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some good amount of people coming in what's going on salaam Moxie Robert Michael are you doing degree oh we could always complain just can't do nothing about it yeah I know I complain all the time and just when we think we have something to complain about it could get worse the next day so better off not complaining yeah for sure go ahead I'm just still just checking in with people say hey this is a my first first time being on this group here I actually emailed Jackie yesterday I had a couple questions for her but she said check out this uh just that app called zoom she gave me the the meeting number so checking in and out I'm not sure if up just a weekly weekly thing you guys meet up here and not have this yeah yeah this is every week sometimes sometimes Jackie's here Jackie's the one who started the meeting this this weekly meeting on this particular channel a lot of times she's here sometimes she's not but yeah we have a lot of guys on here a lot and uh girls who ladies who are weekly regulars who are very knowledgeable I'm personally uh in and out I got my kids on Tuesday nights I got to kind of go it mean mute myself in and out throughout the night but we got a lot of you here yeah it's that I apologize one second Ruben Robert you hear me yeah I hear yep hey I just I just talked to Jackie so either way is good she said you could use this room or like I said you could use mine so either way we're set for you oh good cool man I'm zoom has screen share correct oh yeah oh yeah you can see it right in the center of your bottom right of the screen well I'm on my phone now so oh yeah there it is share content some but I'll be on my computer when we do the calls cool dad and I could I could make the hosts for those for those meetings mm-hmm that way that way you can record it yeah absolutely man I think um like I said I don't want to give the impression that we're talking about remedies or anything like that and you know I think I think four weeks four sessions it's probably not gonna be enough for people to really grasp but that'll give us a pulse on where we are where people are what they want you know going forward absolute selves I'll just go over some basic things administrative process important satisfaction things like that you know and things that I use daily for all these accounts and again you know just education people can take from it what they will you know himself I think that's good to point out for any of these calls in general our Ruben wasn't saying it was his first home tonight I think it's good to point out in general that this is this is an education or a information call information sharing likely what we like to say a lot you know if people have something that they want to share with people that if they're gonna be speaking boldly about it that they at least let us know whether it's something that they've done with success or not repeatably me i we have we have a tendency as a as people in this movement to get excited about certain things that speak on it as if it's something that we're doing on us on a daily basis not saying that you're not personally or different people aren't but no no people get I mean I used to get caught up in it too it took me a few years to catch myself say wait a minute you know the way I'm saying this people think I've actually done it and I can't I can't do that you know but this group is you know obviously really focused on traveling and I do have experience with that and I did win a case with that so you know I can share that experience it's not quite what everybody's doing that's for sure but I walked through it and we successfully made it happen so even after the state took everything so you know I can share that if the group would like to hear that absolutely I'm sure I'm sure they would but again I'm not saying that that's the surefire way I just know looking back at the elements I'm like okay even back then I didn't quite grasp exactly why some of the stuff happened the way it did but then after going back I was like okay I see some elements here that that are very important and now I just and the board which is sometimes we hear each other's experiences and something sticks out in your case that all sudden just turns a light on and someone else has been someone off of mine you know there's this there's there's so many things there's so many factors in these situations and little things that may play a big role that I think that if we just hear each other's experiences sometimes we could put pieces together that might help us in our own case or always completely man I totally agree that's how I put stuff together you know I would hear things from kW that you know people somebody was bringing him up last week you know and I go oh you know what I didn't think of that element but right here's something from rod class you know or or built 14 or you know Jim McBride I mean all these guys you know Paul Andrew Mitchell who's now become a friend of mine studied his stuff man when I first started to doing this and I was like wow this guy can cheating yes man I mean he is just his mind is incredible hey so anyway yeah I totally agree I made you drop one quite real quick that way everybody I was about to start recording that I just want to make sure their buddy knows that we're recording case go ahead I'm gonna mute out okay you don't have to mute out I just say just let he just give it a fair warning that uh you know there's anything that people don't want to say that you know on a recording this can be permanently available oh no worries I got some jazz playing the background and my lady are here chillin so like I said I'll mute out until civil anybody's ready to let me speak up on a side note there how do you actually a mute mute yourself I uh I tried to I'm on my phone also every time I swipe over it'll tell me that my my microphone is muted but then when I swipe to the to the right it says that it's on it doesn't matter to me I just don't want to have any background noise interrupt you guys anything like that on the phone there should be if you just if you just click on it yeah on the phone if you push on the screen it'll bring it up on the bottom left corner and you just hit the little microphone got you thought you didn't see that great okay great thank you appreciate it those for those who are ever driving or anything apparently there's a driving feature too if you swipe to the left I believe on the phone how does how does that work when you're driving it just well yeah if you if you if you on your phone right now if you swipe all the way to the right I guess you swipe the screen to the right you'll see it come up says driving mode see that yeah all right so then I'm when you when you swipe it to the right I guess I think it I think it automatically mutant you maybe and if that's not sure then you could uh