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thanks for joining us for another awesome software cooperative meetup today we're going to be talking about um starting a co-op and it's based on a document from the it's a fci guide it's related to food co-ops but we think it'd be has a lot of relevant information for starting co-ops in general and um this is going to be going over the pivotal steps for starting a co-op and josh will be leading us through that okay great um you have thanks for the intro oh nice okay cool oh yeah i do right so uh let's see here we go so okay welcome everyone um so um we shared some reading material uh several days ago it's a guide provided by the fci fci is um stands for the food co-op initiative they are a cooperative located in um i actually forget well okay they're in the u.s they're upstate somewhere but they have a wealth of resources for anyone with questions like to fulfill whatever curiosity you may have about not only food co-ops and starting them but um just information for co-ops in general they do it all for free it's a non-profit um they have tons of resources and they're very good they offer classes workshops grants at sometimes special points for uh getting started not only that you can even call them they're pretty dedicated to helping out the community and so um as far as cooperatives go that's the spirit investing back into the community the cooperative community and uh they're really embodying that and so i don't know anyone personally there i i just happened to come across them on the web and i think it was just a gem to come across and so um i see that they i started they had the fci guy to start in the food co-op and it's um i took a look at it it's pretty well detailed it's about 120 pages including the um the sources and appendixes and so maybe about 100 uh pages but uh it's a pretty nice read if uh anyone hasn't had a chance to go through it i uh and you have an interest in figuring out how to get started with a co-op whether it's a food co-op or not if it's just a co-op in general i think that you can apply the principles and values and in their approach to doing this thing to pretty much almost any type of cooperative okay and so uh that's the reading material and a little background about where i got it from um and the next thing on the agenda is reveal mind map usually we will have a mind map when we go through these book reviews or um topics i switched it up a little bit this time with a with an outline well maybe i shouldn't did that looking at this formatting but i think we'll be able to get through it um so starting out just a bit about how their approach works and then i think we can dive in but they outline this thing and um they break it down in a few steps high level they center it around cooperative and developing the sorry they centered the development process for cooperatives and four cornerstones uh within three stages of their development model and so those four cornerstones are vision talent capital and systems from there there's three stages of development in which each stage encompasses a vision talent capital and system section those three stages of development are the organization stage the assessing the feasibility and plan stage and finally the implementation stage and so just like with any business that or endeavor that someone um wants to embark on cooperatives are no different sorry go ahead okay um so um within each stage there there are um so um i'm not let me see uh let me see i might uh be having some difficulties can everyone see my screen okay or no is it uh oh yeah yeah okay the screen i thought you're experiencing the doc um yeah so i guess let me um i'm gonna let me uh the doc doesn't have too much in it let me um let me link to the let me show you guys my outline so um it's still showing the slides here josh yeah i'm gonna um one second and boom boom can you guys see that now let's get a little steps and outline yeah great um thanks for that um so starting with their um with the development process um um they have three stages so organization assess assessing the feasibility and the plan of your initiative as well as the implementation stage and just like with any other business model or business that you're starting there are um a lot of steps that would be great for you to start out with not necessarily needed but um if you go through the process it it you know traditionally you know will lower your chances of failure but um right before we go into those stages if anyone isn't familiar with like cooperatives in general uh i took a few things from that guy just to touch on them high level and these values and definitions that i have here are from the international cooperative principle are called the international cooperative principles that are from the international cooperative alliance um effect essentially cooperative is a business voluntarily owned and controlled by people who use it it's owners it's operated primarily for the benefit of its owners to meet the mutu their mutual needs um and from there we can go into a definition that is of a cooperative which is an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic social and cultural needs aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically controlled enterprise um now we can see several values that cooperatives all in general for the most part in the body and so here at vault and if anyone has any comments or just want to step in or or have anything to say don't feel shy about just speaking up uh i definitely like this to be a a uh a conversation a discussion um so here at valk we are a software cooperative we have four core partners myself taylor lucina and watson are all on the call right now and we have a a larger network of associates and that we work with on a daily basis located all around the world we've been in business for several years now and we we go through these software cooperative meetups every month to discuss different challenges throughout the growth of our uh cooperative um and as well as um because this this is a growing this is a it's a it's a growing and living thing we have to figure out how to work best together how to decide decisions how to make decisions and um in a democratic and fair way um it's it's a pretty fun time figuring these things out and it can be challenging too but you know challenges can be fun and so i say all