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blessed charles of austria an emperor a king a husband a father a saint a new book by our good friend here charles coulomb who's going to talk to us about why blessed charles of austria is important to our time charles offers a number of books he has a weekly podcast he writes for crisis magazine charles coulombe welcome thank you thank you great to be back how are you i'm great i'm great where are you broadcasting from i am in the beautiful little town of trumaw in austria south of vienna perfect you're you're you're on the scene right there yeah i'll say and we have real autumns unlike my uh my long time in southern california well texas here is looking pretty cold and outside my window i'm seeing some changing leaves so we've got something here all right we're gonna talk about blessed charles uh i've gained a great devotion for him in the last two years um partly because i'm a father of many children as he was and then also i'm just realizing that the collapse of christian society has off has gone with the collapse of catholic monarchy and it's remarkable that this great emperor represented all that was i think we i can say this all that was good and wholesome about catholic europe and what the the catholic monarchies should have always been i think it's just god put a cherry on top of of all of this by giving us blessed carl or as you say blessed charles so do you mind if we go ahead and open up with a uh our father potter nostalgia sure that'll be grounded all right you want to say the second half you want me to do the whole thing uh i'll i'll go along with you go ahead you gonna say it i'll do the second half sure i'll do the second half all right perfect all right and nominee part three said spiritual sanctity amen [Music] you know i love listening to all the different uh language groups prey in latin and i think one of my favorite ones are the germans their latin is is very articulated unlike the french [Laughter] which probably shouldn't surprise us no it's it is true every every country pronounces it differently and of course says the irish american pronunciation which is very particular it might be the worst one uh possibly possibly i do the texas one people say oh marshall i don't know i get confused people say i sound like a texas hick on the latin and then other people say i sound italian and i don't think that's i like the hick texas hick latin and i'm gonna go with that and i think that's a step up from the irish american latin no doubt i i mean well i don't want to bang on the irish too much they have enough troubles of their own mistakes well i wore my irish tie today i couldn't find an austrian tie and i was like man i actually had one but i i ran here literally from class so i i didn't put on my black and gold stripe tie which i would have done for this that's what i was looking for i'm gonna order one i'm going to order it or if i can get one that has rep imperial double-headed eagles that be that would be the best that'd be the best and i would i am wearing my gabage sleeker pin there you go so i i did remember something anyway i'm not entirely out of it all right now who is this blessed charles of austria i've noticed lately everybody says blessed carl that's been like the new thing but your book says you put the charles on there probably because that's your name not because it's my name it's just because it's carl in english yeah but i mean these things are funny it's like uh franz joseph who is his great uncle the emperor before him in the older books in english he's always called francis joseph but in the newer books he's always franz josef right right i i mean i don't know how yeah i guess the older books anglicize things a bit more yeah yeah they they definitely do and uh it was kind of a going back and forth over uh saying carl charles carl and charles carla charles i'm not quite sure why i settled on charles but it uh it's it's he was a fascinating character and it was a um an exciting book to write a difficult book to write in some ways because uh one has to come to terms with a lot of things that uh both as moderns and as americans we probably don't want to come to terms with but such is life you know um what you said earlier about his being father many children such as yourself well very true uh and not only did he have many children but he had them over a span of time you know he began his very first uh who uh i had the pleasure of knowing somewhat your sugar auto um he um he was born in 1912 when uh carl was the heir to the heir to the throne and everything was going great yeah the uh he didn't live to see the eighth and youngest elizabeth who was conceived in exile when everything had fallen apart right and the children in between were conceived during and been born and began their raising during every every permutation of life in between the one and the other and you know he's he's the great is the greatest response the question how can we possibly have children in times like these i don't know look at carl and zeta of course his wife was quite as remarkable as he as he was uh they were very much a team and what you said earlier about him representing all that was best in europe it was also true of her yeah i mean they were almost like a poster couple for uh for the cream of the history of european monarchy and of european catholicism lay catholicism um yeah i'm going to put a picture of them up here on their wedding day it's a lovely picture isn't it it is i mean it's just everything sweet about this uh from you know both there's her her dress his smile i mean he's just a happy groom oh yeah it's just it's a lovely picture and it it captures how much he loved his wife and um just a man receiving the sacrament of matrimony is just a it's a joyful thing yeah and and he it was a funny thing he proposed to her they had known each other as children and then of course they they did what you know the various things uh they were thrown together again because they had a uh a distant relative in common uh the great she was the great honor of the one of them and the honor the the great honor the other um but they met again because of her and the rumor then came about that this this bourbon prince had proposed to her and he immediately ran to his great aunt to find out if this was true and she said well no it's not and his response was well i better ask her before someone else does that when you got bourbons running around you gotta be careful though they're like they could yeah they could get they could get the pretty ones and she was one herself so you see she was a living advertisement for the ball family right uh is a her background was very interesting uh he was a habsburg of course and his mother was a saxon princess she was a bourbon parma her father had been one of the uh duke of a small area in italy was overwhelmed by calvary and those guys in 1860 but her mother was a portuguese princess of the older lion of the family they've been pushed out in another liberal revolution in 1830 so when they were going into exile she asked the british colonel who accompanied them when they're going to switzerland 1919. uh she said colonel strut my family had been driven out of france spain italy and portugal i came to austria and now i have to leave to what country do i belong and poor strut could only sit there and go i don't know what to tell you and then uh at the same moment carl said um after 800 years meaning the the rule of the uh of the habsburgs and then he sighed and said uh god's will be done yeah imagine being at the end now i want to ask you this is the question that i've been burning