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good afternoon and welcome to another micrographics webinar uh today we're going to be looking at a topic basically called save time through copy design basically looking at me using the designs within inventor using some various tools why you would do it and how you would do it uh my name is colfin roy i'm the presenter for today an application engineer with micrographics and my email address is here on the first slide if you do have any questions or want to follow up with anything so on today's agenda we'll be starting off with a intro basically around design reuse then we will go into why you would copy a design then followed up by various copy design tools that are available and then after that we'll look at some tips for design reuse how can you make it easier for yourself to reuse your designs and then we'll close off with a summary and q a session so having a look at our intro um i'm going to cover this basically like a scenario here you're a designer manufacturing firm and you produce machinery that is tailored to suit a customer but your machinery can be reused for various different customers so maybe turn key applications but in this case of let's say a conveyor belt get a standard conveyor belt design that you use but there would be customer specific changes with regards to the sizing of it so if we look at basically the same design specification a different size every time you use it would be a good candidate for for copy design i've just got three examples here for this basically where where we could see this type of uh workflow being used to to save time in redesigning and the first one we're looking at is material handling here basically we've got three different side offers slight changes in each of them and every time that offer is reused for a different customer there may be a different customer specification for that the second one is processing equipment and we'll have a look at this remote controlled concrete finisher and talk about why you would reuse designs or copy design in its case and then lastly also cabinetry so here i've got a desk with various cubbies in it shelves on it and you know once again might be custom for each different customer and you'd want to be able to change it as required so to dig in a little bit deeper into each of these examples if we look at a material handling whether it's a conveyor belt or a hopper you know the overall design philosophy can stay the same you know the same designs look at these three hoppers they're basically constructed and assembled in the same way they have the same spec same material thickness the leg design is the same for all of them however every time you sell it to a customer the customer may have a specific requirement legs might need to be shorter or longer opening at the top and at the bottom may need to be different sizes so you have to still customize it to suit the customer's needs you could have your standard range of hoppers that you use you design up one hopper and then generate your standard range the various sizes maybe a 500 mil 800 millimeter wide meter wide hopper and that's kind of the official standard that customers inevitably are going to want to customer so we'd look at using copy design in the case of sort of this hopper and what we can do to help with creating new new sizes then moving on to that remote controlled remote control concrete skimmer we're looking at sort of process equipment you may be a company that designs equipment and you would sell hundreds of thousands of those units and uh you know you might think well you know we're not customizing for every customer but at some point in development you're going to have to create a and you need to introduce new models and now do you design from scratch that new model depends on how many changes are required or do you copy the existing model's design and then modify it for the new model introduction make the required changes so you keep the bulk of the same part that you change out and improve on other areas maybe where there were failures in the old model clients may need customization so you may get a client that wants a larger volume and they need customization due to safety regulations in the country they operate in and so you may need to create a model that is custom for that client based off of an existing design also for r d you may create a duplicate of the existing model and use that design file for research and development changing out the blades design on the bottom of the finisher changing up motors things like that so you want to be able to keep the production model intact but create duplicates that can be used for research and development client customization and the last example here that i've got for the introduction is cabinetry now cabinetry there is a very specific companies have very specific design specs how they build their cabinetry so if you look at your kitchen most cupboards in that kitchen are built in the same way the sizing is just changing length height with that information changes from cupboard to cupboard you may have a row of standard cupboards but you know to fit that last cupboard into the existing kitchen size or building size you you need to customize its size and so here you could quite easily duplicate designs and update let's say the width of the cabinet to be able to fit in the gap that is there so those are three examples and where you would where the copy design functions that we're going to look at really shine and would be great use in saving time for uh designing in the design process so today's goal we're going to look at the various ways and how we can take these designs and copy information and reuse information that is already existing rather than drawing it all from scratch now why would you do this you know why copy a design big thing here is to save time we want to be able to take a new project look at the existing information in that project and and then look at all the projects and see okay from that older project what can we reuse what can we copy and reuse so that we're not redesigning the wheel we're not starting from scratch every single time and this is important in a competitive environment if you are bidding against other design firms you are wanting to be able to get your bid out quicker than them get it out cheaper than them you know designers cost money so if they're designing something from scratch you're paying for their time to be able to design something and build up a quote or a cost for it so if you can reuse designs you're saving the designer time you're saving time on the