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good morning afternoon or evening - joining us today's episode is crossing many time zones thus the multiple good morning afternoons or evenings and thank you so much to you or allowing iid a the privilege of joining you in your kitchens your living rooms your home offices wherever work is happening for you right now and wherever you are I hope you're safe I hope you're well I hope you're staying strong and optimistic I'm Cheryl Durst I'm the executive vice president and CEO of IID a the International interior design Association and this is episode 10 in our ongoing series of collective design webinars the series is very generously sponsored by interface and we thank them today we're spending a bit of time talking about the world of design and how global efforts are exemplifying what we're all living and working through at the moment and a bit of housekeeping before we begin today's program is CEU accredited by IDC EC or one CEU to receive credit you must attend the entire webinar your credit will be recorded within seven business days if you registered with an iid a member number we'll take care of that registration register please email our education team at contact CEU at iid a dot o-r-g and we'll take care of that for you and we'll repeat this information also at the end of the webinar so you don't have to scramble to get a screenshot of this so this webinar we're looking to the future it's clear that designers and Design Thinking will be incredibly impactful leading the charge in change to health care to the workplace to cultural institutions to hospitality to education and of course to all the places that we call home you know it's interesting we don't have all the answers yet and in fact we don't even know all the questions yet but what we do know is that design is forward and future facing always it's imperative that design is at the forefront of what is now what is near and what is next today's panel features global design leaders who are going to discuss the state of the industry from their viewpoint and help us all think about what's to come please join me in welcoming our exemplary panel I'm honored that we have panelists from Hong Kong from London from Milan and from West Michigan we have joining us today Julia Munk an authority and hospitality thought leader Julia is joining us from Hong Kong Colin Barry was a design principle London Nicolai Brandt who is a design leader for the International studio of Hayworth and I shout out to West Michigan right there Nicolai Virginia long an award-winning designer founder and design director of the one-plus partnership in Hong Kong and I just had the public privilege of presenting a design award to Virginia and her team yesterday and I was the general manager of Salone in Milan absolutely an event that I think we are all missing but are looking forward to attending again in the not-too-distant future Marco yes thank you waiting for you so so much for joining us and I want to start our discussion by not ignoring what's going on in the world you know we are having this conversation we know an incredibly challenging and unusual time we are all not just facing this pan Demming but also a destabilizing political and social unrest here in the US and globally protesters around the country are supporting the black community here in the US it's a time of reckoning I think for all of us and we are faced with so many so many challenges socially and culturally and in our design community and I want to start and open up by asking each of you how you're doing and how can we as a design community collectively address through long-term solutions equity justice and social responsibility can I start with you Colin sure nothing like a really difficult question to a conversation yeah yeah so first important thank you so much for for having me I'm really really honored to be with you all and certainly what this is Team Google parent you know I really think you know being here it's being somewhat separated from it you know every day that I turn on the news or I look online or whatever you know it just sort of brings me to tears right I mean it's just you know like seeing what happened in Minneapolis is just completely disgusting a just hard thing you know and it's not acceptable and we as a community you know both as citizens of the representative countries the globe you know look the global community and you know the interior design and architectural community we need to stand together right and we can't tolerate this it's not acceptable and so you know we can't just talk about it we actually need to take action so you know hats off to those of them at demonstrating in the streets but as one of my mentor said to me you know demonstrating in the streets is only one part of it you know at the end of the day we all need to take action so you know what does that look like for you I mean it might be as simple as voting it might be as simple as letting your politicians know it might be as simple as you know giving money to those organizations that are there doing things at the end of the day I think we all we all need to stand up right and everybody needs to play their part including the black and brown committee by a play they play a part in this as well in terms of you know and if they let's be a little bit controversial to say but you know they also play a part in this and you know we we all collectively can't keep sweeping these things under the rug of pretending that they don't exist right hopefully at some point the generation of bigots you know and and those that are racist will hopefully be gone you know let's hope that that happens in our lifetime you know it's certainly gotten better in other parts of the world and in certain parts of the US but let's just hope and pray that at some point those people you know move on change their minds have a change of heart or finally come to come to some kind of realization that no matter what you know we were all the same color you know we all share the same DNA and frankly you know this entire thing is completely and totally disgusting but we do need to play our part in making change thank you Julia and Virginia you're both in Hong Kong which is oh yeah which has seen a fair share of unrest right now even a little bit about what's happening and and how design is reacting yeah go ahead