to ask you for a long time they went to they went to he he ended in a portuguese territory correct yes that's where he died so i want to ask you a fatima question okay you know the apocryphal intro to the third secret is that something about the faith always in portugal right and also the idea that it you find this in the early church fathers you find it in saint john chrysostom that the restraining force of second thessalonians the catacomb in the greek that that's the roman empire and then it gets spiritualized into you know perhaps we could say the greek roman empire the holy roman empire there's always this imperial coupling with the papacy um as the roman empire gets spiritualized and sanctified and blessed carl's the end of that train he's the caboose so is is this so far yes um so when we read in scripture and if we if we do identify it as the roman empire the imperial office i mean people don't know this but in the roman canon in the latin mass at the taijeiter it used to be in rome they would say the name of the pope and well the local diocesan bishop in rome that was the pope but they'd also pray for the imperator in the canon that's correct in the canon so this is a very important office that he holds do you think that there's sort of a conjunction with our lady of fatima's apparition in 1917 and then soon after the heirs of russia and then the downfall of blessed carl and the habsburg family is this prophetic and leading to the nonsense that we see in the 1900s well you know i i would say so i mean obviously i'm not the the best interpreter of prophecy but having said that you have three things happening at the same time you have fatima you have or should say the uh the overthrow of uh of uh emperor carl and is going into exile they also have in the same year as fatima the overthrow of the russian empress who in their way claimed to be the continuous of byzantium the other expression if you will third realm yeah the third rome and they both used the double eagle which was the symbol of the later roman empire the eagle looks east and west that it certainly does have a very prophetic feeling to it uh and the fact that what replaced both of them was horror utter and complete horror and the fact the fact that you know it's one thing when you overthrow a regime and you replace it with something else that's it's a it can be unfortunate to say the least but that's something one which what it's replaced with is something so evil uh as both the communists and the nazis and the communists replacing the nazis or in most of the former uh austrian territories uh and then the if you might say the third wave of marxism uh what we're seeing really today uh you know infanticide everywhere uh the the uh uh collapse of gender identity uh it it again i'm not an apocalypticist by nature yes but even if these are not the last days it's certainly in the end of an era uh to be replaced with we know not what now it's not the end of the end of time remember at fatima ladies said eventually russia will be converted my immaculate time there'll be a period of peace no mention of the end of the world there right so it may be that what we're seeing is the end of the uh the end of the post-reformation civilization who knows right uh one of the things you find with prophecy and this is certainly true of fatima is that they tend to make sense after they've been accomplished [Laughter] yeah we look at all the prophecies of the old covenant and like well how come they didn't know christ the messiah would be the son of god and rise in the third day seems obvious because we're living afterwards i mean just again to take fatima as an example uh our lady says well this war will end but if people don't straighten up and fly right another and worse will break out in the reign of pope pius x well there are two ways you could look at that it was absolutely correct but if you had known the prophecy of fatima and you and a lot of people did then it really was not that unknown let's say 1920. along comes pius x oh my stars it's pious 11 head to the hills right well yeah except that's 1922 pal and you're going to be sitting up there until 1939. [Laughter] so the the the thing is when you look at these things you always have to bear in mind that uh prophecy has not given us frankly to act like a stock report or a racing form but it's not the point what it tells us not unlike eucharistic miracles frankly is that god is in charge he does know what's happening everything we're everything that we will encounter however terrible it may be for us personally is not outside god's plan or god's understanding and there again carl and zeta are great examples because they literally had everything taken from them everything they went from a life of privilege the life of which most of us will never know to a life of privation the like of which most of us will never know i mean well i hope the way things are going we may we may we may understand the understand the second state a lot better than we do now but uh this is something that has to be born in mind um we tend where there's an old arab saying every man thinks his fleas are gazelles and we tend to make our own immediate issues oh this is the worst thing that could ever happen yeah well don't say that don't ever say that yeah it could be worse yep i want to follow up on that so you know our lady of la salette talks about the church going into eclipse and archbishop vegano lately has been using the language of eclipse uh he did it just this past past week actually uh repeated use of a clip so when it with the idea of the eclipse is it's hidden it falls under darkness but it doesn't disappear you know and so we all know that in an apocalyptic eschatological setting that can and probably will happen but what about the habsburgs and what about the imperial office could we say it too goes into eclipse and it comes back and then along with the prophecy here great french monarch how much french blood needs to be in that monarch well there's uh there's a whole a whole ton of questions boy oh boy oh boy oh hardly know where to start on that one well yes it's certainly true that eclipse doesn't mean destroyed um if you think of the hundred years of the pornocracy in the 900s of the papacy when the people throne was occupied by a weird succession of thieves and perverts right things should get really really bad when you think of the fact that from 476 a.d when the last roman emperor was deposed in the west to 800 when charlemagne was crowned that was a pretty long enderenium now there was still the emperors at constantinople but the imperial idea never vanished and it was more an idea than anything else i mean similarly we touched on the third realm now of course i'm not i'm not rush orthodox so it doesn't have the same the same excitement for me than it might for others but uh and i'd like to point out that the wedding between the byzantine emperor's niece and the russian czar that created that whole idea was negotiated by the pope of the day just so they point that out right people forget that hey charles real quick i hear you perfectly and i see your face but you're not moving it's like your camera's frozen gosh that does happen unfortunately yeah being here in austria sure we can roll with it it's fine as long as everybody understands that you're not standing really still i'm stiff and emotionally unavailable oh yeah we can hear you fine so i would just say keep going but people are asking and i i was a little confused too so you keep going talking about people arrangements of imperial offices yeah so uh so the thing the thing was kept the holy roman empire itself per