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all right well welcome and thank you for joining us um for our 50th anniversary year of special collections and archives at georgia state university we are having a conversation today with six of our community partners and contributors contributors to the special collections and archives at georgia state so i will go ahead and introduce each one of them first is lucy draper she is a founding mother of our women's collections we have bob scar who is the founding dire founding archivist from the atlanta symphony orchestra we have tyson deal curator of her father steven diehl's photographic collection franklin abbott who is our um i'm going to have to cheat here a second long time community activist in the lgbtq plus community as well as a first time our first donor to the gender and sexuality archives um we have lily pabian the executive director of we love buhi and judith thompson who is the ceo of south carolina nurses association so welcome to you all so i have a series of a couple questions to ask you and feel free to jump in i'm going to start with our first question lucy if you want to go ahead and answer the question is why is it important to you or your organization to preserve your collections 50 years ago when i began my feminist activity i noticed that the unsung heroines in the movement were not documenting the prices that they were paying and the work that they were doing and i felt that the important role that i played in the various organizations that i founded was to encourage women to save their work product in their collections and that their collections were of value 50 years later to a person when we asked them to give their collections to georgia state university they agreed to do that we didn't receive but one no and we are still working with her and expect her to give her collection also anyone feel free to jump in oh well christina i'll be glad to talk about why i think it's important to preserve the atlanta symphony orchestra mark yeah first of all i want to thank you uh for the invitation uh and also a shout out to mourinho for all of her good uh leadership over the years that i've known her um the atlanta symphony orchestra the archives tells the um tells the story of one of the uh one of the largest performing arts groups in the in the southeast the atlanta symphony orchestra is under the umbrella of the uh woodruff art center which includes a high museum in the alliance theater but uh the archive clearly documents the the achievements of this of the four past music directors uh we have uh in a lot of ways the collection parallels the growth of the city of atlanta um we have a wonderful uh collaboration with uh uh with georgia state as far as uh helping us to digitize the collection and make it available to a lot of different entities which i'd love to talk about a little bit later jump on that well jump on hi everyone i'm lily pabian i'm the executive director of we love buhay that is beaufort highway i think that a lot of people know beaufort highway especially if you you are an atlanta native like myself um we are we partnered with um the special collections with georgia state university i believe since 2017 i came on board around 2019 as the new executive director but absolutely it's it's it's the cornerstone it has become the cornerstone of our mission of preserving the multicultural uh culture of beaufort highway that's been around for 40 plus years i actually grew up on beaufort highway back in the late 70s and so just seeing the changes the you know i think atlanta's that's one thing atlanta is is known for is uh certainly the the the evolving um changes of the city and and its people and um it's just super important that you know immigrants have played such a huge part of the growth and the vibrancy um i mean they pretty much brought the world to the south so it is uh certainly a very uh special place in a lot of people's hearts um and the stories themselves is really what encapsulates it and and to humanize it um because i think that even the word immigrant has had its share of just you know biases and stereotypes and so we really are trying to utilize use these stories as a way to humanize and to break down barriers and that's just something that's super important for us so thank you so much we're so happy to i'm so happy to be part of the the 50th celebration thank you all right i i also am very happy to be part of the celebration um prior to uh working with warner and the the former director stephen zeitz i really i knew that archives existed but i didn't know that they were so dynamic and uh i'm a collector of things uh i had boxes and boxes and boxes of letters and memorabilia some of which i had received from friends who died in the aids epidemic and one of the cautionary tales for me was that during that time before i had an understanding of archives many people simply disappeared when they died many artists and writers and and people who had great deal when they died you know their papers just went to the dump and um so they are forgotten what they contributed is forgotten and i was i was hanging on to little bits and pieces feeling you know overly responsible really um so steve and warner arrived at my house and uh they something that they liked very much that i thought was weird was they liked all the unsorted stuff because they could then sort it and organize it and and i am not a very well organized person like i say i kept it all but it was you know hitherther and yawn and and boxes would be dumped into boxes over a long period of time so i was delighted uh to you know let these letters and papers and memorabilia go to a place where they could find a home uh where there were no bugs that would get in them no dampness that would get them and i can now park my car in my garage which is uh it's a thrill so i really appreciate being there i think as a writer and an activist my