okay um it kind of leads back to your previous question Sheryl arch I think is a very very important question and I think that the I being an American I'm really saddened by all the things I see going on back home I think it's really incredible but I also looking at this from a global perspective see it as part of just another one of the big disruptors that's happening in the world now it's been going on for about four years three and a half four years we've been experiencing incredible disruption all of the in many many countries by many many issues and each country seemed to have its own disruption Hong Kong had its twists disruption with the riots and the the threat of China coming into the Hong Kong community years in advance of when it's supposedly supposed to happen we've seen a lot of disruption or politics in the United States there was a lot instruction the Philippines 20 heart a do you know took over there there's been disruption in China and it wasn't as if there's been locusts in India there's been all kinds of things that are happening throughout the globe and as if that wasn't enough that each one of our countries was suffering in their own way with their disruptors are dealing with their disruptors I guess their own son we have a global pandemic which kind of put everything down to a simple common denominator that we're all being disrupted in a terrible terrible way generally what disruption comes change and hopefully what that destruction will come positive change and my thing about how do we go about solving this is we can do it one person at a time and that's if we treat each other with dignity and if we did that in the conscious sense of every decision that we make it every action that we take to insert the word dignity and how we're going to deal with each other how we're going to deal with our environment I think we have a really great head off into a solution where we can all operate together as one we are global community there's no getting around it but can wanna cut those you know stop things at the edge of the border but it's too late cats out of the bag we all belong together and if we don't use this idea of dignity then we will never have any personal freedom and I think that's a long way to go there and then in Congress Jenny I'll let you take over our Hong Kong issue because if you were already going down before Cove a code so yeah right yes yes yeah for for Kovic everybody can they go out but for us I think we couldn't go out for more than a year and then I just realized that last year at this time I was in Europe and then we were watching watching the news and then see all the violins and then we were so upset and then actually has been going for so long no matter with which side you are standing I think all the people are really upset and then for us as a designer we always think what can we do what can we do to this society is there anything that we can do but we're really not politician and we don't know we don't know what to do we cannot think about any solution to this situation and then so just for us we think maybe we just focus on design think about something that can bring people together to bring the love out of each other to remind people there is love I think that is most important and also in America right now yeah that's that's what we think we we should think of more place that control people love home I mean except pandemic but can yeah then make people get together and come really came more I think that's what in the interior design I can do it that's perfect Virginia interior design design is such a powerful tool for change and a powerful force for Humanity Nikolai and Marco you know society and culture and design are so intimately intertwined and from from your viewpoint on this connection between design and culture and society can I turn to the two of you now I'm gonna say my mark will go ahead like yeah I mean obviously very sort of surreal and very real point in time you know for myself you know I'm from Chicago so think when I'm singing in Chicago and get Rapids is of course not very disheartening and but the means that maintenance the only action that's that's occurring in what's happening at the same time where I live in Grand Rapids I see more deer than I see people on a daily basis but even amongst all of this it's almost like this detachment you know when I think about kind of some confidence that have been made and around kind of what can design do and you know I think one thing has creatives and is designers that whether it's innate who we are or whether it's been learned I think there's kind of three elements for designing good at and what I think is maybe relevant today you know we always look at things a more holistic perspective right what's the whole list of what's the idea what's what's the kind of gold bringing all things together the other one being design is very inclusive so maybe despite of what you see in media or sometimes how it's promoted design is all about bringing things ideas people sort of together and how do you work with all these variables and sort of come up with the hope with the solution that represents you know the best of what these ideas are and I think the last thing is this idea of you know we eat right but I think it's more about reflection it's more you know we're used to doing it in our daily work in terms of if we have a solution but is this the best one you know what can we do better they come as from others we try and sell fatigue ourselves I think that's a very sort of like reflective process yeah I pass six-year-old so I guess my ideas are so much around the physical in terms of space or an object those are was very important full my thoughts are more on education you know I'm opportunity now to bring someone along and it didn't in a different way and in different paths I was fortunate enough to be brought up in weapons to be in Chicago in other places that are much more diverse they may be experience other parts of the world and so I guess from my perspective it's sort of those tools that we are as designers as creatives and how we can use those to sort of when is whether it's speaking to people or there's talking to students you know sort of elements in terms of what we do for a daily job that applied at more of a people in humanity not so much to say as an object or or a space and Marcus yes I have to say