quoting cycle so you basically take and modify all designs um as mentioned earlier either for new model introduction or for customer specific changes and as i already mentioned you don't want to be redesigning the wheel every time as well as you know you want to be able to save that time during the process so looking into our copy design tools we have various tools at our disposal for being able to copy designs whether you have vault or whether you just have inventor inventor itself during your day-to-day modeling you have options like save and replace where you're able to take a component in an assembly duplicate it basically save a copy of it and have that immediately get placed back into the assembly so essentially automating the process of going and doing a file save as changing the name and then deleting the old part and putting the new part back in it automates that process a little bit more there is also a copy option in inventor under the assembly patterning tool that allows you to take a sub-assembly or part and create a copy and class and naming to that then we have the inventor our logic design copy which is not used during the modeling process like the previous two would be it's used right up front you open up inventor no files open you can go into the logic design copy window and you can load up a project it will then list all of the drawings inventor assemblies part files presentation files it will list all of the inventor files as well as any related non-inventor files and give you the option to select the files that you want to copy this is a little bit limited when it comes to the naming you can only really add prefix and suffix names to this but it does include one or two other settings which are useful so those three are built directly into inventor being able to duplicate design information then the fourth option that we have here is the volts copy design and that is built into vault whether you have vaults basic or you have one of the paid versions of professional or work group there is a difference between the between them though copy design in vault basic is the older copy design which had been around for years in the paid versions but a couple years ago it was overhauled and now involved work group and fault professional which are your paid licenses you get the overall basically new and improved version of copy design that is the one that i'll be looking at today and doing demonstrations on today um as i have pro installed on my system i do have a screenshot of the older copy design within the presentation so you would see that as well and then there are a myriad of third-party tools um only list two it's the two that i have that i've used but uh you know if you had to do a google search for third-party copy design tools for inventor i'm pretty sure you would find quite a few results there the two that i've got one that was designed in-house by micrographics and the other one which we'll look at also is purchased through selly apps that do the woodwork for inventor it is their assembly copier through that [Music] apologies for that so looking at the copy design tools um i'm going to basically go through the different options in the the slides and kind of explain the steps but then i'll also go and do a demo of those so the inventor save and replace the way this functionality works is that you would have your part open you would then go and select either an assembly so you would have your assembly open and you would either select a part or in a sub-assembly within that and you would then go to the uh the productivity drop down and in that productivity drop down there is the option there to use the save and replace activate save and replace and once you have activated save and replace you would then be prompted to create a pot so you'll get that create part dialog box that comes up essentially here you can see in this example hopper back was the part that i had selected in this example and so the name is automatically going to be hopperback copy you can rename it to anything you wish so you give it the new name and then that part with the new name is inserted into the assembly when you click save the old part is removed from the assembly then the copy function in inventor that would allow you to basically follow a very similar process you would select either the part or sub-assembly and then on the on the ribbon on the pattern panel you'll be able to grab the you'll be able to grab the copy command and that will then bring up a dialog box if you have your part pre-selected or servicing your pre-selected it would then list all of the uh let's say if it's a sub-assembly it would list all of the components inside of that sub-assembly and in this case here we see that the icons to the left of those components are slightly different we have a blue one with two classes in that means that those files will be copied they will be given new names the red plus means that those will be reused so if you have standard content center components you can have those reused you don't have to create copies of those standard content center parts but if you have uh other parts in there like motors gearboxes things that you can reuse that you won't be changing those can be included as well so you would go through your list set the specific actions that you require for each of those components in the list and from there you would choose whether you want to copy the relationships as well so that would keep any constraints applied between the components you're copying and then whether or not the new components need to be grounded clicking next would take you to the file naming screen where you are able to change uh the file names so we can see at the bottom of the screen there there's an option to set the file name you'll see that source file name and then underscore copy so you'll be able to add in essentially a prefix or a suffix into the the file name i also have display name options and location for where to save the new components and that they allows you to create a copy directly inside of the assembly that you're busy working in with some limited naming options then we look at the the last one which is built into inventor is the are logic design copy basically when you launch inventor without any files open you can then go to your tools tab and on the tools tab there is a logic design copy option there and that allows you to or brings up should i say the design copy window that we see here on the right hand side now in that window you would select your project that would then load up the folder structure for the project you can see the folder