legacy is what i've done and you know this is the best thing that could happen to me and by extension to a lot of my fellow activists and writers that i have worked with and i have saved their letters and save their work i was just out of the blue the mother of a deceased friend called me yesterday her son jude saint martin was an african-american writer who had lived in atlanta and who died oh maybe a decade ago and she said do you still have any of jude's writing and i said well there's there's a file at the uh archive at georgia state university that has his name on it and has many of his fine pieces of writing in it it is preserved and it really touched her so thank you thank you for having us thank you franklin tyson or judith do you want to jump in on this question um yeah i think that was a good segue franklin um to where i am and and what i am about and what i've donated to georgia state's archives so thank you christina for having us this is exciting opportunity and happy happy anniversary happy birthday george's day all right guys um my dad's name was steve deal and he passed away in 2012 and he was a photojournalist for the atlanta journal and constitution from 1971 on until the late 90s so almost 30 years and my dad did not throw one thing away and after he passed away um well actually before he died um he he went in great health and he he was very depressed and i ran across some boxes of photographs like just photos and i i saw like the most handsome photograph of paul newman i've ever seen i saw a watergate i saw i mean just amazing photographs and i was like dad did you take these and he said oh yeah and i'm like these are the most amazing thing i've ever seen why are these in boxes and he's like oh no nobody cares about that you know like but so his life and his his art was in all of these boxes and so i encouraged him um like we have to do something with these and he didn't make it and we didn't together be able to to come out with anything together with the photographs but um they're such a treasure and um it's almost 30 years of atlanta's history and in all this stuff from the 70s early 70s on and i really just you know my dad just thought he was just a person with a camera but he had this amazing eye and he was able to capture um people's essences and like just who they were in this beautiful beautiful way that his because of his humility and how humble he was um he it's not out there and it wouldn't be out there if i you know if i wouldn't you know release it to the world and so that's what i'm really thankful for is the opportunity to share my dad's work and for people to to see who he was through his eye of photography and it's also to me that the end of an era is what he represented of a print photography of film photography and um and that whole news um the newspaper and the hustle and the bustle and that that media that we are so far away from and i just it's amazing and in just his little pieces of paper of his assignments that that his editor gave to him and and like his list of who he you know what he covered this day and that day like to me those are just i don't know i couldn't throw them away so i was just thankful that there's somewhere for them and that maybe someone can find something valuable in them but i i just i'm so thankful to have a home for my dad's collection judy said do you want to respond or do you want to go to the next year certainly um i came to the south carolina nurses association in about 1984 and um noticed that there were boxes and boxes and boxes of things all over our at that point very large office and um began to do some exploring and found out very quickly that there was this wonderful place in georgia that had already taken some materials from the south carolina nurses association so i really didn't have to do too much exploring which was a good thing because frankly we didn't have anything that's comparable here in south carolina that i could discover so so this was a really great gift to us and um it astounded me to find out that i had gone to work for an organization that was over 100 years old and um it it really um brought all kinds of excitement to me to think about how people went around in wagons and with horses and came for meetings i i was enchanted by the whole idea i i'm a very active member of several organizations myself and i just didn't see myself even at that time you know the concept of getting on a horse and riding to colombia to do some politicking was a bit more than i was able to deal with so this was a truly remarkable kind of an activity i am not a nurse myself which is what lots of people ask um are you a nurse no the last person you want by your bed is me but it it really is the kind of thing where um i've always had a great admiration for nurses and uh part of it had to do with my upbringing and a nurse that was very very prominent in my life very positively so this was just a great opportunity but i had gotten to know the opportunity of being with the nurses association because of my political activities and one of the members of the organization of the university of south carolina college of nursing had invited me to teach about politics i mean how a bill becomes a law and i thought oh my doesn't everybody know that and found out quite quite quickly no no everybody doesn't know that so it was a wonderful combination of of just a sort of serendipitous activities and that was just before we were getting ready to go to live in china for a year which was a fascinating experience too but i came back and i thought ah i had worked in china doing what i had gone to college for and that was music and um that was fun and i came back and i thought i don't want to do this for the rest of my life and that's when this job popped up in the newspaper and i knocked on the door and said i would like to interview and they said good we'd like to have you so it's been that kind of interesting sort of a thing