that Cerrone is an example of how the design community is always together because in those six days at cilona of the design week in Milan we have people coming from 185 countries in the world and almost a 500,000 people staying together from everywhere staying together for six and seven days in with a lot of energy and speaking together this is the most democratic example of event that we can see and all these people together under the flag of design this is what happens during several mobile and it was really we were desperate not to be able to do our addition this year and as as usual we prepared a lot of event a lot of installation example of what could be our life in anything our life here in Italy during the United States or in China or everywhere because all the things all the all the languages cancer in a in a certain way so this is this is a pity that we could get through but fortunately here in Italy where I hope we see the end of the tunnel of this terrible kovat 19 and life is coming back and we are already working for next year yeah hoping to see all the world but all the world in a different way that we of the things that we unfortunately we where we are compelled to see in these days in television on the news everywhere even if even if we in the world I think we have to be prepared very very difficult months during eight Ultima because the economic situation will be very very difficult the only way and the only way to face it is to be together oh yeah you work I love your point about rallying around a flag of design and I need somebody to design that flag so that we all have that flag and that and also that in design and through design we see humanity and Nikolay through the lens of Education so thank you all so much for sharing your viewpoints and Marco you teed us up very nicely talking about returning to a world re-entry into the world and I'd like to ask each of you you know we're all very concerned right now about what a return to the place the workplace to hospitality what return and re-entry looks like and it's different right in in many different places how are things going with return in general in the places where you're working in the places where your clients are coming back to or the places that unite your partners and your collaborators Julia what is what is return looking like well I'm in a very unique situation because a middle of the last year I decided to retire from hok take a gap I was planning a lot of travel I was seeing a lot of the places enroll that I hadn't been before and all of that is now over including Salani it was right on my list I'm supposed to be there with you Marco so my condition is completely different I just have a a very introspective gap will going on rather than a very travel filled gap here perfect perfect what is what is whoops I'm sorry what is return looking like from the from the Hayworth context how are you all talking about reentry and return it's interesting from my perspective because I manage SPEA was in an Asia more specifically Shanghai but also in Europe so it's been introduced see kind of what happened with the pandemic in terms of Shanghai how it hit and then how it's silly migrated over and by the time got it and we start getting in the middle of it I'm now having conference calls with tighter than ap who are now returning to the manufacturers to have reviews on product and so this is very surreal like wait I'm at home and I can't go anywhere but they're not traveling to these manufacturers or open and and then in your kind of let's say like it's in between and as we know I mean AP is obvious it's not just Asia it's in terms of like China it's India it's New Zealand it's Australia so of course you're you know is Denver's there is immense but I mean we're definitely you know it's it's happening definitely obviously for East reach sector and it's you know the because in terms of environments commercial environments how people work it's quite different as well so you know I mean you know we're hearing from clients like you know we need more screens we need more screens to put in between spaces but here if you're saying well we don't do cubicles you do benching so we think the it's a spaces would be made to be more toward maybe more open spaces rather than trying to bring everyone together back to that bench you know if you can work and then work from home because we're going to work to getting more to collaborate and that's a whole other challenge right because country there's a lot of interaction and you need that sort of huge team give one another in order to make the conversation more fruitful obviously with what we're doing here teams or zoom and things like this leave other ways to collaborate but I think it's been to see globally how we're returning in some cases it's differently for Haworth and of course different for for our customers as well sure Colin talk to me a little bit everything in London and how you're talking about re-entry with your clients yes I would say you know maybe just sort of speaking first about gentler you know we we are not there yet you know much like our clients here in the UK right we're still in the midst of this you know we're in sort of stage two FF five stage plan if all goes as planned according to the government we will be ideally back to normal by August but that's assuming that every stage works perfectly in our our value or whatever doesn't cause an increase or we end up going backwards urging you know and so at the moment you know we're still working for home as our as our clients the cool thing is that they're really progressive ones I've actually reached out to us and we're helping them figure out sort of what the interim solution is right we have a program a proprietary software called software called rerun where essentially we run their plans through the software and it essentially shows how they can repopulate based on you know a two meter or six foot you know social distancing and it's interesting because there's there's you know spaces like meeting rooms of 20 people where you only end up with four people you know being able to sit in those spaces so it's going to be a combination you know we believe you know doing this proper planning making sure that there's proper signage you know that there's sanitary stations as folks walk in doing cleaning every evening but then also sort of staggering