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welcome everybody out there and we're we're all mainly trying to bat at the moment so try and get things done i think the one thing i need to say at this stage of the game um we need to get those forms in as quickly as possible so we're going to keep the meeting short so you can all get your form submitted and the links of which liquidators have been approved by rag or have been we've been working with and we know are trustworthy and know the background are on our website and if you there are people on the website who are standing by to answer any direct queries on the website itself as well so if you want if you've got queries then go there with that but we are going to try and focus in and and keep it very specific today uh we want to only work around the actual submission of the forms what is necessary and what the questions are there so i'm just going to ask hendrick just as a brief i'd briefly introduce everybody um hendrick from starting who's an advocate it's going to briefly introduce everybody and we we have when we post the video we normally post a description of of the people or the panelists that were that have taken part in the video itself we will we have a bio we'll we'll put up a bio page as well of of and post on there all the panelists that we've interviewed over the last three days as well and all the consultants that have worked with us so that they so that you know who it is we're working with and just one thing we are not part of mti or mti management we've done our absolute best to exclude these people from this from the workings of rag and i also want to say to the public out there that we are getting some of the the mti people starting to talk to our panelists as well there is interaction going on and we're getting information from people people are stepping up and saying i know what happened i was there i was a computer analyst i was at this and and we've even got people who are pointing in within the organization who have access to certain platforms are pointing them to our platform to get help as far as the investors are concerned so i'm going to hand over to andrea quickly just a short introduction of our panelists um he doesn't need to introduce the investors we are just ordinary investors okay hendrick good morning everyone i'm african starring from the national park council and also working on mti and i'm working with my colleague ethical victor if i can introduce the panelists today here as you all know chris creel is the coordinator from wright and he's also the person with the glasses and doing all the talking so far then we've got mr zen depenar from kupon auctioneer very extensive track record of auctioning especially in high case profile cases and they also used to work with the asset forfeiture unit of the npa then can is also one of the on a panel of liquidities that has been vetted and that are we said you can trust this person from the side of rag welcome carmen and then we've got investors as chris said to sharon stephen and william of which both stephen william and sharon are also integral part of rag and ensuring that the right message is given out there to all the investors in mti thank you chris thank you i think what i'd like to do is ask is then to give us a just a brief update of where we stand at the moment with the submission of forms and um and then we'll we'll field some questions after that um i don't know herman if you've got anything maybe ask ahmad if he's got anything specific he's thought we didn't have time to talk before the time i i just want to say to him that we have covered a lot of the stuff we are just trying to field specific questions today that may be coming up as such thank you chris do you want to say something before i start now i just want to thank you for the opportunity and for including me i did observe yesterday's zoo meeting as well just as an observer um i have some inputs uh regarding the submission of the forms but i will wait for zen to first give us his thoughts on that thank you okay then it's it's over to you thank you um what we're still finding in the groups is uh we've been monitoring the whole 90s people are still confused on the time frame that is a big problem and um another problem that's arising is the the it seems like the liquidators on on on rack's website is struggling to keep up the the servers are giving problems so they struggling to get through their nomination forms so the liquidators must really look at those channels are open so the forms can actually get to them in time we're really trying to submit it i had a talk to bernardi this morning and i will also after this contact three liquidators concerned i think it's very important that we try and get to the master asap it's a holiday tomorrow of course and i think we we should get especially adamant down there in the cape and maybe two of it to get to the master and take the three liquidators that's uh on react's preferred liquidators and go to the master and try and get an urgent appointment this morning we cannot wait even if we have to work tomorrow and through new year's the the investors um need to know what's going on and i think the more and the longer we wait the more the damage will become so i think yes the nomination must still stream in but i think we have to take a different approach now and really approach the master to make a urgent application of the liquidators um i i would suggest a master also appointing all three because we're going to have to shoot in all three different directions the the offices of mti is sitting up in sluango one is sitting up here in ranbir and otherwise down in the cape and stalamas of course i think those offices beat i don't think we should wait any longer i would like to have hendrick and admon's thoughts on on this idea um yes thank you zen i