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hello folks uh thanks for coming uh we have a very very special guest today i'm i'm interested in uh in you getting to meet my friend uh uh dr dennis garvin who is a medical doctor uh we've had lots and lots of conversations since the coronavirus has has hit us last year uh so we're gonna get a a short interview with dennis so that you can kind of understand where he's coming from so so dr garvin thank you very much for coming uh the first thing the first thing i'd like you to do is is give me a better understanding of who dr dennis garvin is and uh and a little bit of your background and how you came to the point where you're going to be my expert on the coronavirus well thank you thank you i i grew up in a medical family with my mother a nurse most of my aunts were nurses i had an uncle who was a doctor my brother went into medicine i went into medicine i went to medical school after graduating from a military college i then entered the air force on active duty at my medical school after that i did five years of surgical training served active duty again for a period of time then went out in private practice throughout my practice i had it here too what i think most physicians adhere to and that is prevention is better than treatment and we should try to emphasize any preventative measures that we can such as the stopping of smoking or the control of diet for diabetics a variety of general health medicine matters that that are across the board beneficial but as a physician and as a surgeon i also was involved in the treatment of those people who became ill despite preventive measures and i am as our subject would suggest becoming increasingly concerned about the way medicine now has seemingly changed so completely in the face of this pandemic all right now uh dr garvin you are still a practicing doctor is that correct that was correct okay and uh my understanding is you've kind of been traveling around the country so you you've seen a couple different areas around the country um so we might in later conversations talk a little bit about what you've seen at different locations uh but what is your what is your general philosophy about this you're talking about prevention um and treatment since the covid since the coronavirus came upon us in january just about a year ago last year how have you seen the philosophy that you had uh while you were training and also as an acting physician how has you how have you seen that change for the good or for the better in relation to the coronavirus well as far as the prevention side of medicine i will say that american medicine as a whole has moved generally towards a a greater emphasis on prevention and maintenance of health as regards the virus i am concerned because prevention quite simply right now it involves masks social distancing lockdowns and vaccines it should also involve the correction of those comorbidities that we know will predispose an individual to a greater risk of not just covid but of dying of covet what i'm seeing now is that while i have no problem with social distancing and masks it has become wholly writ and there has been no proper studies done on that there are retrospective studies but there are as many that say there is no benefit as there are that show that there is as far as the comorbidities are concerned they are curiously being ignored and the main one being obesity the risk factors for covid complications are age which we can't correct obesity which we can correct control of the diseases that the person has such as diabetes hypertension heart disease copd and kidney disease i find it curiously absent that the authorities are not emphasizing the need for example for weight loss as far as the vaccines are concerned i am a proponent of vaccines but i do have concerns with the way that it is being dealt with on a scientific and on a propagandist basis and then for those people who either cannot take the vaccine cannot engage in preventive medicines or do all of that and still become ill with covid we have to have treatments and that has been not only shockingly absent but has been attacked by the so-called medical authorities cdc nih it is astonishing the vitriol with which they attack those people who are trying to come up with treatment plans right let me stop let me stop you there so i think that's okay so um i guess the overarching question that i have is because we're getting a lot of this information directly from the cdc and also our government officials both both the virginia department of health because you and i are in virginia but every state has their own department of health a lot of this information is coming from the cdc and i guess originally from the world health organization through our political leader okay and i i i guess the question is why do you think they're emphasizing certain things and and like you said in the in the uh suggestion of treatments or using existing drugs to help us in the fight with uh with the coronavirus why do you think they're they're they're all speaking the same thing i mean like i said it's the cdc and and uh the health organization plus a lot of political groups but there are people like yourself on the on the front lines that are saying something totally different why do you think there's that difference well i do believe that there is a political motivation here and of course i have to be very careful about defamation but i think the first thing we need to understand is that the nih and the cdc these are not physicians there are some physicians on [Music] the board but they are not practicing physicians fauci for example nih is not a practicing physician these people essentially initiate trials elsewhere and fund them and they review literature from the united states and around the world and then make recommendations based on that what i am concerned about is the absence of attention being paid to the world's literature and the absence of any funding coming out for anything as far as treatment for those people who get sick despite the vaccine or who can't take the vaccine not only is there no research being done but those alternatives that are being created out in the community are are being savaged they're being pooh-poohed and of course the press is going right along with it i don't understand the motivation but all you have to do is look at some of the facts and they may speak for themselves okay now we did have we did have i'm thinking of two examples where we had treatments we had remdissevere which which uh was fairly early i guess maybe in