the workday you know one of the big challenges in London is how do you get people to work because most people take public transportation right and you know clearly the you know the tube is not going to be able to take you know the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people but it takes every day right that that's going to be cut so we're going to need to stagger as well but again the really really progressive clients are figuring this out and then beyond that I think is what's really exciting for us as designers you know obviously this has been a really tough time for all of us right I think you know we've seen a significant decreases in business and I guess the good news is that we're sort of following that together you know no matter how painful it's been and we know you know based on the last recessions that those affected will land on their feet and we all will land on our feet and you know what I think we're all doing everything we can to help each other but you know our really smart clients and this is already happening or coming to us and saying what is the other side of this look like you know we're gonna have this interim until we have the vaccine and all the proper testing and stuff in place but what does the other side of this look like and I actually think that's exciting because it's going to give us huge opportunity I feel a little sorry for you know maybe the broker community because you know it may mean that spaces are shrinking you know and there's not as much space lease but for us it's going to create a lot of opportunity and sort of you know helping our clients sort of rethink what the workplace of the future will be and the great thing mayor that not only affects you know just physical work set you know work settings in creating excuse me a better experience for their people you know if we're more efficient with space if we drive up utilization in the long run it's also going to be better for the environment right I think that's the things you know there's you know seal sightings and in the temps and I think we heard dolphin sightings you know and in Venice and the canals like you know where we are you know this this horrible thing that's happened it's also been really good for the environment so hopefully it's a bit of a wake-up call to all of us it's sort of through proper design and really rethinking the efficiencies and the utilization of the workplace that we can also do the right thing for the environment right so I think it is an incredible opportunity it's not at all it's not all isn't all bad right you know it will create opportunities for all of us to be helping our clients figure out a way for Lee Virginia for you in Hong Kong obviously you were dealing and you know in all of Asia you were dealing with Cobin 19 before many of us you're at a very different point in you're at a very different point in this cycle are you talking to your clients about returning to the workplace have some of them returned are you working in your studio okay it started from the end of January as I remember is a Chinese New Year it happened before Chinese New Year and then and then it's when Wu hen was locked down and then we were all very scared and then nobody even the first day of Chinese New Year we were like very scared to go out to eat and then because we we had SARS in 2003 we experienced that we we have been there before so that everybody is so alert but that is also very good for us because right when that time age as my husband just like search on internet to order mosque right away all the sanitizer mass other thing he just like so prepared well prepared and then we were good on that side because actually after 2003 the stars like in Hong Kong mostly I think all the new public toilet we have like these careful like touchless access to the bathroom so we don't have authority more and then all the thing is using sensor like sense of our sensor stop the sensor like sensor Paulo flashing nobody's touching anything and then at at one moment we are we are kind of like sick to that sends our thing because it is sometimes like due to the distance and sensitivity you always it is always not working and we I mean a lot of people once thinking that maybe okay should we start using sensor anymore but and then co-pays coming back okay so that's why this tense the thing is coming back again okay talking back to what happened during the end of January that is Chinese New Year right and then we have like couple days of a public holiday and then when we have to go back to work we start to start thinking what should our stuff what should we plan for our stuff she did work actually there were that actually has been no restriction from the government we we don't need to work from home but we just asked our staff to work from home because it's dangerous to go outside and then yeah actually for me I'm kind of lucky because we moved to this new apartment for a year before because we are like always very hands-on on our design so right always stay in the office like talking to ourselves like working on design so we have been working a long hour in in our office but after we moved to this new place we got the computer or this networking all connected so we can directly access to the file in the office so we are lucky when it can't we can we can work from home that's good no need to go out so I happy at home like five months so I've been working here for like so long but like everyone so why we go back to the office to have meeting with all the staff and and actually order all the meetings with our client is just soon just awesome and okay one thing I want to talk about is because we have been into stars so even our client because some of our clients are from Hong Kong I remember that after the Chinese New Year holiday we have this presentation we are thinking okay oh no so are we go are they going to overrule our proposal because you know the budget ain't all the things are they going to put for the pending and then our client goes like up because he's from Hong Kong and he was like okay we have been to SARS we we know what's happening because after sighs there is a big economic boom everybody just went out and buy and shop and eat so we must spend more money in our shops so they just chose a more expensive option on our design interest he yeah it's okay just do it because everybody will go out and