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I'm gonna pause the sharing for a moment while I somehow get to the chat there is okay this is great so looks like we have folks from Drexel Cleveland Ohio Manhattan Kansas Houston Texas at Harris County Public Library University of Utah and Salt Lake more Drexel we've got some from Kent State Ohio Boulder Colorado all over the place San Jose hmm excellent thanks everybody's really nice sized group we didn't know how many people would show up we're doing this as a new experiment which is partly how you get things done just try it out and see what works and how you can do better the next time we have a short agenda today we're gonna go over the brief history of NRT talk about some recent projects programs and webinars and then at the end tell you some possible ways to get involved and then the bulk of it will really be open to questions and answers towards the end so we'll just take about 15 minutes now to go through these three items and hear from you well it all began actually before 2013 a few of us started a series of just free open webinars just to kind of get a pulse of what library people were thinking about sustainability and in fact that was a big pulse cuz over the course of the four webinars we had hundreds of people weighing in and long story short as a group we came to the real in that we wanted to start fresh and have a whole new round table we have thought about folding into other groups but we decided to just go it alone and it's been a great journey it started in January of 2013 there had been a taskforce on the environment under the social responsibilities roundtable that for different reasons wasn't growing and so everyone agreed that that could fold and have kind of grow out of that that place fast forward a couple years into it we were the excuse me we introduced a resolution on the importance of sustainable libraries which passed handily and that has brought a lot of action into ala itself also inspired library people in their own libraries most importantly I think one of the big outcomes is this sustainability task force and a lot of you probably seen that the group is working really hard they've been doing a series of surveys one of which you can still and today we'll show you the link later and another outcome of that may be indirectly was 2017 Jim Neil started the disaster relief fund after hurricane firma and Maria this is just the beginning but I wanted to highlight some really key of course in our history and if you are not an ala member yet as a student if you weren't aware it's thirty seven dollars a year and you can renew that worship for up to five years and yep joining the round table is completely free with your student so we're encouraging people to join in it connects you even more to us but if for any reason you're not an ala member you can still participate in all the webinars the virtual meetings the listserv the Facebook group so there's a lot of ways to stay involved and we've been really busy doing all kinds of I think bill mckibben was the keynote at annual last year we had about 400 people you can see on the bottom of the screen also a lot of programming at ala around the sustainable building projects and library planning with more to come this year we've also had free webinars every three months or so thanks to the online education committee for instance authors Ellen Moir and Bob toppled like highly recommend that you follow up and look at their books you can see the titles there we've also had Webb go ahead Yap webinars with our own librarians David Selden talking about carbon offsetting program through his library man who is our incoming coordinator talked about being an embedded librarian in her own campus sustainability office Rachel Shea who's at Clark University there's beautiful talk on the sacredness of libraries find her TED talk I has a similar and she's a wonderful speaker with bring I know webinar people especially we're very moved by and Miguel Figueroa who is excuse me Figueroa is at the ala central libraries and we've got the veterans they're working on that suited us specifically around sustainability and finally and everybody go on mute I'm seeing a lot of background noise thanks bottom left of your screen one of our first webinars was a recap of the 2016 conference with the lightning talks repeated it was really nice to kind of guess double double duty and out of those great talks and we've also had other webinars we had librarian and someone from the book to action program which you can also look up and think about how your life a nobility book and then do a I checked around it in your community Mike Walker from the IT excuse me no he's part of the Energy Star program he talked about IT energy savings for libraries so thank you for advancing all the slides and now Lindsay you're going to take over the slides yes so one of the things that we're working on currently on fire my stand and the word took awards a new project for our are you all hearing feedback when I speak no okay good that's just on my and then all right so our environmental scan is an ongoing project we are trying to gather content related to sustainability in libraries presentations folks have done you can find more information about that on the website for to seyne RT through ala we're also creating a committee for our book award idea we would like to start awarding books related to sustainability that have could sustain ability content in them right now the board has decided to look at children's books first but by no means is that sort of where we want to end this group is going