structure here is now split up into drawings assemblies parts and non-inventor files and the last thing with this is you can go ahead and pick a drawing in this case here i've got the rccf main drawing selected and it will automatically go through and find all of that drawings children and then in the other three windows assemblies pods and non-inventor files those children are automatically selected so the more drawings you select the more children will be selected to copy and so this way here you can get all those related components copied the only drawback to this is um i haven't found a way to be able to multi-select drawing so if you have a lot of drawings you're going to be going down that list clicking on the various drawings to select them once you've got all the files selected that you want to copy you hit next and that will then take you to the uh the settings page where you can okay that would then take you to a settings page um sorry i don't have the screen shotgun we'll have a look at that in the demo um that settings page will allow you to select where you're going to be copying the files to so you can create a new project location so this is a nice quick way of duplicating an old project for it to carry on with a new project and you'd also be able to set prefix and suffix naming in that dialog box then moving on to the evolved copy design so here for this is a tool that's built into volts so for those of you that either are working in vault basic or professional you would have access to these tools so basically within your whole client uh you'd be able to right click on their design and choose the copy design option uh what we're seeing here is the copy design for basic um so this is the the older style copy design window that we've seen and that is not what you would get involved basic and here you would be able to select um right at the top of the window you can see where we're copying the design from and then where you're copying the design to so you would set essentially the file that you or the folder that you want to create the new copy in and then the grid at the bottom pretty much the same icons for the status of the files you've got that blue two pluses in to copy those files and the orange for reusing those files here though you have a bit more flexibility you would be able to use commands like creating copies of files either reusing files but you can also exclude files so you can create a copy and then you can create a copy and then exclude files that you know are not going to be inside of that new design and [Music] also there's a nice opportunity to replace so you may be doing a conveyor belt but the new conveyor belt is going to be longer so you could replace the old motor for a new abrated motor as well so during the copy design process you're able to substitute components in um or completely remove components from a naming perspective copy design has the ability to also find and replace so you can find certain part numbers or codes and replace them in the names of new codes i know some companies in parts when the party is specific for a job they would include the job number in the part number they can do a search find and replace for that job number and replace it with the part number itself so the vault copy design gives you that extra functionality of being able to switch components out through the find and replace on file names and if we go on to the work group or pro copy design there's a new when an updated interface and gives us we also gives us some more functionality as well so for workgroup and pro when you do a copy design that is the window that you would see and that window is laid out with various other sort of sub windows within it and we'll explore this during the demo that i'll do we'll have a look at the various options we have but the overall um or should i say the enhancements here is that you can also run rules you can create a set of rules that have to be run on every single part in the copy so that rule could be something like blank out any custom properties so any values and those are properties are removed it could basically reset properties or set different values as the components are being copied so it's almost like scripting you set up a rule for those components it's easy to see numbering schemes and implement numbering schemes during the copy design process as well as well as the the actions so on the right hand side there you'll see one of the views there that you can use the actions and this will filter out to show you in the subsection where you can pick copy reuse replace it will then show you a list of files that are being copied the list of files that are being reused so you it's a nice way to double check your work you know you have to exclude a few components go to the exclude panel and you can pick up okay yes i've excluded the files i needed to so that is the the copy design involved pro we will have a more in-depth look at this once i've gone through the last little section um so then the the last option when it comes to copy design tools are third-party tools design cloner is one third-party tool that was designed in-house by micrographics and that's a standalone application that you can download you install it sits on your desktop and what you would do is you would run inventor have your design open in invento and then launch design cloner and it will connect with inventor and load in your folder struct or your should i say your assembly and your assembly structure and then here you have basically a lot of the same functions and a few more so you'd be able to um add all your files in you're able to do your find and replace add prefixes suffix you can also search according to materials and it'll expand on to presentation files drawing files and uh any uh ole or external files that are connected to your designs so that is a another one of the third party options and then the second option that i have here that i listed was the assembly copier now assembly copier as i mentioned earlier is is programmed by silly apps and they are the company that provide woodwork for inventor for cabinetry making and furniture making um part of that software is this assembly copier which they've also now selling as a separate piece of software and it's a very similar process you open up your assembly you're able to rename your files much of the similar information is what i've already covered with the previous tools on here so those are just two of the third party applications that are available so just to kind of round off you know why would we use one of these copying tools uh why not just