that to say with volk is that when i read through this guide i saw a lot of similarities between us and the approach that the fci is taking to cooperatives and if anyone has you know finds anything interesting that we talk about or have any points about your your experience especially if you're a part of a cooperative as well yeah please uh speak up so uh just diving right in uh with their four cornerstones in three stages of development um they were developed by consultants at the cooperative development services uh to demonstrate critical components every startup needs to consider throughout the various stages in their development so that four cornerstones are vision talent capital and systems so vision is effectively what any business needs uh and leader or endeavor you have to know what are you trying to do what's your idea and not only that you have to be able to effectively communicate your idea to all stakeholders not only the members of the cooperative but the stakeholders outside your customers the people in your community that you're going to be serving whether that is the people around the neighborhood of a food cooperative or that um clients in a software development space um or maybe that's a bank or whatever you have to have a a vision and it has to be effectively communicated so that everyone knows is on the same page with what you're trying to achieve and what you stand for talent is effectively it is what it sounds like it's about the not only uh what are you gonna bring to the table what are your strengths what are your skills and uh what are you doing to get stronger and develop those strengths especially with a co-op you're going to be trusted so for context um when we talk about some things this is a food cooperative right and so this is not only a um you have a few a couple different membership tiers i guess i would say tears but there are um member owners or owner members um however you would like to say it so people who are actually involved with the growth and the um people who are actually involved with the growth and the development of the cooperative and then you also have consumers and so in this instance with the food cooperative you can pay a an initial um i believe they call it uh it's like a member fee and then you'll receive you know certain benefits being a part of that network uh about being a part of that cooperative so as far as with talent you have to have skills you have to have strength um or at least be able to identify those um but then you also have to know where your weaknesses are and if you're developing your first cooperative it'd be great to get some expert assistance so that you can use these specialists to prevent you from making you know costly mistakes because cooperative is a different business models and um you know a traditional hierarchical style uh structure and with that you know you can have it's going to be different legal advice financial advice that you would get but then there's a lot of crossover as well like you're still going to need market analysis strategic planning leadership training and store design because just like any other business cooperative is intended to succeed and that's going to you're going to have to make it in the market where every business is competing just like a cooperative is third is capital you have to have money um food co-ops start typically they startups typically raise between 50 and 60 of their necessary capital from their owners through equity and loans the rest come from fundraising commercial lenders and other sources according to fci you'll need enough working capital to keep the business afloat until your positive cash flow so that's around one to two years according to their numbers these guys in the guide actually have a a couple of case studies that are nice um pretty nice success stories where cooperative cooperatives have gotten started and that's that startup time sometimes may take a couple of years going through this process gathering support raising money um getting a solid network together but once these companies these cooperatives have gotten on their feet and opened their doors they have exceeded their expectations and so um it's it's pretty cool i i'd advise anyone to check them out and um but the last um last cornerstone that these guys have um is systems uh systems are very important because this is how the day-to-day operations are managed with the cooperative they are how you decide you're going to come to decisions how to resolve conflict when it arises how to deal with a group because this isn't a top-down structure where a boss tells everyone what to do this is a democratic structure where we um have to make decisions together and as far as work is concerned we have weekly governance meetings where we discuss operations with the business different uh we exercise our voting rights to decide direction and discuss different uh topics and things that have come up with the business we use uh robert's rules um to discuss and talk respect each other's time and to actually uh move through meetings efficiently we found that to be very good we've used that for several years but those are the type of systems that you got to put in place to uh make something like this work and also like plan for the future the three stages are organizing feasibility and planning feasibility and planning as well as implementation and with each stage there is a part for to discuss a vision of talent capital and systems and we're going to step into that a bit for each stage but before we dive in does anyone have any comments or anything or insights from their experience for me i like the the principles one of the things that was that stood out to me as a voluntary and open membership cooperatives are voluntary organizations open to all persons able to use their service services and willing to accept the responsibilities of membership without gender social racial political religious discrimination so that principle when someone says open membership it's almost like wait a minute open like anyone can join if they you know no matter what even if you don't have the capacity to accept new people or um is it a thing where people vote people in that that principle was one that stood out to me is oh okay i was a little bit worried about it but i think the way that they put it it was basically you can't discriminate and that's why it's