spend money and they were so encouraging for us yeah we were we were worried about it yeah a lot because you know even though we have projects in line is an Asia but a lot of our projects from China and then we are thinking okay we all have a lot of projects pending but actually it's not actually okay show us some participant at least you have some new clients calling and then they even suggest us to do like virtual site meeting okay so let me jump in Virginia because a couple of things I want to make sure to not leave behind so what you've just talked about is the surgeon work there's the sense of preparedness because of what you've less also this new surge in work and economists are talking about globally this pandemic does create this pent-up demand all of our business cycles are going to shift we all need to be prepared for this kind of volatility in our business cycles and supply chain cycles but what you were talking about from your perspective you know as a firm you're already obviously seeing that because you've lived a bit ahead of the curve of where we are obviously in North America Marco as someone who works with many many manufacturers and obviously because you run one of the world's largest design shows I'd love to hear what you're thinking about how are you going to encourage people to come back to Milan come back to Salone Italy was obviously hit very very hard I'm not sure you have to do a lot of encouraging to get people to come back to Italy so many of us can't wait to come back to Italy but coming back to a show that's noted right we've all seen those photos we've all been a part of those crowds with thousands and thousands of people we're all very concerned about distancing and crowds what are some steps that cilona is taking to encourage people to come back to Italy it's a it's a very interesting question we working as an association of of exhibitions to some in a common protocol that we will follow in Italy but I hope in Europe to just to have the same rules same prescription same kind of situation that you can find here in Milan or in or in Verona Bologna or in Frankfurt or for repairs and this is very important and we are working on this this way very hard then the first thing is is to wait for exhibition to start again I hope I heard that someone started the game in China and I hope did this we start again in in Italy in in Germany in so many European in September in October and this could be the first step to go towards a certain kind of normal situation if you if I if I can use this word normal it's true that maybe for the next months we have to follow very strict rules and prescriptions just to avoid all risk as possible but is it true all the same that the human being is a social animal and in the future we will need to be together because we were born together we live together and we need the contact of all the people this will this this terrible situation will last for some months I hope only some months maybe some years no but this is where we have to go back fortunately in this situation technology helped us a lot we all work his mom working I spent fortunately two months in the mountain in Switzerland because I was there with there was a lot happening in Italy in the works I work hard I work out but I also had the possibility to see beautiful countries and but this is it melting in is different now I'm in my office in the land next week we will start to have people again back again not all together not only later but we will start with people that it's easier for them to come to the office we may be cycling or with a motorbike or something like that and so we start again every firm every company in Italy as a procedure that you have to follow you avoid risk and contacts and we have all to be very very careful but I hope that technology will continue to help us but it will be a support of our life we are not the center of our life this is what I hope yeah and I think design and I think there's absolutely absolutely Colin and Marco brought this up and Virginia brought this up and amen Marco - you're saying that as human beings we are social beings and we need one another how do we communicate Colin safety and security and this place is safe to enter how what are the what are the signs and signals that we can use and I'm not talking about window clings and in signs that literally say come in what are the things that design can do to help employees clients organizations welcome their team's back to the office no that's a great question I think it's sort of seen I mean knowing that your organization as a plan right I think we're all going to be seeking safety right as we go back and and knowing that our organization has a plan and if folks are not sort of following sort of the rules of that plan that there's some kind of recourse in addition to you know even seeing that the you know restrooms are cleaned on a regular basis you know knowing that the the office is cleaned on a regular basis you know I think that hopefully will give us you know collective peace of mind but I think Marco is right I mean we are at the end of the day we're social beings and you know if we just think of last pandemics whether it be SARS or other things you know iconically actually one can try entering those ARS epidemic which is quite surreal and just seeing what they did there compared to what we're what we're seeing happening in the rest of the world you know China you know I think you know at least I learned a lot about how to do it so it's even things like making sure that there's no temperature checks and you know that kind of thing when you walk into a building you know those are the kinds of things that are going to collectively give us give us peace of mind I don't know if Nick Alaia if you have other things dad yeah I'd love to open that up - Nicola - Julia what what are the things that design can do to help people feel safe to have some assuredness about the spaces around them oh okay the way for someone else it was muna ya know I mean you know a lot of we always of course name obviously - building product but it's always around space so as informed by research and so I think that's still kind of in this kind of this I don't say first wave but sort of you know the initial I'd mentioned previously was listening with kind of you know screens and crane division creating space amongst people and like