se died in 1806. yeah uh what happened was that france ii of the last holy roman emperor was afraid that napoleon would proclaim himself emperor the french successor of charlemagne he would try to take it so two years earlier he declared himself emperor of austria as a sort of escape hatch so he'd still have an imperial title right and then 1806 he abdicates the throne he declares the empire dissolved now that was kind of a funny thing what year was that again 1806 that was kind of a funny thing because you see you can't really dissolve uh a country just because you've abdicated it right so a lot of the uh the legalists would tell you that the uh the empire continues as a strange sort of disembodied form right uh you then had both the tsars and the kaisers moving along the austrian causes until world war one uh it's interesting that the prayers for the holy roman emperor uh that you'll find not in the um uh roman missal until the 55 changes during holy week he was also prayed for an edition of the canon good points prayed for uh one of the collects in good friday the good friday service 355 one of the um and then a section of the exultat on holy saturday when they do the the blessing of the new fire uh there were prayers to the emperor and those were kept in the roman missal until 1955 they were said for the austrian emperor in his dominions until 1918. yes so i had a conversation with someone today they said well no he wasn't really the holy roman emperor but my counter argument was well he is in the missile how would you how would you understand that well yeah i mean as i say they continue to say the same imperial prayers for the emperor of austria i mean you're both right in the sense that per se he wasn't the holy roman emperor but in a very real sense the uh the habsburgs inherited all of the symbolic the symbolism and the appertances of the holy roman empire uh that's why for instance to this day the headquarters the deutsche orton uh of knights the teutonic knights which you'll remember are here in vienna uh and similarly santa maria del anima the church and college and uh sadality in rome which was always under the holy roman emperor went under the whole the protection of the austrian empress right so you're he's right in a very strict legalistic sense you're right in a more general symbolic sense and it's interesting uh during world war ii the uh biggest resistance to the nazis here in austria we're not the socialists who are collaborators uh and not the communists who are a small minority but the monarchists and their largest group was called o5 uh i'll have to excuse myself you're breaking up in front of me and looking very strange and pixelating and so can can you still hear me closely still hear you clearly i still yeah you you look great you're frozen but you're in a great pose you're not in a weird pose and i i can still see me and hear me on on my side and everybody everybody but someone says yes we got a decent frame to freeze on for you you look very dignified almost stern but solemn oh boy so you're good all right well as i say it was called o5 and that had three different meanings uh all at once uh you see when the nazis took over austria the real name of the country is spelled o umlaut that is o e right s-s-t-e-r etc they changed the name to ostmark with no umlau oh i didn't know yeah and that was the name under the nazis was ostemark so they took the umlaut away and the resistance name o5 could mean o e as in israel ah but there are two other meanings the five could mean a e i o u the five vowels which uh is code for a whole bunch of different austrian phrases all about how wonderful astra is of course and in german and latin i mean they're literally i've i've seen seven or eight of them i won't i won't bore you with them all but uh that's the the second meaning but the third meaning o5 if the archduke otto the son of kaiser carl the oldest son had been hold a roman emperor he would have been otto the fifth ah okay so uh you see these these we we tend to forget especially because we're used to thinking of government and all that strictly in terms of power uh we tend to forget the importance of symbolism uh of of uh well in a sense political theology yes we we're yeah we've kind of lost it uh and yet there are certain senses in which our own united states are rather similar to old austria-hungary uh in the sense that we have no ethnic or religious cohesion they have more religious creation than we do that's for sure because they were 70 75 percent catholic but uh we have no no no more ethnic uh creation than they did and of course you'll always hear people saying america is more an idea than a country and so on that's a debatable issue but certainly it was true about austria-hungary it was more of an idea a shared dedication to something than it was in ethnicity and so in that sense there there's there's a lot we can learn in the united states from austria-hungary uh it's interesting too that over a hundred years after it fell the areas that were incorporated to other countries romania poland ukraine serbia and so forth the areas that were habsburg are very very different still from the areas that weren't how so uh in in all sorts of ways culturally politically uh attitudes toward governance uh in countries the the area in parts of countries that were habsburg they tend on the one hand to be less distrustful of government on the other hand there tends to be less corruption now by the same token very often the voting boundaries the election maps will follow the old border almost exactly so for instance in poland where they recently had a presidential election the areas that had been russian or austria went for the president the areas that were had been uh prussian went for his opponent yeah yeah yeah oh it's not if you know the background right but it's interesting to see how all these years later the so-called habsburg effect as sociologists are calling it now is still very very much a part of the lives even of nationalities that were seemingly the keenest to join their ethnic brethren well they were their ethnic brethren in some ways but they were very different than others and that's something that it sometimes has taken over a century to realize right right okay so speaking of ethnicities how much french blood needs to be in a great french monarch's body that's a good question and you know maybe maybe can you say something about the great french monarch i think maybe half of our audience may not be familiar with it even though i talk about it often well basically the it's a going back to the middle ages it's a motif in catholic prophecy before the end of time and again there are many variations so what i'm going to say will be true for a number of them but i'm sure you'll be able to find somebody who said something different i'll say that now right but generally speaking toward the end of time the idea is that there would arise the last roman emperor in many cases he's held to be the successor not just a constant team but also charlemagne a charlamagne of course wasn't french he was a frank but then the franks conquered france and gave him the name it was gall before see these things get very very confusing when you ask about the amounts of blood right because a frank is actually germanic right exactly exactly right and the the uh the amount of intermixture in european royal families is so much that you would be hard to find a european royal who didn't descend from the ball or from the habsburgs yeah it's just it's the way it is but uh the the uh idea then was that this individual would restore the empire now mind you there had been other people