use windows to copy and paste files well you know the copying tools as i've mentioned repeatedly going through them they most of them give you the ability to rename files whether it's a manual renaming process on some of the inventor ones or whether it's a actual fund and replace process or adding a prefix and a suffix you're able to rename those files a lot of them have the prefix and suffix and also find and replace options for quickly renaming those files you can imagine with a design where there are a couple of hundred parts it may take a long time to go through that list and rename those parts to be specific for that project the biggest thing though with the copy design tools that windows will never be able to really do for you is the ability for most of the copy design tools to find related data so when you do your copy design you can copy a drawing and it will find the assemblies and the related parts and copy that information with it so you can quite quickly grab an entire project and copy all that information um one thing with the our logic copy option is that you had to select the drawings and it found all the children one thing i didn't mention about a vault is you can pick a pot or an assembly and it will find the parents so if you copy if you copy a part or an assembly it will find the drawings and copy the drawings automatically and leading us to the last point re-referencing links to new names if you copy something pretty sure most people have come across this when they've renamed the file in windows next time you open up inventor an assembly in inventor your assembly says oh can't find that file and you have to manually re-link that file to this sample these copy design tools will maintain those relationships if you change part a to part b it goes to the drawing and it'll they will re-link that reference from part a to part b so the big time saver is not having to go back in and fix all of those broken references created by renaming the files and this is one of the one important aspects of copying design and being able to save your time if it's done properly the only thing you have to go back in and check is your drawings make sure that all the drawings are still looking good all the properties have updated correctly and then make any changes to the actual geometry itself if you need to so i've been talking for about half an hour i think it is demo time open that inventor and have a look at what this actually looks like in inventor and then we'll move on to going through through this in fault as well let me just go ahead here and hit inventor open to choose a component to replace now because i have a vault project active here and numbering enabled involved volt is asking me for a a numbering scheme to use if you don't have vault you won't get this so i'm just going to skip this one and basically now it's asking me to change that agitator flange name it's automatically put the copy option in there so i'm going to go ahead here and go into the hopper folder and just call this agitator flange modified and then if we just have a look in the browser on the left hand side we can see there's the agitator flange that's the original file and i hit save here that will update and the agitator flange modified will now be in here and this can now be used or opened up and edited to add any geometry to this so i would then end up with those various those two different flanges uh the modified one and the original so let's just add a chamfer here on the outside so we have the modified sham the modified flange there and if i go back into the hopper i can also grab that original one and open up the original with no changes on the original so that's a quick way of just copying an existing design a single part file and just quickly reusing that part file in inside of a a design we're going to go into this rcf main here and open up that assembly and we can also do save and replace i'm just waiting for my pc to respond and here we'll see when we try save and replace it will select single part file so we can't do that save and replace on sub assemblies so save and replace is limited to those part files even if i try to change the priority here there's no subassembly priority option so we're stuck to save and replace being limited to those single parts however in an assembly we could go to the copy command and grab a sub assembly let me go ahead here and just grab the the blade sub assemblies here and that copy command will then list all of the parts in that sub assembly now this is quite a bit i don't want this to be processing for too long so i'm going to just drill down and open up a smaller subassembly let's just have a look at one of these sets of blades and from here we can activate the copied bond sorry i need to go back one assembly i want to replace the blades that sub assembly and so now we see the components are listed automatically for copy but we do have some components that are content center files the standard content so those are being reused now i may want to replace the entire sub assembly but i might not want to modify all the files so i could still go in here and maybe i want to keep that trial spider so change that to the orange plus and then the let's say the lower universal joint as well so there's some here some options here that might want to be kept like the bushings so you would go through the list and mark those files as needed potentially they're files that you want to exclude as well so these four trial weldments would be the actual grey square bar and flat pedal may decide want to actually exclude those completely because i want to put a new file in there not already have an existing design to replace this one and so we can exclude those as well copying relationships on will ensure that the assembly stays constrained together the new components i do not want to ground i'll go next and then in the next window it's going to generate a table to be able to rename components so this might take i think there's still quite a few components here okay once again volt is jumping in here and wanting me to apply the vault numbering schemes that i have enabled to all of these files i'm going to skip this and we'll look at the manual manual where renaming is if you don't have mob or naming schemes enabled involved so at the bottom we've got the ability to set new display names we'll keep that as the file name and then the new file name we've got here by default underscore copy i'm going to just put in here new underscore and take the copy of the end and we'll see the table at the top update at the top here we've got essentially showing us