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[Music] this is Rebecca Roth and I'm gonna do something a little bit different here for the next probably five weeks or so so if you're listening on spreaker.com on vimeo.com I think we're on iTunes and also SoundCloud you probably haven't heard these before this is a program that I did for my Christmas vacation holidays and I did a 10 part series so I'm gonna what I'm going to do for each Saturday here is give you part 1 & 2 if you want to go to my membership site you can listen to all of them if you just can't wait but that's that's how I'm gonna get them out there publicly next week I'll do part 3 and 4 and then five and six and then seven and eight until we get to all tan and what I did was I kind of took my members actually this was a kind of a holiday gift and in a sense I was able to pre-record these so I could have them uploaded so every day the membership site instead of getting the news over the Christmas holiday they got deeper into 911 from inside the Airlines perspective so I flew for more than 30 years and I believed in everything that they told me to until I found out that some of the hijackers were still alive so I started looking and as a result I found some huge discrepancies according to airline standards FAA protocols and that type of thing as I continued looking and I've published my first book in 2014 methodical illusion and if you haven't read the series yet there's now four of them I'm working on the fifth as well as a nonfiction using the Freedom of Information Act data and other information and experience from a team team of aviation experts that have joined me as a consequence of doing coast-to-coast am with George Noory on the first book and did another one with the fourth book methodical exposure just released last year so if you're interested in really getting into the 9/11 story so you really understand what happened you might want to read the novels if you don't read novels and I get a lot of email from people I never read novels but I read these you can purchase them autographed and personalized at my online bookstore and you can go to the dot-com for each title methodical allusion methodical deception methodical conclusion and methodical exposure each one's a.com and you can go to the bookstore if you go to behind the galley curtain calm you can click on the main menu and it'll take you to the bookstore also and you can also order them on Kindle at Amazon and any from an e-book store actually you can just give them the author's name Rebecca Roth and the title of the books you can find all the numbers and everything you need to order them if you prefer libraries libraries will also order them for you so if you don't like to accumulate books when I'm finding especially with airline people but a lot of the readers are reading through the first time digesting and then they go back with a highlighter because there's a lot of information and there's a lot of stuff that I built into the story and it is a novel so you be prepared for that it's a novel and so I am not the main character but the main character very Hansen is a protagonist she's a combination of lots of people that I knew and still know and now I'm still working with lots of people from United American Airlines and others several others even international airlines that have brought forth more information and stories so I think you'll I think you'll enjoy it it's a nice way of really touching with what really happened and I think if you pay an attention to what's been going on with Russia controlling our president hoax you'll understand more how the CIA and the FBI cover each other and are able to pull off a coup d'etat or a hoax or create something send innocent people to jail and that sort of thing so what I'm going to do is just give this introduction for each one of these and you'll hear the same thing each week if you like to go deeper into 911 you can become a member at my membership site and it is behind the galley curtain comm and it says low is four dollars a month you can come in for one month three months six months or 12 months it's up to you how you want to go into that I do a daily news just really current event new stuff every day breaking down some of the things that maybe the mainstream media doesn't talk about are afraid to talk about our mean quite frankly sometimes are covering up so I welcome you to join me over there and for the next five weeks here on Spreaker vimeo.com soundcloud everywhere on youtube youtube I I usually don't mention because they've already taken my a couple years of programs down Saturday programs and I and really what happened was I showed I think this is actually somewhere located in the Spreaker has all the audios from everything I've done but this was a screen capture of inside the Freedom of Information Act dated I have about almost a terabyte of so you could see that some of the files like the terrorists supposedly voices we have some planes we're going back to the airport were uploaded before the planes left Boston so when I found stuff like that I went oh dear well we got to look a little bit deeper in the things that I found have come out in the books especially book three and four because by that time I had quite a team of aviation experts joining me and the stuff that we found was pretty let me just say this way from an airline perspective pretty frightening and pretty eye-opening and I can see the whole thing is unfolding again how the mainstream media if you've never looked into operation Mockingbird you might want to do that how they are very much controlled and we were not necessarily given anything even close to the truth about 9/11 so there you go without further ado I will be attaching this video to part one and two next week you'll probably hear the same thing two three and four and then five and six and down the line till all ten of them are out there again I hope you'll consider joining us we have a chat room there and if you have any questions and we talk about the daily news and things that are going on at behind the galley curtain comm and there you go all right this is Rebecca Roth and this is gonna be our holiday special it's gonna be a little bit different than our daily show because I want to record these so that a ramjet and I both can spend time with our families our kids or pets golf clubs Christmas trees all of those things that we both have to do I want to do actually over the holidays so what I'm gonna do is record no I don't know how many there's gonna be but let's just say that time a period between Christmas and New Year's I know it's about ten days so we're gonna go in and we're going to talk about just a little bit more in depth and I think what I'd like to do is kind of start by talking about the books in and the information that was that kind of came through the novels in order so that we can you know kind of I can share some stuff with you guys so and we'll try to make these be about 30 minutes long so you guys don't I mean if you're bored and you want to get away from your family and you want to hear the Daily Show you don't do Christmas whatever then we won't take up up all your time anyway so we'll try to do this and that's what's going to happen in this will be on number one and I'm not sure well title these something special something a deeper dive