who did that theodosius the great restored the empire he was the last one to rule what had been rome uh justinian charlemine himself otto the first uh and prestigious one who ended the great schism when there were three popes we forget it was the holy roman emperor who put an end to that not the church he see he got tired of it he's all right guys you had your fun right then there were two now there's three i don't think we're doing this anymore i i don't really care for it so uh you had various other attempts to restore the empire you even uh touched your russian friends you had alexander the first who's probably the only russians are who really took that kind of role seriously um that idea however has always been hovering around as this very powerful symbol a very powerful if you will psychological motif in the european mind and people like napoleon and i'm sorry to say hitler also uh took advantage of it to a greater or lesser degree uh even the european union even the united nations to a degree is kind of a rip-off of that sort of idea and by the way uh it's a yearning for that unconsciously i suspect that uh explains why the post-world war ii popes were always so happy about the eu and the u.n because there was a yearning on their part for a temporary a supranational temporal partner i didn't say it was a smart idea i just remember understanding why something is doesn't mean you agree with it it just means you know why it is right i mean i i i can tell you why great dictators come to power it doesn't mean i think it's a wonderful idea it wouldn't be great if we had one that's that's not my point but people will respond to certain stimuli even popes because they tend to be people more or less also they will respond very similarly to to this sort of stimuli in in the west one of the biggest things to damage the imperial idea was the feud between successive emperors and successor popes yeah um if you remember dante he was a great apologist for the emperors of his time we always yeah we we always think of his uh of his uh inferno paradiso and purgatory or the divine comedy but his de monarchia is the great statement of the imperial idea i wrote a i wrote a doctrinal paper on that document ah well you know what i mean then yeah yeah so i've read it it's it's an important book and it it also points out something uh interesting not entirely germaine perhaps but interesting and that is that very often in feuds like that between the guelphs and the gibbolins later on their feuds don't seem so great so i i i when you look at the gloese gibbelins they both proceeded from the same basic first principles what they fought over was their practical application and if you could have somehow brought them to life during the time of the reformation so-called i'm sure they would have been united vis-a-vis luther but contrary wise if you could have brought luther back together with the uh with ignatius loyola during the french revolution i think luther might have might have felt a little bit differently about what he accomplished but that too though the reformation uh really smacked the uh the imperial idea very very strongly yes charles v uh who was the emperor at that time he was another example of someone who was trying to restore the imperial idea he came very close but it broke him yeah and he had his run-ins with the pope no he sure did he should hit i always say that if it hadn't been for the sack of rome in 1527 we never would have had the council of trent right uh not again that doesn't mean i favor sacking rome i have to when you say things like that these days you always gotta immediately rush people like to clip your audio yeah oh i'll say yeah cool coulombs come out for sacking rome well no that's not my point but uh he did have his run-ins with the pope of his day and if you examine them in detail you'll find sometimes he was right sometimes he was wrong almost as though he were a human being like the rest of us because you see we look at all these people with 20 20 hindsight now to return to your original question about the great emperor at the end uh this person who will according to these stories accomplished with charles v and charlemagne and constantine and all these guys wanted to do what in his way our blessed charles wanted to do blessed carl um because he wanted to restore the concert of europe um this emperor toward the end of time will succeed where they all failed but this is a big but uh after he comes to power supposedly the antichrist will arise right and many versions of the story and there'll be a great pope too who has different names the angelic shepherd and so on and he'll do for the church what the emperor is doing for stay for the state uh and then the emperor will go to war with the antichrist to be defeated and that that uh that will be the end of him and the beginning for a short period of uh the reign of antichrist now uh you could look at this prophecy in several different ways you can look at it as something that will certainly happen before the end of time uh there's certainly no mention of it at fatima so if it does come to pass presumably it'll occur after that period of peace or perhaps usher it in who knows right you can look at it as a recurring motif in history if you remember lord of the rings tolkien was really a master at consciously or not of grabbing historical motifs so his the figure of aragorn for instance starts out as sort of a bonnie prince charlie figure and ends up at charlemagne yeah and he's eclipsed that's why i like this language aragorn is eclipsed he's the hidden king he is the hidden he's there you can't see him you can't see him and he does come out eventually uh and of course there are little remnants in bits and pieces to remind you of his existence right and the loyal despite not knowing where he is despite not knowing his existence despite having no real hope of seeing is coming in their time nevertheless remain loyal to the idea which remember in the shire had degenerated just the idea of saying when the king comes back right for some impossible thing the other the other interesting parallel there is the siege of gondor which starts out very much like the siege of constantinople in 1453 and ends up like the siege of vienna in 1683. even even down to the roharim coming from the north and the bugles sounding which was exactly happened what happened when kenyan soviet in the polls came riding down to vienna it there are motifs in history and they repeat constantly they're never identical it's never precisely the same but there are similarities and uh it's one of the comforts if you will of the study of history so how will or will the eschatological emperor come back and will he be a habsburg could he be something else oh how's this how's this gonna happen charles i have no i have no idea i mean i don't know and i don't know when it'll happen it could be now it could be 500 years it could be 5 000 years i have no idea right what i uh what i can say however is that you'll know it when it happens yeah uh which it sounds like a uh as you used to say back in my far-off 60s childhood it sounds like a cop-out uh but i mean it's true you you can't until these things happen you can't really know but when they do happen you'll know there'll be no question now mind you uh as i've said that none of the uh none of the attempts at really restoring the empire ever came to pass but that doesn't mean they didn't accomplish things and prestigious men really did end the great schism and we only had one pope again charles v didn't bring back the the great republic of christiana that he hoped for hoped to haven't dreamed of but he