how I mentioned with their program you know week you're also looking at you know how do we you know how do we sort of we look at a space what suggest that there's this kind of space for us to be right like between one another just know to kind of still exist comfortably you know the certain primers are being done in terms of you know checking when you come into the office I don't go into I don't return back to Hayworth HQ until I think a week or two from now so I'm sort of the steps that I have to take when I come back to the office others have gone in before myself and so you know what we're doing at least is our HR group is communicating you know what all those steps are and how we do it and how does it work you know you'd hope that other you know customers another other companies are kind of taking the same sort of a caution I think that's kind of like that no the the first thing along with this kind of initial response but I guess kind of the you know the next thing you know how do we kind of move it forward from there right how do we what gonna happen in a couple months when either do we get more comfortable or do we not or say anything change you know yeah how's that gonna affect things and so you know it's it's it's like we're sort of baby steps to get people you know comfortable and I think we're not gonna realize what those are and still isn't enough was actually in this face to find out whether or not it works I think there's things like that touch this which makes complete sense those type of things but I think beyond there is that until we get enough fuel in the office were stuff to get which kind of a critical mass as to okay these things are are not working and how do we have to you know it just I think it's kind of organic nature of this opportunity requirements are really kind of you know the sin and be careful and with like the steps that we take in don't make too many assumptions in terms of what we think people may how they may be able rather really be able to understand it and sort of you know it's kind of pay attention listen and it's very it's very iterative and it's right now and then there's what's new to us and then there's what's going to be next year and I think people are there are a lot of folks out there who might be presuming the solutions they have in front of them right now may be in place a year from now or two years from now but I think that's the the biggest issue is for us to all remain fluid and open-minded and flexible almost like great largest social experiments yeah yeah exactly and patience skills have to be so keen and there will be decisions about place that will be made within weeks and sometimes on the fly but your point about keeping an eye on these next phases and phases is a very good one one inmate sorry I'm sorry I think it's funny because as designers we live in the gray we're yeah right not gray we're a bit concerned right if it's an answer we're sort of like always questioning it but yet those we can work with and buy the most of us in our organizations might be more on the black and white sort of see what they want to hear they want so do we yeah how do we work the gray into those areas what kind of feel comfortable together yeah yeah absolutely Julia what can what can workplace and retail what can we learn from hospitality yeah we've got a great example here in Hong Kong I believe and that is that leadership and having a plan as Colin was saying are two very very big important things and a handful of the luxury hospitality hotel years here in Hong Kong joined forces with Cathay Pacific the airline and created a special group called the heritage tourism board and even though these people have historically been competitors against one another vying for each other's clients they've said wait a second that's not going to help us out of this predicament let's join forces and see what we can do to really create a sense of stability and vibrancy about what Hong Kong is and what it has to offer even Hong Kongers as well as anybody visiting Hong Kong so they're going about a campaign right now to talk about all of the great things that we have here in Hong Kong they are all being made stable you know throughout this entire Colvin we've been fortunate although any death is bad we've only had four deaths due to the virus here in Hong Kong which is remarkably a very very very low note less than 1,200 cases of covin a population of seven and a half million so the containment and the sense of group that's here and how considerate people were for one another has really prevented that spread along with the experience that happened in SARS so this hospitality group has gotten together and they basically come up with a campaign first to sell the vibrancy and stability of Hong Kong to the Hong Kong people so that when the borders open and people can start traveling again lips seven and a half million ambassadors or what a great place this is to visit and there's then from there they'll branch out and start selling the concept as the borders come down to the people who will be visiting in Hong Kong and in the future so they're really focused on what's out - what can be what the possibilities are as the barrier to travel start to break down I think the wonderful example of how planning ahead without knowing the specifics of how the code will react you know we we were locked down we got everything under control and then people came back from Spring Break we had a little bit of an outbreak we got all that under control and now there's been protests again so we've got a little of our two-week period to see if there's any outcome that comes from those first round of protests is there going to be any kind of revival of the virus so far we haven't heard anything good it's possible it could come I love that point about preparedness and a little bit of what Marco was alluding to a kind of procedure and protocol but then also being accountable for our own personal responsibilities radar stake in all of this that I am responsible for your health and the health of the person who is working six feet away from me or in the same in the same workplace so that that's a good good lesson to take - sorry this is the main thing each each one of us has to be responsible for for for himself and for all the other people he starts from here everything starts over here from game from from from from