into 9/11 part one or something like that so you're saying that these are people that don't do Christmas are these the nudist Buddhists winter out anything so anyway first off I guess you know I think I'll answer I'll pose a question to myself and I'll answer that question I know a lot of people have asked me this and a lot of people have a hard time differentiating what is real and some people have been gonna caught up a mi Veera well I'm not grace so no so let me just kind of explain why did I write the books as a novel or a novel series actually and why did I do what I did at the beginning of methodical Aleutian so to answer that question I really wanted people to understand how uniquely different flight attendants are I know that I'll mention the gentleman that I dedicated methodical exposure the fourth book to actually admitted this and this kind of a cute story and I'll share it now because he's passed on but when somebody contacted him and told him about some of the information I had released in the first two books and he did a little listening and he couldn't believe that as a flight attendant was smart enough to know about p-tech number one because p-tech you'll remember was the software company startup that michael chertoff had really helped this foreign owned company get into 22 I believe US government computer systems and they were working at Edwards Air Force Base with DARPA on the remote control system since the mid to late 80s so when he found that out it was like well wait a minute this is a flight attendant with brains this is I gotta meet this person so that the what he call that the stereotypical minds in other words he'd had grace as a flight attendant on all the flights he ever taken that's possible it is possible but it's I got a good laugh out of it because then but before he actually passed away this last spring and and he actually admitted to this a to me a couple times but because I had gone so deep into this and then we went through a lot of the FOIA data together in the radar in text and I would literally was teaching myself how to be an air traffic controller and actually it was something I thought I was gonna do when I was in high school I had had looked into it as a career so I was you know I had a draw to it anyway but I was on taking online courses so to speak on how to get through all that this voya datum so when we connected then he admitted a few times I you you might be the smartest person I've met and I've met a lot of astronauts because he actually did a LAN some space shuttles and then have what do you call this social time at a place near Edwards Air Force Base called the office with the some of them where we would you know socialize and drink beer type of socializing and tell stories so I always I got a good laugh out of well you know lots of careers you know there are sterile stereotypical types of people for example programmers you know there's certain elements to programmers that are kind of all the same and they don't very much flight attendants and pilots I would think are a vast variety of people I mean there is maybe a stereotypical type of flight attendant that you might think of which is the grace type but you know I think your experience is indicated that there are a vast array of people who become flight attendants anywhere from you know former morticians to you know astrophysicists well that's one reason why I wanted to bring in the real part of the airline life and really I think quite frankly Avera is kind of a combination of several different people she's stoic she's mature she's she's a widow so she's been around she's senior in hearse you know scheduling abilities and she's nice to the younger more junior flight attendant which I bring in His grace and grace was kind of a valley girl you know typical all she was really interested in was finding a man with money and getting jewelry and that sort of thing and I think everybody knows those kind of people doesn't matter what job you're in but there there there in the airline too but yeah there's people that are lawyers that are flight attendants on their days off people that because once you once you get to be able to hold a schedule then you can easily work two jobs a lot of the pilots maybe started construction companies or ran large farms or you know did other jobs and they actually had another job maybe some of them sold real estate or were real estate brokers so there because of our job allows us to bid our schedule to bid our days off it's kind of like well I want to bid to work my other job Monday through Friday so I'll work Saturday Sundays or you know that sort of thing so there's a lot of different jobs I worked with several advanced trauma and cardiac care nurses that were a top of the line in their field but there because they were a lot senior they had maybe you know 30 years seniority they could bid to fly a low schedule when I say low schedule maybe you know 67 hours or maybe 70 hours a month flying which they could accomplish in just a couple two or three trips but then also they have the benefits of the airlines I'm curious what are the benefits I mean what we hear that flight attendants they can fly wherever they want for you know next to nothing but be a little more specific as to what an airline person can do both pilots and undo pilots have more benefits than flight attendants well know and it's kind of a misnomer that you fly for free although you kind of can if you want to fly on a jump seat but that's not the most comfortable way to go but but it's kind of more of a guarantee where you can go and prior to 9/11 the pilots actually could pretty much get on and ride in a jump seat in the cockpit if there was a jump seat open and you could reserve those a lot of airlines changed all of that after 9/11 so don't know what they're doing which each airlines doing now but in general flight attendants and pilots both have both have the same travel benefits and that would be the company would set a price tag on a domestic flight say you could go from anywhere you wanted from A to B on a ticket that cost you a set price if you were in coach it may be you know fifteen or twenty dollars or if you were in first class or a business class it would be a little bit more so and you could go if you went international then there's another bracket where that would go so and there are URI Airlines a little bit different but usually you have to pay a very nominal fee I know a lot of people years ago you say oh you just pay the taxes I don't know if it worked out that we just have a standard most airlines have like a standard fee for coach Orbitz our first class now I have a niece who works in the airline I think she's a reservation agent but her parents are allowed to fly on that particular airline or some Airlines I don't know but my my sister actually has the ability to fly and she uses that because her daughter is working with the airline how does that work well the same airline people it doesn't matter what you do for the airline you'll have the same flight benefits in general except ground people can't sit in the cockpit and other people only flight attendants consider on a flight attendant jump seat for example I think that's probably system-wide across the country so if you're a reservations agent or you're a ramp person or a ticket agent or a flight attendant or