did found the universities of mexico city in peru and the the settlement of the americas started in earnest under him he was the first man of whom they said the sun never sets on his empire similarly when you look at blessed emperor charles was his life a failure no not not by a long shot quite apart from the fact that he and his wife was a servant of god she's up for beatification uh him doubtless and she very likely are in heaven which that's the first triumph if that was all they'd ever done that's it that's it they're in like flynn but it's not number one they gave us an example and not just of a father and a husband although that's certainly true not just of a soldier that's certainly true not just of a ruler that's also true that if you study him in any of these areas you'll be amazed if you study them in any detail but he also was a tremendous patron for children of broken homes and difficult uh difficult families his parents were very poorly suited for each other and didn't really care for each other very much by the end of it but not only did he stay on very good terms both of them he got the best from each of them so he got his mother's very deep piety deep devotion but none of her dour disposition from his dad he got the the light manner the humor the charm the the easy-going way of dealing with anybody but not the promised duty uh so you know he he he was able to get from each of them what was best and that's something that i think a lot of children have broken homes or difficult families that's something that they need you know they need to be able to look at the the estranged parents and get the both out of either of them uh and the other thing it did was it made him very much a peacemaker in his family one of the historical questions that kind of came up is that his uh his uncle franz ferdinand who was the heir to the throne and was assassinated sarajevo thus beginning the second war sorry the first world war and his great uncle franz joseph were on not terribly good terms for personal and political reasons france joseph was annoyed that franz ferdinand had married morganatically and he uh disagreed violently with him over the future franz ferdinand wanted to federalize the empire and he wanted to reduce uh austria's alliance with germany uh i'm fairly satisfied although i could be wrong and i'm always waiting to be corrected that had franz ferdinand lived he would have explored alliances with russia and great britain and that would have been an interesting turn certainly would have kept france and germany kind of quiet but at any rate the question that came up was how did carl manage to stay on such terribly good terms with both his great uncle and his uncle and not become a third center of intrigue or anything like that especially when you consider that his uncle's children could not inherit the throne and he was inheriting the throne now in any other setup don't you think that franz ferdinand might feel some sort of resentment toward the nephew who was taking his children's place but there was none of it and i and i think it's because of carl himself i think he had learned in dealing with his parents how to how to deal with a situation like that the first thing you've got to bear in mind i think when you look at his relationship with those two difficult gentlemen was that he loved them both that's the first thing he loved his great uncle he loved his uncle he uh agreed with his uncle politically but he understood that his great uncle having spent the better part of his life trying to accomplish the existing setup at great personal cost to himself was not really keen on fiddling anymore with it he understood that and he also uh looked at the family situation of his uncle which even though it was a morgan attic marriage was a very happy one franz ferdinand and sophie were just an extremely happy couple and he spent as much time as he could with them because he enjoyed that that was what gave him his picture of what married life should be and there's a kind of a touching story um in its accidents not the story itself isn't too touching but one of the phrases came up in that uh not all that long before franz ferdinand was murdered at sarajevo uh carl and zita had uh had dinner with franz ferdinand and sophie which they did fairly frequently so sophie excused herself for one reason or another and franz ferdinand said i didn't want to say anything while your aunt was here but i know that i'm going to be murdered and there are some papers in my desk that i want you to have when the time comes now that was kind of weird by itself yeah what struck me apart from that specifically was simply the sheer domesticity i didn't want to say anything while your aunt was here right that i i mean you just don't think of people like that having a relationship like that if if you see what i mean what was the fate what was the catholic faith of franz ferdinand i've never heard anything about that you haven't and i can tell you a lot now much more than i could when i started writing the book okay uh franz ferdinand you the only thing you ever hear about him people say that he was a difficult personality he looks kind of fierce in all his pictures uh the ones you see anyway and you know that he hunted a lot he was a huge hunter every house he had was filled with antlers he loved hunting that's all you know and the and the common mind is very misinformed franz ferdinand was incredibly devout okay he was especially devoted to the sacred heart not only when he died not only did he have a medal of the sacred heart on him when he died he was actually in the midst of uh making the uh making the first friday devotion he was i forget how far how many fridays he'd done but he was doing it when he was killed the other thing that's interesting uh tyrol the province of tyrol which is now in austria and italy but at the time was all in austria-hungary uh they are especially dedicated to the sacred heart yes uh because of andreas sulfur and the napoleonic wars those things well it so happened that in a town in toronto called hal h-a-l-l there was a barracks and the barracks had formerly been er well it could have been an arm right now that i'm thinking it was barracks ceremony or one of the other but it had been a monastery and it was bought by franz ferdinand and turned into a basilica and convent in honor of the sacred heart now he bought it it was being refurbished it was due to be dedicated early in 1915 and he was scheduled as the patron of the place to be present for the uh the opening as we know he was killed at sarajevo so he couldn't attend right uh the then archduke carl attended in his uncle's place because he shared his uncle's great devotion to the sacred heart um so to answer your question he was not only politically astute he was very devout see it's good to know yeah now is this covered in your in your new book yep great it's all there great uh i i learned as i said i learned a lot about franz ferdinand in the writing of the book i learned well you know honestly any book you ever write i don't tell you this any book you ever write you'll two things will happen you learn all sorts of things you didn't know that's the fun part for me is the research the writing is a bit you know if i could just do research all the time and get paid for it i'd be happy but the the second is uh when the book comes out you'll be inundated with facts you wish you'd known so for instance uh one one thing that came to my attention two weeks ago uh one during the war uh carl was always disagreeing with the germans over the way things ought to be done time and time again they would clash and of course