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what's up you guys welcome back to overdose i'm your host don jay today i'm joined with a special guest introduce your show hey what's up everybody i'm kiana all right kiana now you did the last video so far are you getting a grasp of what like red pill type of content is now yeah okay all right today's video we're doing is you are destroying woman's hope any thoughts come to your mind but why are you thinking of that no um you are destroying women's hope first of all i'm i'm curious to know who he who's here oh let me give you a very quick so he has a show that women call in to get high value men so for the majority of women a high value man is someone who makes six figures you know got his life together financially most of the time as well as probably in shape and things like that but they are like the top ten five percent of men in earnest wise okay okay all right so keep that in mind all right let me go ahead and let's go ahead and do this so what i'm saying here all right come on miss feminist maybe come on miss feminist that [ __ ] didn't work on donovan sharp it ain't gonna work on me either no it's not gonna work on me if you didn't have a good time with donovan you never have a good time with me you are being hostile you're not even i'm not being hostile i'm just being direct yes okay ladies let me tell you something right now i'm not being hostile i'm being direct you're going to use the word inappropriately okay so you can have some type of politeness and some issues i'm having politeness man but i'm not going to have you condescending first off you came in and you said you said it incorrectly i didn't say what you said so let's do this let's start over what did you think that you heard i said what did you think i said you say that women after the age of 25 or 20 something there you know they cannot have the ability to secure a man that can let them stay at home after you know having children that's not what i said that's not what i said that's your interpretation it's not what i said but go ahead yes it already it sounds like she's a foreign person so she could possibly be misun mis interpreting what he's saying already yeah but what does he say so far it seems like she's saying that he said this and he said she say stuff that women start to lose value after 25. which is i hope that ain't what he said let me see this kills the women's hope because it is possible indeed for a female after the age of 25 secure a high value man okay no no no no let's let's go don't hold on hold on hold on let's define secure what do you mean by secure being married marry him okay how do you be his wife i'm 27. how old is your husband i'm single i'm in a relationship but you're not secure no okay before we continue offer that sound effect he just pressed was funny um what do you consider a high value man you personally okay so um i mean of course i want him to you know how can i say other than just say have money you know i i do want that to be secure for sure but for but for me to say that he's a how a high value man um i'm more me personally yeah i'm more in tune with is he how is his relationship with his how is his faith how is his faith how is his grind what motivates that stuff right there places the value on the guy because he could have money and still be really i hate to make it sound like this but he can have money and to me still be of no value to me got you other than his money got you so let me do some pushback on that okay what if they had no money but they had a lot of faith and a lot of willpower and drive as you say would you still value the same as someone who was financially stable yes um because if that is a man who you know he he has he he he like he has his faith like understand like his level of faith is there like he's driven he um he you know has a plan or something that that is what i have to say that that is a man with a plan then okay because if he's that if he's on that level of faith and just um you know taking care of himself having his business of a whole grown man and i know uh the money situation is very very temporary okay so you wouldn't you wouldn't put someone who has a lot more money over that person who has a lot of drive and faith no because i can go further with that person than i can with this person okay okay yeah okay that's just mine no you know nowadays you know the girls might beg to differ but majority will yeah but for me i mean he can have money all day long and that's cool it's fun i can do anything i can have anything but it's like if if the guy himself if i'm not in no way attached to the guy himself or if i'm not if i don't place value in the guy himself then for me that's a temporary thing that's i need something with longevity okay option right it's it's the picture yeah it's the videos yeah he's not my husband he's a boyfriend oh okay he's a ceo right he's he's a ceo but what yes okay what so uh how long have you been with your uh fiancee um do you want to marry him i don't know because you don't want to have kids so you want to know what i'm kind of yes in the future so you know you want to have children but you're still with the man who doesn't want to have them talk to him yes he might change his life aren't you kind of destroying your hopes for children i see you over this side you know because yeah yeah she put herself there and i i can agree because now that i am older now uh or mature now um yeah because we all because for some reason women think when they get involved with a man if he's doing a certain thing that they're not too thrilled about that they can change the man got you oh okay we cannot okay change yeah my mama always said you control you can't you control you you can't control another grown person you know what i mean so it's like she should have took him saying you know i don't wanna have i don't want to have children as face value and you know it's like oh okay we're cool i want yeah yeah i'm not going to spend a whole year in two months trying to convince you yes so maybe they should have it no no exactly exactly that's like you coming into relationships saying you know i