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good evening ladies and gents and welcome to another live unleash news podcast and i'm delighted to be joined by one of my usual co-hosts on the news podcast trudy carmody trudy how are you john how are you great i'm brilliant and brilliant and i'm doubly delighted to see that evan evan tracy has come over from the sports department hi everybody hi evan great to have you and we're delighted to be joined again by dr kieran riley kieran how are you good john thanks thanks very much for having me on yeah it was just i was thinking today you were wrong it was like back in the summer you were on yeah back in back in may i think i was on talking about the book uh capard house and roosevelt and could you have imagined then that ten well in that case eight months later actually longer ten months later we'd still be in the situation we were in back in may or even worse yeah and it just it's i don't think anyone could have envisaged that at the time but um i suppose it was a little bit easier back in the in the spring roll and into the summer but it's it's it's a lot more difficult now when people because it's it's winter time and i suppose the numbers are up as well so but please god we're going in the right direction yeah we are we are it's it's slowly but surely we'll get out of this uh hopefully for good and kiron we have you on this evening because we want to talk about and we have to talk about possibly well i'll put it out there kieran you can knock me down if i'm wrong possibly the most famous irish american from leash ever yeah well he's definitely that john um he's you know he's probably one of the most important uh irish immigrants of the 19th or 20th century or indeed of any period um he's not forgotten uh i suppose that's the first thing i wanted to start by saying that sometimes we talk about uh people that you know and historians are are guilty of that at times that would say that people are forgotten because they've stumbled upon something uh interesting themselves um but he's just not he's not remembered i suppose and he's not well known even in his own locality exactly and of course to let the viewers know kieron we're talking about william grace that's right william russell grace born in valley line in 1832 um and went on to be as you say the most famous or one of the most famous most important irish americans um in the in the latter half of the 19th century yeah i mean what i mean when we say important we're we are not exaggerating because go on tell me why he's so important yeah like this there's just so many facets of his life you know and i was even just thinking about this earlier today that there's possibly things that i'll forget to say in the next few minutes about him um he was himself a famine immigrant he left home at 14 years of age in 1846 for america tried his hand at a couple of different things in in new york and returned to ireland two years later in 1848 taken the family by surprise the family at that stage had moved to dublin they'd fallen on uh i suppose harder times themselves now they weren't uh you know at the bottom level of of of poverty uh by any means but they had hit upon hardened times and had moved the dublin where james grace william grace's father had got a job uh with the inland revenue and young william grace when he returned to ireland in the midst of the famine uh he couldn't settle and you know his next project he was always taking ahead and looking ahead to his next project and that actually um commenced in in 1850 when he began shipping other irish famine immigrants to canada and america and then later to peru along with his father um you know i i thought well i wonder should i just go through and tell you about him first and and then yeah but just sorry to cut across here and i'm hoping now trudy and evan will jump on this as well i mean reading his his life story i mean we have it in our minds that entrepreneurs are a recent phenomenon but he was an entrepreneur wasn't he he was absolutely um and i suppose in looking at that the shipping of immigrants from ireland he saw a huge huge market he was one of 21 shipping agents located on the docks in liverpool uh who had offices in dublin as well who saw the opportunity to uh to profit and to make money from that now what sets william grace apart from others at the time was the conditions um in which the people sailed um you know we have this image of the coffin ship and people you know huddled together in in masses on board the ships heading to america and canada australia and so on uh poorly provisioned um you know illness and sickness at sea many dying at sea in fact um particularly the ones that headed for canada in 1847 but what sets grace apart is that the provisions that he he provides for the people um you know and if you want i can go into detail about that just looking at it today uh 25 pounds in weight of biscuits 10 pounds of flour 10 pounds of beef or pork uh sugar tea um access to ranges and ovens on the ship to cook the materials um so william grace had a great track record for getting people to the destination alive safe and well um and and then they made their way uh in their new host country so that's it the other thing that william russell grace is a is a pep project of mine and i've been researching him a long time as well but i like all of what you're saying and i