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[Music] hi guys welcome back to the program my name is Brad this the firefighters financial toolbox the other day I made a video as a request to one of my subscribers about two year old price and in the comments I act of that video I actually had another subscriber Matt Price asked me to do a video on voya he has a four or five seven plan with voya as do i you guys four or five seven plans if you're not familiar with them then they're like a 401k for government employees so if you work for the state if you work for a fire department if you work for a police department me and you in some cases you might even work for example Public Works for your County it's basically the same thing it's a deferred compensation qualified plan that lets you save money two biggest differences are you do not get a match from your employer in a 457 because if they did it would count towards your contribution so that doesn't work we do get a match of my at my fire department but they put into a 401 a which is a separate account because that way it doesn't count against my contribution the other difference and the biggest difference is that you don't have the 59 and a half rule you can take out money as soon as you separate form employment so if you got retired at say 50 years old or if you got hurt and you're on disability you could actually draw money from that account starting when you when you separate so he wanted to look at he wanted me to do some talking about different funds and which ones I thought would be worthwhile hey guys we're gonna go ahead and skip right into the there's two different kinds of things to pay on how much you're into investing if you just want to set it and forget it sometimes the target date funds are a great option because what happens with those is you have a mix of American stocks international stocks and bonds and it starts out really aggressive and as you get closer to retirement it tends to get more conservative and you see that each voyeur plan may have little different ones but for the most part they're gonna have a lot of the same but let's break it down and let's look let's consider us being young people who want to get stocks because really that's what's gonna grow your portfolio the most right all right so let's look at let's start here with you got large cap value you've got large cap growth so the fun that I'm personally in is the voice Russell large-cap index now you guys you know I'm a big fan of index funds and here's why a lot of four or five seven plans are expensive and the funds in them tend to be expensive as well now this fund has a gross expense ratio of 0.39% so what does that mean it means I'm paying $39 for every 10,000 dollars I have invested every year now that's way more expensive than I have in all my other plans but because this is all I'm offered I keep it in here this is the lowest cost large cap which is basically an SP 500 fund you guys now if we take a look at the other options here now let's let's do them voya index plus large cap now that is also an index fund or right but you see this one actually cost 49 basis points so it ten dollars more per thousand per year for essentially the same fund you guys doesn't make sense now what if I wanted a Growth Fund so here's the large cap Growth Portfolio you see that one's 0.67 percent so even higher okay let's take a look at mid caps now you guys remember small and mid caps are gonna be a little bit more expensive so let's go down and look at the voice Russell small-cap index this one has an expense ratio of 0.47% so 8 basis points more than my 5 S&P 500 fund you guys pretty expensive compared to some of the others let's take a look at some of the others here let's look at the Franklin small cap value for example this fund is 92 basis points 0.92% you guys almost a whole percent but let's stay let's stay within the boya family here let's let them voya small company portfolio so this is a void fund as well and you see me zero point nine four zero percent so almost 1 percent 90 basis points you guys i'm very expensive so let's look at mid cap let's say you want some big cap so let's look at the foyer rustle Mid Cap index we see that this one is about its 0.46% so 46 basis points now let's go up and look at the other boy of mid-cap fund we find that this one the boy of Mid Cap opportunities portfolio is 0.78% so here's the thing you guys remember that large cap our SP 500 companies make up about 70 to 75% of the total US market now there's lots of small and mid pack mid-cap companies but they only make up about 25 to 30% of the total market so if you were to have an SP 500 or a large cap and you had a small cap you had capture most of the market as far as the United States and all this needs to be considered when you're talking about expenses so let's look at international now the only one that I know I don't have this funny longer because I have it in the last row but the boy International index now international funds are more expensive you guys and you see that this one has a gross expense ratio of 0.5 four percent so fifty four basis points or fifty four dollars on ten thousand per year in that fund if we'd look at something like the Invesco Oppenheimer global portfolio you guys 0.75 percent for an ER 75 basis points and then if you get into something specialty and I I'm we're gonna look at the JP Morgan of emerging markets fund here you guys this one is super expensive one point one one percent a hundred and eleven dollars per ten thousand on this one so I wouldn't recommend putting emerging markets in your four five seven if you olive oil if you want emerging markets or if you have a Roth maybe that's where you put it because you have more room for growth there but you can certainly get it from Vanguard fidelity or Charles Schwab and you can get a fund that's much much cheaper than that you guys so if I had to pick the four funds I would use consents we're here we'll start with the global or the international fund I would pick the voi International index because it's relatively inexpensive compared to the other offerings now I personally only use the voyer Russell large-cap index in this account as I said this is mainly a SP 500 index it's not exactly it's pretty close though it's basically all the large companies now that's the one I would recommend because it is the least expensive just 39 basis points now if I wanted to add small and mid caps I would probably add just the voya Russell small-cap index if you did want to add some bonds and I used to have this fund at one point now I have all of our bonds and my wife's rollover I used to keep it in the voi intermediate bond portfolio now but you do see this is an expense ratio of 0.55 percent so over a half a percent you guys and right now bonds aren't making much so although I may add more bonds to my portfolio later on before or when I'm retired at this point it's too expensive for me to keep it here I have my bonds and Vanguard total bond market index and my wife's rollover and that costs four basis points instead of 55 so big difference you guys I'd like to thank Matt price for asking the question it was easy for me because I have an account I did skip right into the funds you guys instead of logging in in front of you but I think when you pick your funds no matter what you have if you have a 401k a 403 B of 457 you guys it's important that you take a second and really look at the offerings and look at the expense ratios because they can cost you a lot of money especially over a career and that goes up each year as your balance gets higher so really consider that when you're going okay you guys thanks for coming out if you got something out of this you guys drop me on drop me a like thumbs up it really helps the algorithm if you're not already subscribed hit the button ring the bell you'll get notified when I make every video and we'll see you again thanks a lot