fully agree that we must act today still um we have received a few thousands of requisitions up till now my staff are permanently printing the requisitions some are completed correctly some are completed incorrectly as um as my colleague has also stated yesterday that being said my suggestion is that if if i have a thousand requisitions available and the other two liquidators have the number of requisitions ready to lodge today that we simply make a list of those requisitions we have managed to print and and and include it in a list and we take all three requests all three liquidators requisitions to the master's office uh between 12 and 1 o'clock this afternoon under covering letter and between hendrick and toby they can decide who must draft that letter on behalf of the liquidators and we ask for an urgent appointment um and in that letter we can refer to the number of requisitions we expect to receive and the number of requisitions we have been able to to um to go through and to summarize up till now that's my suggestion and i would like to hear what hendrick has to say about that can i just interrupt quickly please chris um toby is desperately trying to come on to the zoo he asked the link was never sent to me did you send the link to him yes i did i definitely just can just resend it again right before please just watch something now all right yeah i'll do that um can i just uh ask you guys please i think the technical side of it basically what you're what what this is coming down to is you are trying to get an appointment today to get this done but at the same time it means that the people need to get their requisitions in as quickly as possible that's really what what's happening here is that correct let's look we don't know if we're going to be successful if we're going to approach the master so we don't have to stop the process by supporting the liquidators and getting the forms in that we don't know we are speculating here but um i think we should we should give it a go but the people must keep on sending forward because we don't know if we will be successful okay all right brilliant okay um so i'm going to give over to hendrick just so that he can just recap on that and just uh affirm the advocates position as far as that's concerned and also while he's doing that i'll send out those links just to see where there's a problem okay i think we lost actually from starting now okay good morning everyone sorry the signal is extreme this i think indirect signal is very bad digress okay all right i i think um in a nutshell i hear you you're looking at getting as many applications together and you want to go and submit this to the master to see if you can get a a decision from him by the number of applications you've got and obviously the more application nominations yeah yeah the the the more of them you've got between the three liquidators the better off you are and the more chance there is there will be a success as far as that's concerned so please keep sending guys keep working on it all right so let's just can we just move on at this stage when if hendra comes back and he's he's good he can just tell us he's got it sorted welcome christopher nice to see you i can see you're also running around at this stage of the game um all right so um does anybody want to recap for christopher where we are at at the moment sorry ladies and gentlemen christopher is uh one of our preferred liquidators and he's been working very very hard with us to set this all up and to keep everything in on the right in the right way and also obviously has a tremendous amount of experience as far as this whole process is concerned and above all has great experiences for the as the uh forensic analysis and chasing wallets all over the world is concerned he knows how he's been involved in that as as as has all the people who are the dominated liquidators on our side and that's the one of the main reasons there are there are two critical criteria here that we did we we did when we chose these people that yeah it's integrity and their ability to to recover these sort of assets and then also um the way they've they've they've worked in their liquidations in the past their past history of honesty and dealing properly with their investors with with the creditors the people who are interested in the thing so okay so i just got a message from um from indirect there's load cheating in his area so he will not be able to join us any further because the the signal has gone there so okay and it will be off okay i think um just to give herman a chance here um to explain to christopher what our plan is here um i think that will be good uh airmen yeah just a second i see advocate toby bernardi is on is that yes yeah okay so we're good yeah thank you chris unfortunately i only received the link now i'm sorry about that no worries okay so so i'll i'll let him just give a summary of where we what what the thinking is what might happen today if we can be successful so you can kind of thank you chris thank thanks chris and thank you zen uh morning christopher nice meeting you i'm looking forward to work together if we can achieve what we try to manage my suggestion just before you you joined us was um that we take the number of requisitions that we are ready to submit and lodge with the master even if it's whether it's 500 or 800 or a thousand requisitions those number of requisitions that we have managed to print and to add onto a spreadsheet uh the same on your site the same on the other liquidated side who has been being nominated by the panel um let's let's combine those three lists let's put the requisitions into files and coordinate between your offices and my office to take that into the master's office today under a covering letter um arranged by advocate bernardi and advocate stardom and then in that letter ask the master to