there's got an unmute button yeah it kind of looks like it's just a big huge button to unmute yourself as you're driving a lovely so would it what do you what do you think the most common tactic I could guess you've you've heard people use or maybe bring up as far as uh dismissing tickets because me myself I've had so many different ticket thing like you said earlier you know it's a lot of different factor than one of them no I mean I'll speak on it for a minute or thirty seconds but I know there's a lot a lot of guys on here that have a lot more experience with some deeper aspects of it but one thing that we we have said in this particular group is it depends on where you're at in relationship to the system so as an example and this is not necessarily just from experience but from hearing other people's experiences and what they what they've relate on this call if you as an example don't have a life meaning that you have no ties sorry somehow much-needed you out you're making a bunch of noise if you don't have any ties to the state and you get a ticket and then you return it within what is it 72 hours from what I understand if you don't have any ties to the system then it goes to collection instead of instead of going to warrant it will go to collections if at the most so I think it really depends on where you're at in a relationship to the system so but I again you know I mean then it left as an example from what for myself I had driver's license at a time when I did get a several tickets and so I approached it a completely different way you know bent in different paperwork or different motions and I mean with some success in list so I'm not so much success I know it's probably a lot of guys who have something else that they'd like to add to us I'll just mute my tank top and anybody wants to speak up on that anybody anybody Euler like Jackie said you have your we're all in a dark room touching different parts of the same creature right and we're trying to figure out what it is okay so if you look at you know like like Carl Lentz and you look at a judge and the bond rights and you look at those folks the definition to them of being outside of the system that's used to a little put it is to remove yourself from citizenship right because like I said you can look at the congressional record and even the congressional record states that US citizens are assisting trusts that are basic which Mitch which means a slave backing up the debts of the United States corporation and that's exactly what it is it's a corporation it's not a country right corporations don't have sovereignty they never have and so if you look at from that perspective you look at correcting their status and then go going back to this because we need the moment that you were born in the land in soil of the United States of America the actual country that moment you are an American state national it's only when you get the purchase they forget a few few days later with us but moving it so okay so that's one perspective and that's my personal perspective it has worked fascinatingly well and has very interesting results and I can share specific results with anybody they want to listen to it but you also have Robert I forget his last name but Robert went into a really good thing and he was explaining the exact same thing that I was explaining but he was he was giving it to you from the statutory the United States perspective again he's touching the same animal in a different part of the darkroom he's just giving it to you as evidence in the statutory code it meets Supreme Court case law sentence and actually oh go ahead and it says the exact same things that I'm telling you that an American state national is foreign to the United States corporation and so if you read from that perspective you'll see he's saying the exact same thing again I totally encourage people who we have a recording to go back to Alaska to court I think it's really fantastic what he does because he shows you he goes with all his research he shows you what they them where the cases where the references are and and it says the exact same thing I'm telling you which is you know you are if you're a United States citizen can I say something yeah go ahead Willa we all listen to Robert presentation last time and he said a lot of good things with as we said case law and stuff but he was talking about administrative corporation that is administering us right now for whatever reason but if you look at the Constitution if somebody can pull it up on the screen you can I think everybody missing word Union there and here's what I have to say since I was born in Soviet Union Soviet Union used to consist of fifteen Republic's and we the citizens we were citizens of Soviet Union not each and every Republic so when you look at your Constitution it says we people of the states of the United States perform more perfect union for the United States of America so you are all it seems to me our citizen of the Union which has lent which is a country for whatever reason your Union decided to elect corporation which has the same name as Union maybe but it's a corporation right you by saying we all citizens of each an individual state a missing very important thing which is you not citizen of each individual state you're citizen of the Union and your principle which is straw man or uppercase name or trust that this country United States of America created for you is the citizen of that corporation or has to do with statutes of that corporation you as individuals man a woman is a citizen or belonging to that Union to that because each each state is foreign to one another each of our our body is foreign to our one another and if you go with this trading with enemy act that corporation created if you start to look at it as each foreigner is an enemy to one another it's like we are all enemy to one another it should and our state like New York State is enemy to a Michigan State or New Jersey state whatever we're gonna go crazy but cannot go from that platform so we're not enemies we're not foreign we are all one Union we're country we are this United States of America but United States upper case is a corporation that manages you so you have public side and you have private side you are you have this principal who is operating in commercial public side but you at the same time is located in the private side so you have to learn how to manage that public peace yeah well so from my perspective Elena you've got on you you've gotta go back and look at the history what so when people say Constitution well which one are you talking about the organic one you didn't other what's the actual one come on token I'm choking the buzz whoever credits on the screen right now no okay I'm just giving you the idea it doesn't really matter but it's dreaming oh there's there's the organic one though it's the original one and there's