and from then on um it's been a wonderful growth experience to watch how people who are so dedicated to taking care of other people in their careers are learning on a regular basis to take the skills that they have and move them forward so that we can move nursing forward in our state and hopefully in the nation so that's what's been very exciting and you all have been a wonderful help to us because you have taken some of those valuable pieces of information that we have gathered through the years and have kept them in a place that will make them secure so thank you well thank you and judith if you don't mind i'd like to kick off the next question with you because i think it's a really good segue um so who would you like to see using your collections well i would like to see anyone who is interested in women's issues anyone who is interested in nursing issues of course and anyone who's interested in looking at the growth and development of organizations and the growth and development of women in healthcare and so i think those would be some some really good kinds of people to to take a look at what is available for one organization in one state out of 50 but one that's been around for a long time anybody want to follow up how you would like to see your collections used oh i would love to follow up with that the uh atlanta symphony orchestra collection is already being used uh by the aso uh staff uh when we're doing uh our writing our program notes or uh highlighting musicians or we sometimes we need to go back into the scrapbooks or the concert programs which by the way we have an entire collection complete collection of all the concert programs from 1945 to to this past march and uh it's they're all they're all almost digitized and uh you can view them online um so but the they the aso staff relies a lot on that uh the musicians they love to be able to go back and we have uh all of our audio files from 1974 to present digitize even some before that into the 60s when henry shopkin was the music director but anyway so the musicians love to be able to go back and hear hear uh their performances or or the interpretation of what the conductor was trying to do during that concert and we have patrons that call all the time saying bob i'd love to have a photograph of the one that you have with me and yo yo ma and blah blah blah you know so uh and but what's really touching is uh sometimes you get um kids who said uh hey my dad or my mom i sang in the aso chorus or played in the orchestra and i want my grandchildren to know a little bit more about about them so so you know we go back into the into the into the files and and we're able to find pictures and recordings of them and most recently we have researchers from other schools working on their musicology thesis and so they they rely heavily on the scrapbooks which kudos to to your team and kevin especially in getting the grant to digitize some scrapbooks from the 40s and 50s early 60s so uh yeah our collections have being used a lot in addition to the scholars who use the women's collection and we've been very impressed by how many have both undergraduate graduate and faculty i would like to encourage outreach into the community particularly from the 5th through the 12th grade and develop curriculum and instruction models for the georgia public and private schools um to encourage them to use these collections particularly because so many of them are now online and uh in the beginning i had mixed feelings about the collections being online but now i think it's a blessing and i would like to see that expanded into the public and private school communities well i echo that from bob um and um and it's just it's just a very important um thing is be able to pass this forward on to the next generation of students of um you know scholars because one of the things we i did recently was do a a zoom with um georgia state university it was a classroom and we talked a lot about you know um immigrants and and you know particularly with covet and the disproportionate impacts um and i think it's super and i started getting these follow-up texts and messages from students which really surprised me um but they reached out and said you know how much these stories um really got them to think about their own parents about their own parents journeys or maybe their grandparents and um i think it's super important for people just to know um heritage and history i think those are two things that are really important to ground us um so yeah i i think that we definitely want the the youth but we also want policy makers people that you know that create the world the you know the people that run the world um you know for them to do this type of deep dive i mean ultimately this is research this is really um learning and and and in a very um boots to the ground way and it's very very testimonial and anecdotal but those are the things where particularly with our project and and listening to people's voices um and it's one thing to read things but it's very different when you actually hear the voices of those experiences and and the points of decisions people had to make what were they feeling what were they thinking what made them shift a certain way um i think all of those are super important and i would like um more policy people and makers to um i welcome them to listen to our stories i was just graduating from high school when the stonewall riots occurred uh which marked the beginning of the modern gay movement and so the things that i have collected go back to that time um and you know it's it's it's an unusual thing i think to be sort of at the have awareness at the beginning of a movement that has come so far you know since 1969 um and i think that not only for younger people whose experiences are very different uh for them to be able to say well what was it like and uh you know to read letters or to hear interviews i've done a lot of oral histories to