make a urgent provisional appointment based on the volume of support that have been received by all three of the liquidators and hopefully get the master to buy at the latest monday morning or afternoon make such an urgent appointment we have managed to find out who the individual is we need to li haze with at the cape town masters office we know the acting assisting master is and we have access through that person to the acting master who will form part of the panel at the masters office on monday for the um appointment to be made and that information we can obviously then share amongst the liquidators that's my suggestion yeah i couldn't go with that that's fine okay all right can i ask uh advocate uh to be bernardi just to comment on that and then i think i just want to put a wind of caution here these are plans we've got and obviously that will depend on what the situation is when you arrive at the court with your presentations and obviously will you able to report back after that uh uh advocate bernardi would you like to comment on that yeah thank you chris i i i also concur with everyone i need i think we need to get those requisitions to the master's office asap and if i can assist with that i will gladly do so okay all right okay zen anything else on on that matter at this stage of the game do you think we've covered that sufficiently no chris i must say i like what i'm hearing and i think i think uh atleti and our learned friend mr bester is he's gonna pull this off i've got a good i've got a good feeling about this they know the master they they work with them often they they know them on a personal level so i think they can pull it off if anybody can pull it off at this stage okay so i i like what i'm hearing okay so guys watch our channel we will report back on this one this is this is going to be hopefully good news today and we hope that the south african the south african system will help us get to the bottom of this as quickly as possible okay i'd like to move off that and and just go for some uh questions and answers are you ready sharon to to tell tell these panelists see if you can get them into a corner are you ready to go with your questions sharon you'll share a new mic you you're hiding from us here we go so i do have a couple of questions and then one of the panelists can go ahead and answer it so as far as submitting forms from monet a question he submitted the forms to hermann at tiger booth trustees but hasn't received any confirmation are people going to be receiving confirmation that docs will receive um sharon thank you what we are currently doing is we are we are looking out for specific emails with questions so it is it is impossible at this stage to reply to each and every requisition we are going through the requisitions if the requisition um is completed in dollars we will reply and ask that they recomplete and include the rand value for instance and if there's a specific question we try to answer those questions but there are no acknowledgements being sent out at this stage okay thank you for answering that herman and you can just imagine to everybody on this call they're 280 000 members we don't have the the manpower and the time to get this process done in the short available time so thank you for that a question from stano i hope i pronounced your name right what do i do is my friend from another country who does not speak english and cannot get this form translated to him in time can i please send it in his name or put his name on my form do i sign on his behalf how do we handle this situation and then i think that's your that's you need to answer this one you see unfortunately the master's got its way of receiving these requisitions there's a standard way and there's things that must be compiled on the requisition so you cannot submit a requisition to the master that is not your requisition or your claim if you are doing it on behalf of somebody you have to have a mandate or some form of authority of submitting that requisition so that is going to pose a problem i think what should happen there is that that problem should be posted on one of the groups if the requisition form has to be um translated but like christopher told us a couple of times you can go into google translate and we already said yesterday that we can then compile the requisition by and write it out by end just as long as it covers or it appears to be the same as the standard requisitions of all the liquidators so that keeps on posing a problem but you cannot submit the requisition of on the behalf of the third party it cannot be like that it has to be you with your signature on that requisition and if it's a minor under 18 years the law in south africa is under 18 years you have to have a guardian there signing on your behalf is there anything one of the two liquidators i mean you guys also deal with this daily uh christopher i think christopher is struggling there maybe airman you should come in there or to be yes yes please um thank you zen i fully agree with what zen has said i just want to add one thing um and that is i think christopher is also trying completely here christopher can i just make one point quickly about the requisitions yeah go for it uh chris it's very important for all the investors investors to realize that the requisition form is as zen has stated a nomination for liquidator it's all that it is and with the number of requisitions that are coming in a single requisition under the control of someone in in a foreign country is not going to make any difference all of the investors will have an opportunity to formally lodge a claim as christopher has mentioned yesterday and that is a separate process at a later stage where we are at now the requisition is like a it's like a ballet paper it's a nomination form um and one or two will make no difference at this point in