the early summer that came on the that came on the radar um and then we had um uh the the treatments that uh trump had when he got uh coronavirus in the fall the mononuclear you know where they were reproducing um uh the antibodies in his body um those two don't seem to be being used very much i mean either they're too expensive and they're not available or whatever and then we're hearing on the other side we're hearing you know hydroxycrof uh chloroquine we're hearing um some other drugs which i'm sure you're gonna talk about so there there is some activity and treatment but your complaint is the fact that there's not enough or they're not using existing drugs for the for the coronavirus that that might be might be effective yeah there are multiple multiple yeses to what you just suggested the first thing i think we want to deal with is what we call off label prescribing or alternate use of existing medications and we're talking about yes the uh the uh i'm sorry you said recently is that the one that you said right you get that yeah that comes from a family of the antivirals that that have been used in hiv and we've also got uh budesonide we have the hydroxychloroquine and we have ivermectin these are medicines that have been around for a long period of time and have been used successfully elsewhere they're off-label use or using them for alternate purpose has invariably come from the physicians that are clinicians not the cdc not the nih these are guys giving these patients a medication and found there was an alternate use for example hydroxychloroquine was originally a malaria drug when giving it some of these doctors realized that their patients with lupus or with psoriasis got better and so they began using it and now plaquemine l hydroxychloroquine is now being primarily used because it helps psoriasis and lupus and that was found by the guys in the trenches aspirin was given for arthritis when we saw it thinned the blood now it's almost never given for arthritis because the trench doctors found that it thinned the blood and helped to prevent heart attacks and strokes so a great many of our current medications are medicines that have been found to work better in an alternate setting and the same thing has occurred now with plaquinil with hyperoxychloroquine it has been shown by trench doctors to work the guys out on the front lines same thing with budesimine and but it's not sorry and the same thing with ivermectin which is basically an antimicrobial it's derived from streptococcus and it's been used for years around the world for a variety of parasitic viral and bacterial illnesses and there are studies outside the united states that have shown them to be effective the response to me is astonishing because fauci essentially pooh-poohed when trump talked about plaquenil when budesinai was found to work it was found by a texas physician and so they hired matthew mcconaughey curiously enough a texas actor for an infomercial in which they pooh-poohed it and found she even had the incredible arrogance to say that any benefit would have been placebo if you are having trouble breathing and you take a medicine and you start breathing well that is not placebo same thing with ivermectin there's an argentinian study that is it's astonishingly effective and yet none of these medicines are being given it's very hard to get them i myself have tried to prescribe them for family members or other people and there's difficulty with it they've jacked the prices up they've made it hard to get and these are medicines they've been around for over 50 years yeah and i i understood that when um hydrochloroquine came out and they were talking about it and trump made a couple statements about it that he said that there were that there were millions and millions and millions of doses that it was just something that was in the market and it was it was readily available and it was cheap and we should at least try it is that still not is that not the case is that is that particular drug hard to get a hold of no it's not hard to get a hold of it's been around for years it's it's been generic for years and it is currently given for people with lupus and psoriasis and it has been very healthy very safe but now you're beginning to see people in in the literature complaining about the effect of plaquenil on the ekg on prolongation of what's called the interval they never said that when it was being given for psoriasis or before uh for lupus the other problem that i have can i stop can i stop you there let me let me stop you start to interrupt that's really really interesting to me so uh so when hydrochlorocrane came out you're calling it something different is are we talking about the same drug it's the same drug sorry yeah okay okay so then they started talking about this fact that it was it was a counter indication if you had heart if you had heart issues right but you're saying that was never a concern when it was being given to people who are who were either had malaria or the off-use uh components of psoriasis you're saying that it was never it was never really an issue you weren't you weren't less likely to give it to somebody because of their heart condition no i it was that basically they are now emphasizing that as a risk factor where before it was something that the physician knew about right and would talk with the patient about and if they had a normal ekg and you gave them the medicine you could recheck ekg and if it didn't prolong that interval that patient did not have that one what we call idiosyncratic reaction to the medication okay and your your belief that they started to highlight that was to to um suppress the use of that particular drug in the public is that is that yeah increased increase the fear factor now they can say oh no we're just trying to educate the public well you know they're educating them with fear it's propaganda right so right okay okay all right so the other thing i would say oh so that makes a lot of sense sense to me so continue on with with um you know the i i think what you're saying i love your term the trench doctors i think that's i think that's great that's very descriptive so there are is this a is this an information gap that uh dr fauci and the nih and cdc and you know the corona tyra uh task force coronavirus task force just has all this ability to communicate to the public and the trench doctors do not is it as simple as that that if we if we elevated more of the the trench doctor's philosophy maybe would we would have a better understanding of the possible treatments for the coronavirus is it