like women with short hair and i'm like no i'm growing my hair out like now i'm just sticking around cause she might just cut it for me i got you yeah yeah you know i'm agreeing with everything you said maybe yes maybe come on baby i don't know man you know you want to have children you know he does not and you've been with him for 14 months aren't you destroying your own hope for children but i can't convince him i can't change oh exactly so i can't convince you you can convince a ceo to change his mind on children has he been married before yes does he have any children no all right care all right he does not have any children so his first his wife could not convince him to have kids but oh girlfriend oh this is deeper next point um if he was not a ceo would you still be with him excuse me absolutely yes amazing qualities if you drove if you drove uber you would be there not that low as well there is an economic bottom floor she don't even understand that he's digging you into a ditch that you can't get out of in about five minutes i feel it coming but but i'm i'm stuck at uber what do you mean it's people who make 50k at uber they hustling their butt off it's i mean i don't know them personally but i've seen videos on youtube videos where people making you know decent amount of money on uber i i don't know if i'm trying to be with somebody who's trying to make a career out of uber okay okay let's let's dive into that real quick i have to okay what is the bare minimum for you in terms of if you could see somebody bank account or i'm sorry not bankrupt but the income but the income of how much they make what is that number for you because it seems like you know it seems like it's a very because because like i said what's the what's i'm gonna just give you i'm just giving you numbers i'm gonna ask all right abc come on what's going on what is the average medium for a household in terms of income when you say household we're just talking about like you know okay well one person um i do oh gosh ideally it's i mean i want six figures coming through that i'm just oh so you want six figures oh oh i'm okay yeah i mean what because i want an ambitious guy like i want him to be like just because they ambitious doesn't mean that they're going to have ambitious results they could just be ambitious and fail businesses okay so i want i want the res i want the guy to also have the results like i don't want because you can have somebody all day long you know sitting on your couch talking about they're gonna be this and be that but if they don't never put them out yeah and so and that and not only in that aspect of just him you know accumulating well or money but just him following up with the things he said he's going to do overall i like how you turned it around i'm just saying it's like it goes hand in hand you try it you tried it you said you're gonna take care of me i mean so in that situation how long does it take for you to be like okay i'm done if everything else is correct but his financial situation is just not good enough yet maybe he's making i don't know i'm just throwing number twelve thousand dollars a year or something like that but he has a a nice little place you know he's getting by and i'm gonna give you some time which you're getting by because it's not just because i feel like okay at that point so you want to high-value men i i do i do i do on both levels you know and then you know but what i'm saying is like at that point you know 12 000 a year and you you have all this these ambitions and all you want to do this and that like i was just saying you know if he's not putting towards he's he's ain't you ain't doing nothing got you you know what i mean okay so you can't work with him i can't i can't explain i can't live off a wish and hope and a prayer i can't i mean maybe pray but i can't live off a a wish on a wish factor okay yeah i just i mean i i will give you grace and i will give you time but not too much time okay i mean at the end of the day we all i mean back to what janet jackson said she said what love love don't pay the bills look like love camp yep yeah no i agree with you what i'm gonna do tell rick man i mean but we in love okay let me dive a little bit even deeper before we continue in your relationship what does the finances looking like is it looking like we pay 50 50 is it looking like the man pays all the bills what what is the dynamic of that relationship i i can do uh 50 50 no i'm just not ain't no woman out here really trying to do 50 50. okay unless they're trying to get a roommate i was just having this conversation with my mom okay unless i want a roommate mm-hmm then yeah we 55 that's when we cutting things down in the middle you know what i mean okay but i'm willing to do homework let's do like a negotiation what the [ __ ] come on i mean you are the head of the house like come and that's the thing okay we're gonna get into rolls okay but i'm saying though i i would i would the man is supposed to be this provider okay you know what i mean so i'm guessing you grew up traditionally yeah actually yeah you know it was yeah yeah i i my mom got a job i hate to make it sound like because it wasn't all yeah so it was no silver spoon business i got your hair but what i'm saying is that when um what i saw exhibiting in my household you know my my stepdad took care he took care of everything okay you know my mom held down the fort i'm gonna raise the children my mom made the food okay my mom did the domestic things in the house that's what i saw i take it back even further my grandfather i mean my grandma she went and got a job but she wanted to she didn't have to because the provider her you know her you know he you know what i mean but i'm still willing to do like if you're gonna like i'm still willing to do like a a 70 30 situation you're still thinking it's not like a negotiation all right so so in this negotiation in this negotiation it's you're willing to do like maybe some bills maybe like the internet bill things like that so let me ask you is while you are working is your money your money or is it going to like this pot and you are divvying out the money on the