he had no control he had no power so he'd say you're wrong you shouldn't do this you're going to be sorry they'd say yeah sure that you know they'd do it they'd be wrong well they wouldn't be sorry but they'd be wrong so they came up with this great idea to knock russia out of the war by smuggling a man named vladimir lenin in a shield in a sealed boxcar in russia yeah well uh carl didn't think this was a smart idea he thought this was really kind of stupid and he said so in no uncertain terms uh they took no notice they sent him uh they sent him into russia but he wouldn't let him go through austria which was the original play on the train so he had to go through germany well it turned out and i didn't know this when i wrote the book i know it now they had a similar bright idea to destabilize italy by sending some communist revolutionaries to italy through sealed cars but to do that they would have to go through austria and so carl said no you're not doing that well that being the case even though he was italy's major antagonist during the war i think he deserves some credit as the savior of italy what would have happened to the italians i mean things were bad enough with the communists after world war one what would have happened if they had gotten the equivalent of lenin there before the war ended yeah yeah and so the italians could be very very grateful to emperor carl however having said that their uh king at the time victor emmanuel iii had one important thing in common with emperor carl and with the belgian king albert they were the only three heads of state who were at the front there at the what at the front fighting they were in the midst of the uh the fighting uh and this was one reason why kaiser carl was very keen on getting the war over gotcha because he uh he had seen it he had been there in a way that not not uh lloyd george or kamal so or wilson or uh or even uh even the kaiser had been he had been right there on several fronts and you know the the the other uh the other interesting thing is that while he was at the italian front at one point he saved a soldier during a flash flood the uh the soldier in question had been wounded he was kind of lame so he was being used to uh watch horses this big flash flood comes right down this river this uh waterway and the uh the fellow gets swept on it uh swept up in it and carl uh then an archduke in the general not the uh not yet the emperor jumped into the water and rescued him at great uh great risk to his own life and that's that's one thing too about kazakh was that he was very brave personally uh i don't know how many heads of state you could say that about then or now yeah yeah well even to have have these men out like you say on the front that's that's kind of the old medieval ideal yeah leading from the front right and it's it's uh it's interesting too that there was only one other future head of state who was at the front at that time and that was the prince of wales it would later be edward viii how about that uh he was down he was at the front at the front he saw chauffeur killed in front of him wow which is one reason why he wasn't keen on getting into war again yeah yeah so can you tell us about the final kind of the final descent the last days of blessed charles of austria it's uh i i heard it for the first time last year at the blessed carl symposium that's here in dallas texas and it's very moving and i think it it it reveals to people the true sanctity of the emperor and the empress it it certainly does um the backdrop it's important to remember before we go in into it that kaiser carl was betrayed all over the place uh he was betrayed by um kyle renner the socialist who would of course labor collaborate later collaborate with both the nazis and the soviets a neat trick if you could pull it off uh he was betrayed by his own uh foreign minister count shanin our woodward wilson uh the french kamasu who revealed the uh secret negotiations for peace his german allies the nationalist leaders in his own country i mean the list goes on and on um had it been me i think it would have made me extremely bitter and i would think i would have hated my peoples i really would have well it made a better stuff than i am they went to exile initially into switzerland a communist fellow named bella [ __ ] took taken over hungary he was overthrown and a regency was declared so carl decided that it was time to retake the hungarian throne he made two attempts these were unsuccessful so the allies moved him and zeta to the island of madeira now they did something else while they were in switzerland they had had access to funds uh not just their own but also whatever supporters and allies and friends of theirs could get them when they were in madeira the allies refused to allow anybody to send the money that's important to bear in mind when they immediately arrived they stayed in a hotel uh reed's hotel which is still there but they couldn't afford to stay there any longer so fortunately for them uh the uh the uh a portuguese gentleman on the island lent them his summer house to stay in free of charge but you know it's a summer house it wasn't made for the winter and although madeira and winters aren't that bad most of the islands up in the hills they are cold and foggy and rainy and he caught cold he already had bad lungs um and he caught pneumonia and eventually killed him it took a long time for him to die and they had no antibiotics in those days so they tried all of these remedies which were horrific cupping and things like that just awful things what's cupping so they take a hot cup and put it on your on burning your back yeah to uh try to get the infection to lift away from your lungs i think that's the theory of it anyway but it's it's nasty and very painful and of course there was no there was no money for decent medicine there hadn't been money for a lot of food so they were just in terrible terrible shape um and when it all the while though they did have the mass uh when he was well he taught his children the catechism and things like that uh and in fact there in switzerland and madeira was where the art should goto really got to know his father because as you said years later you know when when he was away at the war all the time he barely saw him and the ironic thing is that he was closest to his father at the family's worst times but again that shows you what sort of a father he was because when he was there he was very very affectionate his children came first so at any rate he expressed constantly a resignation of the will of god he prayed a lot uh he had no ill words for anyone but the day of his death this is often the case with people of this sort it was filled with signs and wonders she might say he made the statement and given the situation in central europe today i think about a lot about it i am suffering that my peoples might come back together uh he repeatedly called upon on god and declared his willingness to follow his will he said something very interesting to his wife the day he died he told her i have talked to the king of spain as soon as my funeral is over and i'm buried get in contact with him and he'll take care of him and she said how could you possibly have gotten the god dead for the king of spain and he said don't worry about it just get in contact with him i'm telling you it'll be all right so uh one of the last things he did was he had a little otto sent in to see him on his deathbed and he was present for the death and he was asked well you know do you think you should see this and he said yes it's important for him to see how an emperor and a catholic dies so he died they had