to be tasked with figuring out how that Awards going to work how it's going to be structured etc so if you have ideas or feelings about that let us know and then I have on the right here some information about programming at ala annual in case you're able to attend we will be having an orientation setting a session that date and time has not been set yet we will update our website and vlog as soon as we know that information we will be having a chair session and a business meeting and they happen to be right scheduled right together so that's convenient you can kind of get a one-stop shop our chair session is gonna focus on libraries the title is rising tide how libraries sustain a planet in crisis and so the subject of that is going to be a panel discussion among librarians and folks working in live whose has to deal with the very real impacts of climate change that we are already feeling as a result of natural disasters in some cases that can take the form of social pressure or economic issues as well so that's going to be pretty lively and exciting and then we are gonna have our business meeting that's a good chance to you know meet folks on the board meet our new incoming board members as well as contribute your thoughts and ideas we have a long list here of different ways that you can become involved as a student or other member or just interested persons so you we have a blog and you could write a blog post we could provide the topic if you aren't sure of what would make sense or need something to start from we can provide that for you you could pitch us the special project say you wanted to develop a survey or you had a different idea that you thought would fit let us know we're interested in hearing those ideas we also have several different social media feeds we've got a Facebook page and a Twitter you could post to those you could post content and tag us we also have a listserv you could post a discussion on there it's a pretty lively group so that might be a place that you could visit we also have those regular webinars as madeleine indicated in the beginning and folks on our online education committee so kindly put together so if you have ideas for topics or things that you would like to learn about please let us know you can also join these webinars they're free of charge and they are almost always recorded and placed on our website for later viewing if you aren't able to join us in real time we have virtual meetings usually before midwinter and annual conferences occasionally they are after the meetings but this is a chance for members to dialogue with the board and learn more about what's happening what our plans are so if you see those through email or on our website be sure to join if you can we have also on this list if you have ideas for an event that you would like to plan for your ala chapter or just a student group in your program let us know we might be able to have provide assistance or ideas for that you can invite a board member I'm currently the treasurer but we are gonna have some new incoming members of the board after annual conference this year if you'd like one of us to speak with students in your program remotely or if one of us happens to be located in an area where you all are then maybe we could make that happen so just let us know we also have a forum that's going to be posted in the chat and a bit that will allow you to provide us with other ideas if you have ideas or ways that you would like to become involved and you can list those in that forum right now there's a chance for you to provide some feedback as Madeline mentioned before the task force on sustainability is working diligently on their white paper and they have this survey out a lay sustainability perception survey so this link will also be posted in the chat at towards the end of the session today please take time if you have the time to fill this survey out the deadline is tomorrow but we want to be sure that as many folks as possible are able to contribute their ideas and voices to this survey are you all going to annual if so there is this pre-conference there is a student rate the regular rate is going to be 215 then student rates 95 it's a pre-conference and so it's gonna be you know quite a substantial session and it's how to create the sustainable library the tripled bottom line approach Madeline who is the general of the individual that's putting this on that is Barry and he is with us today so Gerry later if it feels like the natural moment to chime in and tell us more let's do that a little bit later but yeah I'm really glad he's here he can answer questions about that during the Q&A happy to do that thanks excellent okay so now I think we're ready for our Q&A portion these will be guided questions so if you have questions that are more general and make sure perhaps we could get at those at the end and then I'm not sure how many we are they want to use microphones or use the chat I'm thinking let's stick with the chat because okay there are 19 people and that could get a little bit tricky and I'm sorry to reverse my Gabby since you are here and it's it does feel like a kind of transition why don't you just take three minutes or so if you need it you think about tell us about the pre-conference sure thanks so much Madeline and Lindsay so I recently published a book it's called Korea it's a little dark in here creating the sustainable public library so this will be the basis for the conversation though the talk will deal a lot with public libraries because they were the subject of the research but I also make it applicable to academic libraries special