in there this is like i think the history of these principles that one wasn't in there like a hundred years ago or something like that so um i think that's why it's in there but i don't think all orgs can can sustain everyone being a part of the org so that's something that i think should be um i guess thought about when you're starting the cooperative and i know that this uh document is supposed to be about consumer cooperatives at least that's what they said in the initial portion so um we're a worker cooperative but that's it okay uh yeah i um i really like that aspect too um especially um um considering that they uh i love that i mean the cooperatives should be opening and when they are they um that's how you get the best talent as well um and you're able to you know grow to be the most efficient um does anyone else have any have anything that they'd like to add hey my name is rick guys how're you doing i'm good good this is my first time here and uh i'm just kind of gotten into software development last couple years coming from another career so um uh that aspect is fairly new to me i i do run a we have an old 100 family property that's uh up in maine that i i am the uh president of the managing body so i've had some experience the last 10 years just putting things together it's essentially a not for profit just trying to make enough money to keep the property maintained and going and uh one of my experiences when we did start to formalize this whole process was how important it is to to be organized and to document things and um to your point about making it open to everybody i think that's a great a great um vision and i think it only works if kind of the expectations are clearly laid out for everybody so everybody knows what the expectations are and the guidelines of well thought out so that um in advance so that it runs smoothly i think uh you know you can be more successful that way so yeah i like that i've worked on boards where robert's rules were used and i think it's it's a good way to go it feels a little formal but it's it sets the norm so people know what to expect and it gives a process for it to go in a way that's um collaborative so that's all i have to say it's great yeah nice thanks sure yeah go ahead watson oh no that was just a great contribution what what all was the property for uh it's are you managing it's it's uh just it's a summer camp that was like great grandfather first about 100 years ago it's it's 80 acres up in the coast of maine and it's um i mean there's a bunch of cabins on it and the way it was set up it was just spread out to the families each generation there's more and more members and um you know for a couple generations they just kind of maintained it in a very informal way and that got just too untenable as people moved out across the country and moved away um so we turned it into an llc a not-for-profit llc about 20 years ago and we just finished rewriting the guidelines it's basically for family members it's used a lot but um just things like you know how do you fund the place um how you've got some people who who are fan naturally doing pretty well some people who who aren't so how much do you expect from some people to contribute to part of the membership yeah that's really interesting i'd like to hear more about uh sometime more about some of the i guess some of the pains do you all have had to work through and how you're managing things in a democratic fashion you said there was a 100 you said 100 years but how many people are involved with it so at this point there's about 20 about 30 members who are who are interest interest legally interested members from about it's three generations right now very interesting yeah so some of these um as far as equitability and talking about fair division and fairness um some of the same concepts within cooperatives would apply to some of the things that you all have probably been dealing with so we have other material talking about some of these things so i'll be glad to talk to you about some of that at some other time okay yeah okay yes that's pretty cool um and and like you were saying rick uh the uh robert's rules does seem a bit formal and um i mean to be honest in practice we may not you know we don't have a book in front of us going through these uh you know going through the rules directly by the book however we try to stick close just because um otherwise we've seen meetings last way too long and become inefficient and uh it's kind of it disciplines us to be efficient with our meetings um make decisions and uh to get along with moving along in our days um after we're uh doing it because before we implemented that we'd have you know meetings could last several hours and that's just not sustainable for uh business or uh you know um people's energy you know especially thinking of a weekly meeting so um yeah the uh if no one else has anything else um diving in um so how this is so every stage and this book has like five uh chapters i believe this guide has about five chapters and each chap the chapters three through five um essentially go through [Music] the different stages and within each stage they break down the um the core value that um that they've outlined the um and so um well sorry core value the cornerstone so the vision talent capital or the system and so starting out with organizing um so the first steps when you initially have an idea you're trying to organize a cooperative and gather support support around it um well that's why that um that falls on the division cornerstone so you at first you have an idea that's great well get a few people together maybe who may share your um excitement for this and um talk to them about it uh get feedback and and you know make some uh you know maybe outline some tasks that will help you like the research and development process um with your idea uh is uh you know so useful to you know not just think and talk to yourself all day about something that you think is great without talking and uh it's so useful to not talk to yourself and actually get out there and get feedback from other humans but after you do get that small like get some type of support with some people you can bounce ideas off of and and split up tasks to actually see if this is a thing um it's time for like going out in your community and having one-on-one conversations with people about your idea your vision