the territorial one that's old Poland by the British and then there's a municipal one owned by the Vatican so the other two there's the organic is the only one that applies to living people otherwise you're simply dead working for a corporation and that's what the territorial municipal commits so you have to go back and this is what Robert said also you have to go back to the dictionaries that existed when this stuff was created well its operating by used to see our days you're not operating by the ECC remember UCC came way after contract law I'm as welcome our merchants I'm as a woman not but one principle which is in a commercial zone right yes we're not let's not confuse people let's start on the human side what our excuse me where to list out of the man side the man side what you Americans cap to burst bar birth certificates right one for the human I mean for the man and one for the trust uppercase name right absolutely so uppercase name goes to the public sides and you were private stays in your private zone what you have to do is separate yourself from the public that's what Don did by doing a certain business name generated herself from public right from from public and she's in private right but but what a while I'm saying alena hold on for the newbies here you and I are I understand what you're saying but for the newbies here got to go back in history when the country was founded your man right you were one of the people those are linked intimately together the people I would like to create the sovereignty of the state and remember state had a different definition back then originally you know the state was the body politic of man of people so what you're doing is you're fast-forwarding - well how do we operate on the UCC side and I totally agree with you I mean not you not you your principle you constantly separate yourself from your principal you are an agent to your principal yes and if you look in the business law it says the disclosed principal has certain things because if you are an agent to disclose principal you are not liable right exactly and but that's using your chess piece as it were that's what you're supposed to do by age 25 unfortunately we didn't know that parallel system exists and principle exists but they do so we know right now so right now we have to take it to consideration I believe even if you know you are completely ambiguous about your standing as or how you see it as far as being an agent for still that the system that we live in here in the United States actually they don't since they're not aware of it or even if they were aware of it they don't acknowledge it as being true because I've been I've been doing the first thing I started doing ten years ago was writing UCC 1-2 0 7 or sorry 2 0 2 0 8 I think it was before they changed it over afterwards right right so I used to I used to write that on all my tickets and you know for the majority of the time I would still have to go to court you know show that basically they want me to back out but I'm not gonna back out so they make it go all the way till trial and then I would end up winning by you know different different ways sometimes the the cop was there and I've actually seen the judge you know tell the the people that are sitting down oh okay call my name and then say that the cops are not there when I'm looking right at them you know and then the cops look at me funny like what the hell going on you know but they don't want to be embarrassed or maybe they don't want to have people know about certain things so instead they just they want to get rid of it other times you know after I sell out the ticket with the UCC I would send it back the next day or the you know day after that someone within the three day range and they would I've had them send it back unopened you know sometimes they'll send it back saying that here's your court date you need to pay the fine or you know just totally ignore whatever I was presenting them you know and I've done this for like I said about 10 years now and just recently this this ticket that I'm dealing with right now this has been the artists ticket that that I've actually fought and and yet it was the easiest because when I when I did it I was pulled over early in the morning and I let the lady knows like yeah you know you're mistaken I'm not I'm not driving I'm not operating under a license at the moment you know and then I kind of lifted at that because you know they don't want to hear it and you can tell so you know I just took the ticket and the next day I send it back saying you made a mistake you know you're an air you're causing harm to me because I am the agent for for the principal and I addressed the officer as uh by her first name you know I some call and stuff you know just so that way she's aware that I'm talking to her and not that the person she's acting is but um you know they ignored it and you know right now they're currently threatening to suspend my license what I've done is I've written letters to the clerk delivered them to the clerk at the the court that is nearest to me as well as the district attorney or the office for for the district attorney and they kind of ignored it but just the other day I completed what I think I completed my assumed name certificate so I filed it you know with Minnesota and already in the paper for two days and you know got the print out of Good Standing and I just received a letter from from I was I think it was this he was like the head administrator for a totally different courthouse because I wrote the the clerk of the court and I guess she forwarded to this to this guy and he basically said kind of like laughs it sounded like he laughed it off because he was like look we sent you this and we sent you that and and you know he's just kind of just blew me off and said if you if you like to deal with this you know you're more than welcome to go to the courthouse and deal with it on your own free time but so there's like Alina was saying she was talking about the uses besides she was talking about exactly what you just described which is taking over your principle you know you're the you're the how do you want to put it Elena you're the attorney-in-fact for the principle so you can be attorney-in-fact or you can be an agent but you're separating yourself from the principal you're separating private from the public I am right now in the process of changing some bills let's say Verizon I had internet account recently changed I called them and they said what I want them to do and they opened completely new account for me I had to go drop my old router pick up new one and I compared all the counts and the new account and my new account has table that has name an address completely eliminated so new account has no name and no address it means that they consider me as a private citizen so tomorrow I'm going to the hospital I will do the same