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we are we are live now on facebook so please start [Music] hello yeah you you can carry on assalamu alaikum i thank movement ministry of hyderabad for inviting me to share my insights and very importantly for giving me the opportunity to be in a panel with two of the most uh important and powerful muslim voices of the country of our times i take this opportunity to convey my most sincere respect and solidarity to the inspiring iranians and afrin fatima that said i have no intentions to put upon them an unnecessary burden to act in any different way becoming someone who they are not to fit in the definitions of inspiring or most powerful muslim voices uh and i mentioned this due to the phenomena of portraying oneself as all knowing ever inspiring uh and unnecessarily heroic pictures of themselves prevalent among india's established and highly recognized civil civil rights activist class who identify themselves as liberals and whom i'm trying to disband for for the sake of simplification and time management i shall now call them allies for some very obvious reasons uh because before saying anything more on that i'll i shall set the speech in a particular context uh again for the simply simplification and better understanding of the audience uh in the early december of 2019 the government formally moved ahead with its plan to legislate its genocidal intentions of disqualifying muslims from their membership in the indian society and uh and the proposed legislation was called citizenship amendment bill and it was coupled with the national register of uh citizenship or the nrc to identify in the words of minister amisha infiltrators masquerading as indian citizens whom he wished to throw in the bay of bengal the bill was outrightly discriminatory against muslims and given the affiliations of the men behind bringing it it posed some real danger and quite naturally muslims were tested and among others were led by both of my fellow panelists rania zolakan african fatima who rightly believed this bill was anti-muslim to the core and as the protest grew mainly after police aggression against students of jamia millionaire and the muslim university of harigard numerous protests certain protests arose like wild mushrooms across the length and breath of india but only in areas with considerable muslim population the first such written protest was started by january student leader shirji lima in perhaps the largest muslim urban muslim ghetto in india and was called shaheenbag sergey imam the man who started uh will in three days complete one year in jail on fictitious terror charges and continues to be absent from the list of you know from the list of leaders uh in jail compiled by our allies uh i shall come to that later uh but when the bill was first proposed and when and when muslims first started protesting uh our allies they were confused they hadn't designed their response to it which they you know very carefully craft every single time uh on the day jamia the students of janya mili islamiyah they were they were attacked by policemen when on that that was on 13th of december uh 2019 uh the national president of an of a pan-india ambassador right organization uh having huge support and influence not just in dalits but community said see just a distraction uh to dilute their campaign against evm and it should not be taken seriously this was said on 13th of uh this was said on 13th of uh december and in 2019 the same day when students of janja were brutally lightly charged and attacked by policemen and uh like two days after at least 1200 instruments were booked on 56 charges uh and then i personally witnessed another leader with considerable political capital and media agency saying ca is not against muslims it is against india the latter one is a part of an invisible but highly influential mafia style network of leaders and activists and academicians and generalists and some filmmakers who dominate the popular media space in india the entire network pushed the same narrative that ca ca was an attack on the idea of india the dream that gandhi saw [Music] on the constitution of india and so on and and this is the same narrative they are propagating even today before i elaborate more on that here's one question i i wish to ask to all of you why was why was the anti-ca moment called ntca movement this question is important and i shall try explaining how now one may say that ntc movement is called so because uh it was against cea or the citizenship amendment act but why this why is the citizenship amendment act called the citizenship amendment act uh even in the popular media space because we know that these complex names of the bills are you know given a new name in in the media like why would why was the muslim women protection of rights and marriage bill which was passed in uh 2019 and again very controversial was called the triple talaq bill i argue that this nomenclature is political you know and this isn't just with the triple threat we'll see for example the recent prohibition of uh prohibition of unlawful religious conversion act passed by the uttar pradesh government which is called love jihad law in the popular media space these popular names for complex long bills coined by social media serve a particular purpose uh in in the triple talaq case it was done to constantly remind muslims of the government's attempt to interfere in muslim personal laws and to demonize muslims and their faith in the controversial jihad law the the name constantly reminds hindus of an ongoing fictitious but ongoing religious campaign against them to forcefully convert hindu girls and and of course to further demonize and criminalize