what do you envision what are you trying to do see if uh what you see what the community the community that you're trying to serve see what their interests are see how you can help them see um if what you're thinking is actually on point and get that feedback and that's more than likely going to help steer the direction of where you're trying to go and build this and you're not just building it for yourself you're not just building it for the two or three people who you've brought into your small group but you're building it for a a larger community where you can actually make an impact it's important to know what that community wants um and when you're when you're going out and you're initially talking with people um you should uh be looking to identify potential owners and advocates for your vision for your cooperative some great people uh some great potential owners or advocates can be community leaders people who are already in positions of authority and trust and they can help provide credibility guidance and insight to support your your endeavor um they're great and uh they'll also help to uh uh once they're able to once these local community leaders or local influencers and and the space are able are behind you that would also help to bring in membership um as well but along with that there's several things you you know you want to level you want to measure the level of interest different ways that you can do this is you know conduct surveys and um and just see what type of feedback you get but also with that it's nice to do a feasibility study you know do you want to build a rocket ship to um the moon or uh by yourself or maybe you you like to um build an airplane first you know like is it feasible um at the start and you won't know that until you go and do a study actually figure that out um and so does there some ideas they have is finding out if your vision resonates with the community um do you have the people around you with the time the skills and talent to help you with this um can you raise enough capital um from your uh members and people around you um and uh do you have like suitable locations for this for this um case they're talking about retail grocery stores for the food co-op so is there anywhere in the community that this grocery store could could be you know these are part of the uh the vision process and um it also goes down to building the support network where you can um effectively um as far as the business side goes you know research different cooperative development support options introduce yourself to different lending funds all of these are great things that could help you with the vision talent in the initial stage you want to actually uh these are areas where you key areas where you can convene a core group of develop leadership and identify resources around you convenience steering committee that's um other people that will be you know help you with administrative support possibly even get a web designer having a web presence is extremely important local promoters uh i'm sorry local producers volunteers and promoters and also fiscal sponsors with volk as far as the steering committee i guess that would be probably our the core partners but um in which we talk uh weekly about governance as far as things that concern the direction of the business but we have worked with sponsored before we've been on the other side and tried to sponsor different causes and things in the community before we've had business development partners and relationships these are things that are key really to any business but um when you're democratically deciding these things um there's it there accomplish the conversations that uh that definitely need to be had and worked out um and then that's capital um in the initial stage how are you going to gain capital for this um cooperative that you're building um a lot of um they said they have a lot of suggestions here um of course you're gonna need a budget actually outline uh what are you gonna need money for you can raise money commit resources for organizational costs you can apply for grants develop a member capitalization plan and figure out how to calculate the owner equity requirement all of these things are um pretty liquid you know the uh the fluid options this is not one way to do this and um but it is a necessary step to um to figure out even if that's sweat equity you know you have to see that would be a thing where it's you know through your members and your you know do they are they're going to have time maybe it's just a few people um how are you going to gather that capital and miss systems as well like we mentioned before with robert's rules gotta have they have board meetings here we have weekly governance meetings uh we have reached out for administrative support to help us with things of course we're organizing banks bank and things like that but these are just basic things that need to be done in the beginning and then from there we can go into actually once we're able to do those initial steps we can hop into developing the co-op uh does anyone have any comments before we hop into that about these four um cornerstones in the uh first stage of organization yeah um a lot of this is tuned towards um i guess uh i was talking with someone before about um so where the meetup group is a is a software cooperative and this one is talking about food co-ops so we're talking about products and um a different uh style of cooperative and this one is consumer cooperative but obviously there's a there's a lot that is shared um and then someone just asked a question maybe well we'll go to that in a second one of the things is um that i wanted to point out was if you read let's say david meister's book on professional services for really when you have an organization that does anything with services you have really three to three types and you can't really get away from making a decision on the type of people you have and the type of work you go after and there's really three basic types one of them is procedural one of them you can call say gray hair and another one you can call say brains or research style and based on the makeup of people that's the type of work you can go after and based off the type of work you go after that's the kind of people you need to get so it's your chicken and egg brought right into the org uh with when you're talking about um talent