that simple or is there something more uh something more behind the difference well the problem is that the the press i believe has been complicit uh if you uh and we we mentioned this that there was a senate hearing in early december chaired by senator johnson from arkansas where he met with several physicians regarding the antibiotic ivermectic and they were talking about efficacy before the the minority was represented by a senator peters from wisconsin who got up before the doctors spoke and savaged them accused them of being politically motivated and then he got up and left and didn't even listen to them but the one that i believe was the most uh uh he was the most appealing because he was almost weeping was victor corey koy maybe k-h-o-r-y so if you were to go on to this hearing ivermectin senator johnson and then fast you know listen to johnson listen to peter's and then listen to corey because they are it was not political they were in favor of the vaccine they were talking about please do the vaccine but let's begin to come up with alternatives to treat the people who get sick anyway and and and they were savaged and the curious thing about it is that cory is a lifelong committed democrat and his a democrat senator basically savaged him because they thought he had wandered off the reservation right the other concern that i have as we talked about earlier is that the problem first of all with the vaccine we already know that it is mutating rapidly japan the uk and south africa have already created have already reported a rapidly changing mutating strain and bauchi himself back in the 1980s was the poster child for the treatment of hiv and one of his statements was the difficulty with coming up with a vaccine was because it was the virus was mutating so rapidly viruses mutate that's why you've got to get a flu shot every year because last year's channel won't work this year this virus is mutating very rapidly and that means that you're going to have to get a shot with each mutation oh no they're saying the experts that they believe that the current vaccine will help they have no proof they would have to start again and take our vaccine and take it over to south africa take it to england take it to japan and demonstrate that it works against this strain right right nobody would say that last year's flu shot or the flu shot from 2017 would help in 2020. nobody would be that foolish but they're wanting to they're still pushing the vaccine despite its rapid mutation rate which fauci himself in the in 1980 said was a problem the other problem with fantasy was that he fast-tracked two medicines repurposing the medicines azathioprine and immuran okay and he was on board he fast tracked this without research and the complaint that he came up against was there are no proper clinical trials for the effectiveness of these medicines he overrode those and he got that done and now he's on the opposite side because when plaque when ill was being utilized when trump mentioned it was being it should be utilized found she said there have been no proper clinical studies so he flipped his argument why could that be well the fouchy in 1980 is not the fouchy that in 2012 was named to the gates foundation senior advisory council and they're the ones that are putting out the modernity vaccine i'm not saying that he has a conflict of interest but to me for a doctor to or any health care official to say we only have prevention we're not going to work on any treatments and now of course the antivirals the hiv medications those are being utilized but these others basically and if you look at dr corey on that interview that senate interview he has been taking care of these people he has he is an icu specialist a pulmonologist and he is watching people die and that's tragic okay this is what we'll do uh dr garvin we'll make sure that those are in the description uh for this show so that so that people can go to that video and and look at at uh both the the uh democratic congressman and then also uh dr corey's um uh statement uh when he when he reads it um so we'll make sure that that's that's in there for our readers i want to come back to something that you said though so um so with let's go back to hiv so hiv there was never a vaccine that was developed did they try to develop a vaccine for hiv or did they just say they tried we're not gonna we're not gonna go that route we're going to put all of our efforts into treatment that's something that's still under investigation they are still talking about coming up with one but it is very interesting to me that after all of this time the reason that they have failed to come up with a vaccine is because of the mutation rate that is similar to what we're seeing in the in the coronavirus right pretty effective right the treatment has been fairly effective for hiv right people no longer looking upon it as a death sentence right so let's so let me take that because i don't want to get too deep in the hiv and and dr fauci being involved in that decision i want to come back to treatment of the covid of of the coronavirus okay so you said something you said something very very interesting which which i take i take personally because i'm obese so it would have been nice for somebody to say let's use this as an opportunity to to to get the health of the nation back and to get people eating better and then also understanding our immune system and how our immune system could take care of this virus because this is not going to be the last virus we're going to have to deal with our bodies are dealing with bacteria and viruses all the time so you had said something to me in a private conversation that i want you to finish up the the last little bit of time we've got about we got about six or seven minutes and this is on treatment of the coronavirus okay and then with our next segment which will probably be longer we're going to talk more about treatment and then also also what what we believe is the information that's being given to us that might not be the best information for our health okay and you had mentioned to me the way the virus gets into your body okay going through your nose and your mouth and some of the things that we can do before we even start getting getting sick in a preventative way okay could you share a little bit of that with us with our remaining time about how our viewers can help themselves today uh rather than just the mask in the social distancing and we can talk about that next time but some of the ways that they can take care of themselves uh with any kind of bacteria or virus