muslims these nomenclatures are anything but political it reduces the complex name of a said bill into a rhetorical phrase that delivers the purpose of the bill more accurately than its original name to suit the politics of whoever gives the name and we know that uh the the these names are given only by people having you know the the agency to that command to uh in media and other popular spaces uh one good example like another good example of it would be you know usa's executive order one three seven six nine uh which was also uh uh called like which was titled protecting the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the united states which was passed by former u.s president trump as soon as he took the office and it was popularly called in the media as the as the muslim ban so if you were able to follow me you should wonder why the citizenship coming back did not get a new name you know this newer name puts the the this name this giving of name of any bill you know of any phenomena any social movement you know it puts the debate uh around that phenomena around that bill in a very particular framework you know confines the debate around it in a particular framework and all the critiques of the bill shall be made in that particular framework right so at the outset the the the muslim ban in the united states and the ce and rc duo in india it was very uh similar both were brought by people advocating a specific kind of politics driven by hate uh both targeted a particular community and both gave way to looking at the members of the community uh as outsiders who should be punished the allies in the the allies in the united states uh uh they genuinely genuinely resisted the muslim ban because it was a muslim ban they did not appropriate it into something else they said it was an attack on muslims and we would not let that happen and that was a muslim moment in usa uh but on the other hand in india our this muslim genocide act or caa as i like to call it was appropriated into everything except an attack on muslims you know our allies pointed out that by making these uh protests about muslims alone it was it was attacking secularism it was alienating others uh it was propagating islamic fundamentalism and so on like they wanted this protest to be called uh you know i remember this when this famous very famous leader celebrity leader uh he came to amu on 12th of december uh to give solidarity to give his solidarity to the protesting students of amu i was there i was the person who invited him and he is speaking and and 15 minutes after speak uh a group of female students from amu they break their hostel logs and they came they they come to join the movement and um out of courtesy this the celebrity speaker had to pass the mic to the the female student leader uh and and allows her to speak when the leader speaks she says that this bill is against muslims and we have to fight we have to resist this is very important she said what we all was speaking about the bill uh but when the speaker when this celebrity speaker he gets back his mic uh instead of resuming what he was saying he chooses to answer this this this be a second-year girl and says no beta you are wrong this this bill is not an attack on muslims disability is a attack on the idea of india and and again i'm not making this up this is available on youtube uh i just don't want to name them because it's this structure i don't want to cancel any single person this is uh like this is a whole network and there are many people in it but he says that uh this is not an attack on muslims this is an attack of attack on in the attack on constitution attack on secularism this is what they have been trying to propagate uh and this is you know this is you know islamophobia in our allies who believe muslims or muslim issues alone cannot be secular unless it is sugar coated into suspicious you know ganga germany narrative thereby giving them his peace to lead this this mafia style network i mentioned before even accuse muslims of for extremism and fundamentalism uh for adding for asserting their identities uh but uh again i'll go back to united states like right after the trump signed that muslim ban uh protests started in the streets of new york and while thousands and thousands of people are marching on the roads of new york times where i if i remove correctly uh the the policemen started attacking the policemen they started attacking the the muslim the muslim women present there who could be identified through their hijabs and when the police started doing that the entire entire uh crowd then on the non-muslims there they started covering their head they started putting hijab you know in solidarity and and that was a moment you know that was truly uh uh like that was the act of real solidarity that uh if if you are attacking my friend who is a muslim for being muslim i'll also become a muslim you know that that was the solidarity it it takes into the account the group identity that is that is being attacked but but here uh in our country india when when muslims were protesting when all of us were on streets to defend our citizenship rights to defend our membership in the society these uh these allies they were instead of you know instead of giving uh strength to the movement they were schooling um the protesters they were they were accusing them they were eliminating them schooling them off you know you you can't protest as a muslim they protest as an indian this is uh this is against constitution the the the thing uh they nothing they forget uh sorry notifications the the things they they forgot or perhaps overlooked was that the intention of bringing these ea or nrc was the anti-muslimness of the government and