process I will have outcomes so I will probably do talk more about it what I do and what I did and how it affected what effect it has maybe next time so I want to do a couple of slides and everything like that I don't ask other people to pull information of a screen well since you're going to the hospital I'll tell you what happened every in the hospital because I'm just gonna by way of example well oh it's playing so for me again I'm on another part of the dark room that's me the same animal trying to figure out what it is me what I did is I I declared my status is an American state national I did this quite some time ago more than a year ago and that you know I filed the judge on the gun rights process which is now available on I think it's called paper up now calm pap er u p LW calm so they have all the process there but anyway I so I did that more than a year ago when I wanted the hospital I walked in and they they presented me with a little keyboard and they said we'll put your social security in there and I said I don't have they looked at me wearing this that you don't have one what do you mean you don't have massive well not a United States citizen I've never worked for the federal government and I'm not an agent for you that state citizen by definition if you know the definition of the social security number and where it comes from that's that's what it means if you're not can I add to that a second yeah go ahead well just the fact that what you just said is it's not completely true because you can file an SS 5 as a legal alien which would mean you're not a US citizen it depends on what is it a statutory definition of alien or is an actual foreign this well you gotta think of this one it's like what Elena was saying see as a union all the all the states are foreign to each other right so environment if I'm a citizen of Michigan I would be an alien to the other 49 states of the union now because they formed under the Confederation under the Union we we are granted equal rights right one citizen a citizen of one state gets all the same rights and protections as a citizen of the other states but when it comes to business they are all foreign countries they're all alien to each other just like they are alien to the federal government and so what does that have to do with the the need for Social Security number need for social security number is because like Alana saying when you have it when you operate through a principle and you get involved in commerce then you have to have the trustee members or successor that's not what I'm this is how everything works ok that's not that's not what I'm saying at all I am NOT your ass number I'm telling you why you need your social security number no no but I'm telling you let's finish this process I did yeah so in other words well I'm just saying that the statement you made about the fact that the social security number is only for US citizens or whatever however you were that that is not correct for a federal employee no it's not so ok social so legal how could a legal alien be a federal employee well again did you get that definition well this is actually from a federal code well no because they don't define it that's part of the problem this is actually what I'm working toward the case against Social Security before that very reason because socially does not define legal alien but illegal is technically is is contractual or it is statutory right this is under private law because it's not it's not in the public it's not law of nations stuff it's not lawful like you'll notice that the Social Security number can be granted the US citizens are the permanent lawful of residents but then when you go to check down citizenship they use the word legal alien not lawful alien because those are two different things like you're saying status so so I'll give you an example because this would happen to me in the hospital also so the administrator called me up and they said you're an American national I said I'm an American state national yes and what they did is they googled what that meant and the only thing that can come up for them is the definition under the federal statutes and they read it to me what which is like Guam and all those and I said no I have nothing to do with that so by definition all I'm saying is by definition if that term is coming from their statutory their federal statutory definitions right but you also have to remember that the federal government United States operates in two capacities they can administrate and regulate US citizens because that was those are entities that they created under the Fourteenth Amendment but they're also the federal government for the Union in which they are the third-party arbitrator right that gets pulled in and for like diversity of citizenship and they also have delegated authorities under the Constitution but but Congress operates in two capacities so here's a here's the fundamental thing that you are missing and this is so fundamental the Constitution does not apply to a living men we the people created the contract the contract is between We the People and the government yes yes but we the people are the state citizens the state citizens were the people that wrote those constitutions for the state that created the state the state is then the one that created the federal government the state is sovereign to the federal government right okay yeah it's a it's nothing but a contract it's not really a contract because there's not really an exchange this is how governments and nation-states work it's not it's not a business situation because there's no exchange it yes oh my god yes there is an exchange what's the extortion you and you and a contractor recorders what true signatures right the reason for the Constitution was to get federal in other words contracted that's what federal means services from the British Empire by definition citizen is a British Empire that's just three date what is the state constitution then oh my god you just said constitutional because I really know because yeah federal okay so what is Dayton oh it's the state constitution then so you're saying the state constitution is the same thing if every constitution is the same since 1860 okay yeah because you're following all of Anna's research right that's where this is all coming from Oh we'll see nobody has contradicted if you if you can contradict Anna in any of her articles please deuce already dead that's what I'm trying to you and I don't agree Ben before wool there hey guys can I can i interject something that might kind of help the situation or not I'm just gonna interject not saying it's right wrong you know take it for what you will right okay what this article 1 section 8 Clause 17 second no no what does it say well hold on okay that's your linchpin dude that's the linchpin for both your arguments but those are actually a null and void because