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what we're going to be moving into now is our three interactive sessions one being aging on the hook and next after that we'll do a DRI queue and then after that habitat ramblings panel so first 30 minutes or so I'd like to introduce our panel so you guys know folks up here from our age this panel in the Claudia Michaels magazine but Eric long over here on my far left drubbing wild wildlife management Ohio gbma Ryan Basinger with Westervelt public services Ryan and myself our new panelist with age this in the magazine so we were all kind of getting involved with this and the way this will work I'm going to go through some introductory slides talk about aging on the hook the technique give you some examples and then we'll move into the testing part or the action will go through about 20 bucks adult bucks and you have five seconds for the crowd everybody these guys and the folks seconds weeks five seconds is like a real real life situation in the woods and get to vote these guys are going to be voting with their minds and the flash cards up front and everybody else has the voting pads in the audience all right so you're going to take a boat I'll give everybody up on stage a one two three count they'll reveal what they think it is and then I'll hit a button and everything on the screen will show up with your vote and what you think and it's anonymous so you're not going to get hurt Ted over here was worried that you don't allow beeping sound of you that's that's not the case all right this isn't gonna be a lot of fun so let's move into it I'm excited for this all right Beijing on the hook one of the most fun techniques that we're learning through qvm over the past decade plus if we have a lot of different resources for this through our magazine through the posters we sell even our little booklet trifle that we use to try to gain members that has that aging on the hook one two three age classes in it we also sell books and small learning educational material like observing and evaluating whitetails hardcover and softcover book and even that little pocket guide and we have stuff on the website that you can use to learn and use to promote this technique obviously it's not an exact science but we all like to learn the page here before we harvest them because we're trying to accelerate them into the oldest age class that you most wish to take so let's review the age classes first and the bulk of this talk we get right into the test part so yearlings slim torso thin neck long slender legs they basically look like a doe with antlers antlers are usually looking at them straight on there or than their ear with two-year-olds torso long and gangly they have long slender legs slim neck and shoulders small tarsal area Everest can be as wide as their ears if you're looking at them straight on they kind of look like they're heavy on the front and a little bit light on the on the hindquarters three and a half talked back and stomach ever goes wide or wider than the ear straight on fuller neck deeper chest chest would be larger than the rump slightly larger parcel areas four and a half a teen skeletal maturity at this point antlers could be again wider legs are now proportionate with the body because they're filling out muscle neck chest increased are sustained and then we have five plus and for the essence of this presentation if you see a deer that's five five or older that's what you're going to be choosing on this screening is 5 and the same thing these guys have just a five and a half year old sheet that they'll be handing up and then this for the sake of Education eight and a half of post prime swayback sagging belly point shoulder and hip they might have smaller antlers things that have declined an overall weathered look so those are all the different categories it's quick show of hands how many folks enjoy to age this portion of the magazine how many people are trying now that we have the new layout with the little blank spots to try to guess what they are before you turn the page raise your hand I truly enjoyed it that's a fun part of it and as we know you know looking up here you can do this with deer again it is it not an exact science you can almost do it with people too and that's kind of the same idea you can look at someone and peg it up in a block of age classes with deer you'll get it to the exact age it's difficult I mean I'm not going to say impossible but you can always be wrong but you have much higher success if you're going to group them in young or you know one or two year-olds middle age three or four or even older five plus and that can be a little bit easier if people are asking you in the field how well do you think this deer is you could say I think it's this age but you probably be a little bit better off saying well I think it's a mature beer on middle aged or young deer you're just like you're looking up on the stage here now if you're looking at job sure you're trying to categorize him in that young middle mature post prime he's half time now so he said it not me and I'll give a plug for Lindsay in the crowd here we're always looking for good content for the website in the magazine tack trail cameras down you're capturing good images send them in we can use them we can use them in the magazine and we can use them in the weekly newsletter that qma puts out - which now has an edge this section so that let's jump right into the first year all right I'll show each one still photo or one slide and then we'll go into the globe - that gives everybody a second or two to think about it all right this is your first deer early fall from New York State your buddies get an agent in mind and you've got five seconds go ahead and vote don't hold up your things yet polls are closed all right panel raise your card what do you think I can't see them go one one two two on this side I've got North and South here so we're trying to figure out where we are very close and about 90% of audience said one it's actually my trail camera photo that's a yearling pretty sure on all right move it too everybody think about Wisconsin get on the run everybody getting an idea all right got five seconds everybody get your votes in the crown bowls are closed okay panel you got one two three all at the same time how old do you think - two - and two across the board about two-thirds of the audience agree with that guys like this pretty quiet out there all right Georgia January 5th in Georgia get an idea in your mind still probably the rut depending on where your are in Georgia late everybody's got five seconds get those votes in polls are open and polls are closed i panel one two three two three three two pretty even there and crowd says three a lot of these are all pulled out of the magazine I forgot to tell you this but I went back and I picked these out I can I came up with a good average of what the panel said earlier I went years back into the archives and on average the panel said two and a half when this was in quality whitetail