only the implementation part of it was unconstitutional and and it is also true that only muslims were protesting there were several uh speakers non-muslim speakers in the protests but by far and large it was only muslims mostly masses from the streets all the satan's protest was you know it was organized in muslim localities and then coming and appropriating those protests as you know it's the fight for everybody uh it's an attack on all of us this is the kind of you know intellectual dishonesty and social fascism they are doing and one reason why why like the real people the real allies would have said that uh see this is an attack on muslims or this is an attack on dallas and i resist that attack on the lip like a true ally would do that but here in our case it was said that it is an attack on all of us perhaps like if it was an attack on muslims alone they won't be giving their solidarities they made it in that kind of you know they created that kind of narrative and then uh this when they when they say that this this attack was this bill was an attack on everybody they are they are you know making this uh this whole this whole narrative into into a into a framework uh that says that suggests that everybody is inherently equal and this this bill through this bill this government is trying to you know try to take away the individual rights of anybody or everybody uh and thereby by saying that they are they are you know they are uh invisibilizing the narrative of the oppressor and the oppressed like um this this movement was uh the this movement was not just to resist a bill like we have we and amy have been saying this for a very long time like we started the movement in on the 6th of uh december and since the first day we said that this this this these protests were to restore the self-respect and dignity of muslims as equal community in india and and this our allies you know and this is uh like i don't uh see criticizing is a person political party uh particular organization that is not what we want we we are we are criticizing we are opposing the idea you know that that doesn't let that snatches the agency of muslims to speak for themselves to talk for themselves and the the the liberal allies you know they their idea of liberalism that that that talks about you know this they talk about individual rights of people that is you know one aspect of liberalism that individual rights have to be safeguarded and thus they take every every new law every new operation and they take that individual rights as their reference point to uh to see the see maybe the new laws and cea for them was also an attack on the individual rights but uh what they forgot is that uh in nation-state setup there are attacks on group identities as well like um like uh say immigrants in u.s or muslims in india they are you know attacked for their group identity and their individual identity is never in question so before before like without acknowledging this uh any attempt to you know to give solidarity you know is is mere you know near politics of appropriation and that is what they have been trying to do and uh with that i have to say that solidarity doesn't comes with terms and conditions either you are with someone i mean either you are with the oppressed or you are with your present you can't you can't be schooling the oppressed and fighting the pressure at the same time you either join the fight with those who are fighting or you join forces with the oppressors there's no middle line here which our allies were trying to draw thank you thank you sharjeelasmani that was a very wonderful talk uh it was very thought-provoking as well next next in line we have a friend fatima as i mentioned earlier she is a student leader from jnu she is going to be talking on regulating protests and disciplining identities looking back at the ngcia movement is a friend here hello just a second i'm here okay whenever you are ready yeah just second yes i would first like to thank fraternity movement hyderabad university of hyderabad for organizing this very important uh lecture series the first lecture uh the first lecture organized was also very thought-provoking and informative and uh so thank you so much for organizing incar and uh so through my words today i will in my own capacity try to highlight the subtle that has now of course become very outright but an existential threat to the indian muslim community opposite to the right wings physical and verbal and policy attacks on the muslim community the desire to regulate or discipline the muslim mind comes from across the political spectrum it is an assault on the muslim mind in other words the secularization of the muslim mind and as we witnessed during the anti-ca protest the the way we were forced into leaving behind any trace of our language of resistance from speeches to slogans to posters paused to leave behind our identities back at home and invoke a national secularized identity we were blamed for alienating our allies that why will a non-muslim protest or be a part of an inherently muslim resistance uh like how shashi tharoor said you cannot fight hindu communalism by promoting islamic extremism but the truth is that even in the initial days of the protests when many were calling it a hashtag muslim lives matter resistance movement even when community driven slogans and signs were being used it was way far from the muslim communalism which of course by which of course i mean the generally accepted meaning of the word communalism which somehow in the indian vocabulary translates to something inherently very bad while all these attempts were challenged and resisted it will not be wrong if i say that this assault of secularizing the minds of