our feeling that everyone has to be careful and responsible for for yourself but one of the main problems that we have to face in the next future for coming for for let the people coming to me now is the transportation this is the main the main problem that we have to face very very soon with the reopening of the countries and the transportation and this will be the key factor for our life yeah yeah that is there's so much that we have control over in getting from our home to someplace else getting from our home to our office but what we don't have a level of control over is transportation and you're correct so correct marco that is the largest concern of people particularly in large urban areas we're thinking about their return to work colin invoked it in speaking about london it is nikolai you've lived in chicago virginia you know that is the one of the largest concerns in chicago by and large people want to get back to life but it's the how we get there it's that commuting piece that we all still need to solve we are running starting to run short on time and there are a couple of questions i still want to ask you but something that comes up for so very often in this series thinking about your careers in design and the design world what advice would you give to students there are tens of thousands of students coming out of design in architecture school and coming into this profession what advice would you give to students and young professionals this is a couple of this has popped up from a number of folks in the audience so i want to make sure to to ask this question any advice for students yes I maybe I should graduate organically you know I actually graduated in a recession I didn't even know what is recession from university I'd never heard of it before so for those of you that haven't experiences this is what visible what is like you know not the funnest thing in the world but you know you know I just persevered right you have to keep the faith you know you have to work at it you have to be persistent work your network you know it's amazing you know don't be afraid I mean I'm always excited when someone a student reaches up to me or whatever it's like you know I think that what's more of them you know because it's like you know they they were brave enough to reach out and that's there's a lot about their character and you know most of us you know what I love about this profession is you know that people are incredible you know I think you know Julie or others said earlier like you know we are an incredible community and we do you know I love that as designers we are open right as Nikolai said you know we see the world differently and so don't be afraid to reach out and to ask for help or to you know to work your network so I'd say Pete be be persistent you know that would be that would be my advice if it doesn't happen their first time you know the first place if you apply you may have to apply in lots of places and you know in the near term you may have to take a job that might not be your ideal but at some point you will be able you know it's a lot of hard work and perseverance and determination at some point you will be able to sort of realize your dreams which is exactly what happened for me you know who thought you know 33 years on in my career that you know gender would enabled me to be to be living and working in London and you know the know that I was you know made a member of Hall of Fame I mean like everything I could have ever possibly dreamt on you know what happened and I know I'm super I'm really really grateful for that like really grateful you know but I had a lot of people that helped me and mentored me along the way so also don't be afraid to ask for help or to reach out to those people that maybe come to these things or know more from their from their own personal experience that's a that's a great point definitely a little patience and while you were speaking calling a question popped up from the audience when do we think firms will start hiring I I know that in Chicago many other cities hiring is actually happening now even though firms may have firing freezes they are still doing their their recruiting strategic talent their strategic hiring happening so the encouragement that I've been hearing from partners owners principles of design firms is continue to stay in touch with your connections at design firms continue to follow up patience is always a virtue but hiring is happening and will happen and but a bit of patience is definitely required Nicolai I think you were gonna jump in and say something about some advice to students yeah I mean I mean reflecting on that coming just made I mean the talent pool knows and we pie larger than it's ever ever been before yeah Italy you know from from a company from these firms there's an opportunity now and should definitely I think they're gonna want to be looking out for who who's out there who's looking at them they want to bring because now they're potentially there's a greater pool to kind of pull to kind of pull from but I would you know kind of definitely echo Colin's remarks but also you know you're now so I also graduated during a recession that was 2002 and I had the audience ideas of what I wanted to do and then I finished school and there those ideas were lessly not up the window or put on pause fortunately I had some very supportive parents who were able you know who were well I figured out what I was going to deal with what my next step was but you're now given an opportunity to really reflect and look at what you want to do and how do you want to do it and go back in and look at what you had done you know in in school and what might you change but why you modify what other things would you want to edit or or or put in there and improve mental your portfolio or think about you know the the ideas I had about I was gonna do are those little ideas that that I want to do there's something else now that I want to shift to so even some it's it's obviously a negative thing that you're not just jumping in from one position to another you know even sort of that that time to reflect and I think that can make you a stronger individual or stronger design and take advantage of that time that you're now being given rather try any quickly sort of you know find it find a solution yeah yeah yeah well I would've done that just for the size right