accompany my collection uh students and graduate students people who are doing re research on the movement and want to know some of the human side of it can certainly delve into the collection um and and there have been some interesting things that have occurred as a consequence of the oral histories um i uh have done a number of oral histories with older uh women and and men um and when these people die uh the families are so so grateful you know to have the oral history that it it gives them something that they can you know it's it's just an amazing thing because it's it's a life review told in the person's own words and georgia state has been really really uh you know top-notch in terms of collecting oral histories uh which is a wonderful way of preserving uh stories that you know once somebody's gone that story is lost um with my father's collection steve deal i i just hope that people who are looking for something like his images can find them students researchers historians artists curators i mean i think i just would like for it to have a life of its own i guess um more than i could ever imagine or you know more than would be if it were sitting in a closet somewhere you know um but um there's just so many images like who is that maybe somebody knows you know so um that's that's what i would love to see but for it to be used and appreciated um and just you know the history is is kept alive through the images hey christina yes uh i want to comment uh say something to tyson uh there's a lot of times uh we're looking for photographs uh that that are related to the atlanta symphony orchestra that we don't have or can't find and i can't tell you how many times kevin has gone into the to the photograph collection and i'm just i bet some of the photographs that i've seen came from you your dad so i bet so yeah i'm sure they're in there especially especially the old the old municipal auditorium there on cortland street which is of course part of georgia state now yeah yep i bet you they're in there i mean anybody who's looking for anything atlanta from that era it's very likely in that collection would you root 1000 images and would you remind me of what is his first name again steve and and like okay yeah yeah his byline was steve deal and that was just that simple s-t-e-v-e-d-l-d-e-a-l and i think that brings up a really good point too that a lot of these collections and as you're all talking there's a lot of you know interrelated connections between them um and you know overlapping themes so i think that that's a really uh important thing and i know that when our our students and scholars and and any researcher that's using these collections often times they they think they're going to go with one collection and as they kind of dig into it they start going into all the different collecting areas um and start finding these materials because once once you kind of get in there um you realize that there are all these these extra connections yeah and christina to that point i i'm hoping that uh when some folks are researching the atlanta symphony orchestra archives they also might find uh information that bruce kenney uh the pr president of the american federation i mean atlanta federation of musicians has signed indeed a gift to uh i guess is lisa valen right and and those two collections uh are so integrated in so many ways so um plus uh uh suzanne shaw has uh donated her robert shaw collection uh i think that just took place here in the last couple of weeks so wow yeah it's really exciting well bob i'm gonna i'm gonna kick the next question to you actually and kind of keep keep going on this theme so combining resources with a public institution makes this an important collaboration between your organization and us what about this collaboration is productive beyond just keeping the records within the community or you and for those of you who have personal collection in your personal collection so what is it um about this collaboration well i mean initially uh uh when i was trying to put the archives together in their in 19 2012 i brought in all the leading atlanta archivists uh for as an advisory group and they all to uh suggested there's only two places that your collection needs to go to and it's either going to be should be georgia state or the university of georgia and georgia state is only five stops on marta so that was a no-brainer but it's just first of all it's the professionalism of the staff it's the knowledge that you have in how you how to properly digitize and preserve items uh hey i didn't have any space at the woodruff arts center so that's another way i'm not i'm not sure if that's the intention of your question but i we needed we needed uh i can't tell you how many grants that that we we wrote that encouraged us to look for an outside repository in the city of atlanta so uh we did and uh there's more people looking at the collection now because of this collaboration so and just to re-emphasize what i said earlier how how the aso collection there has opened doors for other other collections such as you know the atlanta federation of musicians and the robert shaw documentary material anybody's free to chime in if you want to pick up this question i'll chime in um you know i think it's super it just made sense for us you know being seven miles from seven miles north approximately of downtown atlanta um you know georgia state is a very what the concrete campus right and and it's a beloved concrete campus but it has a large footprint um i think that the fact that it is a public i mean it's a public school um the fact that we definitely you know want to partner um and appreciate the integrity you guys put into this from an academia standpoint you know a lot of our work right now is is certainly filling in the public humanities space and so i think it really and and how we interpret that is is really operationalizing academia all the things of you know society and