is really fragile one thing I'd like to also point out with our neighbor here Mr musi we we BR him a dictator on the continent but if you listen to how Mr musi speaks to the people of Uganda why do you keep referring to the presidents with their names without the President part I've noticed you keep saying Mr Ruto you keep saying Mr M why not president president R well it's it's not a requirement Trevor I think they are their names and even if you listen to to to BBC and CNN and all that they refer to them with their names and you dignify it with a mister and I think that's appropriate enough because uh we have to do away with this psychop fancy of calling people by these names ofur those things have really thrown us to the gutters we have to refer to these people as who they are they we are their employers we are their bosses and so by referring to them as that uh is by showing that we are having a conversation as Kenyans we are losing out people are dying corruption is hitting the roof and what are you doing about it Mr Ruto and and Mr Kenyata and all all of them like they need to be more accountable to us we are not in The Godly faces of uh of uh of of before 2000 so we are past that and now we need to actually bring them to to the table and ask them to deliver on those promises and I don't want to delay by that I think uh Mr President uh R now has been really chest thumping about uh about the country and about so many issues you know pride comes before fall I've I've already mentioned that but I think we are missing the whole point of of of delivering on Unemployment uh and ensuring that we bring that down uh completely and talking about um exporting the talents of young people and not maintaining that here in this country and the taxation issues and all that we are seeing from the kyak Kwanza government is just left side politicking uh going to meet uh the Pres uh the former uh president Mr Kenyata and uh this is something I strongly believe he should have done in August 2022 the moment he was declared the winner of uh of the of that election and have reached out earlier earlier and we we wouldn't have the 2023 cost of living protest as much as they were with my with my SG Mr ke where we had to put on suas and demonstrate to Kenyans that we have a problem with our cost of living and then we saw it with the genzi protest where we lost young Souls because they were fighting for the quest of for the issues of for the rights of this country that should not have happened he's really waiting for the last minute to come and try and do something and I think that's very uh it's lack of wisdom to me c should young people close ranks in fact there was a referrence from Mora when he said that he injected you and it's working and whether you're a member of odm or not should the younger people now start to think of how to close ranks to the political class in order to then be the ones to take over power because the reason why I'm asking this conversation is the president himself said that he will continue to reach out to Kenyans from all walks of life regardless of their ideological persuasion to maximize cross-pollination of the flow of our Republic and ensure robust seeds for the future seasons uh Trevor I think I've set this time without number and I'm a person who does not hide any of the moves that I make whenever uh we were on the streets agitating for uh good governance the war on graft and accountability in government I went all out then when I realized that there was some Sinister machinations with some of the people who are on the front lines being super obsessed with grant writing and fundraising chanting down with American imperialism by day at night going to have meetings at the embassy everybody chanting Ruto must go in in the morning and in the evening trying to secure appointments with the state I realized that we're dealing with a political problem and uh this is where now I would like to put every political party that is on this table uh to the light because if I start with for example the Jubilee party is a is a party that was formed when I was in first year uh and uh I've never seen any solid uh grounding in terms of ideology from that party and uh it was if you think about it critically formed as a as a special purpose vehicle uh just like UDA to win an election if you think about inject it came at a time when we had agreed that we were supposed to just keep this as a movement but then a man who once went on record asking us what do we mean by Ruto must go comes along and uh whips up the Public's emotions sources for funds uh some from dubious sources and because it has to be justified in the public culminates into a party a party which uh lacks IDE iology a party which founding members and strong members have come out to castigate to say that the party leader is serving nothing but self-interests and and this is something that we had seen PRI and this is why there are reasons why I could not work with with such a party because you find there's a party where a man has just shown up and then the party chair is his classmate then he's just surrounded by a few men with dubious characters and the problem with people like morare is you know because he thinks he's a carpent is Clos to Christ think about you think about the UDA which was also a special purpose vehicle to win an election has no grounding in ideology so I sat down and analyzed in the political sphere because remember I used to lead an organization that was called the nccpa that had 67 organizations had social justice centers had some political parties in there but with a realization that there are people who are just committed to empty slogan here am cabal says we cannot do away with imperialism by harling insults at it we will not deal with President Ruto we will not ensure he leaves office by chanting Ruto must go we have to organize and I looked at this political scene when I said it categorically that for me now I'm taking a political angle and I wanted to join a party that had grounding that had stood the test of time in a country that is littered with epitaphs of unmarked Graves of opposition parties that have not survived the test of time I looked for a party that aligned with my values and it the odm party is a central Social Democratic party which quite aligned with what I was looking for constitutional reforms in this country have been driven by the odm Electoral reforms have been driven by my party leader there's no single individual who has tested election laws as much as my party leader his Excellency ring has the opposition of the finance act which members from the Jubilee party as well participated were driven by the odm as well the push for Devolution support because remember yes while we talk about Devolution and say that it has its own weaknesses and and the bloated