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hello everyone good afternoon welcome to the webinar how to integrate gender in project development we are going to wait a couple of minutes more and one or two minutes before we start also remaining colleagues can join us it speaks on thank you hello food for those of you who just joined us we are just waiting one minute more and then we will start with the webinar thank you so hello again good afternoon everyone welcome to the webinar how to integrate gender in project development this webinar is a joint collaboration between the economy division and also the gender in safeguards unit and today in the next hour we will present and discuss strategies to include gender analysis in projects and specifically how to do so in the context of you an environment program we are recording this webinar so we can share with you and with other later and we would like to ask you to please hold questions until after the presentation or you can also of course write them the chat box throughout the presentation my name is Fernanda I work at the conception for the production unit and economic division and with me today present in this webinar we also have retrieve she's program management officer in the consumption production unit she's based in Paris and the treat is also the gender coordinator for the economy division and we also have a remote branch who is program management officer on gender in the general safeguards unit and he's based in Nairobi this is the outline of today's webinar so Raymond will start us off by presenting important definitions and some relevant terms that we usually find when we talk about integrating gender in project development and Raymond will also present basically what this topic entails with in unit and also some available approaches to mainstream gender in the project after that between the trees will done and present this topic under the SDGs and also some insights on the currency pact of copied 19 on women after that to present an agenda and environment support kit which is available to everyone that works at the UN Environment Programme and at the end we'll walk you through some short examples from how to integrate gender in projects a new resource efficiency and also in climate change and will of course give you the flow and so that you can ask your questions okay so now Raymond please on the floor is yours Thank You Fernanda and welcome everybody my name is Raymond groundlessness another said I'm tasting my lovely safe bassinet today I want you to over a few definitions and what it means working and programming don't worry have the presentation later so go do it finally after those two months time so that we can spend more time on show you the practical examples first of all what is general just to make sure that was understandable to agenda science general refers to the social action picture opportunities associated with the relationship between voice both societies there are differences qualities we women and responsibilities activities and control resources and seasoning and all these things are built by society so they can also be changed that's where our angle is to change that's different from sex there are a lot of characteristics like Raymond can you hear me yes I can if it is one yes okay this one right yes okay yes when we talk about integrated gender in programming and policy development we're talking about mainstream agenda which is the strategy obey to the concerns and experiences of women as well as an integral part of the design implementation remedy and policies and programs in all different spheres where women play a role and where women and men should benefit equally perfectly the ultimate goal of this place with history gender equality sometimes we need to if a permit of action to one of the other make sure that the inequality that has grown over time is going to be balanced out this approach is chosen by the United Nations system since the Beijing slide so what we do in preparation of program development is applying a gender analysis while you're doing your general context analysis you're just making context analysis relevant for gender in this assessment how and why gender differences and equalities are relevant for the specific environmental projects that we're developing it's a first step in the gender mainstreaming strategy includes electing and using sex dissipated data free money Han who else a voice in terms of their roles and responsibilities with their environment and especially in relation to the environment project that you envision you can have relation to provisions of neighbor access to resources and the social status gender mainstreaming cannot occur without having a proper gender analysis of place because that is the basis for developing your activities Spanish so what is then sex disaggregated data it refers to the data that we collected broken down by success mostly that is being used at some times age has also been created so that also boys girls this allows for measurements of differences between those categories various dimensions slightly so how do we well related to gender analysis it's simply a few questions that we need to address Buddhist what does often there's a labor division when are they doing it because timing is very important for the activities that you're developing women and men can have different calendars on throughout the day so you have to take that into consideration when you plan to work where does something take place men and women can work different places who has won because ownership is very important and especially agriculture length is a very important resource over tip of that also tells you you can control it that relates also to the next question he decides and how is being decided because of the three are called societies were mailed preferences those are usually one in deciding positions change dance on that who gains and Google News from the parents a status but also when you're gonna do an activity we wanna see what you effectively want to achieve but also to see the things that you might encounter while you're doing it unattended how do we gather this information involve again with that directly with the beneficiary or the target that we work with to interview them on two different questionnaires and surveys collect primary data or we can meet there - Jerry boards and check statistics of data that are already available but it's important for gender action genre films is that when you develop the activities that you look at involve participation or weak presentation that you consider the gendered needs that I'll explain those to acknowledge these