the uh the funeral there in madeira and she was able to get in touch with alfonso 13th king of spain who said absolutely i will take you out of there and he sent a warship to pick them up well the british threatened king alfonso and they said you know we're not letting them leave madeira until she agrees to renounce the throne for herself and her children king alfonso said i'm sending a warship and if you fire on it you're at war with spain now spain wasn't a very powerful country in those days but seeing that in that very year because britain was so overextended she'd had to bat down in front of the turks the last thing she was going to do was get into war with spain even though it wasn't a big deal so the santa elena shows up takes them away from madeira they come to spain they take the train to madrid and then there they are at the palace and um she says you know i'm very grateful but um why have you done this and alfonso 13 said well it was a very strange thing but the night they told me that your husband was dying i all of a sudden had the most bizarre feeling that if i didn't look after you the same thing would happen one day to my wife and children and then she told him what her her husband had said and then you know they looked at each other and got well okay um and that that was the end of emperor carl and it but it was the beginning of uh zeta's successful attempt you might say to resurrect the brand she first had to worry about educating her children and she didn't want to stay in madrid there were a lot of problems and there there were tensions of the spanish royal family she always say so uh alfonso lent them a villa in uh on the coast of spain where they lived for eight years and then they moved to belgium and uh otto went to louisville as his younger brothers did study philosophy and all that and also they were closer to austria closer to germany and then they were able to well it's a whole other story you read about it in the book but uh zeta herself for a long long period of widowhood is a very interesting story the other inner city about that about their relationship is that um are you still with me oh i'm here yes all right you've you you look like the outer limits honestly it's amazing anyway all pixelated and bizarre it's good on this end we're good on this end oh it's just the it's the austrian austrian internet yeah it could be my i don't know my handlers at the secret police but whatever it needs the intercession of the blessing carl yeah it could be no so what what uh uh what should happen though is that the first miracle that carl uh occur or uh accomplished was with a brazilian nun and her name was zeta sister zeta so when his widow found out that that happened she said oh yes as always he's thinking of me yeah [Laughter] so you know i i mean it it uh one of one of the other things i touched on in the book and i think it's it's worth our consideration especially uh with the upcoming election to tell you the truth is the uh not simply his his popularity after death uh and the growth of his culture since he was beatified which you know it makes a lot of sense in central europe and indeed in the rest of europe and even brazil and mexico where there are a lot of habsburg connections but an interesting thing has been the growth of his popularity in the united states uh they've just had on his last feast day october 21st uh which is by the way the date of his wedding to zeta not the date of his death which is april 1st um but they had the 16th shrine to carl opened up in jasper georgia 16th ride in the united states i i can tell you that i know of at least a couple of other places that are applying to get the same the same sort of treatment you've got annual conferences as you know in dallas uh they're about to have one on my birthday actually my 16th birthday november 8th they're having a big uh kaiser carl uh phet in saint louis uh missouri all they do victories uh and of course washington uh i'm afraid the covent monster is pretty much keeping me stuck in austria i no i i'm not i'm not going anywhere at the moment uh i'm in exile too uh just like carl we'll be in a much nicer place at least you're in exile in austria yes exactly right i'll tell you it it there are much worse places to be exiled believe me but uh you know you see this you see also washington dc you know old saint berries there are a lot of other we have two here charles my parish montre de e catholic church of the fraternity of saint peter we have had a shrine installed last year to blessed carl with his relic and do you know who who did it bishop athanasius schneider ah that's right i didn't he's the one who dedicated the shrine to blessed carl in our church so when you come in the the church from the north x which is on the side right to your right are candles and a portrait of blessed carl right there and people pray i go there and pray and then there's another shrine in the dallas fort worth area at the anglican ordinary at church saint mary the virgin they have an altar with uh the portrait of blessed carl over the the altar so we have two blessed carl shrines within 20 minutes of us in texas of all places in texas of all places and that of course if you go to san antonio texas and you go to the old spanish governor's palace you'll see the double eagle over the door a reminder that texas was under the habsburgs themselves once but uh it it's true and of course the question that you want to ask oneself is why would he be so popular in the united states and i think that there are several answers to that question uh probably more than i'll give you here but still uh number one uh partly as the marriage and family issue you know they're so under threat here and to see someone in a position like his uh being such a good father such a good husband yes and as i pointed out such a good son um we we really need an intercessor like that uh in terms of the american family but there's more and the more is that he represents a kind of sacrificial self-sacrificial rulership that we simply don't have or have not had for a very very long time almost can't conceive of having but in a sense you're in for um i mean if you look at our presidents uh probably uh washington and lincoln and where you are jefferson davis are the uh the only uh presidents we would think of as being you know right off as being willing to s willing to uh sacrifice themselves to their people uh well teddy roosevelt charged up san juan hill and there were veterans among the other presidents but i mean by and large you don't think of the president of the united states as being willing to sacrifice himself for his people it's just not what we think about when we think of the presidency um and carl represents someone well who is suffering that his peoples might come back together little joke of mine is that the united states are the world's longest and most successful oedipus complex you know we we got rid of daddy in 1776 that we managed more or less ever since but there is a sense in which we do yearn for that kind of leader um mostly subconsciously but the idea of someone who would put his people over his own happiness that particularly an election year that's really something so and also given that we're faced right now with a great deal of civil unrest and the prospect of a lot more whomever is elected um he went through all that he saw his entire country collapse around him so there too especially in this very difficult time in our country's history i think he's a very good patron someone to pray to for for help and and assistance that uh our country not go the way that austria-hungary did it it's it's interesting