government it also ensures that we do not have state capture as we've seen this year where the executive and legislature want to capture development and everybody so it seems as though Devolution is not working and we know why we got Devolution and if you think about justice of for the victims of police brutality we think about baby pendo we think about the people we've lost the orange Democratic movement has consistently been at the Forefront of fighting for these issues if you're thinking about Youth Empowerment and policies seeking to address employ unemployment and these policies the odm has these things and it does not have them just as a Manifesto because it has not yet managed to capture state power but it has consistently proven and sponsored bills in Parliament through uh to look for these things people meet the yes if you think about food and economic security if you think about human rights and advocacy that is why I looked at this thing and said I will take a political angle and this was an agreement by several young people that's why you find these political parties can exist in this particular atmosphere the thing that we kind of missed out on the political class only decided to address itself and This Is Us reintroducing ourselves to them while I might find fault with all these political parties we know now that if we need to have a conversation with with President Ruto because he refuses to listen to us as as ordinary citizens he will listen to Mora as a party leader he listen to Anie as a as a as a as a as a leader yes and to his policy advice I hope that he actually listens we must continue to find sustainable ways to do this because we cannot keep on donating our bodies to the street so that people come and perform capture Harvest if we think about it in that particular way we have to if we indeed intend to cause a political seismic shift in this country we must inv ourselves in the politics it might not be popular these might not be popular decisions but I keep on telling people if you look for a party that works for you Arnold has found one you can Mora has one Anie has one but if you're looking for a progressive Pro people movement that has consistently fought for the rights and basic human dignity of the people you can only find it in the orange Democratic movement okay uh let me let me just say this um my brother Kasell has said that um well sometimes I think because I'm a center I'm closer to Christ and uh it would not be further from the truth I am indeed close to Christ but you see the problem with our friend Kasell is that he thinks that because aill in and he has a lot of it then he knows more the truth is that whatever he's doing at odm is something I did there 7 years ago I was a youth leader in odm when I was 22 years old prove it because this is just yesing I even have a picture I'm going to show you right now just right now not later I was in odm together with Kabab oo um a long long time ago in fact I remember at that time I spent some of my help money to buy uh to pay for um premium membership I remember it was Kenya Shillings 20,000 I had a lot of Hope in odm I believed in it my parents have supported odm I was at odm at some point so whatever he's doing now is something I did 7 years ago so in terms of experience political experience I'm 7 years ahead of him and I can give him a little bit of Education about what happens in odm the first thing I'm going to tell him is one of the reasons we have corruption in Kenya is because there's corruption in political parties because when you sell tickets to candidates at a cost of 10 million to be a member of parliament the first first thing this person when he becomes a member of parliament will do okay will be to recover the money that they have spent I want us to stay away from here wondering how then can theer people because we could also say the same of inject let me let me ask let me ask this question which are some of the most corrupt counties in Kenya in terms of the corruption index wastage of public funds because corruption is not only in the UDA government the eating all the count corrup back to the people organized to take power you have started your own party let me just finish my meet the Pres corruption is also do we agree that there's corruption in not DM counties in all count corruption as well we've seen corruption corruption is a Kenyan problem in your own party which is supposed to be reolution members how do the young people organiz so that partipate to participate either in leadership yes or to take power definitely joining the mainstream political parties is not the way okay because when we went for the Gen ZZ protests we were denying or we were rejecting the old order of things where there's mainstreamed corruption in our government assisted by political parties which they themselves have become corrupt within their ranks and encourage corruption and ism so the best way would have been to run a movement based on new values based on the new Kenya that we want to see as young people and the future that we want now most of the political parties in Kenya and this you'll agree with me are actually ethnic based so you'll find there's a a a political party in Kenya for the people of Western all right like a and Ford Kenya you'll find that there's a political party which most of its support comes from like he's he he joined odm because he's from that ethnic Community they want to hold meetings in the so that is why he thought it wise to join odm party DM is from the western region but that's not that's a different because of that are ethnic we are discussing political parties let me make my point slowly because this a new thing I'm introduc so you'll not understand it you're interrupting me because you're thinking the old way I'm teaching you to think the new way the old political parties have been based on ethnic communities now one of the biggest problems we have in governance today in Kenya and in corruption is ethnicity and negative tribalism where when someone steals money meant for a a public road or a hospital they run back to their tribal base and say we are being targeted because this is not about me it is abouted so we need to do away with negative ethnicity we just need to celebrate ethnicity as part of our identity but it should not be a reason why we make um political decisions now the people who can lead the the way in ending negative ethnicity in Kenya are the young people and the reason the young people are the best candidates for that is because the young people most of them have studied and have been exposed outside their counties so you study in primary school where you were born but You' go maybe to high school in machakos or in Western most of them have actually married or are dating girlfriends that are not from the ethnic communities some of