libraries and others so really looking at the environment as a big part of sustainability but more aligning with the UN sustainability goals that sustainability one also has to be financially sustainable to be truly sustainable and one needs to be sustaining your workforce your colleagues and also your community and your community needs to sustain so it's really looking at sustainability holistically which I think a lot of us have moved to and it's a half-day workshop as you can see starting at 12:30 and I think it's going to be a very lively conversation and very informative so I use examples from business which were part of my research as well as examples from public libraries that are doing a lot in the sustainable area and they don't always think of what they're that's sustainable but it truly is so anyway I'm definitely looking forward to it and would love to have any of you join us for it it's being put in put on and hosted by llama the library leadership and management association of things thank you all right so we're gonna move into the Q&A portion Jaime and Erik will moderate that and if you have questions put them into the chat box please and I think we will use the chat poor for this portion so so the questions are somewhat guided in that they're sectioned off but you can ask your own questions related to this prompt hopefully that's clear and then do I want to unshare my screen so folks can see cameras and things I mean I guess they can see them on their own screen okay all right I will go back to sharing excuse me sharing the slides all right all right yeah so I think there this is Eric there are four questions so yeah that'll be kind of a guided discussion and and they're I think they're designed to kind of get at if there's any information that we didn't share in the webinar that you know that you all at home or at work or wherever you are or are curious about or would like to know so if you have any responses to that if there's anything else that you'd like to know about sustained arty that wasn't covered feel free to enter that into the chat box alright so we have a question here from Amy what is your working definition of sustainable are you looking at this from an environmental point of view financial or other so to somebody want to take a take a crap I could answering that I think I think Gary I'm talking about the the workshop I mean he was definitely talking about it from kind of all perspectives so you know not just environmental but also financial and social it does does anyone else have anything that they want to add is there an actual definition that we have posted somewhere or is it just kind of ad hoc Madelyn do you want to speak to that I believe that we embrace the three-legged stool concepts yeah I don't know if that's well I generally we've always been clear about including the economic as well as the equity social peace and the environment which tends to be more obvious but I think it would be cool if we just started a Google Doc at some point everybody could like cobble together their version of it and then we could because there really is not one definition and we did bandy about different ideas when we the byline next to our name so where's the sustainability roundtable libraries fostering resilient communities do you hear that word resilience thrown around a lot so that kind of weaves in some of us wanted it to be regenerative communities that was a bit of a fun debate so I feel like the definition is is naturally deepening as society continues on its way and on there's still a lot of fixing to do so I wonder if people have thoughts feelings about regenerative versus versus resilient versus you know what's even beyond that transformational resilience not just bouncing back to the the baseline where we are but going beyond thriving and adversity iteration liberation of any thoughts around [Music] well well people think about that another question came in from Sarah is sustained RT focused mainly on encouraging libraries to be more sustainable is there a community outreach component such as a general sustainability environmental education to the public can I can I have the mic for a little bit yes is Amy brendlin so um I was at the American Library Association conference in Denver and what the the task force that's working on the white paper right now is actually trying to grapple with that question of how to create a better community outreach component because because we would like to be able to offer that kind of support there is a large conversation going on around the possibility of including sustainability as a core value of libraries which which with any luck that might actually happen so so what I'd like to say is that conversation is taking place and we'd love to have people supporting that notion of having a strong community outreach component in the throughout the entire Ala organization and maybe not just us if you see what I mean that's one of the reasons thank you Amy that's one of the reasons it's important if you have time to fill out that survey that we're gonna link in this chat so that way you were able to provide ideas just like this question that was asked okay I also would say that as the as the roundtable writ large we don't currently have a sort of outside of the library community outreach designated committee but I would say that individually as librarians different folks are gonna take on different sort of levels or capacities of this community outreach piece I know that right now Madeline she might want to speak on this a bit is doing conversations about climate change and how to talk about this you know