a pilot you or a mechanic there's a mechanics to you can you get the same benefits so on your days off and everybody gets to bid they're scheduled and kind of build what days they want to work and in all centers around seniority and so that's why as far as the 9/11 thing goes there was some red flags for me because a lot of the people that were involved in the crew were not senior enough to hold a schedule and one of the things about that particular those particular flights that were transcontinental flights over to California spending the nay the night coming back the next day a two-day trip transcontinental is quite senior especially on a Tuesday Wednesday now I've heard you mention you know not being able to hold a schedule yeah I'm a little confused what does that really mean and you know if you're a junior person just starting out you know you've been a flight attendant for a week and a half and you're bidding but you're bidding against all these people that are far more senior than you what kind of schedule are you going to have at that point and how long does it take you to get to where you basically can you know fly to London once a week and you know that's your scheduler fly to Japan once a week and you know you don't have to do the crappy little puddle jumpers well that again varies by the airline the type of flying that they do and because some airlines just fly domestic one type of aircraft for instance Southwest Airlines they only fly the 737 and inside the United States I don't know that they're doing any international stuff they may I don't fly so they may have maybe they go to Mexico yeah picked up something like that you certainly don't fly to China yet yes so if you're like United or American you can fly domestic you can be a flight attendant and or you can be a purser and so you can fly international and what happens is depending upon the size of your base and the seniority of that base for example if you're in Los Angeles or you're in San Francisco it's a more senior base with every company then say Newark and you would be in the most junior base at a place like Newark and maybe Dallas Fort Worth would be the next most junior base so do you get to decide where your base is or does the airline assign you a particular base initially when you get out of training you're assigned a base and then you can go through the system as you've been employed and you have now a seniority date and a seniority number you can request to be transferred when spots open up let's just say you're you're out of training and you're based in New York and it's very expensive and you're not making very much money and you've got 12 roommates in a one-bedroom studio apartment that's the kind of stuff that you kind of have to go through at the beginning and you really want to be based in San Francisco but the most junior person in San Francisco has been flying for 18 years and I kid you not that could be the case so it's gonna take you a long time to get there so your next best bet would be to get into you know another base let's just say you know Chicago and you think well I've got an aunt there it's not too bad i don't mind winters i really like the pizza you know so you'll put in for that and then you know spend time there if you don't want to be in new york and then just wait until the position opens up so if you are a very junior person and you're based in new newark or some place around the the new york metropolitan area what kind of flights use are you gonna be able to take and bid for and and hold i mean you say you can't fly la sierra you can't play from Newark to Los Angeles if you've only been a flight attendant for six months to a year that's a schedule that's a schedule so you could fly it as a reservist though and every Errol is a difference well every airline is different once you have enough seniority to hold a flight schedule then you can go in and there it's usually there's a there's every Airlines a little bit different on this but usually go into a computer system and you bid and say I want to fly this particular pattern or sequence which would be say flight 11 out flight 12 back in I mean using the 9/11 stuff on Tuesday and Wednesday and that would that particular sequence would be given a number and then you would bid to have you know I want that number on that day it's like a trip number and there's somebody more senior than you bids the exact same thing you get kicked out right you have to have enough seniority if there's you know let's say flight 11 had nine flight attendants on board so if you're in the top nine in seniority then you can hold that but if you're you know number 25 you don't get it you're not gonna hold that particular trip as certain trips are more senior than others for instance usually going outbound on a Tuesday is a lighter load so it's less work and that usually goes more senior which was the case on 9/11 so that's kind of how that works it's kind of complicated and every airlines just a little bit different how they do it but it's kind of it's like a I looked at it like it's a wish list and depending upon how much seniority you have you can pick a better trip now you were asking me about what kind of trip can you first fly now as a schedule when you're junior well a lot of times those are trips that are like six stops a day on a smaller aircraft are j or 737 or something like that and you literally would make five or six stops a day and have a very short layover and domestically and then get up and do it again and that might be a four days in a row of that that's hard flying so one of the things that I've heard you say is that on 9/11 there are a number of really junior flight attendants that had no business being on that particular flight because really flying on say flight 11 you know cross country like that it was a really senior position somebody had to have been in the airlines for you know 15 20 years to be able to hold that is that is that what you're is that correct yeah I would say yeah I'm gonna guess with both of the both of the airlines involved maybe a dozen years ten to twelve maybe you could hope me junior but yeah some of the people that were crew members had 30-plus years so how do you explain the fact that people that had been flying for a year or less were actually crewed to fly those planes that day I mean how do you explain it well I'm not positive that I have a explanation other than they needed some of them needed to be there and so and that goes a little bit deeper than I'm willing to go at this particular time because I'm still diving into two into that and I'm really gonna cover it in depth in the nonfiction book but logically they shouldn't have been and couldn't have been there that's right that's correct and and there were lose a red flag there were more than 50% of the flight attendants that got a last-minute call that were that had similarities they got a last-minute call and they didn't have enough seniority to get there and that's a real high rate for a reservist to be called in or last-minute replacements but 50 percent is a lot for the another of the whole I think there were flight 25 flight attendants and at least 13 or 14 were last-minute call ups and they also had some interesting history that kind of correlates to you know typically maybe five percent two percent you know that that our last-minute call