them are a benefit of intermarriages across communities you find your father is L but your mother is from kber so it is harder to sell tribalism to the young people of Kenya than it is to sell to our parents that's why when we went for the genz demonstration we said categorically we are not our parents so the best way for young leaders cuz now we are talking about young people these young people are going to be organized by Young leaders like myself the best way to do it is to form political parties that are not based on ethnicity to form political parties that are nationwide completely new the Secretary General of the inject party he talks about the inject party not having an ideology the inject party has an ideology we have a party Constitution we have a party slogan saying we believe that it will change if you look at our policy if you look at article 2.3 of the inject of the inject party Constitution number one is to fight corruption number two is economic transformation number three is Civic empowerment number four institutional reform number five environmental sustainability number six is Justice those are points ideologies of our party every Social Studies textbook has that they might have it in writing we have it at heart my Secretary General at in party is a Masai he called Sol was he or was he not your class the person who is in charge look orango was was with that's what we saying if how what is what is wrong with working with my class yes then what is wrong if I trust him enough to work with him it's exceptional it's beautiful how many classmates are working together we don't have a problem with you working you blaming other people for doing the exact thing you're doing is what we blamed for working with his classmates I'm blaming him for taking advantage of the genz demonstration riding on the blood of the youth who have died to benefit himself economically and have position also you know you you've you've taken this thing where you want to legitimize your part of the struggle with blood that's why you would lead people against the popular uh temper for example you took your people to narok where only you were not hurt but your teammates were hurt so you want to legitimize your struggle thinking it deserves blood and we keep on telling you that if you're trying only way I become part of my try to transform no no no no you're not listening if you want to truly transform this country you have to be absolutely honest in your dealings because the thing which you're doing is trying to and there's this narrative that you've been trying to see where you're driving sympathy or you're driving I do not have a problem with you changing campaign financing I do not have a problem with you an a projects what I have a problem with is you trying to pull certain stunts to try and whip up emotion because the new thing which you're trying to drive and which even your found MERS also be part andc of this conversation because you asked the question and it's ended up being a mora versus kasm they need to Sor not I'm not Sor so quickly Trev let me say this you ask a very important question and I look at everybody here and they look like they have got heads on their shoulders and as it is said that to whom sense is given wisdom is expected mhm first of all we are at a time where we are on what I love to call a generational Handover no one argues with agent wins the people ahead of us whether they like it or not they actually a transition the conveyor belt that is actually life has a way of checking out guys my question would be are millennials and genes ready to actually take over government because this bickering is very much like what we've seen before this the only difference here is the voices and the looks but this bickering is quite textbook to what we've seen in our politics textbook to what we've seen before this is exactly what we don't want this is exactly where we want to go he raised the issue he raised the issue about ideology first of all UD actually has got to one of the most ground shaking ideological foundings or underpinnings number one UD believes in National transformation and social justice actually as an ideology and that is where the bottom up economics thinking comes from that we believe that everything we do as a people and a nation is possible and that everybody should be given an opportunity at life that's what we are doing UD number one by is suffering because of its own ideas a lot of the we are getting is because of our ideas President William Ruto and the Kenya con Administration invited Kenyans to move away from the politics of identity to where first of all you are from this region or from this tribe or from this party and brought people to politics of ideas what they didn't know is that the nation will Embrace that much faster so when UDA and Kenya is being beaten based on ideas it is UDA that invited them look at the 2022 election it was purely we are moving away from the politics the old politics of identity this is who you are this is the size of your nose this is the color of your skin this is how you you have got a shub everybody has except kasm everybody has got an element a Ting of shub even Mora you can tell having said that I need to actually say this that so for UDA we've actually a very revolutionary ideology and that is why the country joined us and we didn't think that people would actually join us very fast you cannot walk back Kenyans back now into politics of identity one more time it's not possible I do not want I do not know at what stage of registration the inject party is but I know that the last party that was registered I think was in 2022 all the others over 165 political parties are at uh interim level of registration uh people haven't complied in that so once he becomes a party that is actually GED then we can actually talk to him as a party I do not want to take shorts at odm because I've been a member of odm before uh also uh we are in the BB the broadb government so I want to be well behaved and just say this that if kasm does not know is that all political parties I've looked at even what Mora is reading here all political parties in this country are center of the left all of them except that CBO byle Communist Party the Communist Party CB or if you look at the documents the written documents of political parties all of them are of the left the social Democrats the only differentiation has been our ethnicity the names and the faces but I can tell you if you look at the manifestos you look at the constition all of them even without declaring are center of the left except for my friend of Mo's party as in literally that is the guy who lives in a different world around the Communist party and of course you realize that they have got a little bit of a problem in traction so as young people how do we organize