as librarians with our communities um and so that I think is an excellent example of doing some of this community outreach because there's different communities right there's our community as librarians and then there's our own sort of sections within you know academics versus public etc but then there's our communities our physical communities that we live in and those are also sort of punctuated by demographics location etc but you know we can start from somewhere and some things that you know was the impetus or start of the of this group itself was the idea of a community of practice and so we each are very unique and individual in our pursuits but we can come together as a group as a sane arty to exchange ideas and information cohere around certain concepts and ideas and then go back and use what we've learned within our communities and whatever way sort of makes sense for us hopefully that that's a decent response but I think that community of practice idea is is related somewhat because we can learn from each other trade ideas and then go out and ensure those communities all right so they've got several it's coming in on the chat we'll just sit I'll just read one more here so what the students think should be the focus of sustained arty what is the most pressing and useful to you in your career so I guess that's back out to everyone is there a specific focus that you think would be the most valuable for the roundtable that would be most interesting to you as you prepare to move forward in your library careers all right and we have an answer I think it would be helpful to get training on how to change institutional culture yeah that's a tough one institutions are hard to change that's why their institutions can i chime in it's Madeline um I hope people try to make change in their own ways in their own libraries I was on a webinar not that long ago and somebody forget what webinar it was they said well everything has to start you know come from the top in order to make sure they said I respectfully disagree start doing small things on your own whenever you can and build the momentum that's grassroots organizing that's how this group got started and then we changed the culture of ala by rolling along on our own and the and it was a bottom up so don't wait for it to change just again I think that that community of practice approach is sort of pivotal and changing institutional culture because you know there are certain things you can do as an individual but even if you just have one other person whether that be a colleague friend etc that you can you know talk with and learn from and share and exchange ideas then that's going to make it you know much more realistic for you to be able to take those steps to change and said a tional culture that might be something that we could share resources or things about we may not have all the answers but we might have resources that could help get at these things yeah so we have a couple more things coming in maybe we can have a tag in the resource list for low-hanging fruit easy easy projects to get started with and making change on the level of institutional endowments is an important level of change to consider green investing and personal on a personal and institutional levels those are two to two ideas as well I think and we can keep this conversation going but I think we should also make it move on to the next question all right so second question are you already integrating sustainability into your coursework and projects and library work or do you have any ideas of what you would like to integrate if you haven't already if I could speak up just as one of the academics on on the phone calls my answer would be yes but of course I'm a huge proponent of sustainability and again looking at it holistically so we are integrating it kind of across the curriculum as opposed to developing a single class on the topic because our program is a master of management and sustainability is really important but I can't speak for for other schools and so we've got some answers coming in collaboration between student groups to raise consciousness and pressure administration library providing composting options for students to spur greater sustainability movement on a community college campus there was a big Earth Month display in the library designing the display and again a reminder from Madeline that whatever you're working on please add it to the environmental scan and she'll be adding the link to the chatbox shortly so the environmental scan is collecting information on books articles websites blogs social groups and projects that fall under the sustain RT umbrella and the link is now available see another answer just try to informally incorporate my personal values at work which has opened up my co-workers perspectives we've had a lot of great conversations surrounding sustainability and environmental issues I think that that's really important is just having informal conversations developing relationships with people reminding them that it's always an option to consider yeah that's that's a big one thanks for pointing out Eric relationships and trust and conversations are really where a lot of things start I totally agree so we can maybe just wait another minute and see if anybody else has anything to say before moving on to the next question it looks like Madeline's posted another link to a blog post about having conversations that you amassed okay so another answer I'd like sustainability to be a factor taken into consideration when we're choosing vendors and repairing and replacing buildings and our media literacy the fake news