won't argue a single thing but i'd like to highlight the point he was only 20. yeah no he was only he was only 14 when he when he ran without permission came back two years later and went with daddy and did all the boats and the peru thing and all the rest of it but even at that stage in 1950 when he started that um he was only 18. yeah like he wasn't a young he wasn't an old man and for him to to think that kindly and for to allow you know to have people arriving safe well and fed not either dead half dead or starving for a young man to think of all of that i think credit for that as well yeah yeah absolutely um you know what he was an entrepreneur um he he done you know just by getting the people the people wanted to leave um and he was providing a way away for that and he also he also wrote to many of the workhouses in the south and the southeast of the country as well um you know to relieve the pressure on the workhouses that these people could be shipped um and he didn't just abandon them uh on the other side there's evidence that um several of the the waterford passengers passengers from watford workhouse um in 1850 1851 got sick in quebec and william grace actually paid for their hospital um provision at the time um out of his own pocket and he was never reimbursed for it um you know others just dumped them on the other side of the of the atlantic and away with them they ask what inspired you to look into him well i suppose i'm just interested in in this aspect of of somebody that left um ireland during the famine and in fact the the i've only recently been pouring into more detail on on this shipping of a famine immigrant study done in 1850 51 and 52 um but just fascinated by the story um of somebody so young is truly says heading for america coming back the coming back bit itself is is remarkable because nobody ever came back no they did they just simply don't come back and he didn't just come back he took daddy when the family had fallen we won't say hard times were hard times and he took daddy with him and set up this amazing business um nicknamed he was nicknamed the pirates of peru at that age and it wasn't a derogatory name either um for to do that during a famine at a young age it's it's just it's phenomenal yeah yeah and it's um you say he goes to he goes to peru um with his father and and what they did actually was they decided that they would advertise uh for immigrants to go with them so they actually rounded up if for one of a better term 174 people from leash in carroll um many others from from bali linen um and headed for peru uh he's did he stayed in peru uh sets up this business with the bryce brothers um in 1854 his father doesn't stick it uh in peru and decides to return to ireland with his wife and daughter um but many of the immigrants do they do stay there and you know i think this is just a fascinating um you know we hear all the time about america and canada and australia um i'm also very keenly interested in the irish immigrants that go to south africa this time so peru is another destination that we just don't hear enough about him it's just another um i think fascinating side of the of the famine story to tell absolutely so are you saying that there's a little there's a little corner of peru that will forever be leash yeah yeah absolutely we're taking over john that's brilliant didn't know anything about that so but that's only the beginning uh you know i know incredible man then he turned 21 john you know he conquered one world and he turned around and he conquered another world and then had his 21st yeah yeah yeah and it i mean his story then gets by any stretch of the imagination even more extraordinary yeah yeah he then uh he then sets or he goes into business first of all with with bryce the bryce brothers english brothers in peru in um a place called kuyo um and they begin the bryce brothers are only really interested in in providing provisions for ships which are coming into the port of kuya um but william grace sees an opportunity actually to start shipping from peru to america and in particular to start shipping guano which is birdong which was in an abundant supply in in peru um you know it was more important to the people there than than gold or or silver or anything else any other commodity and it's it's used as a fertilizer and in fact it's it's it's been used in ireland it's been shipped from peru to ireland in the 1830s and 1840s in small quantities but um america is looking for in in large numbers and that's how he sets up and eventually buys out the bryce brothers in 1865 by which time he moves to new york and at that stage he's become a millionaire and it allows them then to focus on other things uh including uh politics ask 33. still a young man yeah yeah yeah that's that's the point yeah yeah to have completely accomplished so much and a company that's still going today absolutely they're still they're still in existence today a massive company um 17 or 18 million that company made in 2019 yeah yeah and um madness of offices throughout the world throughout the world and i think about 40 different countries at this stage wow i think in terms of history people like this are overshadowed because it's normally always about death and how many lives were lost and money lost and it's never about the people who helped others that's a fair point like i've never heard of before now i think