indian muslims can be traced back to pre-bjp india before almost all my speeches during the protests i would be asked to by the muslim organizers to tone down keep it light i have deliberately mentioned muslim organizers because a these protests were organized by muslims in predominantly muslim spaces and b the assault or attack has been so subtle yet effective that and for so long that uh we think that it is the right thing to do but in reality the caa is anti-muslim like sharjeel said a sort of a muslim ban and hence it was but natural for muslims to use the very identity that is being targeted and and shout loud and clear enough that the earth shakes and crumbling and breaking down all efforts of the state to invisibilize muslims and all the efforts of the of our liberal allies who just try to secularize our mind secularize our identity or what i would i would like to say that hinduise muslims not secularized indian secular values are inherently hindu and a good muslim is always the one who hinduises himself or anyone who does not identify with these hinduised secular values is termed fringe the seculars might be sincere in their altruism but we can be thankful accepting and non-alienating without becoming insecure about our own worldview there is no need for muslims to play this cultural game and prove ourselves to the majority or even the minority from the majority that likes to call them our allies against this backdrop the anxiety of the secular liberal society is that these protests the anti-ca protests were in a way a direct attack on their politics of appropriation or playing the savior and so their anxiety need not be translated into our insecurity there is an underlying assumption that as i am a visible muslim or that these protests were visibly by muslims there is a dire need of liberal messiah who will come and liberate us and you know give us uh like tutorials of how to protest 101 and all these tutorials have but one outcome to reinforce the notion of the moderate muslim versus the fringe muslim the good muslim versus the bad muslim and this create a sort of a binary this secularization regulations and disciplining of our resistance and our mind is in a form of liberal supremacism which is out on a project of universalizing secular values it is as if it is the only way or the only answer and it is here where i would want to talk about sharjee lima uh who will always uh be for uh quote unquote a bad muslim uh not just because he was asserting his identity unapologetically but also keeping in check the hypocrisy of our allies sharjeel bhai's being an arrest is a complex thing that can be viewed from many point of views but the most important one for me uh is that the forced disappearance of his name from the public memory the isolation the reject the rejection not just by the left liberals but also by the community that he so passionately works for and belongs to it is but another manifestation of the insecurity and anxiety of the muslim community that is always made to believe that being too muslim is always bad but selective solidarities and unpromising promises are all that muslims receive even if one is a good muslim sex all the boxes of being one he or she will still be isolated one has to chip away pieces of themselves and their identity so as to be accepted even in the protests the biggest challenge was not merely to sustain the protests but how to keep the identity of the protest alive the threat is not only political and social but also intellectual and the problem is not just the assault on the muslim mind the real problem is the lack of awareness among muslims that such an assault even exists so while the predominant presence of muslim which is a minority community after all was just asked to not ask but paused to abandon islamic values signs symbols for secular liberal values and pacify the muslim identity of the protest i would once again say that it is the right of the minority to protest as muslims if the secular liberal idea of india does not give a space to a muslim identity feels threatened if muslims protest as muslims then this very idea of india needs to be rejected and reimagined if the muslim community is the is to reclaim its right to dignified existence and um truly emancipate liberate ourselves from the outright and subtle manifestation of islamophobia from the systemic marginalization of 70 years from the hypocrisy of left right left left right center alike from the secularization project that will only accept us if we become for them a model minority and a moderate muslim we must come become aware of our current state of affairs accept what is at stake in this social political and ideological struggle and realize new horizons are possible the awareness must occur at one place the muslim mind the fashioning of islam in public space and the promotion of a certain brand of islam is permissious and must be rejected in total even if muslims even by muslims who identify themselves as left or liberal to be equal citizens does not require us to be moderate muslims as indian civil society has defined it to be compassionate towards the people who have been robbed from their human dignity by discrimination torture pogroms riots arrests policy does not require us to submit to the secular renditions of religion knowledge and freedom we can and must coexist without letting ourselves be subjugated to these discourses our apology must go and not our identity thank you very much thank you thank you our friend fatima uh us was a very wonderful and a very informative speech uh next in line uh we have rania irani rania over here uh she is a student activist from delhi university uh she will be speaking on secularizing the protests and secular