practical strategic needs the next slide so you then also want to make sure that your approaches and results gender responsive when you're developing your results you wanna look at it from a general segregated point of view or that the indicators the targets can be quantitative it can be a number of men and women participate in the training but it could also be a qualitative one when you have a general environmental policy but you states that you want to make sure that those are gender responsive lastly what is often forgotten is to make sure that their separate budget for agenda activities in general budget next slide please so coming back to these few terminologies that I just used the practical needs accommodative approaches or loves women practical needs are very different from those of men and that comes from be productive productive roles they pay because they have different roles there's an approach called gender / accommodating approach which recognizes this sort of practical needs that they have then you can turn to that and address those without challenging the power relation of the suit subordinate position of women and since you'll often then work with only women is referred to as women's how in women's empowerment we should not forget to work with men as well or to at least one device you may end up taking for instance violence against women either forward let's light this so what are then the strategic needs the transformative approaches is also related to them the TT needs arise from this difference of power relation when women have subordinate position because they have different positions in society especially in strong panzerotto societies inequality between them bigger like that the broaches did that then are necessary we are referred to as transformative gendered transform communities because they're challenged the data of this gendered power relation Beechworth transformation of gender invasion labor this would be two examples of access to resources bank credit so that balance between something changed at the same time this has to do very much with existing gender relations that changed as a certainly beginning agenda is a it's a concept that has been established by societal interactions so we could also change that what impact all relationships created for some socially very environment so some in the previous slide think of a practical need when women used to collect water and the collection points both closer to the homes so that it takes less time but in the strategic needs transformative approach to think about that men also black water so that women can spend their time also on that so what does it entail here until then we are doing program and policy development and in the processes within unit we have food processors that are the first process is about reviewing concepts when they are submitted to the concept video we ask the gender and social saved are also looking at gender perspective and we have a very neat moment of them sending back so then by all they are developing proposal they can take out romance situation along that journey we came together Bella the gender related on the loser Raja then when the full proposal has been developed it's being submitted to where we forge an assessment of the project document the so called gender bar format in that we are looking at how gender has been stripped before next day she parks results part and a bunch of our now this all leads to a gender analysis and a gender action fair and we're very happy that many of you already do that but what we would propose also is to make sure that the context analysis from gender perspective as well as are being developed to the gender and being mainstream the overall parts so that it's brilliant intubated part neck slightly that's where I had over this Thank You Raymond can you hear me well yes okay thank you very much thank you very much for your presentation and for introducing the topic I think that you cover most of the essential aspects of our conversation here today I would just like to add to the point of what in this entail in UNIP also the part of the publications that we try to make sure that all publications that we issue at noon apt they do have an I'd like an approach towards gender that is that this doesn't go unperceived in the publication so we as gender coordinators and gender focal points we revise all publications that that we are issuing in a in a in a period to make sure that we try as much as possible to integrate gender aspects into our publications and all this work we do in inter in contributing to the achievement of course of the new agenda for sustainable development and the sustainable development goes not only to SD g5 which goes about gender equality but also to a number of targets that are spread across all of these 17 and goals of the STDs for example in go 12 we have a target that expresses explicitly mentions the creation of full employment to both women and men we equally so it's the gender is actually mainstreamed within many of the of the u17s DG's and not it's not only kept under SD g5 next slide please as in this current situation I could not refrain from mentioning the current situation and the challenges brought by Cobie 19 which are disproportionately affecting girls and women around the globe so there will be aggravated impacts of Cobie 19 for women already living on the economic margins and also violence against women and girls and particularly domestic violence has intensified this we already have data showing that the cases of domestic violence increased in many countries including in in France so we have in France the reports of domestic violence has increased 13% since since the last data in March 17 17th of March 2020 also in in Cyprus and Singapore we have registered an increase in calls of 30 percent and 33 percent respectively in Argentina emergency calls for domestic violence case have increased 25% percent since the lockdown so and just just to mention a few and also in terms of the work burden we know that women spend three times as many hours as men in unpaid care and domestic world limiting their access to to decent work and this was even increased during the the pandemic and the confinement the next slide please but not only that not only the decades of domestic violence but also the exposure and the risk of exposure to cope in nineteen due to the presence of of women in the workforce related to the healthcare sector it's also worth and mention mentioning in this case so these are some of the key points that you nap included in their response to Tuco vite 19 and the gender impacts so the relationship between nature poverty and