team might tackle some popular environmental science themes next semester that's that's a big important one especially especially with you know the people that are running things now at the EPA and and the federal government in general there's a lot of misinformation out there and questions about you know what you can what you can trust and what you can't trust even you know with government documents and other sources of information that used to be considered you know kind of the gold standard for reliability there's a lot of a lot of people out there that are questioning that now we good for a question three Eric yeah I think we can move on to question three right no problem all right so do you have any questions or concerns about how to weave sustainability into your career I think there's no one way to do it obviously there's so many different types of libraries in there you can incorporate sustainability into all of them whether it's academic or public or or special but if anybody has any questions or concerns that they want to post I'm sure that there will be lots of lots of people who would be willing to take a crack at answering it and then also yeah Gary's book covers buildings and vendors for sustainability as well so that was back to the last question there's also an idea of a mentoring program possibly within sustain RT and anybody would there be an interest in that among you know the students or or non students that are on the call today so we have one person who'd be interested looks like lots of support coming in for the idea of a mentoring program or a peer support program and Madeline has posted the idea of what about the idea of having zoom conversations like this periodically to talk about the state of the round table there is a question so I like the idea of mentoring but what would it actually look like I think maybe Madeline could be more equipped to answer that question but I think it's not it hasn't really evolved to the stage where we know whatever it would look like at this point the board put forth a few ideas one idea was to start with a buddy program similar I don't know if any of you all attending today have been to a conference where they put out alcohol for buddies from they typically do it for first-time attendees and what it entails is is you might exchange an email or phone call with someone beforehand and you plan a time and place to meet and then you meet sometimes you meet over for a snack or coffee or or a meal and you talk about the conference etc but in the case of our buddy program it might be you know talking a bit about the conference if you meet up at a conference or it might be entirely virtual you know we're still at the idea stage but we're trying to think of a way where it wouldn't be a extravagant commitment for folks whether that be checking in you know at an event several different times you know different days of the event or whether that be you know just entirely remote conversations through things like zoom or email or video chat and so it really is we're interested in in your thoughts and opinions and and what the needs are from our members as well as as making sure that we think in a way that so what's sustainable I suppose and that we don't want to start too big too soon what's something that we could start that might help us figure out what might work best does that make sense for folks and we have another suggestion that it could be nice to have a form to fill out so that people are paired based on shared goals and interests so yeah I think that's a great idea all of the the best mentoring relationships that I've been a part of you know there's always an area of there's always been a little bit of a focus to it that helps kind of drive the conversation and make sure that that it's productive well we do have some we have a response in favor of informal conversation such as zoom over a formal mentoring program as formal pairings can be less organic and natural [Music] [Music] so then the question would be how often would a zoom like call like this take place twice a year or less preferences on that I don't know about other folks but my natural sort of number one presented was something like that would be for ya quarterly was also suggested in the chat [Music] more support for quarterly at least two times a year or more often quarterly it would be great and there's a question could mentoring serve to encourage more writing and publishing on sustainability topics I think so I mean I think that there's definitely people in this group that have experience with writing and publishing on that topic and there's definitely interest so yeah I think that that's definitely possible and another question is it worth looking for a common framework of personal professional organizational and social change around sustainability we might use for framing our conversation and there's that somebody says that's a great idea just having a conversation about what sustainability means to each member and I think so yes as otherwise the topic can feel very nebulous all right well it feels like it's a good time to move on to the next question all right do we want to have Jamie moderate this one I haven't heard her yet are you still there Jamie yes sorry uh okay good job I wasn't jumping in that's all right I'm happy to mute myself and you let Jamie take over for the last one thanks Eric all right so we've covered some of this a bit though what else would you like to see happen in sustained arty as our next question and ten thank you for your introduction there and Jerry considering the UN sustainability goals I guess it's okay if