too that uh during the war archduke auto was in washington he ended up you can read all about it in the book i go on in some detail but it's a great degree he's responsible for austria not being considered an axis power but a victim due to the uh the pull to the degree that he had it with uh fdr um and that uh he was very fond of the united states without chicago he uh he traveled all over the country during the war lecturing and so forth uh and it's it's interesting too that for a short period the empresita and the rest of the family lived first in uh oh gosh what's the name of it it's in the book it's a town in uh massachusetts new hampshire and also in tuxedo park new york both houses to this day are called the emphasis palace by the locals and when you read some of the uh local accounts of it you'd think that the only real importance of empressina was that she was fortunate enough to live in tuxedo park or in the other town you know wasn't it wasn't you fortunate right i i don't want to say we could get a little provincial over here right but right he um and of course he was also he had a part in the uh formation of places like the uh in dallas the cistercian abbey hungarian uh abbey and also the uh hungarian norbertines in orange county yes uh both in california both of whom have played a large part in the uh the history of the church since then yes so it's not like the story is completely irrelevant to us by any stretch yes then the the last unfortunate part that we our last connection to mention and it's a very unfortunate one is woodrow wilson who i'm afraid emerges as the evil genius of the the story um i don't really go into a great deal of detail about it in the book but as winston churchill said it was really uh wilson who was responsible for pushing uh the habsburgs of the horns hollands and the villes box and all those guys off their thrones and in so doing paved the way for hitler yeah and then for stalin and that that i tell you doc that is a reality we americans have yet to face you know there's all this talk right now about an historical reckoning because of systemic racism and blah blah blah well that's not the reckoning that really is needed the reckoning with what wilson did in world war one within the living memories of a few people still with us right that's something that we have never addressed and i would suggest that people who really like going after uh writing historical wrongs long after uh the the the uh principles are dead if they want something let them go deal with that right well i haven't read the book yet i don't even have the book yet but i'm going to i don't have the book either but i read it we're doing it we're doing an interview show on your book and neither of us have the book no neither of us do uh it's coming to europe by a ship it's one thing i've learned is that the publishing industry while very advanced in some areas is very very traditional in others and so my my books are making their stately way across the atlantic i hope first class i hope they're having a good time yes with an austrian flag maybe over the box or something yeah exactly right the occasional bottle of champagne smashed over exactly well it's called blessed charles of austria a holy emperor and his legacy by charles coulombe the link to the book at amazon is below this video i asked the moderators to put it into the live chat as well um order copy hopefully in america it gets to us faster than it gets to the author charles in austria and uh i would encourage everyone to get a devotion charles colon because especially when you read of his devotion for his family his wife for matrimony all of these things and of course he is a suffering servant like his king and lord jesus christ so anything you want to close up with charles before we pray our hail mary or avi maria and sign off absolutely absolutely i'll just say that uh i've written quite a few books in my life many of which i was extremely pleased with uh particularly the subjects of them but this book was quite unique i was very happy to be able to see a lot of the places where he himself went and was and if i have i'm very grateful if i can expand the expand the circle of people who know him considerably more because i honestly he was i could say without reservation despite the fact that he was only effectively reigning for two years he was to my way of thinking without a doubt the greatest rule of the 20th century produced better than any of them better than churchill better than fdr uh better than i mean i can't think of it better than degall i can't think of anyone who comes close in excellence to blessed emperor carl and you know having spent the majority of my life in that bloodiest century it's it almost redeems it that such a man lived in it yes amen well great we'll pray the avi maria and we'll pray it um i think we'll we'll pray it that blessed carl blessed charles is elevated to the altars of the church truly is a saint i just basically call him a saint i'm not why wait yeah exactly exactly his i mean the thing is is you know people like you know that they try to canonize people like paul vi who has no cultists no devotion have you ever met anyone who has a holy card of paul vi or a shrine no but all over the world there is a enormous cultist for blessed charles of austria in places where he never reigned you know it's amazing how many people love this monarch it's true and you know there's one other point i should make about him before i forget and it's kind of funny do you realize that in beatifying him john paul ii created his own name patron oh because his name is carl he was and he was named after him he was named after that was carol vitia named after carl of austria he sure was and so you see when he beatified him he created his own namesake i love it well my my eighth child margaret who sometimes appears on these videos when she runs in with her baby dolls her uh middle name is carol carl for the same same namesake carol you know carol's more of a girl name in english all right so we'll play navi maria for his colt and i i'd ask everyone to please like this video if you're watching on youtube and please share this video i think this is this is good wholesome uh things that we need to think about read about talk about so please share the video and hit the share button share it on facebook share it on twitter you can tag me and you can tag charles coulombe you can see his twitter handle there if you want and then if you're new we are live so please subscribe and hit the bell and you'll be notified whenever i go live and also you can uh there's all kinds of charles clooney videos on youtube the guy's really popular so just type his name into youtube and you'll find lots and lots of great videos analysis history humor all kinds of things so charles thanks for being with us i'm going to pray that of maria do you want to pray the second half sure okay patrice it's spirit 2 song d amen ave maria grazia plena dominus benedicta ii and molieri boos benedictus fructus venturi stewie jesus santa maria mother day nobody's picking australia amen blessed carl pray for us the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost amen all right everyone thanks for watching and remember also that a great advocate of the rosary was himself blessed charles of austria so pray your rosary every day or you're not on the team we must pray our rosary every day as our lady of fatima taught us and asked us to do and remember our lord jesus christ said you are the light of the world the salt of the earth so go out there and be salty charles kullum thank you and god bless thank you god bless you take care all