human health has contributed to the spread of cope in nineteen and this has shaped power relations at household level including leading to domestic violence as as shown due to lower economic activity women tend to lose jobs more especially when it comes to the informal sector which is largely occupied by women and the exposure to medical waste and as the majority of informal waste collectors are women those are also some of the the unbalanced consequences of this when they're making to women the next slide please so these unit came up with some examples of responses from these challenges so protecting female environmental defenders during in after the crisis continue collecting sex disaggregated data and inclusion of gender analytical data to support the delivery of policy responses so when we are revising your your projects now to to address the sometimes the delays or the change in activities that will be due to the confinement and the kovat please take into consideration including our gender dimension to it also integrate gender equality perspectives into work on climate change climate and security chemicals and waste management for example developed gender this responsive methodologies tools and policies for a better understanding of the human and environmental environment health and waste linkages enhancing proactive in sound conservation practices ecosystem management a consistent restoration and sustainable use of Natural Resources and biodiversity and to support the work of the secretaries and unit administered multimode lateral environmental agreements so those are some of the responses that you have included in the in the paper we we we launched couple of weeks ago about decoded responses next slide please but the main focus of these of my presentation today would be to talk to you about the UNEP gender environment support kit that was produced and launched in 2018 and it which aims to help colleagues understand the relevance of gender in their respective work streams and to provide a clear entry points to include the gender dimension in project and program management the next slide please so as Raymond already said we have different stages where or different entry points where we can bring the gender dimension so first in the contact situation analysis so to describe the Rose as mentioned as Raymond said so who does what and so this is very important when you were may describe in the context in which your project should be applied to or should operate you and take into consideration the different gender roles to analyze the gender gap in the project situation but also in the for example when you are analyzing and policies the gender gap in the policy that is related to your work stream in into in the concrete case to address the availability of sexist aggregated data at country level but also in in the more specific context so for example you sometimes you need sex desegregated data at local level in in a specific city or or maybe at community level so this all can be taken into consideration in the end the situation analysis if you have a specific policies addressing and gender and also when you're doing the stakeholder analysis to take into consideration the distribution of the of the stakeholders who we are working with and how this will how the gender roles and will play differently depending on the stakeholder groups that you were included and then the next box please the second entry point would be the [Music] sorry about that I just miss here the designing when designing activities and outcomes so 20 under action plain so you have to describe and take into consideration how you will engage women in your union project if if it's if you're going to have different strategies to to engage women if there is need or maybe sometimes we don't have we don't need to have different strategies to engage women stakeholders but then this to take this into consideration when doing York Action Plan to consider also the team composition so who are you we who will be part of your team if you're hiring consultants who you're hiring if you're hiring if you're having SFA's with external partners so who will be working in those in those projects also a take a gender dimension into consideration in the team composition is the gendered perspective in perspective included so this we already talk when you're designing activities so you it may be you have to have activities that take place I don't know in the evening so that women can leave home and go or in some context you cannot have meetings in the evening because then women are not as free to go out in the evening so you have to actually adapt your activities to be sure that you are able to engage women in in the in your project activities also to include a gender knowledge here we are talking not only about data and also specific policies but also that you take into consideration are gender responsive language and gender in your when you're doing your activities and also be inclusive in your communication you have to make sure that you use a gender-neutral and also gender response gender-responsive language when you were communicating about your project in your gender action plan the next slide please and lastly and somehow sometimes more importantly remember to include when you have activities remember when planet planning of gender related activities remember to include them in the budget if gender activities are not covered in the budget they risk being excluded in project implementation so if you say that you will collect sex disaggregated data make sure that you put an amount there that is to cover this this this collection of data if you are saying that you will have a component that will take into consideration gender when assessing and national policies to see if there is a gap in gender so make sure that you have a line that says like assessment of gender gaps in policy in in in in national policies so make sure that you designate your budget as much as possible to be able to cover these activities and also hire a gender expert to support analysis assessment and workshops so make sure that when you hire for example when you hire a consultant to to to do a report that you include there that that she or him he has to they have to have knowledge on gender and they have to take gender into consideration when writing when developed drafting your report and also allocate specific budget to gender sensitive communications outreach also this is key to make sure that you will that you will that you will be able to implement those activities at the end next slide please and here is where I hand over to Fernanda who is going to bring some some concrete