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hi everyone welcome back this will be it's actually our last episode and coming to know some plants and i'm glad you're back so we left off with salvia weesui and geranium orion and i just wanted to share my book again with you and also linked in the description below are some of my favorite books that you can find and i'll keep adding books to that in in various episodes into that list because there's there's there's just a lot of good things to read especially now there's many more thoughts and um goals and objectives in in gardening in environmental gardening so i'll try to list some of those for you and i tell you if you have any recommendations too i'd sure like to know and and hear what they are i've got some good recommendations from people on instagram so uh i think sharing with each other is a cool way to to to to really benefit each other so let's see where we're at i always here's my two questions to discuss with you first one what characteristics of each plant shape your personal experience with that plant so what is it about a plant when you first see it or even witness or see it later what characteristic of a plant creates your relationship for that plant where you actually you create an interest for it and and is it the same with all plants or does each plant have its own way of introducing itself to you based on a unique characteristic of the plant because i i always think about that when i uh walk through gardens or when i when i'm visiting remnant prairies or remnant woodlands or savannas there's certain aspects of a plant also based on growing season weight emerges out of the ground that i really take an interest in and sometimes i might not have the same interest in the plant as it becomes an adult later i so i have to keep recreating myself to find out what is it what is it about each plant that really continues to generate a shared relationship that i have with the plant so anyway that's that's uh one question another one is there a particular way you begin to sense a closeness to your plantings as they develop from youth to maturity so is there a particular way that you can relate to a planting when it's youthful and as it ages and again i keep thinking about that when i'm gardening when i when i look at accomplishing and finishing a planting first i'm just excited that it's done and it's in the ground because there's so many ways it you know it could be a rain or uh something can come up that delays the planting and you have all the plants in containers so when you're finished that really feels good to me to have something complete and then the anticipation of growth and then the expectations of weed competition how heavy is the weed competition going to be and did i anticipate what that would be based on the population of weeds that were there beforehand so there's so many different ways that you come to grow with your garden and i thought i asked that as a question because i constantly asked that to myself and then when the garden does start to mature how am i relating to it in a mature way as the plants are aging and becoming dynamic with each other so anyway that's the two questions to start with and well here we go i left with salvia and i start with the show with cecilary autumnalis and again it's like geez roy we know this larry autumn now and it's a common punching grass again if you do know it you know what the one characteristic it loves dry soil average dry soil it does well in modestly moist soil declines completely in heavily irrigated wet soil just can't handle that situation but it's it's such a stable plant for me to use because it accepts so many different plant patterns that i can mingle it with i'm doing a garden now for a group on pine lake just north of us and i'm mixing cecillaria 60 or 40 percent cecilary with 60 percent carrots pennsylvanica and in between the groupings i'm trying to come up with a combination or group of plants i'm looking at right now i'm thinking of geranium tiny monster to mix the mounding plant in between those two combinations because the cecil area and the carrick's pennsylvanica 60 characters 40 percent cecillaria can go wonderfully into sun to shade and so can the geranium tiny monster and i'm not putting a lot of tiny monster i'm just putting one here or two here one here two here just as a mounding growth habit with dark green to copper foliage and i'm more interested in the dark green to copper foliage than i am in the dark purple flowers so anyway it's just an example of the value to me of cecillaria in in a number of different circumstances and i also use cess layer with sprobleus heterolepis in different percentages too and here in the image you can see it with guess who calamintanepota subspecies nepa again the calamita has so much value and combinations along with the the cecillaria and here's cesleria jeff epping he's the director head of horticulture at ulbric botanic garden so get to know him go online look up old brick botanic garden get to know jeff when you go to ulbric mechanic or this is just a little plug you go he he designs gardens at old brick with a wonderful staff i mean it's just not competent these are excellent gardeners and the gardens you see there is everything you can do at home some botanic gardens you go to you can appreciate the the grand scale of things but there's a lot of things you just can't do at home because it's too expensive you go to old brick botanic garden he puts plants in the like you see here these beautiful patterns and everything at all brook is something you can take home with you that's jeff jeff epping so take a look when you have time on on the internet so this is a combination look at this beautiful combination of cecillaria with the alliums with echinaceas and small aquilias it's just a beautiful combination and it's a moment-to-moment feeling but yet it has the consistency which is bonded together by the ceslaria drifting through all the different combinations of flowering plants and here's um ceclaria again and simply with coreopsis zagreb and geranium roseanne so again the ceciliary is the bonding agent the short coreopsis zagreb which gets around 20 inches tall and geranium roseanne kind of scattering its flowering stems through the cecil area the next grass i'd like to talk to you about