I'll be talk to the bus you know I think this is an incredible time to self-actualize right so if the work isn't there at the moment or you're not that busy or whatever you know it's an incredible time to really get to know yourself you know I've been really lucky uh you know all of last year I traveled in trouble a little travel no it's like my heads are spinning and you know I mean I've been really fortunate to just sort of take this time and you know really think about you know am I happy am i doing things that I want to be doing right I could be dwelling on the sort of scary things or you know the other things but I think dwelling on the positive and and really you know I think come to her and so shared a coat you know which is actually Saul Alinsky's like never let a good crisis go to waste right so it's like using this time to self reflect and to ask yourself if you're doing things that you are happy doing to figure out what's important to you and you like right is this the career that you want to be doing you know where there are other things you know now is the time you know take this opportunity to push the reset button you know a little bit and figure it out you know figuring out what it is that you want to be doing in the future you know there's no better time than now we've got about five minutes left and we want to we it's been our tradition to end each episode on notes of optimism and so I would love for you all to think for two seconds and provide some closing comments and because I so loved the idea of a gap year gap you're not job board for 40 year olds that's gonna be one of my takeaways I would love to start with you and then we'll move quickly through and then we'll have to move so Julia words of optimism I think we're living in one of the most exciting times it's been around probably for the last 100 years and we may be going through a great deal of disruption right now but once we get to the other side of this I think we're going to have a fantastic world with an incredible amount of opportunities perfect Thank You Virginia give us some optimism um I think it is a very bad time but and another way is a very good time for families to get together because this is like the first time ever that I stay so much I mean spend so much time with my daughter I know her so much more so I think this is a very good time so I treasure this moment you are going to be very very busy later and then you if you want to be busy you can have it anytime okay I love that your word of optimism came with a warning you are but that that is optimist Marco give me some Italian optimism Italian optimism is that the next year we have the 60 anniversary of Salone so I hope to have all all all you to visit Salone with us in a in a safe way and we are trying to to organize the best alone ever and I think and I know that all day all the our our exhibitors will do their best to do an unbelievable event in Milano I mean I remember when it was a little kid in the Indy 70 it was the seventies where years very very tough like now very difficult with a lot of crisis battle a lot of creativity and inspiration in music in arts culture everywhere so we have we I hope this period will help us in all those kind of things beautiful to the perfecter line lies some wisdom from your Chicago roots via Berlin sure back to West Michigan give me some Western optimism Midwest I'm not sure if I'm in a Midwestern but but you know real quick you know I've never had so many custom projects with my son as I do now you know when it comes to Salone bit west that was my early spring so I'm very disappointed of course I mean you know kind of a light on it on the topic but that was my early spring and so that was taken but you know I think I think overall I think which is what's very interesting and Julia even pointed to it was that we just had the covet when we the the discussions in the topics around design around space and all that would have been sort of that dimension now that we have a sort of what's happening with the social unrest there's kind of other dimension to it and I think the optimistic part of that is that the conversations are happening almost more wholistic now because now as designers we're not asking these questions everyone's asking these questions so when we bring Kenny's bigger stick bigger ideas a conversation it's gonna be so much more of a stronger more fruitful story I just hope that we can take you know it's a matter of seizing the opportunity and taking advantage of it cuz obviously you know we all want to get back quick but we have to do it you know kind in the right way so you know as being Midwesterner we're listening we're even though we were in the middle of bringing things kind of together everyone's welcome and so I would say from the Midwest perspective it's sort of a sort of that let's bring everyone together and kind of come with a better hold as the crimp I love that yeah and it's how we're gonna tell this story Colin you've got seconds Steve yeah I mean for the building away yeah I think what Nikolai said is right on you know we're weird what I love about all this right and everything that's happened is that it's you know I do think that we now get that we're all in this together right it is going to bring us together you know we are one big global community and we will get through this together it's brought us together and I think sort of to bring at home to our profession we are really really lucky to be doing what we do right and you can just tell it's like I've never met the folks on the call suffer you Cheryl rage and you know I already feel like I know you and I'm close to you and that's that's it that is what this incredible community is that we're all part of and we will persevere and we will lead the way you know as designers we have the creativity and the intelligence to know how to take us forward and we will we will be part of leading the change and we need to you know that we will we will rise to make that happen so thank you Joe and thank you for a yeah perfect EndNote thank you so much to each of the panelists I love your EndNote that design will lead it always has it always will we will remain undiminished and strong thank you all so much here's the CEU information again and to all of you listening in thank you for your support be strong be well have a wonderful rest of your week thanks sherry