okay first i will say that what i'm about to recommend dale uh we should probably put this into the information at the end because there is a website called budesonideworks.com and this was by the doctor in texas the emergency room physician who came up with the idea but these are things that both my wife and i do on a regular basis and that is the iris gets into your mouth and into your nose and that's where it replicates first and that's why these people end up generally having a severe sore throat because that's where the virus goes but it doesn't go into the bloodstream and go to the lung when you inhale it's if if you were to cough and you had covered and i inhale it the virus that gets into my lungs is not going to be what causes trouble it's going to be the fact that i'm inhaling the viral load that i've developed in my mouth right so the best way is if you've been out in public is to protect other people you get up in the morning and you you swish and deep gargle with one of the uh one of the mouthwashes that has been is labeled 99.9 percent like i guess we're okay with using commercial names list around impress well it says that you are going to be destroying the viral load that got into your mouth and that's going to help you and then certainly if you've been out in public you should do it at night because it uh you know and waiting you know until the next morning is probably still okay because it is a slow growing virus as far as the nose is concerned there's desonide spray it's the brand name is rhinocort r-h-i-n-o-c-o-r-t and that's two squirts in each nostril along with the mouthwash in the morning and at night that is a steroid and that apparently blocks the response and that is part of the problem with how coronavirus is so vastly different from hiv hiv attacks and compromises the immune system coronavirus actually harnesses the immune system and it's when it gets into the nose into the mouth and then into the lungs it excites and this is the cdc you can go there and it will explain it i'm not just making this up it is fearful that it excites a cytokine release that essentially is like the immune system screaming to itself the sky is falling and then it essentially attacks the virus in the lung but it's like burning down the house to get rid of the mice it essentially damages the lungs so you're getting a an immune damage that's why these medicines work with uh with psoriasis and lupus because these are autoimmune we have the immune system attacking the host so these are all steps that people can take along with zinc okay unfortunately you have to get about 50 milligrams it's not just the recommended daily amount which is somewhere around 11 to 14. and uh aspirin uh baby aspirin is fine if you can take it but those to me are proactive measures the no spray the mouthwash the zinc and the aspirin are things that i think everyone can do and then of course weight loss and better control of of your diabetes of your hypertension uh people that have got hypertension and heart issues if they don't have a blood pressure monitor at home please go get one and make sure your medicine is working right these are just common things make yourself a less attractive target to the virus right boy what what great what great advice wouldn't it have been nice if the coronavirus task force had said that first you know and we and we can talk in future conversations about the efficacy of masks and social distancing you know they they all kind of make sense to me i i i understand why sometimes people are are asking you to do these things that there's some control aspect to this but wouldn't it have been nice for all of us to hear your common sense uh conversation about the things that we can do to to uh you know make ourselves healthier so that because we're going to deal with this virus and other viruses in our lifetime this is not the last one it wasn't the first one and we're going to do this probably every year a couple years we're going to come in with something and if we were in a if we're in a much better state uh health state uh we'd be a lot easier to to fight these things off so thank you dr garvin for all that great information i have more questions than you can possibly answer uh so the next time that we meet it'll probably be longer we'll talk about we'll talk about masks and the efficacy and the whole social distancing which led us to locking down a lot of places you know we it's okay for us to go into a lowe's but it's not okay for us to go to church uh that's gonna be a real interesting one for us uh so thank you very much for all that great information and if you could say one thing to to your viewers uh to kind of end this and set us up for the next uh for the next show what would what other advice would you give us well i would say this dale that my primary focus is having dealt as a surgeon and as a physician with cancers with people with recurrent extremely difficult medical problems something my patients have taught me is what you don't want to do you want to empower them you want them they want to be part of the solution and common sense tells you that these people want to do something it's a battle they're being invaded and the things that you are bringing out of me thank you with the discussion it has been the sum total of my desire so that the patients go away from my office feeling like i can do this i've got i've got marching orders i've got my ammunition i've got my bullets i got my gun and i'm going to go i'm going to take some viral but yep and that's what we should be doing instead of this constant fear mongering god bless you for that because that's you know if if we can get people to to feel like you said empowered and positive and i can do this my body's strong enough to be able to do that um i think that i think that helps a lot of us with uh with our ailments uh the fear is is just it's depressing it's kind of you know you can't you can't solve this we'll be around with a vaccine in a few a year or so so just hang on uh i hate that i hate the attitude that uh that we're getting on a daily basis with this information that's just beating us down and making us fearful about something that we should be able to use good knowledge that you're bringing us and do some things for ourselves to protect ourselves and our families so thank you thank you so much for that uplifting message um and we'll see you next time and like i said i'm going to have i'm going to have lots of questions for you next time so thank you very much i look forward to it thank you all right thank you dr garvin have a great day