in in in terms of the great famine when you know we're talking and reading and and watching about you know what happened at that time yeah you're you're you're correct um we're you know we're very much focused on the dead and the and and the immigrants you know i suppose he is an immigrant himself and moves other immigrants then um but we don't talk about survivors um you know and what has triggered all this for me and um in the most recent past is the focus that's been placed on joe biden um and his irish ancestry and maybe we'll come back to that at the end but um you know i met joe biden in 2016 when he visited ireland visit mayo and that's what that's the point i was getting across them is um his family his his ancestors were survivors yes and they're survivors for different reasons and they had different experiences in loud and mayo and galway during the famine um and you are correct devin um grace is a survivor um and he helps others survive as well yeah and you know we're only a small little county in the middle and um he's made a huge impact and there's a lot of people that survived the famine and and not just survived it but did good yeah and i don't just mean him i mean the people he brought over there they they had their own lives as well and he would have impacted them like you're going to say i'll leave you going to say other things he did as a politician and a philanthropist as well because as you said at the phenomenal age of 33 um in what 1865 he had money to spend and he spent it yeah amazingly like it's yeah and he doesn't forget ireland like he he you know he's remembered as a philanthropist and a great you know he done great things in america and in peru but like he doesn't forget ireland um i should say he returns to he returns to leash in in 1862 or queens county as it was then um because he's told actually in 1862 when he was 30 years of age that he had brights disease um and that he had very little time to live so he decided to head for ireland from peru um in the end he lives 41 more years and packed so much into it um and he received i believe a kind of a hero's welcome when he came back to melanie because unleashed in general because you know at that stage he made his fortune he'd done good he brought these people out and he was remembered and letters probably came home from the people in peru and and in america when he from 65 on when he had people there he would have influenced so the stories would have filtered back i have a question his dad came back he didn't stay in state a few years in peru what happened to the rest of the family as far as i urge there's some of the families still over in valley line and but i'm unsure i haven't looked at that side of it what happened then they moved to dublin you said initially they moved to dublin yeah and i think the the the remainder they went back to dublin when they came back to ireland and william grace himself his daughter died and they lost another child during that short period that he was back in life i believe they're buried locally um i've still to see that hopefully when the the loch town ends i'll take a trip over there and have a look um but yeah he um he he returns to america then and it's it's a little while after his political career as i say kicks off but he doesn't forget her and that's the point i was going to make in 1879 and 1880 there's another famine um after three years of disastrous wet summers um and a failure of the harvest and particularly the west of ireland um you know hundreds of thousands of people are starving and um there's a ship which sails from america the constellation and huge resources have been gathered in in new york and in different parts of america for for this one quarter of all that was on the ship tree i think was three thousand three hundred barrels of food stuff and clothes one quarter um was given by grace um and he also donated other sums of money at that time as well for for famine relief in ireland it's incredible wow incredible yeah you know he made a huge difference here and abroad yeah and and that's again it's like that famine of 1879 1880 it's it kind of gets lost in the in the narrative of the of the land war which ensues then in the early 1880s which pitches tenants versus landlords but um definitely true it's not something we're ever even taught in school if you ask my kids the only family they really know about is is 1845 like 80 and 80 and there was previous famines to that as well smaller leading up to it as well they're just not discussed you know yeah now maybe that's a good thing as evans has maybe with enough death to be going on with from the big ones you know um yeah but yeah the 80 and 81 finished off a lot of people did and it caused massive immigration again you know the just it's a never-ending stream of immigration for the last 20 30 years of the of the 19th century yeah yeah like when you put it when you put it in um when you think about it we've never got back to pre-famine populations population levels could we cope with those numbers if we did john imagine what the broadband would be like then well we had we had over over eight million i think almost eight and a half million um on the island were nowhere close to that we're getting there but yeah i think we're gonna get any country in europe i think that isn't at its uh yeah 1840 levels of population yeah yeah they're they're we're