up sort of reservists that are gonna fly now these are people's let's say somebody calls in sick and says you know that it had bid the thing a bit of flight and they'd been around for a long time and they could hold it but they called in sick and so the scheduler is going to call a reservist maybe that's right that's how it would work and and you say fifty percent is just way out of the standard deviation for that so what is that typical you might have one or two one or two instead of fifteen thirteen or fourteen out of the twenty five so the alarm bells are going yeah well and that's one of the interesting things about 9/11 is that the mmm most of the pilots were all last minute call ups and and that gets kind of complicated and again I'm going to cover it in the nonfiction but once you've been assigned a trip and it's on your schedule weather and also this works for a reserve when you are on reserve it's on call you you're on call to be called up to crew any aircraft that you're qualified on now some airlines you have to qualify for instance to fly over water so if a flight to Hawaii opened up and you weren't qualified they would go down to the next person that was over water qualified so there's different positions like that that come into play a little bit too but it still all goes down the line and send you or any order so if your number is up so to speak and the flight opens up and they need you and you're qualified on that aircraft they will call you up and say you're gonna go on this trip but they're not going to then once they give it to you take it away for any reason which is another thing we saw in 9/11 also now I want to know about the pilots for example if you you become a pilot and I assume when you start out you're a very junior pilot and you're in the right seat meaning you're the copilot and you know you work your way up and the object is to get into the left seat become a pilot now are there left seat pilots that are less senior than co-pilots does that happen or I mean or does it work up I mean how does that work if you're a co-pilot you become a a pilot and everybody else is below you as a co-pilot I'm making sense no but but it is it's a very confusing thing so let me try to make it make sense to you because it is kind of confusing seniority on an aircraft for the pilots is left seat as the captain or right seat as the first officer or the co-pilot so those are two different positions after you get qualified to become a captain once you get enough seniority to be a captain and then you've got the ladder of the different aircraft and each aircraft usually holds a different pay rate so what would what did everybody want to do they want to get the longer trips the higher pay and so that's kind of the drive in general but there are so it's always going to be people that want to stick to flying a 737 because that's the plane they love and they don't want to get into a triple 7 or a 767 or even the seven five seven okay now that's a Ameri see if I can explain this let's say I joined airline as a pilot in January and you joined the airline as a pilot in June so we're six months apart but I'm more senior than you because I've been there six months longer now could you become a and we're both flying in the right seat and had just having a grand old time could you become a pilot before me a captain I mean a captain before me if I if I went to a different airplane an aircraft and you stayed on one you could probably do that because there's there's not just the left and right seat there's different airplanes that people will qualify on so if you're qualified as a 737 captain and you wish to stay there or you're qualified as a 737 first officer or co-pilot and you descend I love this position you don't have to ever be the captain but the ego usually drives you to it and then the paycheck gets bigger what I still be more senior than you even if you became a captain well I see that's where seniority splits away from because you're talking apples and oranges the captain's an apple the first officer is an orange and then when you throw in the fruit basket of the 737 747 57 57 67 77 and then the air buses and all the different aircraft so it's very very complicated I think I've made my point to you on that however the most important thing I'm trying to relate this back to 911 now the most important thing I think in 911 is that there were several pilots that had bid to fly those flights that were removed by the company without explanation and that does not happen just as the captains that were called up at the last minute even though they bid to have September 11th off because they had a party planned or they had a some kind of big meeting planned or something on their farm planned or something like that or they have one of the dentist our dead dentist and every now I mean let's say you bid your days off in there yours and so all of those pilots on 9/11 were senior enough to not ever have the company call them up and say we're going to make you fly on your day off because that doesn't happen so who did call them that's the question that everybody should be asking who made that phone call when was the decision made to pull this off and the whole 9/11 event because there was a lot of scrambling done and there were a lot of people that were taken off the trips that shouldn't have been we talked about a purser in methodical illusion there's a story about a purser who was commuted now it's common know so I'm going to talk about that for a few seconds it's common for us because we begin after you get in there for a year or two you start looking at an airplane and you start looking Oh New York to Miami that's only three hours hey what the heck I can do that you start to look at airplanes as buses it's like oh I can commute to Paris we I actually flew with people that commuted from Europe several cities in Europe not just several cities in the United States as a commute they would come in to the United States and bid to fly they're flying back to back in between they'd stay in hotels commuter hotels are a commuter apartment with other airline people and get their flying done in you know nine or ten days and then they go back to Europe and live so let me make sure I understand this if I didn't if I was a pilot you know a left seat pilot with lots of seniority and I bid to fly from Boston to San Francisco or Boston to Los Angeles and that's my schedule and I'm gonna hold it and all of a sudden the airline calls up and says you know ramjet you're out or putting Rebecca Roth in she's gonna fly that that's you mentioned that that's just absolutely highly unusual doesn't happen if that had happened I would have had the right to pitch a wholly Pizzi fit right yeah there's some union contracts that cover stuff like that so there's an agreement with the company when I bid to have my my flying or my days off such and such when I bid to have that off or to have to have my schedule on such an affiuent order the company cannot come at you and say I mean they can do that if there's some weird thing for instance after 9/11 we had airplanes parked all around the world with no cruise because everybody had been sitting for you know 5 or 10 days or longer trying to get you know flights passengers crew members everybody going so everybody kind of did something very different but that's about the only