things that you guys need okay now see i wouldn't mind that like okay so i'll have my money now not all of my money is going to be dished out in this little pot gotcha but i can put some money there okay yeah okay yeah that would be getting somewhere yeah i don't i wouldn't mind that okay i'm not gonna be unrealistic you will be willing to accept exactly why because you understand i get it so ma'am i'm telling women the realities that you've just laid out and even you're willing to is that you pull these you know tragic ends for women who are on above the age of you tragic know it's the truth ma'am they're just facts it's not tragic because okay let me tell you about the high value people that i know no no ma'am i don't want to know about the high value people you know i like to keep it no ma'am no ma'am no see i don't you can't you called to talk to me about what i said i don't want to talk about the people you don't know all i need to know about is you are you a high value woman of course i am so why are you with a man who does not want to make you his wife he asked me to marry him but the father he doesn't want to have jesus he actually proposed to you yes he dropped to one knee in public and dropped and gave you a ring of significant heritage and asked you to wait in public was not even focused of course of course okay it doesn't happen yeah this sound effect but it doesn't have to like the proposal in public it doesn't have to be it's not official to us in public yeah i think he's just trying to you know be yeah type of thing of course not it wasn't in public it never is and what and what month was this his mother you've been together you can't talk over me man my woman yes and what month did he propose to you without a ring in public i can't with this video like this one yeah it was on the eight after we we kind of turned like eight months of relationship he yes eight months okay really quickly before we go any further what is your timeline for a proposal yep because i know in the last video you said you had a progression in life um how long can you stand being just a girlfriend yeah uh i'm not even gonna lie to you like after that like coming up on the second year of us like i'll give us a year to you know fill each other you're i was here to feel it yeah i'll give us a year that's nothing no that's enough time that's not the time yes that's well i'm just speaking from me personally that's just nothing because in a year you can fake who you are in six months in a year time you can't fake who you are if you living together you've been together for three four five years and you've had a kid or you about to you know you talked about these things and you've been all down these different roads okay so what i just want so when do you think it so well for me personally me personally marriage is not my ultimate level of relationship because that's that's just the government signing a piece of paper that's nothing that's literally but okay no no what okay so what is what is marriage outside of that if you're not a spiritual well a religious person i would say well then i can't then i can't answer that okay because that's where i'm gonna take it but um okay we'll just go back to the time frame so at least okay yes so at least i mean oh my god wait so like a a year and six months okay so here you're in six months you you get nervous you like what's happening yeah i shouldn't get the ring are we at least having the conversation okay like i like to know like where are we going like i'm a rock like that's nothing that robbie's probably gonna ride that's what i'm saying i need to know where we going like and how long we but i'm not gonna be pressuring the guy like oh my god we're gonna get married okay yeah i mean like okay are you living together before you get married living together before we get married you personally you personally are you living together before you get married realistically speaking we've to be honest if i i need to live with you i mean we need to thank you together yeah that's all i'm trying to get at yeah yeah i would need to yeah okay so i guess within the the i don't know i figured out her whole life right now are you having kids before you get married okay i don't want to do that i don't want to do that you have to have kids after you get married right yeah okay okay so in your relationship you want to get into a relationship hit about 1.5 years get move in together start the progression of getting married then have kids and then continue on with life that's will be your progression yeah that sounds good to me all right you wanted to get an idea of your progression yeah he proposed to you without a ring and you guys are not messing with any other person outside of that no okay no no you do that then you definitely can't be my husband i don't want to live with you no no but no okay what if you just propose it like a a hey i want you know this other person would you be okay with you know give me a hall pass whole pack pass do we do hall passes half past that's a real thing yeah in life yes oh no it's open relationships it's polygamy relationships it's relationships where there's guys and two girls and a girl and two guys traditional traditional relationship but uh no no no no hall pass if you interested if you got wondering i somewhere else then you could be the love of your life he married you y'all have two kids he's an amazing guy he's happy he's too amazing he can't be too amazing just because he wants to have a one whole pass after 10 years i've been dating y'all got two kids beautiful kids he's just like you know babe i just i just want somebody else i still believe that you can have a man that can only have eyes for you i still believe that i still believe that okay not in public and you say okay no he proposed me with a ring in front of his family okay okay and you said what yes i say i'm not sure exactly you know because i but you're still there six months later because you know i think people can change you know he changed so many things you really hit that on the head when you said that being about trying to change somebody yeah women we're trying to change man you