scattered to the four winds yeah they're scattered and karen arguably you could argue the case that his political career was even more successful than his business career yeah like he he becomes mayor of new york in 1880 and he's the first catholic he's the first irish mayor and he's the first irish catholic and that that was a huge a huge moment uh in american politics um you know the first the first catholic admitted to the um the senate in new york uh in america had had occurred 60 years previous to that he was actually an awfully man um so they got they got there first but um it took 60 years kind of to make that next gap or the next jump and um he was opposed his um running for office in 1880 he was opposed on the grounds that that he was a catholic but he got there and um in the two years that he served in his first term um he was very successful um he broke up you know a lot of i suppose the bad battery side of politics that that was prevalent at the time um he broke up the what was known as the louisiana lottery and and a lot of vice in in politics as well um and he was deemed to have been very successful in his first term um as mayor between 1880 and 1882 and then he came back and he said he then he lost it then because because he didn't get re-elected so any ideas what happened he yeah he well he i think he he one of the things that he tried to do was he tried to restrict restructure the democratic party his own his own party he wasn't happy with the with the um i suppose the structure and and the way they went about things so he actually made a lot of um enemies within his own party and within the republican party um lost out then um at the next election but that would make sense later in 1884 um as an independent so he had cut his ties with the with the democratic party and served then for two years um until 1886 and it's during that time that he actually on behalf of the people of new york uh received the statue of liberty um in in 1885 when it arrived of course it wasn't unveiled until the following year um by president grover cleveland but grace was present at the unveiling it was one of the prominent dignitaries there so you you know even that iconic symbol of of freedom and liver liberty in america that we're all familiar with you know and you know even small children will pick that out and we'll know what it is you have a leash connection to that as well it's phenomenal yeah you think he's not honored enough unleashed anywhere evan for that matter yeah well i suppose i know i know there are people that are are trying very hard to to have them remembered um and i know i think it must be five or six years ago a delegation went from leash county council to uh to new york and met with with people there about it um but he definitely i i think you know should be remembered in in some way um and i've been writing recently about different different immigrants of the same kind of stature and just recently about john gately downey who was the mayor of california in in or the governor of california um just about a decade before grace was mayor of new york and you know he's remembered in uh county roscommon in the village that he came from there was a a bust or a statue erected there about three or four years ago of them um you know and you can you venture into other parts of the country as well and you'll see like in in waterville there's a statue of charlie chaplin who holidayed in in waterville you know yes so does william grace deserve a statue in valley line and or some some some sort of formal recognition i think he does and perhaps and wider in the county as well he saved an awful lot of people people's lives he helped them to emigrate to peru and to where chile not just peru um to the states he set up that school for immigrant women in new york he unveiled or not unveiled he took receipt of the statue of liberty from the french he changed a phenomenal amount of crookedness that was going on in new york and reformed the area and a lot of what the reformations he did are still being applied in america or in new york today he didn't just do one thing you know it was the first ever a one-stop shop one-stop ship to to peru steamship from from ireland to peru that's in itself a phenomenon then there's the business then there's the famine help then he came back and helped with that famine then he changed politics then he received the statue of liberty like and else what else do you have to do yeah i mean i mean for for a normal person just to succeed then in american politics as a roman catholic was unbelievable was a mind-blowing achievement because the anti-catholic prejudice and bias was blatant and it was vicious and it was all pervading wouldn't you agree kieran absolutely yeah no it was it was a huge huge huge achievement um and of course like he wasn't mayor of being mayor of new york you know as one of the most important areas in the country at that time or at any time jesus even now yeah so it's not it's not like it wasn't it wasn't a you know a job way out west somewhere where he was easily forgotten about but um no he wasn't managing a little village somewhere that nobody knows about so you mentioned the grace institute that he sets up he sets up a great institution with his brother um michael grace and um you know i think that gave free tuition um to women in in in new york um and it's still in existence today you know