you know philosophy all of that stuff um it just made the perfect sense for us to partner with you guys and and it's just been such a great journey we're sort of young in this um and so we're learning as we're growing this as well but we are just so happy and grateful to have you all as experts as subject matter experts and guiding us so it's been great and we really appreciate this collaboration i i have to offer mention in the school of music and wade west uh that collaboration there uh has been huge for us huge for us what i have found remarkable about georgia state university is their willingness and almost breathtaking willingness um to collect on controversial or what were considered controversial subjects that was not true in many of the archives that approached me personally for my collection and i did not want to edit any truth out of my collection i wanted the price that women paid uh a personal friend even was driven at west point when we founded west point now uh was driven to take her own life and i felt like i owed these women a great debt and georgia state university was willing the archives special collections was willing to take the risk of total honesty in these collections and for that i am eternally grateful i i feel the same way that i uh whatever has been there has found a place and i also appreciate so much that as a public institution it is open and available to the public and that is not true of many private institutions you have to get lots of different levels of permission to get in uh but i think that you know you you have an amazing staff they they they are enthusiastic uh you know well beyond what's expected it's obviously uh you know a labor of love for many of them and i believe that uh because of that it was not an easy thing for me to to donate my collection um i am also a psychotherapist and i had to go through every box usually with morna or steven zeitz with me to make sure that none of the confidential materials connected to my psychotherapy practice and my clients went into the collection that mean that means i handled have to handle every piece of it um and so much emotion was attached to things you know and i would you know that we'd get a box together and then i'd go look at the box and say oh i can't let go of this and i can't let go of that because there was too much uh attached to it and then i realized is that i just couldn't read those letters i didn't want to throw them away i wanted them to be somewhere that maybe one day i could read them or they could be read you know maybe there will be a ken burns in a future century who will find something useful there find an interesting story an interesting person but you guys just do a wonderful job of helping us to feel absolutely safe and secure that what we are giving you will be well cared for will be used and will be made available and you know that there's there's nothing that that we can present that is going to be too controversial or uh that can't be accepted on its own merits so thank you or tyson do you want to pick that one up or you want to move on to the next question i don't think i have anything to add to that i've just been enchanted by listening to these stories you know you don't know that organizations um have the wealth of background sometimes or how passionate people really are in various and sundry activities it's it's really wonderful and to have a place where that can be highlighted makes a marvelous opportunity for future generations um i agree i i felt like georgia state um was the perfect place for my dad's collection because um well it's and um they already house atlanta journal's um photography collection and it makes sense to keep it together um and my mom graduated from georgia state university with her phd in reading instruction so that's pretty cool so i grew up running around georgia state as a kid um in the library and all over the place so it it's like a homey feeling place to me um it's really close to the ajc downtown the old offices and um and i have this vision of um that beautiful space um where all the tables are and the windows that overlook the city and just people sitting down um with my dad's photographs um with some gloves on or something but like just searching through them to find you know what they're looking for like my dad covered um all the era equal rights amendment things um there's beautiful amazing photographs of the um the like picket lines and all sorts of stuff at the capitol and then he also covered the vietnamese refugees who came to atlanta and there's some incredible photographs of that um gay rights there's amazing photographs of parades and um i know there's got to be symphony photographs and just it's it's like there's something for everybody who has ever come through atlanta and it's in there somewhere so i just love the idea of people digging through it to find it tyson i definitely want to go through your father's archives my father actually and you know i don't this was in the 70s but it was when dong xiaoping was coming here to visit and my father was part of the group that was picketing against that um and they all showed up at jimmy carter's home and i remember watching it on a black and white tv i was we were in new york at the time we were moving down here but he was down here first and i remember seeing my father on tv in this tiny little box he was shaking he was so passionate about what he was saying what he believed in and i was i looked for i went to the jimmy carter museum and i looked at some pictures of the visit when do shopping came here but oh my gosh i was so hoping to see my father and so i'm gonna be looking my father unfortunately passed away from covid this year last year 2020. so i am just so ex just can't wait to look through that so thank you for for donating that oh thank you that this is this is just such a great conversation i feel like we could keep going um so tyson i'm going to toss the