they're actually articles of the Confederation that's not that's what that's what the UH that's what the UH that's where they they come from they're actually articles of the Federation which are no longer he used them more because the Federation now no the article 1 section 8 Clause 17 the Constitution there is the declaration listen these are all fluid documents they all work in tandem and together right yeah yep you have the Declaration of Independence you have the Articles of Confederation and Northwest Ordinance in the Constitution okay no none of them nullified the other one okay they're all working together right and if you want the research on that you can go to Edward Rivera that guy is just phenomenal he was disbarred because he he brought this up and you know wanted to do the right thing and they disbarred him what was it sorry Eduardo Rivera he's in California he was disbarred I think after about 30-some years because he brought this into the federal court because he wanted to you know say hey I think we have a problem that nobody's looking at and of course they were like bah bah yeah now article 1 section 8 Clause 17 says the United States shall have exclusive leads now I'm paraphrasing shall have exclusive legislation over the 10 mile square and the territories and the military bases and artic art Arsenal's and any land ceded to it by the legislature of the state so what that means is what does that do to all your federal laws okay if they only have exclusive legislation remember legislation is creating law if they only have exclusive legislation over the 10 mile square and the Arsenal's military bases and territories what does that do to all their federal law it can't go in this state okay it can't it's impossible according to their their rules of course they've subvert of that we know all that well kind of hang on okay good so now even the federal courthouses if you look at them okay you could easily challenge jurisdiction to say this court doesn't even have jurisdiction to be here because this land that this courthouse is on is not ceded to the government I don't see any sales receipts I don't see any state legislation that passed that said yes we're ceding this over to the government there's no there's none of that okay so they didn't follow protocol okay um so that's that's one major linchpin now I bring this to you I started studying this stuff about ten years ago and one of the first guys I started studying was Paul Andrew Mitchell private private attorney general this man has been doing this about 40 years okay he was a where is a software engineer that AOL back from the internet first came out they screwed him they stole his his stuff right so he took him the test not only did he take him test we took him all the way to Supreme Court all right he'd beat the [ __ ] out of him and he beat the [ __ ] out of the Supreme Court judges and at the same time he proved to the that the IRS okay was working outside of the federal zone he wrote a book called the federal zone so much so that the United States actually incorporated it into their language okay so the federal zone is a real thing it's article 1 section 8 Clause 17 all right that's a big linchpin now the other thing we do is we open our mouths way too much you know we want to tell everybody we know this we know that in my experience from going into courtrooms okay having judges run off the bench having eight nine marshals come at me and back off you know I've been through this the biggest thing was not admitting to them who the hell I am ever denial denial denial burden to proofs on you you know because again they're trying to link you as the agent yes as all that but I don't even play that game because I'm a man of God okay I can't have another entity that that's against my religious beliefs does anybody care to challenge that judge and you want to see a judge cower you start bringing God in the courtroom and people going oh you can't do that well yes you can't it depends on how you're entering the courtroom now granted keep in mind I went into courtrooms as counsel for people I didn't have my own issues but they were standing on the same footing that I was okay which was we are divine spirits incarnate as man and as such there's no jurisdiction we don't agree to we notified them prior to court we went in with a jury of 12 behind us every time he went to court we brought 12 people I opened the court in their Court so I opened our court in their court and that usually really blew these guys apart because again the principle is you guys are using federal funding okay the state of is not Clark it's not North Carolina and again you know the whole thing about entering court is special appearance you know and you don't have to announce special parents actually they won't even hear that what you have to do is challenge jurisdiction from the jump from that you know how do you audio challenge jurisdiction or how do you how do you go about challenging jurisdiction because we myself I mean I believe been down the whole Robert you mind if I jump in just for a little bit and then I'll shut up and let's yeah go ahead I just wanted to offer that I could you so you got to stop me again cuz like you so on the so so on the record again again you have the United States which is one little bit small T the United States with a capital T and a bunch of other different ones so you have to know that whenever you read any constitution because Robert started with the quads that said the United States blah blah blah stablish --is you know law through Congress etc etc look at amendment look Pacifica mimic it says suits in suits at common law where the value and controversy shall exceed twenty dollars the right of a trial jury shall be preserved and no fact tried by the jury shall be otherwise re-examined by a court of the United States small th-then according to the rules of the common law right so let me read that again because it says at if we were fine if we were referring to us us being the sovereign American state national it would say in come along because we are in comfortable we are not taxable we're income ok can I add to that well I'm a done it says fact one of the courts the United States judge the law or the facts that's on the record very definition you can't judge if they're effects effects it says the United States small THC is referring to the municipal government again on by the Vatican it says the rules Oh common law this week this refers to a military common law not our version of comp law well it's not as military common logs have rules by definition that is the very definition of common law so if you know what maritime long so if you read that they're talking about themselves where can I get a cut where can I get a definition of military common law yeah well hold on I'd like I'd like to back up for a second here because the point of the different