and bringing in people all that type of all that type you are your boundaries are set based off of the kind of people you have and the type of work you go after and you you only have so much wiggle room um when it's uh and i'm beginning to see when it when you're the type of cooperative that you set up based off of your business this would be more of a procedural type where you're having people that are doing um although some of this work is creative they're going to be more on the procedural type work and uh the the other kind and then so your marketing all that's going to be driven off of that whereas if you're going off of different type of services for instance let's say if you were morgan stanley or something like that the type of customers you're going off after they kind of want to know they trust that person who's done it before and they want to know that name and they identify with that and so they want to that's who they buy from that kind of thing so some of that you have to keep in mind um when you're developing your cooperatives and we're kind of on the software side you're going to be more services and you're going to be more you could be procedural but most likely you're going to be more that the gray hair type or the research type and that's going to drive you more so i think that's it that's all i wanted to say and uh let's see what that question was i think it's we're starting a cooperative how did you find your core pro partners that's a that's a good question whoever wants to answer um that um i remember talking about that quite quite a while ago those are three types of of um classifications of of talent and a company and uh no it's absolutely right and and that's also um i think you find that out when you're going and once you develop a vision and you're able to are you able to um get a small group of of talent that um can support your your business your your vision your cooperative so you're a canadian community uh you have access to a community for that and so uh yeah very important um i like that um so diving into the second stage uh we're at like 7 45 answer that question oh yeah go ahead uh sorry correctly one of us it sounds like you're asking more specific to vote co-op versus a general so i think um both watson and josh are covering the general idea of how you're going to be finding people that could potentially become partners in the different aspects of that for us it it happened very organically so it was [Music] we had several of us had had i guess experience uh networking with other people and building i guess large network of the folks in the software industry and i i happen to be running a i guess it was like a just a loose net um software agency with people but it wasn't a cooperative and watson's experience um in some ways was uh similar as far as like building up the network and working with a lot of groups and that we happen to come across each other with uh some a company that we were both doing some consulting with and started talking about that i guess the philosophy i aspects of autonomous being able to come together with autonomy and choosing to work together and there's a lot of that that coincides with open source and other things but basically giving um trying to seek it for everyone to have autonomy and then have decisions to to move forward and then sharing the load and what i had done in the past was very loose and as far as management and the network it sometimes those pretty large group of people working on projects but oftentimes the the items that you would think of as overhead or annoying or whatever else or maybe even just directly customer facing stuff ends up rolling up to just one or two people so how do we spread that out and actually have it as part of it was part of the conversations and then beyond that it was uh reaching out to the network of people that we knew that had i guess fit on the talent side more of what watson was saying and just seeing the interest like talking about some of the ideas and seeing where people um where people's if they're maybe their values fit or if it sounded interesting and and then just try to give it a try from there i i think maybe one of the biggest things that we found is it's it's easier for people to try the idea of the cooperative if they've at least done some freelancing and if if the way that you your cooperative is structured is already set up to be that type of distributed work and distributed decision making but that was something that we kind of learned as we were going you give people the opportunity and some people say i need more structure and some people say i like this was and and then the freelancers and consultants seem to jump right in more likely to do that unless you're a lone wolf and you want to do it yourself but that's kind of how we found ours as far as starting and maybe the the missions and values and aligning that and trying to make sure those are visible is a bigger long-term goal for new core partners and there's another question here and do you want me to answer that josh or you want to get it or it's from rick do you find uh you find you're collaborating on projects frequency are you referring to the current cooperative work or the past just [Music] can you elaborate on that okay um well as far as the core um group partners we all collaborate on on all the work um pretty frequently there's there is some projects where it may be uh josh can you check out these agreements and go through and maybe someone else sends up stepping in to head a smaller project or something but the larger ones were often splitting up a lot of the work and then the associates that josh mentioned that may move up into partners hopefully the ones that are interested they're kind of spread across and that's a mix between interest and then just availability of the type of work but we try to make the opportunity for people to work across different things and encourage it we i guess one of the things on the talent that i didn't see in here but i know watson's big on on this and we try to have it across as mentoring so if you're not used to um if you're wanting to learn like new skills and stuff then we're big on that and do a lot of stuff like pairing and everything so that side but we're also trying to encourage um and mentor on some of the other cooperative or running your business aspects which might not be as