time they don't have to panic they will get another opportunity to formally lodge a claim against the company okay i think the the contrary to that is we want them to sub they need to submit to support our liquidators because there are a lot of shall we say not such straight liquidators out there that are doing their best to get as many submissions as they can so please we have to all work at getting the right people appointed to do this job so it's not that your vote doesn't count your vote counts so get the forms in i just saw a question come through here which i'd like to just field quickly um i think i know the answer but i'm not going to answer it i'm going to get the experts to answer it the question was i live with a i have a lot of people whose forms i can collect may i send them from my own email they are properly filled in they've got all this stuff and does it matter if i send six forms from one from one email that's no problem chris as long as the the the person that's got the claim full the forms you need can be um sent from anywhere in the world the the the the crux of the matter is as long as the person that's got the claim against the estate has filled it in sign it properly it can be sent from anywhere in the world uh for that matter one email address could have had all the the the requisition dominated send it into the liquidator so that's got no bearing on anything whatsoever okay sharon over to you you what name and this has come up really a lot what name do i put on the creditor as the creditor is your name so at the top line it's um mti international but eyes the creditor sharon cousins for this amount of btc slash my z-a-r being my rand value amount so the creditor is your full name not the name that your partner calls you not your other name your legal name okay and also if it's you've bought the spot in a business entity make sure you put in the business entity as per the mti investment that you made um so that was the one question i don't know if any legal expert wants to add to my answer that's quite correct um sharon you have to do it that way okay um nominations forms have been sent to sebenza christopher this would be for you and it's come back undelivered is that just because there are so many forms uh unfortunately we had a lot of spam um so that was blocked i worked also through the all night uh there is space again so they can resend it to submit the trust at abso mail.cra um i just quickly want to jump back to the other one that um one friend he can complete the form um listen english or uh and then send it to his friend and he can sign it and they can then send it on to their preferred liberator if they really want to that's just okay so so the english friend can write up all the information and then send it to the actual owner of the account and say just sign it and send it in that's what you're saying christopher is that correct yeah i think that if they really want to do it then that's fine and it will help them and they will feel also at least they both part of this process great stuff i think chris by putting your signature on the document you uh you're owning the requisition it belongs to you then that is that is you that's how you're going to identify the claimant or the creditor or the person putting the nomination through the signature is the important thing anybody can fill it in even if the person can't write just as long you can own the requisite by putting your signature on that requisition that's all that's needed okay great stuff um i have an investor who miscalculated the investment amount and they did not submit the amount in rand will their registration be discarded yes then yeah this registration won't be it is guarded but the nomination will be regarded and like uh harmon said just now that the claim doesn't go away i will emphasize this again people there's two factors here the nomination is there to nominate your preferred liquidator it's got absolutely no bearing on the claim whatsoever that will be handled as admin said just now in a separate time and place so that will have to be recalculated and the right claim will have to be forward so the the initial stage now of requisitions is just to nominate our liquidator to do the right job to get to the claim eventually later on so we must not mix this two up there's two things here requisition get our liquidator appointed that's got no betting on the claim the blame will follow later for the first meeting of creditors that's where the claim will be submitted so if you don't get your requisition in now it's not the end of the world we will hear to you the appointed liquidator will get back to you to submit your claim so people mustn't start stressing about it and think they're out of the race now they're not going to lose their money or anything like that the liquidator has got obligation to look at the concurses the whole body of the creditors they cannot just ignore somebody uh advocate bernardi i think you've you've got something to add yeah i just wanted to confirm that um the process to to submit your claims will will be much later on um this is just to give the master an indication as to who the nominees are for the appointment of liquidators okay thank you for clarifying that um a lot of people are wanting to know is an example of a form yes there is on our website i've just posted the link again you can go and check out an example of the form we are trying to make the simple i know there's somebody on the group that's saying we are freaking people out we are just normal mti investors that are trying to answer your question so mr douglas green we are yet to help you and assist you every step of the way any information that we get from our legal team from the liquidators from the auctioneers from everybody who's involved in this process we are putting on our website we are only posting