in itself is a huge achievement as well um a lot of what he started is still in existence today which is testament to the man his work ethic his values his persistence everything about him like and it's not just to succeed but to continuously succeed absolutely 100 years 110 years 115 years after he died it's still going and making more and more and more money yeah you know that's he had another brother morgan grace um who went to new zealand you know who sat in the new zealand um parliament uh wow there's another another another link to explore there i don't know too much about him but um i don't know anything about him either to play he played an appointment he went as a british army soldier to new zealand um but wasn't terribly um impressed by the british thereafter with the treatment of some of the native maori people so he's um you know an important figure there too um in the late 19th century would oh no that's i was thinking of peter finton lawler he's australia i don't know why because that would have been a similar kind of a time frame um so he they wouldn't have met i i would argue ladies and gents we need a couple of william graces now off you go john this podcast is a start don't think absolutely absolutely absolutely we we definitely need a uh during these troubled times our men and women of his of his uh ilk of his uh of his camera what are you going to do sorry are you going to do a book on on william kieran well i know i i i suppose that there's been a book written uh published some years ago about a merchant adventure it doesn't have much about his irish background um for me personally i think um the story of of the famine his involvement in the famine and uh shipping immigrants to to america and canada is something that i want to explore further um i wonder a question and i haven't investigated this maybe you've come across an epic as the family museum in dublin i've been more than once um i can't say i remember seeing anything about him there and i could i say that waiting to be corrected right um to have him in there will be a huge start massive um it would be now i've been through the epi and i was thinking about that myself today what was he there i went through epic museum tremendously i can't say whether he was or not i know the change the change you know the information around so often um you know the lawler fitzpatricks are there from a leash point of view and you know when you're somewhere like that you're always conscious of looking for people where you're from and i had the children there and i was on the other occasion i was there as a tour guide but um i the fitzpatricks a lot of fitzpatricks were the only ones i remember coming across but i think that would be a great start it would be it'd be huge but i think i think first of all uh you know he needs to be commemorated in his in in his own locality um and maybe perhaps further afield then like the the peru side of things is huge uh given the fact that he you know he was a consultant effectively to the proving government in the 1870s and when war broke out with peru and chile in 1879 um or in the late 1870s he financially backed them and supplied ships and and munitions to the war effort um and when peru lost that war it was grace that financially helped them recover and effectively bail them out now he was very well rewarded for that um you know he he received goal our minds and uh railway shares and and you know substantial tracks of land um for i get the feeling that wouldn't have been why he helped it would it wouldn't have been i get the feeling it wouldn't have been why he helped that he just helped no um you know again he he owed so much i i suppose to peru uh the shipping the shipping was was the big was they needed they needed to control that um so you know there's a huge link to peru there and you know i'm just thinking as well like there's a peruvian embassy in in in ireland here should be interested in that story as well do you know is he remembered commemorated in peru or new york in any big way i can tell you about about peru i'm not sure whether he is or not um in new york no i don't i don't well obviously they the companies didn't exist the grace institute still exists um and both are i suppose keen on on the history of of of their founder um and his his headstone in i think it's in holy cross cemetery um is modest enough um you know just wr grace and his 1832 to 1904 and doesn't tell us in any great detail of course you couldn't put all of what he did on the headstone anyways um no it's just so i've only given you council to get him commemorated uh well i'm hoping this you know coming on and talking to yourselves tonight we'll we'll we'll start that conversation um that's the people uh listeners watching people that are watching and and listening you know we'll be we'll be curious about about the story we'll want to know more um and we'll want to actually get that done um you know i'm sure there are community groups there and in in that part of the leash that you know might drive this on might give the county council a nudge in the right direction um of course you know there's great work being done there at heritage in the county so maybe this is something that that would be of interest we could call on catherine to catherine is phenomenal she's one of the best heritage officers in the country um in fairness and that's not just giving