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rolling the clock forward you and elon tweeted recently about population collapse what do you think is going to happen there oh well i've thought for at least 10 years that the biggest problem in 50 years will be that there's just not enough people i remember hearing you say a few years ago that you thought we'd peak at about nine billion yeah we probably won't hit nine yeah and i think about stats because think about how crazy it is to think that we might be living on earth right now at a time with the most number of humans that are ever going to exist at one time ever yeah that's highly probable and you know in the past the population collapse in developed countries is precipitous right it's like it fall we fall off a cliff because it's the same everyone knows this from the pandemic the r naught number if fewer people are reproducing next generation you have fewer people to reproduce as fewer people are reproducing and it yeah yeah yeah well i i worked on un committee it's got to be ten years ago now um to help draft the un secretary's general's report on sustainable economic development and so i looked at all sorts of things like that i was very curious for example about because people have been beating the overpopulation drum since well it really kicked in in the 1960s you know because there were dire predictions by the year 2000 the club of rome came out and said well there'll be riots and mass starvation and mass movement of of migrants and all the things you hear about climate change because there's too many people on the planet and that just didn't happen at all that was just that it wasn't just wrong it was anti-true it was absolutely wrong what happened instead was that everyone got way richer and the bottom section of the population in terms of economic distribution got lifted out of poverty inequality still exists but that's that power law phenomena we already talked about not that that's trivial it's just unbelievably difficult to determine what to do with there are solutions but certainly getting rid of capitalism isn't the solution and so i looked at population trends and first of all found not that this is an act of genius or anything that as soon as you educate women and the the size of family shrinks precipitously like below replacement and that's partly because women have other options that that's a huge thing this play out oh yes i mean all the all the countries in the west are way below replacement korea is way below replacement south korea japan way below replacement yeah yeah i think the number one not good number one on the planet it might be chad chad the country in terms of growth uh eight children on average yeah i think nigeria will have more people in it than...