protests rethinking this anti-serious protest rania over to you yeah you are audible and invisible please go forward all revolutionary greetings to the fraternity hd unit you are worth has given a small online talk conducted by this team has restructured some of them and that's really visible here and more power to share in the way they represent themselves and both of them have made it pretty much clear and still let me reiterate as it works as it is worth repeating especially where we are continuously targeted looking back to the moment it is a fact that uh caa momentum meant different for different people to say for different group of people actually precisely from producing materials uh to those who came to attend a simple cultural event clearly evidence was the difference of levels in engaging with issue it was both i should say horizontally and vertically and more interestingly in it the constant concern of a group of spectators is to save the struggle by framing it inside the secular structure uh meaning to lessen its muslimness the process of erasure of muslimness in the cycle has uh what's been tried in all possible ways to say uh to say beat in the way they understand the law be it in their language resistance in every now and then this special filter of secularism has been introduced [Laughter] foreign i am unclear which one was rania oh i think the sound was coming from rania uh not rana's right i don't know yes it was i think uh you can ask karanya to like start her video so that you know who is rania and who is the one who is so [Music] hello yes yes yes yes you are and visible so the the way this makes me more powerful okay thank you the process of erasure of muslimness in the struggle was being tried in all possible ways be it in the way they understand the law between the language of resistance in every now and then uh this special filter of secularism has been introduced by the spectators like i i literally call them spectators as they never get into the ground but gives comments from gallery to save us and then they try their best for their contribution to be realized to be emphasized and the worst is that this this self-proclaimed fathers is even scared to address these as but muslim issues this hypocrisy has been addressed well by the people uh to an extent now and i don't need to repeat it even surgery and afraid has made it clear what particularly i am focusing today is that or trying to focus is uh how is how is it becoming possible to convince a community that there needs to be some middlemen who will teach us what to do and what not to do i'm completely aware that ndca moment has given the dignity uh the power to present ourselves without any alteration we have been as in the movement but there were certain instances or certain groups which were convinced that an increase in the number of national flags shall legitimize our protests as told by afrin uh from her experience i too had the similar experience of being told to listen the radicalization of the topic and yeah i personally was told from shaheen bhakt to not raise certain slogans and this was not told by any left liberal at least for that but one among the organization organizer so if i could recollect these were the exact words told to me like do you want us to fail in this movement do you want more muslim bodies that really shook me because i don't dare to do that but this took me to another level of thought a second between like the helplessness of an indian muslim the overburden of saving secularism even when it is killing its own people there i could connect to the double consciousness theory of uh wb dubois um on blacks uh like on black light uh being a stranger uh in his own house an indian muslim uh to say is born with the burden with this overburden being a problem by existences that every muslim had to uh or is still addressing this sense of always looking at oneself through the eyes of others and this twoness within one the power of soul and mind strangely dispersed from each other here i could i guess i could relate to rohit ramallah's last words the see the growing gap between my soul and my body and i guess that is the worst now as uh iqbal states nationalism as an ideology that always has the other india this this muslim other have to put in by bearing the burden to save secularism as well as they are helplessly forced to remain hopeful in secularism to be sure and every like we have to believe in law even when it is giving us you apa which is directed especially at muslim youth and ca even all this is what we get and we have article which which is meant to preservation of cattle which is simply the raksha but we have to uh actually defend it and we have to uh we have the same course which produce babari worthy to be a police and the worst is still we aren't saved by this mechanism we have been still we are still under the threat even after being situated even after being sacrificed we couldn't save fish and even after singing a national anthem at the last moment we have our leaders in jail irrespective of the intensity of radicalization in this slogan i said all the dignity just for a moment still we aren't gaining anything so uh the number of national flags in shaheen isn't listening the fabricated conspiracy theories about the same and this is the worst uh whereas uh we have the very good example of the farmer's protest of course relatively safer as their game in india but the conscious effort to give a damn about the secular frame should be followed and appreciated let me conclude my intentions were not to put more burden to the community by blaming them in their delicacy and i do assert that what uh karen once said like enters the racist who created them