praise for the sake of praise she is one of the best heritage officers in the camp in the country just to let the viewers know that's katherine casey we're talking about yes catherine casey is the heritage officer for leash very well respected all around the country and she is phenomenal in any suggestion that is given and she's always full of help but you know what you're right karen if if all we can get done and i don't mean that trivially um at the very least if we instigate a conversation that at the moment as a homeschooling person um people will then do a project on william russell grace with their children and learn about him because it's important to learn about these people because if he's seen as the standard that i want to achieve well then i'm going to achieve it you know if he becomes the norm then let's all go shoe for the start because he did yes i mean 14 getting on a boat on your own to america oh wow incredible if one of my kids did that i think i killed them if they ever came back they'd be dead yeah great man what a great man what a great friend it would be a huge opportunity kieran yeah i think it's a it's a story this that needs to be told and um yes what better way to teach history than than at the local level absolutely absolutely well tonight tonight's a great start as a as a tour guide i don't tell history i don't do academia in particular i do heritage in schools i don't do academic stuff i don't dole out facts but by my nature i'm the only woman in the room tonight i'm nosy and the the most important story and the one that i think people relate to mostly is the story about the people it just happens to involve bits of history here and there and what he did as a person is phenomenal as a person and then you know if you were getting your child to research this as a school's project at home they're learning about him but by the way you just learned when the statue of liberty arrived in america and from home you learned that they have a mayor of new york why wasn't dear lord mayor find that out you know then the shipping industry oh my god only boat started in 1865 or whatever it was going to peru you know um there's there's extra information within the story that revolves around a person yes and it's relatable when it's local you do not have to pick a huge historic event to make it interesting or relevant or educational yeah so we're calling on all homeschoolers now great project they're cracking on this project and when you do finish the project don't be shy about it send it into the leash people we'll we'll put it up which would be amazing with your teacher's approval obviously that would be amazing yeah well yeah it makes sense and of course yeah the more we can do on our end we will do to get get him um commemorated absolutely and remembered now everyone we have to fast forward to the modern day and we're we're talking 2021 in leash we're still talking about the digital divide ladies and gents because our wonderful co-hosts hannah khal cannot be with us tonight because the broadband where she is in radoni just isn't good enough hello government of ireland hello lies county council 2021 we have a lot of people not just hannah around our county and they are second class citizens in our digital economy not good enough no discuss absolutely discuss hannah is a budding and amazing for anyone who listens in regularly she is a budding an amazing journalist she will do phenomenal things and does not need something as ridiculous as something that everyone else expects to just have not at her fingertips yes yeah it's disgraceful it's just unnecessary it is and of course the irony is 20 20 i'm looking at the stats here 2020 was a real digital year in ireland yeah for example i just a couple of silly little facts here for you so in 2020 65 000 dot ie websites were registered wow that's 30 up on 2019 and in may 2020 seven 7003 dot ie websites were registered and then we have of course we got the figures then from um local enterprise office here in leash about all the local businesses who have been helped get their website either up or get them upgraded with the trading online voucher we have all the figures there open the screen as we speak for that wonderful scheme and i have to say the leash people we took advantage of that scheme it's a wonderful wonderful scheme i have to thank linda and all our colleagues in the local enterprise office for getting those facts together i'll absolutely do the same john and add to that experiencing ireland took advantage of the trading online voucher as well and the team of people in the local enterprise that organized that trading online voucher and the other vouchers that were going as well and the training and mentoring sessions they pull out the stocks but but not one of those websites could have been hannah's well they're they're actually there there is a very valid point because yeah because she can't help because she can't get online now she she was wonderful there last week she was on she was on our talk show last week and of course um technically because she had to use the data from her phone as well as her so-called internet we won't even call it internet because it's it's a joke um she's she's been held back i upgraded my i upgraded my internet as you know john recently in the last three months and up until that moment i now pay 50 euros a month um just for broadband um