constitutions is very true right however which Constitution is always the game right no no actually actually what does the Constitution have to do with anything that has to do with court because when you go into court I mean if anybody's been in court you know that Constitution declaration independence that's all out the window well that's because you've already given jurisdiction by your appearance that's why you can only enter specially I've only have paid specially and and then you know appearance specially you're still appearing you are actually appearing you're there and you're answering up for our name and if you're not if you're an agent for the name you're you're you are you need to present something that that they have that's tangible that you're the agent for right well let's talk let's talk about this because explain to me your entry of appearance how did just and again I'm not saying a problem I just wanted to have you know what your what your process was so I can kind of analyze - okay well I've okay several different different scenarios here's one of them okay I've gotten pulled over and I've been during the this stuff have actually have been wrong in the way of cops reaching inside my car unlocking my door so and once they have their hand on your shoulder you're either you have two choices you're either resisting or or assaulting him so you know those are those are what they're gonna tell you anyway so you know even though they're in the wrong that you figure that they try and just alright let it go then instead of dragging out the court but you know they still give you a ticket anyway appearing appearing only specially to correct an error on the courts part okay hold on right there so I can ask you a couple questions so when you did that haha did you write a notice did you put in something how did you let them know you were appealing when you showed up to court no no no I put the paperwork in you know I like within three days I send I usually send one to the the officer but they're usually different when I write them I'll write one specifically for the officer not I mean not really threatening but basically threatening saying hey no if you go ahead and do this and I'm gonna I'm gonna hold you accountable personally if you're causing me harm and I've never ever gotten a response back from any of the letters to the cops themselves they're not loud they got to go through their attorney County Attorney and all that okay so again let's back up just a sec so in your notices or to the court or to the officer what was being said um you see me see if I can actually just grab one for here yeah that's cool um and I do want to offer something while you're doing that uh-huh has anybody ever said on the call that's gotten pulled over I'm sorry I cannot say anything without my attorney I can't answer any questions I cannot speak to you without an attorney I think that's fabulous or you don't even have to say attorney you say counsel because that's in the wall too and that's a better word views obviously because all of us heavens slight towards a attorneys but okay the reason I say that is because we all dog turns right but a lot of these guys do have some tricks of the trade okay and one those is that now I've used this in several circumstances and I've had friends use it okay you're talking to a cop that has a very low IQ the only thing that cop knows is attorney right that's a buzz word for old [ __ ] I don't know what I'm doing I better hold on this guy's talking attorney okay so I'm not saying anybody's wrong for doing what they're doing or shouldn't do it I'm just offering that piece of information that was given to me by a very prominent attorney that got people off all kinds of [ __ ] all the time and he said never say a word say I do not have my attorney and I cannot speak and leave it at that and I'm like okay and you know what so far he's been right I even had a friend that was so drunk it ruined our friendship she took my son and of course she tried to get my son the cars she was wasted and the police came to her okay drunky [ __ ] and the cop do is we're gonna go you know we'll probably take her down the station bah bah bah bah bah and he goes in the house this woman is like hammered but she remembered what I told her and the cop kept saying you know ma'am I need you to you know what was this but you know he's questioned her she kept saying I'm sorry I can't say anything without her sorry I can't say anything without an attorney so so about a half an hour later this cop comes out and he's pissed he's like she keeps saying she can't talk [ __ ] I've have an attorney we'll see about that you know and I'm laughing myself right like well I gotta watch this so he gets on the phone with his superior he's over there and I hear him and it's like 15 minutes goes by he finally hangs up he comes over good job we've determined she's okay she doesn't seem to be intoxicated she seemed to cohere now this woman was trashed okay this is not even a question she seems to be coherent so we're just gonna go ahead and leave for the night she should be all right by the morning okay so anyway that's just a little bit of experience that I've had using that that tactic now again people say well that doesn't matter they're gonna drag you how the carnby a B so but at least you've already reserved your right anyway I interject for two seconds on that on that I got pulled over one time and I had started my audio video recorder and there you know I was on my way to a festival I actually was on a house I was on house to rest already it with an ankle bracelet and so I had gotten permission to go to this festival to go work at a festival and I was heading to this festival and they pulled me over for a brake light that was out that you know the third brake light that you really don't need all right so they pulled me over for that somehow going out so he pulls me over says he's gone to this festival I said yeah I'm going to work security you know he had no idea of my being on this ankle bracelet or anything this was a few years back and he says um he says I'm alright well license and registration now at this point I had not done what Michael would Roberts saying I didn't immediately say in fact I had a license at that time I had I had signed it what you know without prejudice you CC 1-3 wait and I don't give a [ __ ] about that that's that's nothing to do with the story but just as a side note so I give him the license and he goes so you got any drugs in the car and of course that's like the question they always ask me so I said no I don't he goes you mind if I I searched I said of course I do in fact at this point if you want if you want to ask me any more questions you need to know me I need my lawyer present and so he goes well whatever he goes I got we got dogs two seconds away well I'll be right back so he comes back brings another