time I can think of in my 30-plus years that things were not as they should be and you really didn't have the ability because everything wasn't up and running because though it was very unusual but prior to 9/11 on September 10th if you were a pilot and you were on a schedule to fly that the company would not change that for you and that happened so if that was my situation and they changed that and I'm ready to pitch a holy tizzy fit and I'm all ready to just absolutely come unhinged and then I find out the plane flew into a building and everybody died I'm not quite as upset as I might have ordinarily been probably wouldn't have filed a grievance on that exactly but and there are pilots that have come out now and and spoken about it and keep in mind that after 9/11 I think that a lot of people that should have been or were supposed to be or at the last minute didn't get on or last minute had their trip removed from them have now had to deal with the survivor's guilt and because they a lot of them don't know the truth of what really happened that day they don't know that some of those crew members were allowed to live so they're still suffering from the survivor guilt and yeah they didn't complain but that that was not a customary understood event and I know I can think of one of the captains who had a very large event going had people coming in from foreign countries from Asia visiting his farm and in the last minute then the afternoon hour early evening of the September 10th he got a phone call we don't know who called him and he was told he had to be on one of those flights and his wife actually was a flight attendant oh that that's not right but she just kind of went away I don't know it's like I'm not going to question it but then again afterwards you know a lot of those pilots and flight attendants were raised up as heroes they were just flying a trip they didn't do anything right so I'm not I never could figure out why they were heroes because they never followed protocol they didn't do if they were heroes here's what would happen the hijackers would have been taken out killed incapacitated one in one or the other the planes would have landed safely and we would still have those people with us today that's a successful hijacking and that's what the protocols were were made to do and that's why when they didn't follow protocol people started wondering why they didn't and if you look at that I think it's pretty clear now that we know what we've learned in book four why this was a success in some people's eyes but not in others because maybe the whole idea for the success was pulling off something that looked like what they showed us a bit of a hoax so there you go that's we're going to end this one right here and this will be number number one and then we'll be just gonna continue this on we're going to talk about so you guys can understand a lot of stuff we'll talk a lot about everything that came through all four books all right part two of the Christmas special all right we're gonna continue on talking about a bit about the airline stuff oh I thought ramjet was gonna sing jingle bells maybe later maybe at the very end okay so why don't we talk about kind of explained to you this time and this one is about the first half of methodical illusion and why did I write that the way it was you know I decided that the best way to introduce all the information that I'd uncovered just in my research about 9/11 and a lot of it was open source stuff that had been out there but one of the things I had to do was also tune weep through this crazy conspiracy theories and a lot of them were written by people that have maybe never flown or only flown half a dozen times in their life but haven't done it professionally didn't know what an airline how an airline operates or what we do and so if you think about this in the first half or so of a methodical illusion I take you into the catacombs of the airline where the glamour hides from you you don't get to see it it's where we go to check-in and what I wanted to do was explain to you so that you would understand this too so when you see some goofy professor talking about the flight attendants being kidnapped and voice morphed and all this nonsense you will understand how it works so I want to kind of explain a little bit basically when you were talking about you know back in the catacombs I don't think there was any glamour there was her I mean the couches were all the tables and chairs were kind of a mess you know been around since about 1430 and you know as newspapers all over the place I don't know if that's where the glamor hides making sure I was being facetious right make sure I don't ever get the Bible on there here's the funny thing because all airlines are kind of the same that I probably had at least a half a dozen or more different airline employee company people say did you fly for a B or C because that's exactly what our office was like so just so you understand how this works and it's not always the same on one of my offices was located in the in a different area than this but it is often the case is that and the reason for that is that there's these offices down underneath the terminal and that's on the same level as the tarmac and there's reasons for that and it does all make really good sense because the their luggage handlers the mechanics the operation dispatchers the we all have access to the tarmac by an outside stairs that leaves the jetway if you get to the airplane and you look off to your right there's usually on usually on the right sometimes it'll be on the left but oftentimes it's on the right and there's a door there before you get on to the airplane you see the airplane doors open and if you look on both sides you'll find a door it looks like he has a window in it a door and that door opens to a stairs and so we would be able to come and go the pilots can access to do their walk-around their pre-flight walk-around we always joked that they would just go down and kick the tires that's not all they would do but to you know make sure that everything was good there weren't holes or we hadn't hit a bird or there wasn't something wrong with that you know missing bolts or something flat tires yeah and there could be those because they they get found too sometimes tires will go flat on a landing so before the plane takes off Owen of the pilots has to go and do a walk-around and that's how they get down there so it does make sense so you know offices are often down there and they're often you know not the fanciest places so and that and their Reno we don't stay down there very long and unless you're waiting for a flight to go somewhere and you don't want to sit in the terminal you can sit down in a crew lounge area so let me just tell you what would happen to so you guys know because I think that it's important that we dispel some of the conspiracies and why you understand that this is kind of how this works if you as a flight attendant been given a flight whether you bid for it on your schedule or you were on reserve or picked it up off of some sort of open flying system like there's and if there's Cruise positions open because the flight becomes full or because somebody's sick there's a position open board or a open flying system where you could go in and if you needed to build up your schedule because maybe you'd