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good morning your honor please the court harvey supple on behalf of miss Sanchez your honors there's one issue before you this morning and that is where the state fails to prove that the signature on a power of attorney is forged where it fails to prove that whether the instrument is notarized or it isn't whether it's presented or it's not whether it's honored or it's not the question is whether the state fails to prove that the signature on the power of attorney is George can the defendant be convicted of uttering a forged instrument and by the way there's a secondary part to that and that is if the state fails to prove that they dot that the document was Ford is there a presumption that the document accurately reflects the bondholder in this case his desire to transfer the money and if that's the case then theft conviction would fall we believe that there was no evidence no evidence whatsoever showing that this signature on the power of attorney and again the question is the signature it's not the notarization it's the signature since there is no evidence to show do we only concentrate on the signature don't we also look at the at the power of attorney itself to determine whether or not it was an authentic document regardless of the signature no why not because the notarization the process creates a presumption that the notary signed the document that's all it does and it allows the the person who has the notarization the the power of attorney to go forward takes the purpose of the notarization is that the individual who's signing the document is supposed to execute it in front of the notary and the notary then says I'm attesting that Judge Rothenberg signed this in front of me the individual is judge rothenberg and I've looked at her ID and that is her I understand that that's why I said the notary notarization process is very important if someone wants to present a legally enforceable document the question is suppose in this hasn't been presents the notary at all all you have is a document with a signature on it now the question is because it hasn't been presented of the notary is that doc is the signature on that document authentic or is it they they're really separate earning without a notary on it means nothing no one is except that I understand it it may mean nothing as to the enforceability of what's on there it doesn't have anything to do with whether the signature is correct and that's a client your client presented to the bank a document which she knew to be an unauthorized unauthentic dhak dhak markers who knew that the power of attorney that she was presenting to the bank was fraudulent because it had be this the signature that they presented the the person mr. Chrysler who was supposed to be granting power of attorney...