factual information you must realize that 280 000 investors who are leaning on us for help and we don't have the answers that's why we've got an entire legal team behind us assisting with all of this and that's why we're going through questions not thumb sucking the answers that's why oh yeah to make sure we're giving you the correct answers so we've gone through the requisitions we've gone through the forms just a couple of more questions how many forms do you need to fill in it's one form per spot that you've bought on your mti um investment so if you have two spots you need to do two forms it's as simple as that it's not about claiming your money back right now it's purely about getting our liquidators um actually nominated that's all this process is um another question i don't know if somebody wants to add in the meantime by requisition do you mean the form that has to be filled out with our btc holding and id number as well so somebody can answer that i i i think the um i i honestly think that maybe uh one of the liquidators should answer that at this stage of the game that is not called for on the form um the i think just to reiterate what you said is um each one of these accounts are separate and one of the things that is really important so to evaluate one of the questions that came up this morning which we we dealt with as well and william actually dealt with that very well he he he said that there are there are three spots william are you there do you just want to do that evaluation of what you should put on the form and then the liquidators can check that they're happy with that do you want to come in and just and just explain that for us william you you really dealt well with that this morning so i think you should just just answer that question thank you chris all right there's basic there's three places where your bitcoin can be lying at the moment i think for most well i can't say for the most it's either going to be in your trading pool balance now you've put it in you just kill it keep lifting there for trading so trading pool balance the one place it's going to be just look on the dashboard scroll down um and it's more or less pull more bottom uh you're going to see the trading pool balance then the other one where it can be is in your income wallet the income wallet balance is also on the dashboard on the main page i think it's just one or two on top of the trading pool balance and then the last place where a lot of people's funds are lying especially the guys that try to withdraw their money now uh when they're panicked the money is lying in in the wallet section when you go to wallet withdrawal or withdrawal funds i think it's called so just go look at the withdrawal requests that you've submitted i know the bulk of my money is lying in that in that section and you're going to see a lot of transactions it's going to say pending and then just look for the bitcoin value there so basically just to sum up it's going to be in free places trading pool balance income wallet balance or in your wallet withdrawals section okay and then you add those three up that is the claim on that account okay under the name of that account and all there is the detail the balance of the detail i don't think liquidators need at the moment they need that balance put together you then take that and you convert the value at today's date for the bitcoin to zar and those are the two figures that should be on there if you want to put in u.s dollars and then zar it's not the end of the world but the final main figure will be the zar value of that bitcoin today and guys tomorrow morning i promise you and i this is a guarantee it's like death and taxes it's going to be different because it is fluctuating all the time so it's a order of magnitude but let's try and be honest that's what's important okay people as gifts from me jane in south africa is asking unaware that i've got them these gifts how do i register them on the forms under my name or under the individual's names obviously they can't sign the forms she's bought them as gifts she doesn't they don't aren't even aware of this i think the question there is that we need to clarify whether she's opened up separate accounts in their names and the moment she's opened up separate accounts in their names they have to submit to form which they sign am i right then okay remember we said already under 18 means a guardian over 18 they can sign it themselves but each individual has to fill the form in so with other ones you said three children and three uh uh spots like you say she will have to submit three different claims each for each child and then she must sign as the guardian for those children if they are under 18. yeah and and the valuation is what william has discovered for us those three places together sharon is that is that okay yeah that's perfect somebody else has said i've created profiles for my family kids moms everybody with my email and cell number that mean each of them have to complete their own that's exactly what we've answered i'm not even going to go through that a lot of these questions are repeat questions i'm hoping everybody's been paying attention but do refer back to our website www www.getaquid.com and you can complete the forms on behalf of your kids we've covered that um if you have completed the form in bitcoin can you resubmit the form i think okay what they must just do is they must put a covering letter on their new form and just uh tell the liquidator i'm re-submitting this form the liquidate in any case will not be able to fill uh submit the form that's been filled in wrong in the in the in the bitcoin to the mast in any case so they will discard those forms to file 13 that's their dustbin it's impossible so the best is if you have followed in the wrong way re-submit the form in the right way you don't actually have to