you don't have responses to this one you might be new to sustain RT and just figuring out today what we're about sorry I went off the share the screen because I wanted to see the chat I haven't been able to see the chief oh yeah you were talking or maybe not since you're sharing I mean stop sharing the sustainability in library is discussed in library school I was wondering that too and if it isn't maybe sustain RT can have a role there so it looks like no so far Gary yeah he's volunteering down with us thank you I have to say when we we forwarded the invitation to this to all the program directors and they all seemed very receptive so I feel that if we were to put something together that they would definitely accept it and pass that along mm-hmm Madeleine that's not good so does anyone have ideas of how you would like that to look oh go ahead Gary if you wanna answer Madeleine she asked how can you help well I was just thinking that there's a couple of schools both Syracuse and University of Washington you know applied for different grants to develop curriculum usually around Syracuse was design thinking and u-dub was more around cultural learning and that so an idea would be to put some sort of proposal together you know to either IMLS or someone else to really look at a curriculum design because that starts getting you you started bracing the schools and involving the schools it's not to say that that needs some sort of grant funding to happen but that would be one way to almost make it very official so just an idea and Sara said that social justice issues are covered in her courses disaster response another article posted thank you Amy speaking of those great opportunities Gary I wonder if there are any like an IMLS range or something note that's the sane Artie could pursue possibly I mean they tend to be focused on some very I don't want to say narrow because they're important to all of us issues but they're not necessarily looking at sustainability right now and so maybe it would behoove us to look at other Grand Tours yeah what about the Bush Foundation would that like there's some bush grants like Barbara Bush or there they're related someway to education I believe they were something that folks were applying for when I used to work in Saturday somebody has a dog it's not me I would say we just need a good librarian does anyone know one researching these grant opportunities what foundations are are really looking at sustainability and interested in it and might be the knight Foundation or something like that maybe that's something we need to be sure to include in our environmental scan is funding source grant funding sources potentially it's not just say as I said that you need that to you know develop curriculum but it does tend to get people coalesced around it and gives it some sort of official nassif you will to you know make it that it's really important okay okay so a couple of people have posted another grant ideas that we can jot down a follow-up on the Gates Foundation and the Barbara Bush literacy found right that's the one that's the one and then Sarah wanted to know at the board member so Lindsay maybe if you could talk about sustained artis role and disaster response hmm girl and disaster response um I personally don't have a lot of experience with disaster response I know that they created the fund to help libraries deal with with these types of disasters that are becoming all that much more common I know that there have been several programs at annual not necessarily sustained our tea programs but dealing with these types of responses that's something that we hope to have actual librarians on the panel discussing at annual I I don't really have a lot of personal experience with that I know that we're collecting resources related to that currently we are looking at some some different types of policies or incentives to help folks come to the conference but that's sort of as far as we've delved into disaster response I don't know if other folks that have been like what about Amy do you have any experience with that Amy or knowledge in that area um so Disaster Response is a is a topic of sustainability conversation because of the expectation that climate change is going to intensify storms and and make me these more vulnerable to certain kinds of natural disasters people became especially sensitive to that after Hurricane Katrina and hurricane sandy and after Sandy the library the libraries the local libraries turned out to function as centers to rebuild the community and so what we are doing right now I mean right now we're thinking about it because we have observed that there's a role for libraries there and kind of figure out how that might be formalized somehow how we could perhaps a lie organization could could formalize some kind of request for help or some kind of help that would be offered the the the the topic of disaster response is actually the topic we're focusing on during the the annual conference in New Orleans for that reason is because a lot of people have the same question and and we'd like to hear from some people who've been through it and and what was helpful and perhaps that would give some direction for how to how to create a formal a formal and and more organized response so so again part of the answer is we're kind of a new organization and we have lots of ideas that are coming in and some of them we're still working on how to how to actually implement them yeah and that's where you know that's why we had this chat oh so folks can learn about the things that that are sort of circulating their way through and then maybe