and it's not as fast as what someone would have in the town but the speed i had up until three months ago was actually slower than dial-up so dial-up was 2.6 or seven megabytes of an upload speed or whatever i had on a good day 1.7 1.8 i have two college students one secondary school student and um i'm homeschooling another guy and i'm in college and i'm working on genealogy projects and and researching yeah on a speed that's slower than dial up yeah it's now like if i compare to someone in the town that can avail of a package and if i was to put my television i had sky on that i'm looking at another 50 euro if i'm looking at a landline i'm probably looking at another 50 euro so i'm looking at 150 euro at least of a bill for something that someone in dublin can get for 10 times the speed and a third of the price yeah that's unfair my children in secondary school are lacking in resources yeah well it's a very valid point because i'm here in kilminski in port leash i'm paying 50 a month but i'm getting the fastest broadband a landline okay for the company and the television for 50 euro month and i'm on fairview i have no landline because i couldn't afford both and i have 50 euro a month broadband and my speed can sometimes go between about 10 and 30. kieron like is this affecting you no people you know it's well to be honest i don't because i you know we're lucky enough in kildare here we have very good broadband and you know it's it's not an issue i'm i'm amazed actually to hear you know unleash wouldn't be somewhere that i would have classed as being you know lacking in this department uh yeah you know it's only within an hour and an hour and 15 minutes of dublin you're you're you're there um yeah just some amazing well the nation the national broadband plan is being um uh rolled out as we speak they're they're in they're in struggling yeah which is huge and they're i put my address into that and apparently i'm on the list but it could be two years but a few years ago i got a phone call from my mother and there was somebody on mount everest at base camp mount everest and she rang and the only thing she said and then hung up laughing was ha ha they have internet yeah so halfway up mount everest they had internet and i didn't yes yes go figure evan does this affect you on this discussion so far that we've had this evening um at least three times has my wi-fi nearly went and i've had to use data wow yeah and hannah's in the same boat as you several times i've been sitting here and it's freezing and it's not working properly and where i live there's only one company that will actually do the internet me too yeah well see i i look at you and i look at hannah and we were talking about the future claire burns and brian dobson's absolutely and you're being held back yeah like our child our children are being held back i do online school during the day and there's several times i have to message my teacher i can't attend the class or that because it just simply won't work because of the wi-fi that's not fair no that's not i've not been flipping but it needs someone to take it by the yeah by the horns and carly's yeah nice oh to upload photos um onto my phone through the laptop it could take anywhere from 20 30 minutes just for about five ten photos yeah and my kids go into the shopping centers to do that it's not right you know ev everyone else from a uh college a research um progression of evan and hannah's generation to to businesses how the hell can leash attract businesses to here say oh come on here it's a great place to work there's loads of space there's loads of things to do it's ideal for your business we're on the road to dublin cork limerick galway center of the country perfect just no broadband that's you know no no that said i go to paddy boogie in the wed mill there's the one in portlease jam with you guys and there's mount rath and that is phenomenal yeah and there are more hubs being rolled out we have to say that but what what do what do our children and how what do our homeschoolers do in the meantime in rural areas where there's you know there's no broadband what did they do what did they do and how how did they operate the whole the whole premises homeschooling is that everyone has broadband and i i can tell kieran you're you're you're you're amazed you're shocked by this that's just you know even what evan says there about uploading photographs you know they just don't have those issues it's it's just amazing you know i would have if you said to me that you were doubt those problems are in the the mountains in donegal or in kerry or mayor somewhere and say yeah fair enough you know that they can't get access to it but that's yeah this is 75 miles from o'connell street from dublin yeah yeah that's it in evan's case even less yeah like why should students yeah an unfair disadvantage just because they live out in the countryside absolutely education-wise yes and you know what they're trying to encourage people to stay in the country and the completely gobsmacked as to why for a long time now for a few generations that always the next generation leave why could you would you stay michael great michael grace william williams brother was asked one time would he return to ireland and he said no way that ireland was full of hardship and it rained half the year so maybe he had something he he was on onto the right thing yeah but