gotten sick or you making up sick time or wanted extra flying time that month you could go in and say oh there's an open trip right there I'll pick that up if you have the seniority when you go in and request it it works usually that way so let's just say you've got a trip on your schedule on September 11th and your departure time is 8:00 a.m. well what happens I think this is important that people understand is that in it it depends on the airline your width and the time so don't hold me this is not if it United's a little bit different or Americans a little bit different or Southwest a little bit different every airlines a little bit different but just to give you an example if your departure with your passengers onboard and the door shut is 8:00 a.m. you need to be on that airplane 45 minutes to an hour before departure so you've got to be on the plane let's just say one hour before at 7 a.m. now the plane is leaving from the terminal and inside that terminal is your offices and your in-flight services offices where the flight attendants check-in but before you leave your house you have a two hour check in call so at 6 a.m. if not sooner because sometimes it takes longer to fly or to drive to the airport so you buy minimum of two hours or maybe it's two and a half for a different airline but let's just say two hours you have to call crew scheduling and say this is Rebecca Roth my name my employee number is 1 2 6 7 8 5 9 and I'm on a sequence pattern number 122 which is flight 11 and he says okay you're checked in that's two hours before departure if I don't make that call they'll call a reserve to replace me and I'm in trouble so I know that everybody just thinks that we're part of the airplane but we're not so that's kind of how that works so if you know you're leaving on an 8:00 a.m. departure and you've got a two-hour drive or maybe bad weather it's two and a half or three hour drive you could call in at five in the morning and check in and say I'm on my way then you need to be in the check-in lounge or at the offices where you're signing in or computer checking in you're just typing your name and your number and your pattern number is sequence number into a computer system or talking to a human sometimes there and there's there that - they're there you have supervisors there they give you your paperwork for your flight they then you go into a usually a briefing room oftentimes and you will meet the rest of your crew these could be people you've never seen in your life these are people that have had the same training as you they may have flown for six months or they may have flown for 40 years everybody's got a seniority number and in the work position inside the airplane however many if you're on a double isle airplane like a 767 and there's the maybe nine crew members then you've got a purser and they be the person position and then in seniority order people choose what they like to work now some people really like the aft galley they just like to be organized and do the food stuff some people prefer a beverage cart and a meal cart and they like to do it in a certain section of the airplane so if they have enough seniority to hold their favorite position that's how they bid to work a particular position some people prefer to sit in the aft three right jump seat for example like Betty Ong did so that's what happens so you literally have from five or six in the morning three let's just say roughly say three two to three hours before your scheduled departure with passengers on board in the door shut you're talking to people at crew scheduling who are writing you down into the computer with ears they import certain thing that was never ever mentioned by any crew member on 9/11 and you heard me say it this is Rebecca Roth and I'm my employee number is one eight seven six five four three two one and I'm checking in for such-and-such a sequence any time an employee from an airline talks to anybody in the airline they give their employee number with their name every stinking time and that's the one thing that we never saw anybody do on 9/11 and there's no reason they didn't that's a logical reason so you see how hard it would be to be kidnapped right most of the time not all of the time but most of the time our offices are located on the secure side of security or they're in a if they're not on the secure site of security they're on let's just say I can think of one office it was a mezzanine level above the ticket counter level there's a mezzanine level where you had to know the code to get yeah the elevator to move up to that level and then you had to know the specific code to get into the office so only airline employees or in this case only flight attendants for and the our support so supervisors and that sort of thing could get into those offices so they were they were pretty good not particularly on the right on the secure side of security but they were in secure secure offices so nobody could just come in and grab you because they'd have to have all the codes to get in and there were different codes to get into the elevator and also to in the specific specific office that you had so the idea of somebody kidnapping an entire crew member and that's one thing I wanted to do when I brought Vera into a meeting and where she waited and met grace Lewis was that she was sitting down there and kind of the catacombs waiting area where the vending machines are and you know there's old newspapers or magazines that maybe were torn and and they were from the airplane but some little child got into an ripped em well rather than throw them away they'll throw them down into the crew lounge area where sit and wait for you know to go crew a fleet or go commute on a flight so if somebody were gonna go hijack or kidnap I should say if somebody were gonna kidnap an entire crew it become like herding cats or I can just imagine you know it's it's actually impossible it's like like you would see you know sometimes mothers have children with harnesses on in the grocery store and so you'd have nine or ten or fifteen flight attendants with their little harnesses on that's how you would go about hijacking them right well in other words it is impossible it's such a ludicrous idea and that's when I realized that there were that the 9/11 event was filled with I can think of three right off the top of my head of professors that had no idea how we go to work and what happens when we go to work and how in touch we are with the airline I mean they just had no idea and so that was such a ludicrous conspiracy theory that I just like when I found that I thought oh my god this is crazy what else don't they know and what else do they think so I just wanted to kind of dispel that because it's not just like we just you know throw on our uniform and decide to go to an airport terminal and get on a plane that's not how it works it's very organized and by the way we bid for a schedule like a month in advance so by the usually by the 20th or maybe the 23rd of November let's say we'll know exactly what our schedule is for the month of December and then same for January we will know by a certain there's a bid cutoff date and somewhere usually between the 18th and the 24th of the month prior and then you'll know now in a methodical illusion you know you paint the picture of an airplane flying into the patriot hotel and