next question out to you um what what current archival gaps do you see oh sorry i didn't mean tyson i meant lily um sorry dyson you can jump in too but i want to i want to kick it off with lily sorry i um what current archival gaps do you see in your community for example are there things that you wish were collected or should be collected you know there's a lot of complexities within our communities because we are a community of multicultural multiculturalism we've got you know 26 plus languages spoken here um so trust is a big piece of it i don't know if that's necessarily a gap but it's certainly something we have to work hard at to achieve to to obtain the trust i think there's also a lot of um you know people don't understand the the magnitude perhaps that their story or they don't unders you know understand who's going to listen to me why is my why is my story important you know so really trying to educate and to raise that awareness of the importance of this project you know we tend to we tend to uh put our heads down and and go our day to days but this whole project speaks to something greater something larger and i think that that is the piece that we are trying to those are the gaps we try to to fill um you know with through our work of advocacy and you know it takes a conversation at a time so if anything else i think it's time more time um would be great because uh that that is that is the area that that we really need to work through yeah and christina for me it's the the oral history and we have bits and pieces in the collection but uh i i have to do a better job of of organizing that that uh part of the collection with people that are alive today and uh and there's a i think like what lily said there's a little bit of an issue with time but but that's got to be front and center uh going forward i mean i mean so many musicians that are retired they have wonderful stories to tell about conductors that they performed under they have wonderful stories to tell about artists they have stories that maybe they shouldn't say about conductors and artists that are just fascinating to listen to a lot of really good backstage banter going on and uh it's uh it needs to be captured i think there's so many stories uh in the lgbtq plus community uh that it's it's hard to collect them all um we you know like any community we're full of older people and if they if if we don't get to them and get their story uh that story is going to be for the most part lost certainly lost as an ark a life story and what i would encourage you guys at georgia state to do is is perhaps to work with various departments that would be connected with these different collections and train some students to do oral histories you know i i have tried to encourage other people to learn to do it i will continue to do it because it's so important and every time somebody dies and i haven't gotten their story i just you know it's kind of like a you know a little bit of a heartbreak for me because i i so value that uh my my own mother died this past uh august and i had gotten her story and uh you know so it's a treasure it's a treasure for me and for my family and for anybody who wants to understand what being the mother of a gay man was like um it's a you know it's just part of how the you know these different collections can expand the way that history is is shared in the future will be both what's in the newspaper uh so to speak whatever the newspaper is and these stories you know the stories are so important and i think uh some of the stories that i've been able to record were from some of the first people from india who came to atlanta and that the story of you know like dr prateen uh desai who who recently died he was one of the first indian professors at georgia state or sorry georgia tech and he came over on a boat and you know there were no indian restaurants there was there was not an indian community how did he and and then bringing his his new wife over here how did they make it you know what was their grit what was their fortitude what was their story because that was such a the first immigrants were so brave you know because they came over here and often not knowing anyone and and struggling with the culture so those are fascinating stories and we have to get those frank let's join forces other thoughts on archival gaps in the collections i think um there might be more outreach into rural communities uh i grew up on a remote south georgia farm i was a country doctor's daughter uh down in south georgia on near the florida line and a number of women stepped out in these communities during the women's movement and risked their jobs their marriages their reputations and paid great prices um eva parker from uh middle uh rural georgia thank goodness was one of our founding mothers she has now passed away but gave one of the most powerful oral histories uh in the collection and before these women who are my age which is 80 um are no longer with us i would like that they be sought out and that their voices be recorded i'm going to move on to the the last question that i have for you all what other resources do you see lacking in your own communities or personally to preserve your future christina for me it's without a doubt records management schedule i i need to do a better job of capturing the the important documents from each of the of the different divisions of the of the orchestra in other words the marketing the development the artistic planning the uh education areas uh and a lot of us born digital and how do we how do we uh extrapolate that and and bring it in into an ad to uh kevin's workload i i agree the the the digital part is really important um i'm still putting pieces of paper in boxes and saving them for morning and periodically delivering those but i i have offered and and you know we started a process like so many processes that was interrupted by covid um to you know basically let you