more concrete examples on how to integrate gender in project development again this all comes from the general environment support kit which is available at we collaborate I believe in and I think in our website but definitely in we collaborate so Fernanda before is yours thank you very much batteries and yes as batteries just mentioned the idea here is that we could make it even more practical for you so we want to share some examples on how to do that I mean how to incorporate gender for a specific content areas in the parts you of the kids as you can see in this image here you can find information on each of the seven priority areas of unit each of the sessions the document actually discusses why gender is relevant some important thing three points and also examples of relevant projects in each of these areas but in the interest of time we are going to present two of them today only so climate change and resource efficiency and I'm going to start with resource efficiency so we all actually know that gender is a critical component that we have to consider when we are formulating projects related to resource efficiency so for instance when promoting sustainable consumption production which is included in this priority area and we have to consider for example the different needs of women and men as consumers and then to provide the context analysis of the project here on this slide you can see some entry points that we could all take so for instance we could analyze the role of women in in the green economy including general labor markets and also we could consider barriers and opportunities for women and men we could also have a better understanding of the consumption behaviors of men and women including the influence that women and men have in the family context and of course these depends on the cultural context as also Patriots mentioned before and we could also develop this understanding through gender specific surveys and data available for the planning and implementation phase of project I'm here some examples so we can find some Sree stakeholders awareness of the gender and social impacts of I mean general policies on force resource efficiency we can also promote women's participation in policy development and also decision-making processes for resources management again support social protection laws for women and also guarantees depending on the country we are working on I mean in which depending on the country where the project is implemented and also ensuring equal opportunities for women and men and to participate in the green economy so these are potential examples of how this could be incorporated in planning and implementation of projects we should also include specific gender components in the outcomes in outputs and activities of our projects proposal so for instance here in terms of activities we can conduct change analysis include gender perspectives in trainings consult groups of men and women and also include perspectives of men and women in communications and also in all types of outreach efforts in terms of outputs increase the knowledge of the gender impacts of projects among consumers and stakeholders is one of the possibilities and also one example of outcomes would be that resource efficiency projects are then gender responsive these are two examples from projects on resource efficiency which successfully incorporated gender aspects so here we can see the first one which is delivering the transition to energy-efficient lighting in Pakistan so essentially the project document includes the terms of reference for the proposed national gender Makena specialist and the duties and responsibilities of these specialists would be essentially to mainstream gender concerns or gender aspect in all phases of the project lifecycle and analogies actually that without agenda consultant in this type of project the project could actually risk enforcing or even exacerbating existing inequalities in the country so that's why in this case it was very important to bring these specialists and also another example comes from UN Environment Finance Initiative the unified so in 2017 they launched a strategy no social issues for 2017 until 2020 and actually they included the financial inclusion and more specifically gender inclusion as part of a wider field of enhancing access to finance so they take the admission and the gender inclusion explicitly in this strategy so now moving on to climate change as we know again women and men are very much likely to be affect in different ways by the impacts of climate change and disease due to gender inequality then of course how this relates you I mean a general economic political or social opportunities and these again are just examples on how to provide the context analysis and projects proposal so for instance we can analyze general gender gaps in power relations so for example access to land access to education or how former labor markets in the countries or in the localities where the project is implemented how these take place and we could ask of course whether there are any national climate change-related policies that are gender sensitive and how gender quality policies includes climate change conservation so whether they include climate change considerations so here for example we can have a look at the indices the national determined contributions or the national deputation program of actions the numbers and also Dynamis so we can have a look at these documents within the countries that we are working on to see whether gender is mentioned or not and finally gender gaps in climate change-related area so for instance energy access access to various natural resources or ecosystem services in general and also for example environmental political participation whether women have access to these type of stakeholder engagement in the country so these are essentially entry points that we could work on this topic of climate change and trying to mainstream gender here for planning and implementation so we can consider a specific gender components and outcomes in outputs and activities so here are just listing some examples I'll not go through all of them because we all have access to all the presentation but just giving examples in terms of how to include specific general components and activities we can conduct and assessments trainings that include gender perspectives of climate change and also consultations with both women and men in terms of outputs some here's some examples of sentences example likelihood improvement plans based on our banco systems in gender roles developed and implemented within poor human communities and also specific gender