but but the flip side of that kieran i i know where he was coming from the flip side of that is the talent we've exported around the world i mean the genius of our people like per capita i mean you could i mean give yourselves an hour you can um right recite the names of probably at least 100 famous irish people yeah like can you name a hundred famous belgians even ten even five i sat down a couple of years ago um and i wrote down um a list of people from leash specifically that have done something famous infamous um of note people of note who have made a difference either here locally unleashed nationally or internationally two a four pages just a list of names yes just one just this one county one county that's that's huge yes yes your muscle grace is up the top you know he's one of the up the tops but there's a huge amount of people from this county that made a difference and i think it's in the blood and we can't be holding the likes of evan or hannah back no no it's not good enough it's not good arms of internet like they're all about rural development et cetera but how can they do the development if they can't even get broadband and nobody's going to want to live out in rural areas and yeah the definition of people living in rural areas they are the keepers of the land and we need them to stay there as the keepers of the land environmentally as well as you know there's lots of reasons why they want us to stay rural you see how many post offices local shops and things are closing down but the reason their flaws now is because there's not enough people who avail of them and the reason there's not enough people to avail of them because they can't even get a simple broadband out where they live like evan i hope you i hope you you're considering a political career please run the country you see it's just it we can see it and again it's just you know it's it's common sense it's common sense now speaking of things common sensical or not in we're following up on a little item we did last week the uh port leash losing the x-12 bus service we had three local politicians get back to us fantastic their quotes are scrolling on the screen now so senator pippa hackett she's a super junior junior minister she got back to us today sean fleming td got back to us yesterday brian stanley got back to us yesterday so the three that's fabulous but the other local politicians haven't replied to date okay well look it's only been a week we'll give them time they could be looking into it i know i'm not saying give up no you yeah i think you said that tonga cheek because of course the root stops this week the end of this week it's gone i see this is what see this is my worry is that people are going oh this is only a temporary measure no this is the dublin bus service sorry the bus air and service from dublin airport through dublin city down to limerick serving um pork leash gone will be history in fact what really brought it home to me during the week is i was strolling around town doing a little bit of shopping and met this wonderful bossair uh employee at the blue bridge in portland and what was he doing taking down the bus timetable oh my god that really brought it home to me that's sad john and i mean we we have to we have to publicize the fact that you know you know it's we're losing it we have to kick up fuss because um history has taught me you know that once once the thing goes it very rarely comes back well you know what it is now that the students can't travel to minute was really our discussion last week and dublin to go to college they can all have this wonderful broadband so they can work from home and leash his marriage yeah can't catch 22. i couldn't resist it it's just that both things go hand in hand like and the bus was full it's not like the bus wasn't being used the bus was full it was viable well you're going you're going from you're going from the biggest airport in the country through the biggest city in the country to the third biggest city in the country beside the second largest airport in the country and you're losing a lot of money like questions really need to be put to the bus aaron management how are you losing money on that route if you're losing money in that bus route there's no chance for any other bus company running any other route in the country basically you've all the if like two-thirds of the ireland's population is along that route along that corridor still semi-state yeah it's it's it's badly wrong i i don't care if it's public private just what do you think right isn't it still semi-state yeah yeah yeah yeah now onto things more positive we have to change the tune because we don't want people to switch off um survey we have we have we had a wonderful survey come out today they um they surveyed a thousand uh secondary school students in ireland last year the results are up and the five most um how shall i say the five emojis that those students picked for uh 2020 were we haven't opened the screen the emoji so you have the sick emoji the confused emoji um the crying emoji the uh poo emoji or is poop the technical term i'm too old evan they're on the screen sorry i'm putting you on the spot there the five emojis of 2020. hopefully uh the the autumn and winter 2021 emoji will be yippee is there an ep get me to the pub quick celebration yeah celebratory emoji emoji and that's all my little bits and pieces there you