exciting as and fun as maybe some of the development parts but they're important if you want to run your own thing or be part of the cooperative at owner level oh yeah and if case anyone didn't see it um lucina posted that we will uh in november we're going to be celebrating our seventh year so we may be doing um a virtual happy hour or something last year with pre-covet we had it in person but maybe we'll do a remote happy hour in november uh okay um i think you uh what was the next step after this time wise okay we got some time you were does anyone have any other questions on those those items or do you want to move on to the next i think it was the developing you just finished the developing the co-op yeah the um the um we are uh sort of coming up on on time here in a bit but to to go into this a little bit more um just a bit so the there are two more stages it's the development stage and it's the implementation stage and in both stages um you're still gonna have the four cornerstones of um you're still gonna have the four cornerstones of talent capital vision and um i'm missing one talent sorry talent capital vision and systems um and with each with each stage as you grow the business you're going to have to take that a bit further for your um you know to progress the business and so in the middle stage of developing the coop that's when you assess the feasibility in the plan and so uh as far as and feasibility they've they've broken that up into um into two into two parts um the first being um one second i'll grab that the um it's a feasibility of vision and then it will be feasibility of planning and so um as far as talent goes um watching like you were alluding to uh first can you find that talent um to help you um when you're when you are um sharing your vision um but also when you're trying to develop you're going to need to hire a project manager um to help you plan out see if do you have the organizational capacity to to implement your vision and you're going to have to give up and get ready for implementation um you want to start talking through different and these are all hot like high level uh of course i mean the guy goes into to detail uh into a very nice detail on all of these points but as far as capital you can start exploring member loan plans the people who want to get started with the initial court members and raising money potentially you can go through those options you can talk about preferred shares of stock or loan capital from financial institutions um as far as systems are concerned you have that governance developed governance leadership you know several different type of forms of cooperatives you can have member led or you can also have a board where it's not member led it's just member owned and so uh those are those things are worked out in the systems of how you want to run or how the how you want to run this venture from there it would be great to contract for a professional market study to see how well you can do in the market gather your business plan together and gather a business plan together um the second and then um from there we're just going to dive into the uh the implementation stage um that would be the final stage of starting the cooperative and again we're going to go through those four cornerstones with vision then now let's talk about brand development and developing a communication strategy so that your vision is not only now for a small group or those one-to-one interactions that you had before scale uh where you can actually offer these services or your product your cooperative product to a greater community maybe that's you know now that city-wide district-wide statewide nationally you know how are you gonna whatever your product is you're gonna have the brand uh you have to do some brand development figure out how you're gonna communicate and get that word out as far as talent to help you do that a general manager or site project manager for the sake of this grocery store would be pivotal to success as well as a board of directors and how that will work especially if you're not member led and you have a board um uh that's going to be uh to if you have a board to decide the direction that's going to be a very important point um actually secure the capital from external capital commitments if that's necessary and you can also um continue with any like member equity drives remember loans that you may have previously started um as far as systems in the implementation stage you're going to have to have an operating plan administration roles financial reporting management inventory it's going to depend on the type of business that you're starting but this is the point where you're getting ready to open for business and you need all of the starters um in line and ready to go and so um i mean we're coming up on time here but this is um i wanted to go a bit deeper but i think it's we're just about um uh coming up on time but i i would i would advise if anyone wants more information to uh check out fci dot co-op uh it's great this guide is also great they have tons of links and resources and um i found it very very insightful and yep that's that's uh that's all i've got for today but does anyone out does anyone else have any additional questions or comments that they'd like to explore before we get out of here it's okay if uh we go over a bit but i just want to be respectful of everyone's time see all right close okay we've added these uh links these references to the doc that i shared with everyone and um if nothing else i i guess we've we've done it today thanks for joining us we had a lot of people joined today uh thanks for all the visitors um hope you enjoyed it um and so next week we have we're still um our next uh sorry next week our next meetup is october 7th uh same time same place um 7 to 8 central we're still deciding uh what the discussion topic will be if anyone whether that's the first time first-time attendee or you know any of our regulars would like to have a suggestion where all is or if you're interested in maybe leading the discussion about a cooperative topic you're more than welcome to uh to bring that up uh we'd be happy to have you i've dropped a link to the getup page for the meetup you can add if you have topic ideas create a new issue or if you have them right now feel free to suggest thanks josh we'll see y'all next month thank you guys see you guys