the display name and file name and the location and you can also go into this table and you can do options or you can basically do a find find next replace here in the table as well as manually changing names for files here as well so you have a bit of flexibility here using this copy option as far as renaming goes as well you're not stuck just to adding in prefix and suffixes and so you would work your way through the table do what you need to do here um i'm going to create a new assembly from this i'm going to actually extract that out of this current assembly and just create a new assembly on its own so all the components i'm copying will be created as its own assembly i'm skipping again on the vault and hitting ok and this will not start the process of copying all those files okay so here is that new assembly that was created so we've got the new underscore rccf underscore one and that has all of the components in i just want to go ahead here quickly and switch off all the work features and symbols as well as well and so there is that new sub-assembly you'll see there's the new cf-101sa underscore l that was the server cmd that i've copied so here's the original and there's the copy so we have those blades that are missing those were excluded during the copy process and then we have all the new names new underscore and the bushings that were retained so now i can continue and develop this further as a new let's say attachment or a new upgrade for that concrete finisher if i go back to the original finisher that original assembly is still in there i could do i could have done a save and replay or i could now actually if i wanted to do a replace so right click on that sub assembly per component and then do a replace all and replace both of those with the new copy that i've created so we've got those new files that's going to create a whole set of new files in that folder i'm just going to save this before moving on i'm not going to go through the r logic design copy one process that is going to take some time but i do want to show you i had mentioned that i missed a screenshot of the settings page for that so i'm going to close all this off and go back to that go back to that window so inventors open with no files you're able to go to tools and you will have an our logic design copy tool here this will only be here if you have no files open you can't do this if you have something open so selecting our logic design copy will bring up the copy window in this window you can select a project and i'm going to go here to rccf main that is my project that's not involved for this remote controlled finisher and so here we can go and find a drawing now you can see the long list of drawings here i can pick the rcf rccf main that's the main assembly drawing and it will go and scan and highlight all the related children so it will check all the related children so you can see updating reference files is busy checking for all those files and once that is done we'll see check marks come up in the other three dialog boxes there we go now unfortunately if i right click here in the drawings folder there's no option or no way to select all of them except for doing the folder so you could select the folder and it would have it would then select all the drawings in the folder so if you need to copy the bulk of the work you can do that select the folder and then you need to go through and deselect the ones that you don't want to copy and that probably wasn't a good idea for me right now for presentation perspective because i'm now going to have to wait for that to search through all those files for the related children we can see here inventor working away in the background for that i don't think that was a bright idea okay um once that has finished you would then be able to go next and work on the settings prefix suffix names for those files uh so it looks like it's worked there i'll hit next and it generates a table with all of those files listed in the table you can then add a target folder where you want the new design to be you can add a prefix so i'm just going to go with the copy of you can add suffix you can also choose to rename non-inventor files so here there's an image vmp you can add that new name to that image as well uh also creating a new project this would go through and create a completely standalone project maybe to an existing design but for a new customer and you're making tweaks for that customer so you need a new project and one of the reasons for allergic design copy existing is that you have the option to delete our logic rules or to be able to delete any rules or algebras within the files themselves and also you can choose to update the part number so the part number will reflect as the new file name so those are the options here i'm not going to run through the process of starting it i haven't set a target folder but it's also going to take time to go through that process and in the table here at the top if i right click there's no options here so you're very limited with naming when it comes to the ilogic design copy function here you can only really do the prefix and suffix i cancel out of that one and the last one that i've did i have for you actually running a little bit over time on this is the vault copy design i'm going to do a very quick one here taking that same taking that same concrete finisher and right clicking on it in vault and doing the copy design function now this opens a window that will list all of your files now it does not list drawings because it will automatically copy drawings um it'll automatically copy drawings as long as you have yeah by default they automatically copy parents and it'll automatically copy the drawings of those files now with this you're able to grab a file so here rcf main i'm going to go ahead here and say i want to copy to and then specify a new location in volt so i'm going to copy that into the rc cf polisher folder so this maybe smooths over the concrete but i want to do a i want to create one of these that polishes the computer so new product development i'm grabbing this old design and copying that folder copying the main assembly into that new folder now this main assembly may reuse a lot of information but what i want to do here is read or copy what i'm going to change so quickly having a look here at um what's going to change we'll look at the take this one here the rcf1 and i'm going to once again do a copy 2 and copy that to the publisher folder as well and then inside of that i'm going to look at replacing some components so we need to copy sa i'll grab that here so inside of the cf 