cop there with the dog fast fast forward they both shipped me they they act like there's drugs in the car they get me out of the car of course I'm fine anything at this point I'm already on house arrest and I got an arrested for marijuana at this point I had like nothing on me it was a brand new car that I've never owned before there's nothing in it again sorry long story short I had my recorder going in the and they had me outside of the car and they're digging through every part of my car and as they're digging through it the one cop says to the other cop first he says we're missing it it's here somewhere and then the other cop says to him he goes you think so and he goes yeah yeah yeah here somewhere and then the other cop says to him the part that I was really trying to get to he says you know he says interesting he says he asked for his lawyer and he still gave you his license and I just I mean and maybe that means nothing to you guys but to me the way that he said it made me think just as Robert Michael is saying you have every right when you get pulled over from the get-go the second that they start to interact with you to say I don't answer questions and I'm not going to answer any questions without my lawyer present and yeah look it took me at the school of hard knocks to realize I open my mouth too much all they're doing is taking my story and turning it into a charge that's it words right out of my mouth now same incident where the woman was drunk okay the cop questioned me which is fine because at that point I'm like yeah you could take her to jail because she put my son in danger yeah we're on a whole different level you know so anyway a week a for a few days after that incident Child Protective Services calls me okay and the woman leaves me a message so I don't bother calling her back like [ __ ] nothing to do it this I'm not selling my friend that far down the river because that's just a nightmare that's not cool you know I told her what cop did she deserves it for what she was doing to her own daughter put her in danger anyways in another part of story sued CPS calls so I don't I don't bother a week later I get a call from the same woman now the woman says you're avoiding my call you need to call me back I'm like oh we're gonna play that game okay I'll call her back so called her back okay she starts into this whole thing well you know what kind of parent are you leaving your son with a woman who's drinking and and getting in the car which is hilarious to me because I'm thinking my son's the one that said no you're staying with me to her son and had the wherewithal and the knowledge from me to stay put and not get in the car with her so what kind of [ __ ] bad parent are you talking about you know but I wasn't gonna argue it so anyway she goes on and on with their whole spiel I said look my son's my property and there's a lien on that so I don't know what to tell you and she's like what your song's property who calls her son Crawford and she goes to this whole thing right so I said ma'am let me ask you just a very simple question I said who are you talking to and she's like is she good she didn't know what to say I said what's my name do you know my name do you even know my name and she goes up hold please she puts me on hold alright so she comes back like a minute later you know that's a long time so this woman do it minute and a half later she comes at me what does she do she reads me everything that officer beanbag told her okay everything but everything she read back to me with my words and I was like damn there it is again trying to use my words against me and all I said to her was I'm sorry ma'am none of that's true yeah and she hung up on and I never heard another word for her again never heard another word cuz I did not you know I deny your claim I don't care what you say but yes using that tactic it that's think about it guys these guys are morons you know they're scared of the law because they don't really know it so if you bring attorney and all the sudden anything oh that's good an attorney's gonna get involved okay well let's let's tread lightly you know and I'm not saying that a cop's not gonna be stupid and still you know do some [ __ ] he shouldn't be doing and injure you but you're much better off keeping your mouth shut you don't need to prove to these knuckleheads that you know the law and they don't that's you a problem right you actually you actually can't you can't do that because you don't know reminding them what and they're not gonna take they're gonna be offended by that however when you when you are when you try and what I've found is when you try to to talk about a lawyer or anything I mean up sir they're not stupid and and what they do is they like to say things in order so if you're gonna stay quiet that makes you say something like I'm not to make you say something but you're not saying anything tell them okay this is happening like saying oh you're not gonna talk oh okay so I so you don't mind then if we tow your car then because you're obviously not cooperating with this and and I say I'm sorry sir I can't answer that remember next so we're just gonna say I'm sorry can't answer well we're gonna have that we're gonna have to ask you to move your car over because this is a we are blocking you know we're blocking a blocking traffic or you know we're not in a safe area sorry sir I can't do that without the advice I'm like I'm sorry sir I don't I don't know the law and I can't really move without can't do a tit sorry see well where's your you can see but right there right there what just happened is they just told you a reason for Public Safety that means that you need to move your vehicle no I don't because I am not first off there's no emergency here what's the crime that ceremonies well you just created an emergency because now now you guys are if they purposely block traffic in order for them to create a hazard so to protect the public they could do whatever they need to do well again there's other ways to handle it right I'm sure but I'm just saying you know it's you know it's it's not um it's not so cut and dry you know the it's no it's not it never is with any situation you know that every such but you're much better off starting off on that foot and keeping your mouth shut and anything it really are a Robert gimmick that's the question sure so with you if you were to boil this down would it be either they have a civil case or a criminal case and if they have a civil case they must have a contract and if they have a criminal case then that you must have a man party I ninja party shirt so I any of that it's neither they don't write they don't have either yeah they don't have either so oh yeah absolutely but I'm not gonna give that Officer knucklehead casino [ __ ] no no trust me I one of my ex-girlfriends was a state trooper for many years and you know I'll