the first lady essentially is killed now that's obviously just part of the novel that didn't really happen we don't have a first lady that was killed in Las Vegas but then you follow that up because Vera is flying back from Japan and she's landing I don't remember exactly where she was you know coming into but she has a security briefing how realistic is that well you know I put that in there so that people could understand initially and especially if you're flying here you know seven miles off the surface those in those days in 2001 we didn't have any Wi-Fi onboard so we were really out of touch if cellphones didn't work especially in her case she was flying in from Asia it's a long flight 10 12 hours 14 hours so it depends upon you know where are you leaving from and where you're landing at but you know that roughly 12 hours in the air without knowing what's happening on the surface of the earth though you don't know if there's been a volcano eruption or an earthquake or you just stare detached from the news because we didn't have Wi-Fi in those times so what happened when there was an incident what I wanted to do was kind of show people how long it takes for everybody in the airline and we had a saying let the press be damned we the companies every company has a spice a spokesperson this speaks to the press about any event we don't not the baggage handlers not the ticket agents not the flight attendants not the pilots none of us are to speak to the press and so I wanted to kind of bring in how out of touch you are when you come in from a long flight like that something has happened involving your company and yet you're going to walk through the airport terminal to commute home like verad was commuting back to the west coast in her uniform and you know you're going to get asked questions strangers are going to stop you and say oh you're with the airline involved in that incident what happened and stuff like that so I wanted to kind of just portray two things there that they didn't quite have all the tails to give any details to the crew that had come in again to remind them let the press be damned don't talk to anybody we have spokespersons that do that and how it affected people emotionally that they lost a Plane full of passengers and crew members that we all probably knew it to one degree or the other sometimes you fly if you particularly fly a Friday Saturday Sunday trip and you're with other moms that want to fly Friday Saturday Sunday trip because that gives them the rest of the week to get their kids to you know football practice or ballet lessons or you know whatever pick up their kids at school and take them you know as we do as parents so it's often times if you're flying one particular sequence or pattern a to be on certain days my Friday Saturday Sunday Saturday Sunday Monday you'll be flying with the same people but that's not always the case there it's often times you'll get on you won't know anybody in your crew have never seen him before in your life and even find thirty years I mean you could get on an airplane with a dozen other people and never have flown with one of them before well one of the other things I thought you did really well in that book is he made it known to the reader that flight attendants and pilots it's all one big family it's not like a football team it's not like the Giants against the Jets I mean you don't root for one and not the other so if you're from America and are United or delt or wherever you're from if something bad happens to one of the those particular airlines you all feel it is that right oh yeah it is a huge family and that's funny because now you know I've since I've written the books I've become friends with lots of family members crew members from all over l all kinds of airlines all over we do we all kind of talk the same language and we all have had the same experiences for example just the other night I have a friend that had flown in and has an hour-and-a-half drive home so we did a FaceTime audio and talked literally talked the whole way her commute home driving she'd flown in from Europe and now that I got off the phone and only two flight attendants could do that like we just did and the time just flew and that we really were just we were talking and we were talking about lots of different things but you know for me I can sit back and I'm so glad I'm not doing that anymore but I can relate to every experience that she had on her flight and on the layover so yeah it's kind of interesting and it doesn't matter if you're in Australia Australia or England or Germany I'm going to talk the same language and we do talk the same language we are one big family and so whenever something happens like 9/11 happened I wasn't working for one of the airlines that had happened for two but we were all involved and we were all touched much more so than the passengers because it was it was our life it was our world and so our world really got changed upside down backwards and inside out much more so than you would notice as traveling as a passenger I know your life's changed a little bit with you know having to take off your shoes or your belt or whatever but ours really really did because I think in a lot of aspects we realized that what we were told and what we'd experienced before when you need jet scramble they usually are on your wing tip of six minutes maybe ten at the max to help guide you down and to safety when we what we all experienced I think collectively across the country was that the arse what we thought was a safety net I covered this in methodical deception when Vera decides it's time to retire not only was she hooking up with the president who had lost his wife but it was time to retire because she knew the truth well she knew a lot of it she didn't know all of it at that book but she knew that the most important thing is that what we were told and shown and what had been the situation in the previous years and that would be 30 plus years was that the military was going to scramble in be there and help us and the air traffic control system was set up so that everything our code words everything was done right and we practiced all that hijacking protocol every year and then it was going to work because it always worked but didn't get used that day and what I think a lot of us saw was there was a system that was broken and so we lost a lot of hmm confidence in a way I guess and the system that was there to protect our passengers and ourselves oh one of the other things I think he brought out in that in that book was you know you mentioned you know methodical deception and thinking about retiring but one of the things that you know she wasn't able to do was basically look passengers in the face and be confident with the fact that all of our systems are going to work because they didn't work on 9/11 and no explanation why they didn't there's never been a logical explanation I remember because I flew first several years afterwards I never could understand why it was that nobody in air traffic control or in the military in the Pentagon nobody lost their job but on the other hand most everybody that didn't do their job correctly on that day by scrambling Jets immediately realizing that they had no radio contact with these planes right away I mean they didn't understand what was going on they were totally confused and they