warn the liquid id you will not be able to put that form in for for for to the master so just resubmit your form with the right information on and then the liquidator will be able to submit that form to the master so if you've made a mistake just resubmitted them in any case the liquidator will not be able to submit that form so it doesn't matter just resubmit it to the same liquidator then okay there to answer somebody's question that they're asking earlier on also do we send the requisition form to all the liquidators or only to one so please cover that carefully then yeah people you you've got a liquid a you've got a requisition form with you that requisition form is made out to specific liquidator the liquidator that you see then under on his form will be email address where you have to submit that form back to it's no use you've seen that from all over the world it has to go back to where the the address is on the bottom of that form so the liquidator that's addressed is at the bottom of the form that is where your nomination or your requisition must go back to to send it up to the other liquidators you're just wasting their paper and you're spamming the email addresses that's that's all you're doing so get it to the liquidator that that's got the email address at the bottom of that form right thank you um advocate bernardi did you want to add something i saw you come on then uh thank you chris yeah please do not do not submit it to all three the liquidators that will create the problem um and all three of those requisitions will be uh what's the word boy did avoid it thank you all right okay robert bush in the usa is saying it doesn't seem as much as much concern for the people in the united states because of the time zone and robert i want to apologize profusely that we've all been thrown in the deep end we're trying to get all of this put together in such a short period of time with all the holidays here in south africa but also with all the covert globally so it's it's actually couldn't have happened at the worst time of year and i shall have everybody's vote on that i will set up a usa call uh particularly for the usa um mti investors i'll run it by a reg team i don't mind doing it at three o'clock in the morning whatever time we have to i probably won't get all the advocates and everybody on the call but to be fair to all of you i will set it up and robert i will send you a personal message with my direct personal mobile number and we can liaison maybe you can be a spokesperson for the american team and i want you to get all the help that you need i'm not leaving any country out in this chris is not leaving any country out we want to assist every single mti investor so hopefully that's answered your question melissa one sorry sorry i just want to add to that that's why we're posting the videos that's really important i think there's a lot of information on these videos and we'll keep posting them so as we get information as well we'll put videos out there once we've done conferences as well webinars and things so that the people have got the information it's an undertaking from us that we're going to be walking through this process for as long as we can and and to keep everybody informed of what's actually happening and we'll keep bringing on as the thing develops we'll keep finding the right panelists and get to the truth we are not going to fake news this i am going to work my best so that donald trump doesn't fake news me marissa wants to know how long this process will take and that's a very open-ended question so then or you know somebody sharon what process are they referring to exactly well i think the entire process right now we need to get our liquidators nominated and that's obviously right now but i mean how long is this process going to take until we all see at least a few you know quid rand bitcoin dollars etc i think we must give herman the opportunity to answer this one let's put it let's put a brick in him there should i go into the next question no no i think it's a very difficult question to answer nobody really knows i mean it's it's it's we don't know how this is gonna run so i do give you i don't want to do any speculation it's very very dangerous to do this and give people falsehood but we we are sitting with a magnitude of investors here and i think uh you can you can go for it give your thoughts on this yeah uh it's impossible to tell at this stage how long the process will take um this is a huge process and it's going to take some time but and this is not something that we can rush in in two or three months this will take some time in order to properly win [Music] do this and and and liquidate the company so it's impossible to tell that at this stage right thank you for that i appreciate it the amount of claim is that the amount one invested in the beginning no the amount of time we've said this a couple of times the amount of claim is what's on that count today that's it and we'll what what what will eventually happen is once the once the whole process has been completed the liquidators will make their decisions according to the actual claims and what's happened in between but let's not complicate this matter at the moment there's a lot of water that needs to go under the bridge all we want to do now is have an order of magnitude of what's on that account at the moment take those three items together count them up convert it to zar submit end the story leave it like that is it then if i can just come in here remember the the process has got a lot of legs the first process was to bring application to the court the second process was to get it liquidated and get a court order for the liquidation now we're in the process of submitting requisitions to the master once that is done the master will make an appointment once the appointment is made is the liquidators