cannot change a man that man is going to be him let him do him the one percent that's watching yeah whatever this relationship that he was not willing to change so i think this what might be something else that he might later realize that maybe he needs to have kids in his life right so so so again a man who's a ceo who's and how large is the company that he runs it's a big comp is a company that makes about 30 million euros no no but but how many employees uh i think it's about 500. so you mean to tell me you don't call the international ones so you need a man who runs a company of 500 people and has to make decisions for 500 people can't make decisions for his own life i think he i think he knows what he wants yeah that's why he's in charge it doesn't mean anything just because i mean no yeah he does no ma'am no ma'am no man you said he could change his mind he could but ceos are leaders for a reason he has a direction he's going and that's why he gets the big bucks you think you're going to get into change and the woman that he married didn't get him to change i haven't i have a better question for you though would you advise young ladies to do what you're doing um absolutely not because you know my way of thinking my way of operating at least we're on the same page with that you would not advise young ladies to do what you're doing yeah would you advise young ladies to do what you're doing yes okay yes yes okay you know that's that real quick these videos they're killing me they're killing me sis is rubbing on herself you know i i think that right now i mean it's on the stage of you know kind of waiting uh maybe more four months to see how things are going to evolve and if he says like you know i really don't want to have children i want to be like a child three man and then i might you know go find someone who has the same goals as me in the future so if i recall correctly when you were going back and forth with donovan you if i'm if i'm correct i thought you said you have high value men around you you know high value means yes so why are you dealing with this person who does not want what you want um because because there is something called for some people you know the financial uh thing is the most important thing you know financial people who have get it so he has enough money he has no so he has enough money so he has enough money to get you to waste your womb time oh no he has other qualities no ma'am he doesn't have those qualities he was driving uber you said that at the end of the day man you know oh wait oh man right now hey he does not have those quality all right what are your thoughts so far on that um okay so she's definitely in a situation where she is financially comfortable for sure she's made that clear you know what i mean maybe he's not driving uber anymore but uh yeah so she's good now and i think that is i hate it but i think two reasons why she's still there one because she actually thinks that she can change him okay and he's making a very good point uh we're trying to make a good point to her you know this man on a daily you say he has 500 employees yeah he he's pretty much dead set on what he wants on what and and every single aspect of your life yeah so why would that aspect change it's like she needs to hear him say it again like i don't want kids yeah no i'm serious i don't want it right yeah yeah exactly yes so yeah what if you were if you personally was in that type of situation what would you do so this is the thing so i gotta go i gotta go reason being is because i want to literally live a genuine happy life with my person i don't want to where i'm with this person and i'm only happy with what he want and not what i want got you i want us to you know what we have to want this together so you want a partnership yes i want a partnership but you don't want a partnership financially uh-huh what i do i do i do just we gotta have put some stipulation some some guidelines in place on how we're partnering all right you'll ask me about the high volume at the end of the day at the end of the day you have proven my point you would not even advise women to do what you're doing ladies listen to what your godfather has been telling you i have no dog in the fight to try to hurt you but this woman came in and even justified and made the point through her own life over a certain age you don't have as much leverage as you think you do oh you're not going to get a high value man to change he is who he is and he says what he says you're not going to convince him to all of a sudden decide to want to have kids if he doesn't want you have a choice remember when i talked to when i said to that other young lady high value men don't tell you what to do they just say this is what i will and i won't be willing to accept it's up to this woman to decide whether that's fine let's see over there and that's fair okay and that is fair because i want to be able to do the same thing and if we can't meet in the middle there and guess what i think you're attractive it was nice knowing you it was we had a good time but i do want i do still believe and still have hope because she's talking about hope okay so have a hope that i can find what exactly it is that i'm looking for okay and to sum up what you're looking for you want a guy who has a lot of money right okay all right i mean that would be nice okay that would be nice is i'm not like i hate today like like how it is now in society how women are just like the money the money i get it i get it but for me personally like i said before he can have all this money in the world but if and and that'll buy me this and buy me that and this and yes and i'll be happy with the things that i accumulate within that dynamic yes but if this is not a person that i could literally like i'm looking for other things deeper things like i need to be able to connect with this person if there's no connection there and that's just and the only way we're connecting is by you buying me something this is dead like this is nothing okay this is uh you can so you want so you want the money and you want all the other stuff the money is the bare minimum the package yes the bear