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[Music] hello august worldwide i'm dave casler amateur radio call sign ke0 og here with another episode of ask dave this particular question very interesting question comes from r e klaus k-1 a-u-s okay and this is an interesting question and hams have different opinions on this okay i'll give you mine i was just watching your number 408 when is ham radio not ham radio i do not have any issue with using the internet or cell phone system as a link for signals sent and received by ham operators my big question that i haven't found an answer to yet is what is the legality of using systems like equilibar dmr etc to communicate over ham radios and repeaters that are in other countries thanks for all the information you have shared over the years well thank you let's let's talk about this a little bit the issue first really came up uh back in oh the 70s 80s when auto patch became a thing if you've ever wondered why your radio your hd has a bunch of buttons on the front it's to be able to dial telephone calls a big thing back then was to use your ht with an auto patch on a repeater to create a phone patch the word autopatch is derived from phone patches the early phone patches were connecting an hf radio to a wireline telephone and were used frequently back when long distance cost a great deal of money and so you could talk to another ham in new york and have that ham dial your relative who lived in the same city and then you could talk via ham radio to do this and there were even some rather intricate uh circuits and stuff developed by hams the phone company wasn't always happy so the ruling was that you could use ham radio to transmit these telecommunications third-party stuff and this is really wild the way it's important if the subject matter is of such utter as it sees such utter lack of importance that um what it came down to is if the communication was so utterly insignificant that recourse to the public telecommunications network was not justified in otherwise if it's was important enough to make a long-distance call then that's what you should do if it was not that important just chatting time of day and so on you could make that uh patch and just to call during the vietnam war it was very common that they had stations on bases operated by what's called the military amateur radio system now the military affiliate radio system and they would get on the handbanks in vietnam and talk to a ham in the u.s who would then make the call to the family and this was a way that people stationed in vietnam could communicate with their family the big guy who did a lot of that in fact really reveled in it was the former...