download my computer because so much of my correspondence from the past 15 years you know has been online and that stuff also has value it's part of the story uh i i feel like my story is in the middle of a lot of stories and i've encouraged some of the some of my my friends like cal goff who is uh you know active with the archives as well to give their letters you know we we just did an interview with cal so that you know the it's i said well you know we'll be in good company after we're dead our stuff will be together um so i want the digital stuff there too i think that's really important anyone else want to pick up on that lily how many of the newspapers from the communities out on beaufort highway have been collected and archived um we i know we tried at one point um but the interview the interviewee the subject she after hearing her voice just wasn't comfortable um but no i mean i think that that's a really really um great point is looking at the hyperlocal media groups that are here um these sort of grassroots um particularly with within the latino immigrant groups there's there's a lot of these uh publications that are out there for them so i think that's a really good um that's a really good point frank well i i encourage the people at cobber which is the indian magazine you know to you know participate in giving copies to the archive again because that's just a you know you know one person's death or the fire in a house you know everything could be gone and uh it's such a vital part of the history i think that you know probably the most interesting and vital thing that has been happening in atlanta over the past several decades has been the emergence of immigrant communities it's just made a whole difference in terms of how atlanta sits and with that there is because you know a little bit back to the gaps is you have so many micro micro these ecosystems and and you know and they are i mean immigrants tend to stay within their particular ethnic group i mean that's kind of a natural thing right you speak the same language you eat the same foods um and so part of our work also is to we don't serve a specific demographic we really do serve the co the collective multicultural um that is beaufort highway and and really trying to identify and raise awareness of those sent those community centers because there are numerous ones you know chinese community center is the one that i've been tied to uh just because my father was one of the original founders with you know his again coming together into this country trying to figure out who are my people who's my who what's my where's my community um and how do i feel connected to them so yeah there's a lot there's definitely a lot of of work for us to do um i think what we lack is human resources and um and time those are the two things that uh seem to be you know slowing us down but we we we definitely want to push forward um at a faster rate is it because you're right it's so important and once when a life goes i mean there's so much of that history that is just gone you know i was watching i know i was watching antique roadshow which is my husband and i's favorite thing to do and um there was this one segment that was so fascinating this man brought up that his great great grandmother was actually the first female aviator you know before millie earhart and how she designed her own plane and how she flew it and all of this stuff that nobody knew about and they said you know well the the father burned everything one night in a fire never talked about it again but here the this guy comes with this collection so there's so many hidden gems in in in these stories and and they're just so significant each and every one of them um to the listener so yeah for sure hey i want to do a shout out to georgia state uh they they house the great speckled bird collection uh that was an underground newspaper from i guess this late 60s to the mid 70s uh so uh that's cool and we recently got creative loafing as well that's right that's right that's right yeah yeah and you have cole porter you know what's that what's that franklin johnny mercer johnny mercer the johnny mercer collection that's so important he was he was such a figure yeah including a lot of those sort of napkin scribbles and things that never actually made it into music and um our students are are turning them into songs it's great played by joe granston and his band that's so cool to hear about creative loafing i remember interviewing cliff bostock when i was in journalist when i was in journal journalism school at george state i know he's still around but that's that's really great yeah it's like i said a lot of it's great because a lot of these things all interconnect and um i you know for us we're just so excited to build these partnerships and maintain them and just watch this this magnificent archive just just continue to grow you know we started like i said 50 years ago in 1971 we did an oral history project over the summer with several former employees of special collections and archives and our founder dr david gracie you know he said when he arrived you know they had this idea but there was no physical space the the then library director handed him a box and said here you go so you know like one box of stuff um and and now we've got four storage areas and just millions of things so it's it's incredible um you know how we've grown over the last 50 years and i'm really excited to see you know how we continue to grow going forward so i want to thank you all for for joining us this afternoon does anybody have any final things they'd like to say that maybe we missed in our conversation well i hope that when there's the 100th anniversary of the archive is celebrated that we'll be there because you've done this christina in some way shape or form i i hope that you all will be there thank you thank you for the opportunity and thank you all and i hope you'll have a great afternoon