and the money it's not the bare minimum but i mean it's not the biggest factor on me deciding if i want to be with a guy or not okay like if he's you know what i mean i mean but he can't be broke nobody know what well give me a number that's what i was trying to get out of you give me a number though you don't want to do that we got viewers watching it's just listen if you if okay he's financially stable but he doesn't have he can't go on a whole bunch of vacations he can't go on do a whole bunch of things but he got his own place he got his own car he's financially stable is that good enough that's it he's stable yeah okay stable yeah but i need him to okay but does stable mean even with a person like even with a a woman oh life too i'm just saying because he has to take care of someone else you're saving up for yourself and not to date somebody got you okay so yeah so if you if you can only take care of yourself then i don't think you know dating with adding somebody into you know you can't afford to okay okay all right i'm gonna make this a clip for sure okay and to sum up the way they was talking about there was obviously talking about um what he said on i guess another podcast where he said that women after a certain age lose their value around he said i think the numbers are like 27 or something like that do you agree with that or not but so i would need to know and what in which way is he referring to in a sexual market value place at the 27 yes i don't agree with that because maybe i'm 29. i would say about the 30 you but you start to hit downhill yeah i know i said start to hit downhill it gets better okay it gets better for your perspective for men it's between the ages of 18 to 25 26 27 ish depending on your genetics obviously if you were a woman who was skinnier when she was younger and then you got older and you got some you know more meat on your bones and you start to look the same obviously you want to get more attractive with age but that's the minority and not the majority well what i can't really oh yeah honestly but no i still don't agree i still don't agree because even if are we just talking about just her attractiveness or are we just okay this is why we gotta go back to the original thing okay what do men value in the sexual market value well coordination not me according to majority of ninety nine point nine percent of men attractiveness yes submissiveness as well but attracting this is literally like number one all the other ones is like you know like have you ever played like a video game are you trying to like max out a character you would max out that first and then you would put the rest in the all the iron ones oh well i mean on that aspect but i mean my mom was in her well up in her 40s and we looking like she looked good so that's what i can't agree to that because we don't not all the time look like we don't look our age you didn't even know i was 29 until i said i'm too i mean i'm not saying them but i'm just saying you know what i mean so no i still don't agree with that i still feel like even after 25 i mean hell we still looking 25 we're looking good okay okay okay okay definitely wrong but okay all right i don't know what are you looking at no no many like wrong as in the in the in the aspect of you said that you look 25 even though you're not 25 so as a man why would i get the 30 version 30 euro version of you if i'm trying to spend a long time with you versus 25 version of you if i can have five more extra years and you looking still phenomenal like you say okay so now let's hold up okay so so but who i didn't even i don't know that you know people would look at that but okay so if i could have the 25 i would want the older and that's just me that's just me because with age comes maturity wisdom and that's why men and women are different yo yeah we completely different okay let's put this video but i think you're not with me you know take it talking my points because you are more well because i'm running right because i'm running my because i'm not letting you talk your points because i'm running my show it's not about me you're coming over here for attention that's why you're looking in the calls looking in the comment section versus having a conversation i'm not even looking in the comments section but i'll tell you what here's what we do for women like you you can go ahead and have the last word go ahead and have the last word i just think that the way you kind of operate oh yeah come on bro all right anyway so to give a little bit more context he's very blunt he's very honest about people so when they when they call in for high value men they he'll straight up ask him what's your dress size how tall are you how old are you do you have any kids et cetera et cetera so like breaks them down to the bare minimum of humanness and i feel like not feel like i think that most women don't like that should be broken now to just what do you mean like they're attractiveness yes and those are the women that are not comfortable with themselves you know what i mean that's just how i feel because i always ever since i mean i i don't know i don't know if it's off topic or on on topic but i've always didn't just want to be just a pretty face okay i've always wanted to be a woman of substance that's just that's the main goal you know so even if i'm you know reduced down to just on a you know just i don't know but um i don't know i i wouldn't have a problem with that okay i like that i i like it better when we can just look at each other as human and not just like oh uh i guess i'm sitting next to a bad [ __ ] and okay got you with the high rope like instead of all the labels all the the i guess the societal i don't know labels that we would put on each other or whatever but um i i don't know i mean me personally i prefer it that way okay i want to know behind all that i'm a behind-the-scenes of a person that's just how i am okay okay where can they find you yeah again i you can find me on ig instagram at loud which was my keys all right follow me if you enjoyed this video make sure you like it make sure you subscribe 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