component outcomes so there are some indicators that we could use to track that sofa I start the person increase in women's access to energy and renewable energy asset ownership or the number of women who received skills development training in energy in Turners interpreter ship so here are two examples again on how these is being done successfully by other projects so the first one the gender sensitive national depth ation plan so essentially they organized a workshop in Colombo in Sri Lanka for the national depression plans global support program and then UN environmental Pacific included gender gender perspectives in the overall presentations and also in the group discussions and actually what happened it was that they perfect the participant expressed a strong interest in these issues and even the member states requested to support to further support to increase the traditional capacities for gender in the adaptation planning and the second example is related to the women entrepreneurship for sustainable energy program which is a joint program by UN Environment Programme and UN Women and the objective of this project is essentially to increase women's access to sustainable energy and also empower these women and to be agents of change in the field of sustainable energy in some countries both in Africa and also in Asia so finally they did their last lines these are resources available the topic in addition to the documents which we based our presentation on which are essentially the first two documents here we also included further guidance on this topic that are provided by the Jeff and also the Green Climate Fund because we thought this could be of your interest in when you are presenting I mean project proposals and I think that's all from mouth outside now and of course we are happy to hear from you if you have any questions you want to if you prefer to include on the chat please feel free to do so thank you okay I've let me just check apparently we have some questions here okay so Eloise just asked what is the difference between described roles and stakeholder analysis would your batteries or Raymond's would like to have such relief in that question she's asking about the difference between describing roles and also conducting a stakeholder analysis I think that the way it is in the presentation it might create a bit of confusion because a stakeholder analysis is one section of the project document and plate so this is when you are addressing these when you're addressing T's this part of the template then you should include the general perspective there and I think that describing the roles is when you're doing the analysis but of course that you can describe the role when you are doing the stakeholder analysis in both in both places I think it was just it's just the way because the presentation was has two parts one it is more based on the on the on the toolkit itself which is the second part and the first part is based is the general concepts and all these things that Raymond presented so I think that it's phrases stakeholder analysis because it's following the the rationale in the project document template okay perfect thank you better ease and I'm now gonna read the comment and the question put forward by Denis Easton Valentin so she says you night project documents are more like umbrella projects and I feel like there's a gap between the gender nine is happening that level to the actual implementation of projects so as I said phase in PC AIDS so the question is now they're been a min discussion within unit on developing specific policies for example mainstreaming agenda into diligence processes and procurement by adding adding gender sensitive criteria for selection of vendors complimenting partners and mainstreaming gender and final reporting by implementing partners etc would any batteries or remand um add to that whether there are discussions within unit on developing specific policies and summations and examples for example a due diligence processes and procurement yeah one is that gender policy and strategy but also we have general policies which have gender perspectives like how do you put somebody how do you prevent those health elements I would like to believe that we integrated okay great thank you very much around no I was just to mention exactly that we have a policy that is being now revised as you mentioned but also we had a pledge made by our former executive director on gender equality that is and we were collecting data but this was also until 2019 so a new pledge should be I don't know discussed or made soon and we are now in between in between policies and in practice okay great thank you so sudhi Shama also include a comment sharing a challenge so he says there are two talents one countries don't have analysis on gender and mostly Jeff projects have been limited resources to develop project so any detailed analysis is difficult and then the question is how to address that and also second in Jeff projects our country owned project a lot of that activities have to be agreed by the country stakeholders and dd-did in many countries not easy so how does one addressed is so it is really specifically to how we can relate to Jeff project proposals either remove the batteries would have experience and what do we don't share on that yes the statistic one of the options is to look at a bring countries or regional data that is available which could be accepted to the countries the other alternative is if there's not resources available before starting and budget is assessment at start of appropriate to the ability projects project budget got a question was national ownership as many activities that were involved in that those for gender as well implementation and getting equipment with governments or other partners is not always easy but it doesn't mean we should not do it and I think was very much a gender champion it is almost mandatory for us to make sure that he integrates gender that we made let's understand the importance of it and that we really give it a try move into our partners gender mainstreaming also what might be helpful is to relate to the fact that many countries have signed up for gender policy strategies Prevention's etc so well maybe in your direct partners may not be so open to discuss it at the highest level of those countries they make matches that they will move beyond the mainstream so we just have to make sure that the bottom two at out doing so they chest anything to add to them not much just to just who to highlight that sometimes even if the the there is not much agreement it's important that we would be the ones bringing the subject to the table