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the best retirement plan is to be poor on paper pour on paper how do you pay taxes do you pay tax on equity in your home no do you pay taxes on equity in your stocks no not until you sell them and convert them into capital gains you only pay tax on income you receive all right that's it but even that income you receive can be tax favorable if it's a return of principal if it's a roth ira or if it's social security even income you receive from qualified dividends and long-term capital gains is very favorable but essentially what's happening here when you receive a stream of income your taxes are dependent on how much of that income is earnings or interest and how much that income is return of principal i hope this makes sense earlier today i did a video where i compared a guy with a million dollars and an ira versus a guy with a i think it's 750 000 maybe in a taxable brokerage account and i proved it once and for all that the guy with 750 000 in the brokerage account here's the the notes right here the guy was 750 000 dollars in the brokerage account it was 850 000 bucks i think that's what it was it was actually more financially secure than the guy with a million dollar ira the reason for that is simple because a taxable brokerage account is taxed much much more favorably than the distributions on ira a lot of you had asked well what if it's roth roth is even better because there is no taxable roth everything's tax-free so the question that comes to mind is if i had for simplicity a million dollars in a roth ira and between charlotte and i with 60 thousand here in social security you know what my taxable income is a big fat nothing burger nothing i look like i'm a poorer than a freaking guy from ireland fleeing the irish potato famine i am knee-deep destitute if you put me on a census bureau data set they're gonna say oh my goodness josh there's no money i qualify for medicaid i can qualify for welfare even if i got my house paid off even if i got over a million dollars of net worth in liquid assets i am poor on paper so they're not coming after me man because they don't come or aft they don't tax you on net worth they don't tax you on equity they don't tax you on your property all right now in property taxes yes but they don't tax you on the act on the equity in your property other than the local property tax we are heavily contingent in relying on income taxes but income is is perceived differently again income from an interest payment comes out as taxes ordinary income now i don't want to talk municipal bond income here because municipal bond income can go into uh to being with your social security make your social security taxes so we want to avoid that if we can and frankly there's better ways to to goose your returns than having municipal bombs anyway so i'm not a fan i am a fan of looking poor on paper if you're poor on paper they can't raise your taxes unless they tax you as your as part of your total asset base which could always happen look i mean this stock i mean they're not going to tax mom and pop who own a you know 250 000 3 bed 2 bath house they're not going to tax them on that property they're not i mean again property tax but not as a basis of net worth that's simply not going to happen social security if that's your only income that is reportable as taxable income it's not taxed your roth and social security means it's tax free but here's the freaking true benefit so many people get caught up and i think they mistake they make this huge mistake they say well josh i'll be better off if i do this and that and this i'm like look basic basic psychology says i am willing if i have income today from a job i'm more able to pay higher taxes today because i'm secure in my job and it doesn't stress me out as much as anymore as as as it does when i'm retired and don't have income coming in so let me tell you what i'm talking about pay the taxes today to clear them and get them behind you even if it costs you more net i'm telling you from a mental capacity they've done studies on this the reason retirees don't spend as much is because they don't have that guaranteed source of income from a job they don't get the w2 or 1099 from a salary and so what they have in social security well it's going to be relatively minimal but anything on top that means they have to attack they have to go into principle and people get very nervous when they're going into principle they do not want the principle to decline but they're willing to spend more if they see their principle going up because they're throwing money into it at 401k contributions there's tons of studies on this people are willing to spend more and consume more when they have secure income through a salary a job they spend less and they guard it more when they are retired and don't and don't have that that salary from an income stream so if you take a guy and you're saying look guy you're gonna pay 20 000 when you're working versus fifteen thousand dollars when you're retired you should wanna pay the twenty thousand dollars while you're working so that way you don't have to pay fifteen thousand dollars when you're retired you only have to pay ten if that makes sense because even though you pay less when you're retired it still is more psychologically damaging because you've got to pay it from assets which are going to be depleted and you don't want to see those assets depleting because you also you can't go back to work you're too old so pay the taxes today to get them behind you but josh i've only been a 12 tax bracket you're only going to be in a 12 tax bracket when you're tired because you're just living off your principal but you still are going to be in the tax bracket we don't want you to pay the taxes we want you to pay it now we have a secure stable job that we don't have to worry about it again that's why i don't like this whole thing like i got to do these spreadsheets to prove that if i do roth conversions or i don't do a 401k contribution you know i'll pay you a hundred dollars more taxes later on uh today than i would if i if i did all that yes but you're putting it into the future and the future is this big unknown pay the taxes today to get it behind you pay it when you can afford it so that's look i'm just telling us what i do i don't do any uh pre-tax money it all goes to my vti in my m1 account post tax why because i want that i want to pay the taxes now get behind me that way in the future if i don't have an income stream i don't get hit with a huge tax burden i cannot tell you i've looked that's happened to me in 2018 i had no income because i quit my crappy job i took big money out of my ira oh not only did i have a you know i took a hundred thirty thousand a hundred thousand out so not only did i have to pay whatever that was uh that was so that right i only had twenty eight thousand dollars of income but i took a hundred thousand out for my ira so i had total 128 000 income i had a 22 tax bracket i had no income though so i had to take more out for my ira to pay the taxes that i had to take for take the money out to live on on top of the fact on top of the fact that a 10 penalty too you want to be poor on paper you don't want to show taxable income you want to show you want your 1040 to look like you've got no money and that way you can qualify for programs too if they're available to you look i'm not saying you should and i don't like the idea of you know qualifying for medicaid if you got that says i hate that crap but what i'm saying is we don't want you to have to pay more taxes when you're retired if it meant you paid less when you're working that does not make sense man i'm telling you from a pure psychological perspective it's so much better to live in retirement without having to pay taxes would i have to tap into your principal than to be uh to try to do these spreadsheets while you're working in order to to say i am maximizing my portfolio when i'm 70 years old yeah but man you could have just spent a little bit more in taxes today to avoid any taxes in the future even if it costs you ten thousand more taxes today you don't have to have to pay those taxes again which means even if you only save eight thousand the future you're still gonna save eight thousand the future when you don't have a job when you don't have an income when you can't go back to work if the market's declined you're relying on the markets all that stuff's behind you i hope this makes sense love to your comments be poor on paper that's the best retirement plan you can do we'll see you