dropped the ball at air traffic control and instead of losing their jobs they got promoted and that's everywhere from the in the Pentagon in the military on up that nobody lost their job and that was another thing I thought that but yet they they built these crew members up to be heroes and I think well how could they be heroes a hero would have landed the plane and everybody would have got off safely a hero a flight attendant hero would have told us how somebody got into the cockpit if they did but nobody ever said that they did this was something something that we were told but the flight attendants didn't tell us that so there was there were things and then all the 302s that have been chained I mean if the story has just absolutely morphed and I think it started morphing when somebody that day realized that cell phones did not work above about 15 to 18 hundred feet elevation which is like the first three three to five seconds of your flight well you know as a flight attendant and its pilot you know you fly every week or maybe two or three times a week and you see all kinds of different people I mean you probably in your 30-year career you probably saw 10 million people on flights and yet you kind of portrayed a sense that if you are very protective of those passengers even though you don't really know them and may never see them then again explain that to me a little bit you know the protective nature that pilots and flight attendants have over their passengers and if there's a problem your job is to protect them well it's the magic of that uniform and I think police officers and firefighters understand exactly what I'm saying you no longer are you're the wife the sister the mother once you put that uniform on you've got a whole different ballgame going on you've got a whole different set of priorities and so we are really literally not just there to serve you a coke and 7up but we are there to give you CPR to shock you back to life with a defibrillator to give you the Heimlich technique to stop the bleeding if you have a incident where you know we're in turbulence and all of a sudden you some part of the ceiling panel falls down and cut your arm or your leg if you're choking on food we can take care of that with the Heimlich technique if something catches on fire in the cabin we will put that fire out will be your firefighter will be your nurse will be your psychologist if you're freaking out because you're scared to death of flying for whatever reason we'll set you down in our jump seat and hold your hand so we can do a little bit of jump seat therapy and be a psychologist and we are a babysitter and sometimes we have to change people's diapers we are just everything on that plane because when you're 35,000 feet of of the earth there isn't anybody else to help you but us but in relation to 911 with all the events that were taking place those feelings and those protective in innate situations would have transpired even then no matter what was going on with Arab hijackers or whatever is that correct oh yeah well if there was I mean we had protocols to follow and that's why I've said this gazillion times none of the crew members followed the protocol and the most interesting thing is it truly is i sat in the jumpsuit so many times that it it was second nature it was like breathing to me to say jump seat sit in the jump seat Betty was sitting in her jump seat but that's not what she should have done in a real hijacking because the protocol was to sit down and not draw attention to yourself look like a passenger and go to sleep look like you're asleep cover up your uniform take off your name tag in your wings cover up with a coat or a blanket even if you have to borrow one from the overhead bin leave that hijacker with one flight attendant only that's not what we heard all the crew members walking back and forth we heard Betty sitting in her jump seat she should have been in one of the nearly 100 empty passenger seats covered with a blanket she was not only sitting in her jump seat in her uniform talking on a phone that is a great way to get killed but it didn't happen did it not then anyway while she was on the phone for 27 minutes but when you start to look at this and I mean I looked at this for a long time before I realized you're supposed to sit down and not draw attention to yourself that doesn't mean sitting in your jump seat that's the last place you would sit you need to sit in a passenger seat so you don't look like a crew member that was our protocol now she'd been flying like roughly 12 years so she had gotten that training over and over and over every year she knew the code words maybe the reason that their scenario was painted for them that the pilots weren't answering is because the pilots don't know what's going on in the cabin because we're their eyes in here the door is locked it always was locked we had the keys to get into the cockpit and there was only a peek hole for them and they're sitting taking off they're sitting looking forward they're not interested they don't even know what's happening in the cabin unless we tell them and so that's why we had the designated code words and the protocol step by step to let them know there was somebody in that we would refer to as a hijacker there was no such thing as a terrorist in aviation at the time of 9/11 we would have referred to them as a hijacker and followed the hijack protocol set in stone none of that happened like I said a successful ending for if they were heroes they would have told us one if they were in the cockpit nobody said they were people on the ground said they were but later on we found out that those people worked for the Department of Defense there's the story grew legs later on but they never told us how they got in the cockpit if they were in the cockpit at all so they didn't do the right thing they should have they should have not been now you'd know that Betty Ong if you listened to the four and a half minute tape if you listened to that tape you can hear someone there she says he's coming back he is in 1 hijacker he's coming back from business and the flight attendants there and you can hear a couple flight attendants talking back and forth when she's on hole on the phone again every single flight attendant except the one dealing with the one hijacker would have been sitting down hiding out not not drawing attention to themselves looking like a passenger preferably asleep well it's now been 18 years or will be in September of this this next year and it's still that story is still growing legs those legs are so long daddy longlegs don't even come close to what it is I mean the story continues to morph and you wonder how does that happen how you get a story that it can't be changed because people are dead or events have come to finality and yet the story contender used to change yeah well I guess I revert back to operation Mockingbird because the CIA did this and the CIA controls the media so everything that's written or spoken about about 9/11 and why it changes is coming from that same source so I'm on that I'm going to close this one off and try to keep these about a half-hour long so that you guys don't spend all your holiday but you know I still want you to get the information and you know there's at the end of this if you still have questions put them in the chat room [Music] you