so not today all right next buck Michigan I'm not telling you who said what but we're going with the average Michigan September on the top left and then the large image and the bottom right are on on October early in mid-october all the same buck wise getting an idea you got five seconds get those votes in and holes are closed panel one two three what are you thinking three three three and Joe's got I think three and you guys said three overall three quarters oh good that's what it was in the magazine as well Alabama December 29 one two three panel get those votes up by five five and five across the board in ninety-eight percent you all right next buck desert is getting a little harder now Toby laughter I made it too easy and if they come a little bit more difficult Missouri late August early September getting an idea and got five seconds get to punch those votes in and the polls are closed I can't one two three we got three three three now even though he knows it up and we got a time between three and four it looks like North Carolina October 10th your buddies get that in their mind got five seconds what are we thinking I read punch those votes in polls are closed panel one two three what do you think Eric slept looking and you guys said for as a majority moving on Tommy late October give you an idea a little tricky got five seconds all right polls are closed all right the timer all holes are still open all right one two three panel four four five four we had the majority same for this axiom also one of my trail camera pictures I thought it was for when I got the photo never saw has to be right because I said it alright next year Illinois early October goodness gracious everybody get an ID under mine early October all right five seconds polls are closed right panel one two three that's a message yeah go to 3 3 to majority said to well somebody keeps trying to be writing this stuff down over here I can't see anything all right next year South Carolina geo your backyard September 18 all right everybody got five seconds starting now three two one all right panel bring up your boats Ryan says three Joseph three four four 12 and dividing the country by the Smith & Wesson line all the majority agrees with the four all right next Jordan October 6/15 the 15th is on the right six is on the left looks pretty different between these two photos they're trying to get a good idea where you gonna land all right starting now you got five seconds get those boats in and pulls our clothes we got three two one boats are up four four guys alright next buck Ohio November 9 / 12 buddy getting that gives couple photos they're stretchy to get this right 5 seconds buddy 3 2 1 polls are closed all right panel what do you think 3 2 3 3 tips that kicks the outside of there all right next September big picture November little picture I'm just gonna go to the next slide we all go ahead 5 seconds to go ahead there's a different Florida scene there alright polls are closed panel 1 2 3 5 Joe okay next buck Georgia this is actually our national headquarters November 8 if I get the idea look at this dear come on five seconds starting now get those votes in and bolts are closed all right panel three two one Kip we got three three two three Ryan you're the outsider where we say sorry buddy Lindsay what do you think three three does your camera way Boudreaux you recognize that dear miss number ten 23rd your baking idea Darrin you kill this deer don't don't swindle onions all right voting starts five seconds down by mr. Boudreaux and you got one second left all right panel one two three what's the votes three three Joe across the board all right guys we'll get there there you go he did let it walk instead Indiana July 11th in the bottom left and then September in the big photo and up on the top right that's the same photo you got five seconds stretch that deers walking away make a decision all right polls are closed one two three four five four okay just good and the majority you sent for by 74% all right Brian I agree Texas whoo October in October we're just gonna jump right in the next slide everybody see that all right five seconds make that decision times ticking tick tock and the polls are closed Oh hit the button sorry fine across the board you guys are greedy mark mark there's hostile insects and thank you buddy Wisconsin October 26 buddy get an idea putting in your brain five seconds left if those votes in all right polls are closed panel we think 2 1 1 2 pi break is - well it says 2 2 for the majority loins Georgia Junior 18 the second last year we got one more after this Georgia what any nominee funny looking at these pictures I think it was shot the brisket or something's going on there I'm not sure everybody get an idea five seconds all right handle one two three five four dose just five and you say five it was up it was generally bull it was all over the place in the magazine but happens that for some folks had three last one Ontario November 11 give me lots of different shots of this year way up there and Canada all right everybody's putting it thought in your mind five seconds times almost up make a decision right panel one you got a joke two three what do you think we got two four three two Wow we got a three to half of the average and that's what was in the magazine as well as the average reason man yeah that fun you guys enjoyed that just sit around for I got a couple extra slides here but stick around the next one's going to be as fun we've got a lot of interaction you're gonna be voting on those pads I personally want to say you know thanks for coming up to the panelists let's give them a round of applause this was last magazine the last one and his several years of volunteering his time to do those ages and he's just too busy he told us that he couldn't do it anymore we're excited to be part of the new panels we didn't realize how much VIP access we would get when we became part of this and I mean I'm telling you like great room backstage that the zine showed up I mean keeping some of the old panels got to go to the CMAs a couple of weeks ago I want to get an idea which one on the up on stage would have been able to go to the CMAs a couple if they got backstage access to it that's both which one was most likely cited there all right and survey says I got 10 seconds I didn't realize at the time you've still got six seconds go ahead and vote who do you think's most likely to be the most pain take advantage of that appear sorry - I've got your name in there by accident you guys think it was camping job oh you know what you're right they were up great job to see I am the man all right and I'll give a last plugin obviously most of your QT main members but you know we have all these great products one of which for new members is the aging and scoring bucks on the hoof DVD but with that thanks for everybody for participating oh that's the panels to get down and do you have any questions for that holding until the break which will have an that will be swap presentations here thanks guys