theory but all i have to say is let's just not try to impress people who don't worth it thank you thank you thank you rania for your words um now i guess we will throw the floor open to everyone please raise queries comments or any other valuable inputs so yeah actually we expected um this to be a you know more of um [Music] a q a session and things like that so we we are conducting a sp live right okay yeah so so if if somebody can uh uh are people commenting on on our ft live a lot of comments which is going on can we take some questions from them i think there are a lot of comments which are you know um there are no questions directed in that in that sense but most of the time they are having what is that called harassment kind of it's all harassing harassment [Music] so i think uh it is better to wind up here and okay so for all of uh who are over here uh we are very sorry uh that this unfortunate thing happened we never expected for this koreans to actually creep into our discussion and cause all these troubles and and um you know throw all this rubbish around so um we will we will take this up and we will we hope that this will not be repeated again sorry just one thing before before we end okay uh if i may yeah yeah please please go for it uh like i was discussing this this uh yesterday with with my professor and mentor uh he teaches us south asian industry so he said don't prepare don't think so much about the topic it's it is going to be basically people who already are you know are in your support or who already agree to whatever you're going to say so there's no point of you know engaging with with them instead uh if you hope that there will be some people uh who belong to other side of the political spectrum they come and they engage with you you people in the discussion it would be a fruitful exercise but with what has happened during our discussion it feels like these people aren't even you know ready to engage in discussion as well so that is that is unfortunate i've been wanting to ask this question yeah please so uh you will know that uh there is some and there are many people but particularly one uh in tears of mother he is from jnu uh he's been making this uh argument that not just muslims but all other people i mean or the majority of the people the congress they left and people from you know all all sorts of identities farmers uh diligence and all these people are actually uh you know facing some kind of an existential threat from the bjp so why do we make it just about muslims so how do you respond to that is this question in context to the like see when when when this when rohit was you know institutionally murdered in hyderabad university there were people who were saying that this wasn't because of his stealth identity initially they said that when najib was forcefully disappeared there were people who were saying that it wasn't because of his muslim identity these attacks happened on everybody and it just happened that najib was a muslim and the this is there you know now everybody is saying it was institutionally murdered because because she was the later najib was forcibly disappeared because he was a muslim but and this gives us an idea that you know our allies these liberals left academicians all of them uh they tend to recognize or give recognition to our people uh our leaders only when they are dead you know when we are when we are when people are alive fighting and fighting uh they are just school you know they are asked to be better and they are being lectured but but they they usually wait for us to to die uh and then only uh they'll recognize uh he was he was saying something that was right this has been the tendency of uh majority of our allies but uh coming to your basic question see attack is being attacked is happening on everybody all the say democracy loving people in india but uh but the the people who tend to you know say that uh like they reduce the the entire uh you know the entire operation to the singular sentence that uh modi is fastest or bjp fastest or fascism has arrived or whatever they tend to forget why is you know modi or bjp fastest in the first place they are fastest precisely because they are anti-muslim they are fastest precisely because they are anti-dalit they are uh fascist precisely because they are anti-adiwasi and uh they tend to forget that and make it uh you know a common fight an umbrella fight that uh no attack is on everybody no this this is invisibilization of uh of our struggles and uh and i've noticed that this happens for a very particular reason so if if it's a dalit movement if it's a muslim moment the leadership that comes from that moment will will only be uh the late we will find the dalit leader will find a muslim leader as we found in the ca moment but when it becomes fight for everybody so anybody and everybody you know can come and be a messiah and that is what you know people like yogendra yadav or kaniyakumar have been harboring on and and that's why i don't take them seriously i hope i answered your question yes uh yes uh is a friend over here if i can ask a question to her yes i'm here so so you mentioned uh this uh constant secularizing this constant pressure to secularize uh you know muslim protests so uh we see that you know people like uh i'm taking names over here or even you mentioned uh all these people have been making the case for individualizing the muslimness or the uh islamness of the protest so and that is a kind of narrative that is being uh perpetrated and we have a counter narrative to that as well uh but but the thing is uh i think that that particular narrative uh finds more traction uh especially among muslims uh than the counter narrative so how do you