girlfriend for a reason because well they pick it anyway I wanted I wanted to get back to UM I'm sorry I didn't get your name the other gentleman was talked about his appearance and on and Ruben oh go ahead I'm sorry okay so I have I have numerous numerous uh within different cases here the not the most recent but the most easily accessible I guess here is this one I wrote it up myself it says plaintiff in there versus my name and all caps and then I have misnomer aggrieved defendant because I'm not a real defendant I was a kind of an alleged offender aggrieved like meaning in error and I'm not supposed to be a defendant because I didn't want to give that to them and also with this notice I also filed an acceptance of the Constitution's an oath of office because in order for them to operate under the oath of office you actually have to accept it but it's an offer so their offer it's doesn't know it doesn't pertain to it right but actually I guess what I'm getting at is what in your notice was specific about challenging the territorial jurisdiction of the court I'm getting there I'm getting there okay so and you don't even really have to tell me as long as it's in there right right right well I mean just just to you know to give that to give them a heads up on what you're doing or what your wider there so I along with the the acceptance of his oath of office I filed okay I filed these appearance and I hereby appear and only specially to demand a withdraw from previously filed case reference to notice to appear citation number blah blah blah due to coercion of defendant to enter to enter into a contract which is void okay hold on here's have have you read the have you read appearance in American jurisprudence no I appear insane the Uniform Commercial Code because it since everything is commercial everything falls underneath the Pope before well I understand that remember this is our knowledge okay but uh huh never ever and I was told this years ago and I learned the hard way never ever discount the other side's view and how they operate or whatever size there is no other site well there is another side it's the other side the party that's coming out it's the legal system that's the other side you don't belong to the legal system right that's what we're saying here none of us belong to the legal system the legal system with the attorneys and how they have it set up functions in a very specific way and yet yeah they all if it follow sir not real well right but it is real but in real that is neither good and you know remember de facto doesn't mean it's not real okay gross means it's not the lawful one but it's still real okay well I mean hold on I don't want to get her a tooth I yeah I wouldn't definitely I would definitely agree with that that the tobaccos operation of law not like executional wow that's like the sharia facto if you read and and you really should read the law encyclopedias corpus juris secundum and american jurisprudence and look at the cases that they cite okay because every sentence in there comes from usually a court case alright and if you look at that court case it gives you a better perspective of how they're viewing this okay so the special appearance what you did in in that last one you went right into controversy I'm here to demand on this event you have to say this Court has no jurisdiction based on Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam thank you have a nice day because the minute you get into the controversy you appeared generally that's what it is an American jurisprudence and they're right because every time I've seen it exactly what happens and every time I've done it it happens I got this well I got this I got this case that's good I'm not saying that you won't get it dismissed or that you can't get into the controversy but in terms of going in specially you know remember that is only the only time and and you don't put in a motion to appear specially right because it says in the in the ball box that they don't recognize that it's just the fact that you challenge jurisdiction from the jump and that's it there's no other argument there's no you know getting into the controversy so that that's how you appear specially the proper way if that makes sense well I mean you had to understand how how they mean how they obtained jurisdiction and they obtained it by this notice that's why I attack the notice because the notice was not valid on its face which means that would kill the jurisdiction really no but you're making a legal determination that they're arguing you're arguing the jurors you're jumping in the contours you're jumping yeah you're something he has enyone matter jurisdiction because it's not subject matter jurisdiction you okay its territorial and and personal jurisdiction I'm sorry for interrupting but the only American jurisprudence says the only thing you go in the court doing to challenge your art let's see basically on a special appearance it's to go in and to challenge the jurisdiction of the court of your person period yes and that's all you can and as Robert Michaels been saying you can't argue anything else you have to stick to in this diction of your person because as soon as you start arguing anything else you then have to just naturally give jurisdiction of the court to make an operation over what your argument well it's a lot of libraries a lot of jurisdiction works by operation of a law domicile as well okay well that's it exactly which is large which is domicile a person which is again jurisdiction over person if they are not they don't have jurisdiction over the domicile so that's a jurisdictional person right because you're in a domicile that they don't have jurisdiction of what they own so that's another point to back up most yeah but most of the people that's from my research at least I know this is what I'm still working to prove so again this is my opinion or my understanding is that the Social Security that would be your person that's your legal person your principal agent and the citizenship on there is your legal domicile so when you check off u.s. citizen you're essentially claiming a federal domicile well sure but who does have what every records I checked you everyone checks US citizen ss5 right yes maybe first off I don't even know what an SSN who's got who's got identification of me here who's got identification all right yeah so you're still working usually you're still trying to work at the system from outside the system instead of just making our correct record within this no I'm not no no there's no look here's the deal okay here's how I operate and it's worked every time okay I made my own records public records public notice notified the parties put it in the newspaper now have you ever read the doctrine of what the hell is it called the doctrine of evidence law well truth it's not superior evidence I forget what they call it okay