101 sal just to kind of show you what i want to do [Music] what i'm wanting to do in this example is essentially create a whole duplicate copy of this design reusing most of the design but replacing the pedals at the bottom the blades at the bottom with an updated design on the blade that would be more efficient at polishing so starting at the top level the top level assembly needs to be copied because it's a new product then the various sub assemblies going down also need to be copied as they build materials will be different so just going back to vault here we've got that sub assembly there that needs to be copied so once again i'm just going to copy that to the publisher folder and the trial weldment itself that is what i want to replace so i'll go here and i'm going to choose to replace that with something else and uh so here we'll go find that file in vault sorry publisher and that are not the first files involved okay it looks like i didn't put those files involved that was not okay so not a chain smash i created those duplicate files but i didn't put them into volts so quickly going to drop those into vaults ah sorry i'm looking in the wrong folder so trial development sorry i was replacing that from the wrong folder so i want to go rccf replace okay so there's replacing and we have the actions column here which is showing us what we're doing with each of these files so you can see there that weldment is being replaced and i need to do the same for the opposite side as well so that's the left hand side you need to find the right hand side here quickly as well um okay tell me what i'm going to a copy of there we go there it is see that replace quickly and this will be the last thing before i run the copy so do the replace now last thing that you can do just to double check everything is on the right hand side you can check the new names prefix options right clicking in this table allows you to set your prefix and suffix values you can also do find and replace on your base names so your all your same naming options here and then the actions tab is the tab that i'd like because i can now go and see copy okay i'm creating those three copies and then reuse what's being reused the list of all the files that i'm reusing the replace option oh okay i think i'm going to have to stop it here this is the one thing about doing live live demos i didn't like something i did there okay so my vault is crazy i'm going to have to looking at the time i'm going to have to stop that one there but essentially once i hit copy it will then run through the process of doing all of those replacements doing all of the renaming copying and that is actually handled by the vault server so your computer resources aren't used what server does it and the new files will then be added directly into vault we'll do a get from both and continue working with them so i think quickly um just to finish off before we do any questions uh just some tips for design reuse use parameters as much as you can if you can link them to an excel spreadsheet makes it easier to update the file so once everything's copied you go to that spreadsheet you update values in the spreadsheet and your design can update so the idea is designed with flexibility in mind being able to make changes to the design and have the design update quickly is key to this process working properly you want to be able to quickly just change a few parameters and have that design update making use of skeletal modeling or multi-body solids goes far will go fine helping in this process this hopper that i have here is created using skeletal modeling so i have a single excel spreadsheet linked to a single part file that is the seed that creates all the other components and so everything's linked back to that one spreadsheet can change all the various values in the hopper to update the geometry just from that spreadsheet and something i haven't touched on but i know we have had other webinars on it is automating changes with our logic if this hopper goes over a certain size our logic could update the thickness to be a thicker material to keep the hopper rigid things like that conveyor belts update the length of the conveyor belt our logic and patterns can help update how many legs you should have in the conveyor belt so various information like that would help with automating the process of copy design once you've actually created the copy and just to close off before we have any questions if you are thinking of any questions or have any questions before i cover the summary the chat panel is open for you to ask those questions in and then i can answer them so if you do have any questions you can start typing them as i give the summary here so you know the summary copy design allows you to stop reinventing the wheel you can take existing designs duplicate them and continue forward with them saving time in that process you can provide a product to a customer a custom product to each of your customers quicker because you're reusing data that's easy to change you can basically duplicate designs with small changes or making small changes to them quicker making the small design changes quicker and overall it would decrease your design time it can decrease your time to quote decrease the design time by reusing that old existing data and then the biggest point i think here from a designing perspective from a management perspective is keeping those file references healthy making sure that once those files are renamed you do not get any broken links to drawings to external files assemblies with missing references or parts that can't be found so yeah that's that would be a quick summary on the on you know why you would want to copy design also went through the processes of how to copy design of the various different places so um you know thank you for your for your time i see i did run i'm starting to run a little bit lately between those last sections but uh thank you for your time and uh sitting through and having a listen if you have any questions the chat is open for those questions and i'll answer them i will go ahead and answer those questions and they come through okay there's no questions so thank you for attending and uh we have our micrographics offices so if you have an office in your region or should i say if you have any questions you can contact your nearest office and they'll be able to assist alternatively right at the beginning of the presentation my email was on the first slide you can also email me directly regarding the webinar once again i'd like you to thank you for your attendance and attention for this webinar and uh