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[Music] you have fallen into Event Horizon with John Michael gadier [Music] in today's episode John is joined by Fraser Kane Creator and publisher of universe today one of the world's largest portals of space in astronomy news with over 140 000 subscribers in 2006 Fraser joined with Dr Pamela gay to create astronomy cast which is among the top-rated and most popular podcasts in the Natural Sciences remember to subscribe to Event Horizon so you never miss an episode and we're back with Fraser Kane now Fraser another thing that's been developing at Nasa lately is the talk of techno signatures in other words looking for evidence of alien life again now NASA was gun shy about this whole thing for many years you remember studies funding got yanked everybody was fighting about the labeled release experiment and what that actually meant which meant in effect no real direct life detection experiments since and all that but that seems to be changing we seem to be moving into a different Paradigm with NASA where they're willing to Rebrand study as as searching for techno signatures what are your thoughts on that do you think that that's really what NASA should be doing or should that really be remain a privately funded sort of thing oh I think it's absolutely a science question and I think Nas everyone should be thinking about this to some extent [Music] um look I think what's happening is that you've you've got this search for life that is deep in the DNA of NASA at this point the search for Life on Mars The Search of Life on Europa Enceladus one of the goals of jwst is to scan the atmospheres of exoplanets you've got other Technologies coming after which are specifically going to be looking for habitable environments and so it at a some certain point it seems crazy and I talked to Jason Wright I'm sure you've you've mentioned it many times in the past and he says like it's it's ridiculous like why can we search for dumb life but it's wrong to search for smart life and and so it's it's inevitable that you're going to wonder while we're looking for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of this exoplanet could we all to look for fluorocarbons it turns out we can well then we should and I think that it's just a natural outcome that the the capability of the current instruments is enabling these kinds of of searches and it is absolutely a scientific question are we learning the universe it's possibly one of the most important scientific questions we can possibly ask so it makes sense to ask it and and you're exactly right there's been a dramatic thawing at Nasa and other science agencies to fund this kind of research to host conferences where research has come together and talk about some clever ideas on how they could search for this it's a pretty exciting time in...