will take control once the liquidators get their control they will start getting reports back as what they found in these states so every step these steps in the liquidation process we are now focusing on the steps to get the liquidator appointed now we've passed the court application we've passed the court order we are now submitting nominations and requisitions for the master the next point will be is as adamant stated just now we'll try and get an appointment once we get to the point the next step will fall into place we'll take control so i think we must we must concentrate on step by step and take the investors through the steps now we are concentrating on requisitions the next step will be appointment in order to get the appointment we have to get the requisitions when we get the appointment the next step will be to go and take control after taking control we'll try and extend our powers the liquidations will stand their powers by the court to have more powers in the provisional liquidation process so everything has got steps one by one and we are now in the step where we have to get requisitions to get our liquidators appointed so the people must understand there are steps we are following first two steps are passed i mean step three now so this is important that we get our liquidator pointed so they can take the next step okay guys if i might add everything has to be done in terms of the provisions of the insolvency act and rate with the companies act okay i just want to give everybody a countdown i we are going to switch off in 10 minutes time so whatever questions just keep it short so that we can cover as much ground as possible um okay sharon have you got another any more questions at this site i did an internal transfer with parents and all my kids and i put it all into one account so can i just fill out one form or do i need to do three forms because it's all in one account now that's one form one um they are repeat questions i don't know if people have hopped on the call and missed out on questions all these questions are also answered on our website so if you feel your question hasn't been answered please just look on our website um okay you're so welcome people are thanking us we accept that gracefully put my retrenchment and pension fund into a few accounts for myself and my husband kids shall i fill in the form in the names i can't even like all of these have been answered so let's just we're pending withdrawals so everything's in limbo should we not include or do we exclude the money that we've already withdrawn no that's not an issue what's on the account is on the account whatever's happened before doesn't matter what you bought in for doesn't matter what you're buying out for what you receive doesn't matter what's on the account is all you look at at the moment okay i think i'm gonna wrap this up now i'm just gonna give the panelists each uh something to say because we've all got a lot of work to do today i'm sorry that we can't visit a little bit longer with these kind people um but um i think we've we've answered the main questions if any q a's come in that need to be dealt with we will deal with them in due course so can i i'm going to give each each person on our panel an opportunity um unless somebody feels they really have a serious question they want to ask can i ask the investor guys if we if it's really new you can ask the question otherwise i don't know if we should raise any more questions as far as this is concerned i'm going to go william hi chris uh i just want to quickly ask um is the cut off 11 o'clock or if if uh is 12 o'clock or stellar right if they email it in i just want to check because they're like that that seems to be the biggest issue at the moment that one hour is going to make quite a difference just confirm i think until such can i just say this until such time as we hear the the until such time as we hear that uh a liquidator has been appointed right that's the cut-off time and at the moment we we we're all sitting on our edge to get our forms in as soon as possible so we can influence that appointment and i think the cut off time will be when we say right and a liquidator has been appointed or we might say and we might it might go to the liquidator will only be considered on monday but we will keep everybody informed but right now as we stand here we want to approach the master today so i'm going to leave that i think uh maybe to be uh advocate to have ibn audi can field that question for us will you please come in here um i think there is a cut of day time 12 o'clock in terms of the masters rules at which the the requisitions must be submitted am i correct herman uh yes to abi that is correct um we we have spoken to the acting assistant master we know that um under normal circumstances no appointment would have been made today but technically speaking the cut-off time for the requisitions is 48 hours from the date that the order was granted which was tuesday so my suggestion at the start of this meeting was that by 12 o'clock we at least provide the master with a list of the requisitions that the three liquidators were able to to to process and submit that under covering letter asking for an urgent provisional appointment and then on monday we can if depending on what the master then request from us by monday submit the balance of the requisitions then do you want to comment on that yeah i think i think you must remember that every master's got its own way of operating in directives how they work with their liquidators these nine in every prominent is a master of the high court so um i think aaron admon has got the most knowledge as he sits there in that area and i it is the rule usually 48 hours after the the order has been granted i i don't know if it will work 100 like that in this case there's too many people so it's going to be to