you know and of course presenting some ideas or some suggestions on how to incorporate and how to move forward with this dimension okay great thank you very much Raymond Beatrice and just how are we mark actually still from surgery that actually the Pakistan Lightning project that I presented I mentioned that this is a project this is a Jeff and CCM project so thank you very much for making this remark so Jim so we have some other questions here I'm just trying to pick up some and then of course if we don't have time to deal with all the questions now during this webinar we can of course make sure we reach out you to any of you with for the responses or guidance okay so we have a question from Osman Tariq there's a lot of focus on having the gender issues or perspectives in the project development phase what about during and after the project is conducted how do we continue to engage the partners in thinking about gender issues throughout and after the project is done and are there any consequences of countries which do not follow our guidance thank you for the question Osman so it's basically a question about an implementation and the final phase of the project after this is conducted Thank You Ramon well I think what has come out of our presentation is that it's important to make sure that you have very specific activities and outputs develop as well as assigned the proper human and financial resources to it so that they actually can happen but we often see is that we preserve not assigning budget specifically to those activities is that they are them temporary or when dictators have been gender sensitive enough so that if it says policy needs to be developed it can be ticked but it was responsive they have to meet that criteria to boil so it's very important to be very detailed in what you want to achieve that your side budget and resources to carry it out now after the project that is for difficult of course but by mainstream agenda and by taking our partners at the hands go to it we are also hopeful that while they're experiencing how important and how beneficial integration of gender is in the projects that they will continue doing so after the project yes okay great women want to add that when we are doing the evaluation of the projects after they conclude we are more and more taking to consideration if gender aspects were considered and how they were considered and implemented so this is a this is also something that you should pay attention when designing and implementing your project that this has been more and more taking two most duration in at the evaluation phase now you're becoming more and more important for some donors some donors are specifically now requesting activities and outputs related to gender to gender so for example international climate initiative also the the European Commission they are more and more asking for as I mentioned to be included in projects that are funded by them excellent thank you very much Raymond and good trees again I think we may have time for one more question so let's see how we go about that I will just pick one here so okay so from Tanya dark red yes if the project doesn't have enough budget for projects and especially is for the full period of the project what would you recommend option a have agenda consultant participating in very specific activities or having other team members communications lead project manager for example being responsible for gen activities even if they are not gender experts thank you for the question Tanya well first of all I when you assign gender responsibilities to people that have no affiliation or background in it you need to train them so that is going to be a cost as well so hiring agenda consultant group divided case but it really depends on the project that you have because baby you wanna mainstream it in so many components that you do have to train your own police in all different facets of the great agenda of poor long term gender mainstreaming it would be good to actually train the people that could be responsible for other topics so that there take a chapter that has a long term and also okay great Thank You Raymond well I let me just check if I have other specific questions here okay yeah milena includes a reflection but I would just share the reflection that always will be able to I mean provide a few answer during the webinar but then we just we can just all live with the reflection that she proposed so it's what extent do we are to not working on identifying consulting with women gender groups associations all stakeholders on project formulation also what are the main constraints to maybe doing it more do you want to provide response to that reflection Raymond or pear trees and then I think we have to finish after that because we are almost in our limited time and also for the organs for the other sorry just yeah for the others will of course make sure we read and take into consideration all your questions if you still have questions you can even include that now in the chat box and we do of the questions and get back to you by mail afterwards Thank You Raymond happy yes very happy deafness is brought up because that's exactly in a lot of program reviews promoting making sure that these stakeholders women boobs with an association other kinds of representation context analysis but not only in that part women are also of the perceived as being the victims or the recipients of it and while they are very much the ones who can help us actually achieve the result that we so which we should also involved as the active participant project and even in leadership positions but what's the second part of the bursar sorry I was made at the second was related to the main constraints and so babe me dude to maybe do we need more but I think I read addressed societies where we're expanding leadership roles of them overall having a larger present special projects is that it and that's why also in the context to analysis it's important to see when men and women differently by the available contacted or being a part of the project implementation so that we are accommodating ourselves to their schedules at since many projects have been doing data and where women have reproductive and domestic tasks to perform they are often excluded to that way so we okay great thank you very much Raymond thank you very much batteries and thank you all for participating today you have our email address in the presentation that we will receive shortly after the the webinar today and we also share with all of you a recording of this webinar thank you very much for your participation and have a good afternoon thank you thank you very much