if they're interested in one of these areas or have skills or expertise etc and they can work on those things together with us thank you Amy and Lindsey so Tim pointed out that we could use the word the term resilience I think regarding the infusing into the curriculum as a broader concept and some more resources Madeline's pointing out there might be more public libraries than McDonald's interesting point four systems thinking and then asking the Regional Planning Group if they thought of libraries in the resilience planning so that could be something for future careers but also just in your own community where you're living to see if they're involved has anybody been taking notes so we're hoping that this is recorded possibly we have a lot of good ideas flowing back and forth this is being recorded yes and I'm for the chat at the end this is bold people thank you you only have five minutes left this is awesome I think we're through with the questions on the slides so if folks have other questions that they didn't get to that didn't sort of fit in one of our areas I think it's fine to post those in the chat and we'll try to answer those if at all possible and once again I want to point out that you know I I'm not I don't wanna speak for everyone but I I don't really view myself as a sort of deep expert in these things but I view myself as a sort of constant learner I mean that's part of why I became a librarian and so for me this group you know I came into this group at the very beginning of my library career and I've been sort of growing alongside all these wonderful folks and you know I think this is a very sort of warm place to be positive uplifting collegial place to be and you know we very much are a learning community together we may not have the answer immediately but we're gonna work on finding it and we will help they're out so I just want to sort of give you an idea of the feel for this side of group thank you and I want to add this is Madeline don't wait for the experts and you don't exactly expert just keep at it because like Naomi Klein said to change everything we need everyone and I heartily believe that because we need to change a lot of systems to thrive into the future and Sarah pointed out on the chat that maybe bringing up the conversation about sustainability and resilience and disaster prep committees would be another way I think that's a good idea Amy pointed out there's a lot of angles for libraries and disasters in terms of offering information and skills connections I think you could probably even make the case of sustainability and resilience in general you can make it fit into pretty much any conversation or program or instruction that's taking place we also have that forum that we wanted to put the link to in the chat box it's a follow up if anybody has other things they want to communicate to the sustain RT board and committees you see that link at the bottom of the how to get involved slide somebody know how to get back to that that is the bottom one second that one there Madeline the Google Doc yes that's it Thanks you're welcome so yeah that's the survey that we had mentioned earlier if you have other ideas or things that you would like us to know pleat please enter those there and then what about the survey for the task force did we already enter that into the chatbox that was on the slide okay I will grab that one as well yes good yes and just a reminder that to do tomorrow so it really just takes a few minutes I know that they'd appreciate all the input they can get okay so remember the first link is for information related to st. Artie if you want us to know things this link is for the task force survey and that deadline is tomorrow so if you have time please feel that fill that out today or very early tomorrow your thoughts opinions and values matter so that's why we're we want to be sure you have the opportunity to contribute does anybody have any final thoughts they want to share before we sign off you're welcome Sarah it's our pleasure you're welcome Amy thank you Gary and old Jody and Melissa yeah I'll just say thank you to the students who are able to join especially he might be in the in the midst of final and start getting close to it best of luck with those you're gonna do great and remember it's not the single grades it's the whole student that matters the whole package you well shall we wrap up when you give them one minute to take the survey yeah yeah if you don't mind go ahead and click those links because when we close the zoom session here those links will disappear with ones I mean of course you know if you emailed us then we can send you those links again no worries there but if you want to click them now and save them for later bookmark them if you can't do the surveys at this time that would be a great time to do that and thank you again so much for coming and taking the time to be with us here together we really value your thoughts and opinions you're the future you're the present in the future so yeah you bye everyone goodbye bye Gary thanks for joining that was good timing that I happened to see your notice and it worked out today thanks so much Madeline okay good luck faith um organize this can you stay on for one minute I'm gonna release other people and do you have time to just debrief for a moment yes thanks you you you you you okay it's just us and Amy if she's listening here yeah right here oh good I'm good so Wow I'm so amazed that was great how many people that we have total twenty us so that's because you don't want too many Oh like just perfect yeah you don't manage are you still recording oh yes