the master discretion as erman says what he's going to allow and not allow but i think we should follow the directive of the master and try and submit as much as we can today and that's why i said in the beginning of this meeting i think admin and turbo should get to the master and submit these forms and see if we can't get a appointment if possible but we don't know how the master is going to look at this but there is a directive in place how they will act on a case like this so i think we must follow that directive and that rules of the master and and that's the best we can do okay all right and and and we'll leave it with you learn a gentleman to come back to us and let us know all right any final words there's anyone want to have any final words before i wrap it up advocate toby bernardi do you want to wish us all a happy new year yeah may i say happy new year to everybody it's unfortunate situation but let's make the best of it let's see what we can do in order to liquidate this company as best as possible yeah and don't despair we're getting good news now that people are starting to investigate it properly we are getting lots of good news and don't despair we're going somewhere um uh hermann bester sir do you want to say something um i just want to maybe mention that this platform that was created is the best thing that could have happened under the circumstances that we are all in um if it is possible to take a screenshot of the number of members who have logged on to this uh creditors committee i want i would like to call it the reg creditors committee if it's possible please send it to us so that we can show the master what the um volume of the coordination is currently taking place um and i think this is an excellent platform well done to all of you i will i will show i will i will run a video for you on the actual statistics and and i'll i'll print that out but we've had more than half a million views in four days we've had interactions with in the region of between 80 and 100 000 people um in one way or the other on our platforms we have leaders mostly leaders who are distributing our information so we are talking to a lot of investors and at the moment what's happened is the it one one of the key things to me is that the people who are feeling they are part of something that's gone wrong in mti are now starting to point people to our platform as well and that is actually happening they are intervening emails that are going to mpdi the support system is saying talk to talk to rag code and visit drag which means that they're recognizing the work that we're doing and they are starting to talk to our advocates and to our liquidators as well those management people are coming up and saying listen i i didn't realize this was going on what information do you need so that's really really good stuff that's happening so i i will i'll i'll send you support documentation as well and with the covering letter which we will draft in conjunction with our advocates okay thank you chris thanks a lot okay um zen anything i'm very happy with this is going i think i'm happy edmond joined our team um i think we're gonna be a formidable team to you guys for the investors don't despair uh i think you've packed the right people as the auctioneer i'm very very happy with the people on the panel here and the people that the the the investors are backing here and i think from the bottom of my heart we're going to fight very very hard for you and get to the bottom of this and recoup as much money as we can and just put your trust in us have a very very very nice new year i know it's difficult but going to the new year with with without knowing that we're going to fight very very hard for you and i think garmin i think you must just as a last thing just just just put a bit of confidence in our people that we're really really going to try our best yet to recoup all the money as hard as we can yeah yeah thank you guys um i i just want to excuse uh christopher as well he's having lots of troubles with his internet at the moment and as is hendrick as well um i don't know i'm he's on youtube i'm listening i was just uh answering the questions on the on the website okay on the site do you want to add something now that you can talk to us um yeah i think they mostly yeah everything was explained so most important is the investors must just go to your rags website they again requested it on the questions and answers and just point them to the correct link to download the forms there was one question which do i choose it's your own decision um it's your decision you want to choose at the end of the day um most of the liquidators do work together and i only think there will be three to four liquidators and that's the guys that's on the list website okay all right gentlemen lady and gentlemen thank you very very much for helping us out here and i i will say to the investors as things develop we will post on the website and post across our platforms what the next step is going to be and we will call a webinar the moment we know what what the outcome is of today's uh situation as far as the court is concerned but please guys get your nominations did i get it right then nominations get your nominations in and it's when it's one account and it has bitcoin and the the name of the person who's on that account signs a piece of paper fills in the form takes those three elements as william told us together puts all the three elements together that's what it is don't worry what you were paid don't worry how much you took out don't worry what it is today that's it at today's value it's wrong for yesterday it's wrong for tomorrow but it's right for today okay thank you very much people and if we don't talk again have a happy new year and don't drink too much tonight stay home and enjoy the covered opportunity okay thank you guys bye