and come to together first of all being young is not a qualification for leadership I've been young Trevor I have literally served in every space every young person in political space would want to I have been a church leader I as in the youth leader for my church I have been a leader of a president's party youth league for the president's party I have been to the National Youth Council representing Nairobi elected by the way I have been Kenya's youth representative to the UN myself and at some point I left her there so literally every space that young people in political spaces want to be is there and I have realized one thing that youth is not a qualification for leadership you must bring more than youth but also it's important to remind young people that almost everything that is great on Earth was done by young people so whereas being youth is not a qualification for leadership it's also important to underscore that even Jesus Christ whom Mora thinks he's closer to because he's a carpenter achieved almost everything when he was a youth I I so my word would be this for the young people out there first of all congratulations for joining odm outside of a political party organizing everything that you are doing looks like you are on a bouncing Castle you know elders a lot of the activities we doing out here and bouncing Castle is good for the kids strengthens their bones makes them active but the big idea is that it gives W time to do their business as the kids keep busy so if you don't go into Political spaces you are not going to change much and I'll tell you this you guys who are here the leaders of genes I want to tell you something you didn't know do you know that on 25th of June you guys would have had the Republic if you had leadership but you did have leadership because a lot of you had not been trained and did not have that understanding that everything Rises and falls on leadership when you call yourself leaderless on 25th I am one person by the way I think myself andata are the only other people who have done a demonstration that go to state house I know and I I have told you before that I would never advise anybody to take people to state house because on that day it's a story for another day you can find it elsewhere if you guys only had leadership that's why I'm telling you that leadership is important mentorship is important working with older people 1992 was only possible because the young tax of then the of them were working with the jaramis of that particular time the Mattias and that is why 1992 was possible we might not really like that idea at the moment because it's not popular but I'll tell you that if you bring the energy of the youth and the wisdom but I don't know whether it is Sena who said that if it were not for the old people telling young people what not to do there would be no State okay so we we need to find a place in political parties and by the you are doing a good thing register Party come out here and then you realize that a lot of the things that we say here eloquently are just poetry because once it comes to policy policy becomes realist it becomes reality okay it's a people's lived reality against available resources okay ladies and gentlemen we're really running out of time but let's bring up some quick feedback then I'll give you each a minute for closing remarks as we wind up on this conversation we've really taken more than the time allocated to us let's see what you're saying online really quick before we close up Alex Alex myoro this is the Third Way Alliance spokesperson my reflection on jamur Day speech by CH William Ruto is that the president needs not to worry about critics if he's delivering if he lives if he lives if if lives are changing for the better we will fill it if he was delivering it to us ourselves who would tell tell us who tell off critics okay if he was delivering it is US ourselves who tell off critics I believe that's what he wanted to say Eric waren says who does the government believe understands the state of this country's economy if not its own citizens Kenyans everywhere are crying out about the High Cost of Living skyrocketing business expenses and widespread closures yet the government insists that it has reformed and is boasting about reducing inflation ironically they're raising the cost of services attributing it to the very inflation they claim to have CED okay s Nixon says criticism may not be agreeable but it is necessary it fulfills the same function as pain is a human body it calls attention to an unhealthy state of things sometimes praise can ruin you much more than criticism can save you okay Evans says the Constitution should be changed to prevent mutation or increase of counties and Elevate and elective units for instance population in USA is going to 350 million but states have remained stagnated Samuel says president rud Administration is working the talk on job creation from local opportunities to Global Horizons The Vision is ambitious but achievable okay this is actually the last show of the year before we the shows take a break so kasm closing remarks from you we'll start with you as we wind up to the end you can also wish people Merry Christmas and you also saw an incident during the femicide march there was a bit of a scuffle on your end Happ there don't want yeah that's arguable but as Arnold said when it comes to issues of human lives there is no US versus them uh so I think that's all I could say to that and and that's it but in my closing remarks I would uh say that I'm grateful for what this year has been it has been such a pivotal M moment for our country in the rethinking of what our democracy is and what our our political space looks like uh it is imper upon us to ensure that we have uh good governance going forward whether or not uh we decide it happens before or in 2027 we must ensure that we do not end up voting as we did I'd also like to take this opportunity to wish my party leader his Excellency Binga all the best in his bid for his Au chairmanship I know he has a debate this evening I know it will go well because he has the necessary diplomatic ties and I know he will clinch the seat of the AU chairmanship uh to fellow Kenyans I urge you to pursue relentlessly what you truly believe in let us pursue a peaceful and Peaceable uh nation that works for all of us in knowing that if we Prosper if the country prospers it's not a preserve over few uh I'm urging all of us to try and uh refrain from uh any inflammatory uh remarks or tendencies that would tend to plunge this beautiful Republic that we have but also to set out a firm reminder that it is we the people who still wield all the power and uh we will not be afraid to exercise it in case anybody comes in the way of our rights uh it's it's a St warning to the powers that be to remind them that we've