how do you think that we can tackle that uh like i said uh in my talk also that you know the the first place where we have to work on is uh the muslim mind that is that we need to stop feeling insecure and anxious that you know uh as happened in the anti-sei protests that you know we were so insecure about like you know that a predominantly muslim uh protest uh happening in india that you know we were actually literally begging uh non-muslims to be part of the movement or to come and like you know give solidarities and uh i think uh it's like the most important uh work here is to just like you know uh get over this apology or get over with insecurity that because secularism or democracy it allows it allows muslims to protest as muslims it allows you to assert whatever identity you may want to and you know if you are being marginalized because of a particular identity it does not matter and you know this is where uh see this whole uh secularization of the muslim mind or this whole um like you know making us feel insecure about our own identities can be traced back to like uh like it has been happening like over the past 70 years uh worldwide islamophobia is not just in india it's a global phenomena right now post 9 11 how things unfold and even before 9 11 islamophobia was there but the the dominant form of islamophobia post 911 and like you know the whole of muslim ummah is tackling the situation and i think uh the first step towards it is to become like unapologetic uh in in terms of like you know uh that you don't have to apologize for being muslim i think thank you i hope i once that i'm not sure thank you friend uh and there is yet another question so danish is asking this question how can we go about addressing fissures and inequalities of gender wealth and chaos within our own community specifically when they invoke religion uh how can we do it with empathy and not overburdening a community already under so much pressure uh if you can yeah so i think like in this regard when like you know when dealing with uh problems or inequalities within the community itself uh beat the muslim community or any other community for that matter the first thing uh would be to uh like you know have a clear understanding of what uh in our case what islam is and uh in islam is an inherently uh just uh religion like you know the social justice is the most talked about uh think in in the quran and like you know uh god is a just deity and so inequality cannot happen uh through religious teachings and when religious teachings are used to to bring forward inequality uh uh ideas that may term uh that that say that you know okay islam says this and so women should be treated like this but what also has to be uh understood is that uh you know these people a should be uh boycotted and rejected because islam is a just religion which talks about equality for all and uh the fact that they're misusing misrepresenting islam for their own uh petty gains i think okay okay friend thank you for your answer um is rania over here yeah um rania if uh you mentioned this uh constant uh you know constant pressure of secularizing uh ourselves so you mentioned that uh you know regardless of what kind of strategies people used uh you know several leaders of the movement uh they've all been jailed they've all been targeted and uh they all they've all been uh persecuted so is it is it a time where we can start to you know mainstreaming islam or mainstreaming the muslimness god and god muslimness uh of our identity uh so so that um we can we can go forward with this uh the the this pressure and this uh the part that we have been following of secularizing our protest you know it does not have sold out problems so do you think that it is time that we abandoned the old ways and and start secularizing uh start uh you know mainstreaming or foregrounding the muslimness uh can that actually solve our problem in terms of this uh you know binary of secularism versus communalism what do you think i guess at this moment have more or less liberated us from this binary of communalism and secularism to an extent and as i've mentioned before uh we have our leaders the list of leaders if you check they weren't the same but still all that the common name common thing is their uh muslim identity uh with whatever title you give i mean whatever category you put them in whether a practicing muslim or a bad muslim christian whatever binaries you put into them the basic muslim identity is what is being targeted so this i guess uh uh give a space for introspection to the muslim community uh to rethink about what we have been uh um trying to please ourselves in this particular nation concept and i guess it shall it has been i mean uh we have been uh seeing that the the ladies or the especially the muslim women being targeted regardless of wearing hijab or not we have um who wasn't uh wearing hijab all the time but we have people who wore the hijab all the time so regardless of how uh muslim you are how much muslim you are it united us uh it gave us a space and being a muslim who who believes that every good and bad comes from almighty uh this i guess is the best opportunity for being uh united and uh show india the best part and yeah thank you rania for this for that question uh if there are no further questions uh we can wrap this up i guess yeah i guess so um okay um so so yeah thank you everyone for being here thank you uh shajilis money thank you afrin fatima thank you rania sulekha for being over here and thank you everyone uh thank you all the audience i hope this session was really enlightening and invigorating uh we will be back with another session inshaallah um thank you assalamu alaikum and revolutionary greetings up