is schizaquerium jazz jazz is an introduction again from brent overarching i mentioned him in the last show's intrinsic nursery out here in hebron and i like jazz a lot it's a blue it's blue but it's very vertical it it gets it gets taller but not that tall but it maintains its vertical vertical look in heavier soils it doesn't fall and lean over and you can see in this image how nicely vertical it keeps itself going into flowering time and the next image i use it in the fontana boulevards with the profskia little spire and it mingles nicely in between the little spire so it's a simple combination of grays and shades of greys and blue foliage with a little bit dappled blue of the profskia going through it and there's the fall color again very vertical beautiful copper fall color and and i'll mention one other skazakram i i don't have an image of it but it's a schizophrenium called little luke i i found a little look up in ball bluff in the kettle moraine i simply liked it because it's only 18 inches tall in our heavier soils little loop gets around 24 inches tall but it's green it's not blue and i know everybody's looking for the bluest blue but what about the green is green sometimes if you mix the greenest green with the bluest blue you get more of a blue because you're contrasting the bluish blue with green and little luke being a very i'd say rich to average modest green has a stronger fall color than the blue scissor so when you mix the two together you also get shades of copper and copper red and actually some purple in it so again that's why i like mingling some of this same species but get the ones that have different characteristics so if you get a chance and you're around north wind come up and look at schizaquery and little luke and maybe if you purchase a couple mingle them together with the other scissors the next plant uh we'll look at in this image this is skutilaria in cana i didn't know this existed i had no idea it's a native woodland plant grows on woodland edges pete out off send it to me to grow for the lurid garden in 2003. and i said geez where'd you find that he goes roy it's native to your woodland areas in minnesota so you can see how how little i i didn't know i just never heard of it and it wasn't no it wasn't any north american catalogs that i could find and now i grow it from seed and it's a beautiful plant it it loves full sun woodland edge it spreads fast it can or modestly but fairly fast but again you can stop it right here i have it mixed with melania transparent that scootalara hits millennia transparent like this there it's not going anywhere that melinda crown a millennial transparent says no i got you you're not going anywhere so the schoolyard and it can't go this way because of the of the the walkway so it maintains its own space simply by the dynamics of it and running into something that it can't penetrate but it has beautiful blue flowers in august uh easy to grow it has difficulty in in wet soil you can't plant it in wet soil it grows in average to dry drier soil shade to sun so it goes from shade to sun and here you see it with the coreopsis vertis a lot of golden showers and sprobolos uh heterolipus it's a dark seed a dark green foliage in this image it's a beautiful plant it's really and it i think again it's waiting to be discovered and and used in many more diverse ways next plant as you see this image come up it's silphium terabintanacium this is the first time i ever saw it you see in this image i saw it at the morton arboretum at the schulenburg prairie and is coming up in between uh um panicum vergatum and some saurgastrum newtons and i'm seeing these giant leaves coming out of the ground and i had no idea what this was i didn't know if this was a good plan about what humans characterized good or bad i don't but i thought my god that is the most beautiful thing i've ever seen and this is the picture i took because i had to find out what in the heck is this plant coming with this foliage and then when i felt the foliage and i did that i'm an outdoor ed teacher i touch everything you know i used to have kids i'd put a bunch of stuff in a box put the lid on the box cut a hole and i said come here stick your hand in that box tell me what you feel 9 out of 10 9 out of 10 urban kids would not stick their hand in that box i go to a rural community when we were at western illinois every kid in the world is sticking their hand in that box they wanted to feel everything in that box and for some reason urban kids ah they don't want to they don't want to do that tell me what's in the box first then i'll stick my hand in the box that's a side track anyway my curiosity of touch was there and it's such it felt like sandpaper green sandpaper i was very intrigued by this plant and then when i met ray schulenberg goes right it's silphium terra benthanasium and here's all the other things it does so ray in this magical way was describing its fall colors at second i'm just listening and i i couldn't comprehend all the beautiful things he was telling me because i i needed to see what he was saying he was so excited that somebody asked him about it and i actually walked all the way over to that prairie to even take a look at it but anyway it's a beautiful architectural plant and here i've used it at the art institute next image oh and huh guess who it's with calamintanepita subspecies and schizophrenium scoparium but look at the contrasting foliage and you probably are familiar with the flowering stems getting six and a half feet tall and they come up you got beautiful yellow more yellow than orange flowers at the top it's kind of like a sunflower and then as they as they open they fall over like this and i'm always disappointed when i see selfies in someone's backyard not because they have silvium because they have the urge to take a bamboo stick put it next to the flowering stem that is artistically arching over and tie it up straight and i thought boy that's so bad i'm not bad is it sad in a way that people have this belief that everything has to be controlled so the beauty of it is not controlling the plant the beauty of it is appreciating the plant's nature and planting something where if that leans and it leans through uh the little blue stem coming through it it's just a beautiful artistic look so silphium terra benthinasium prairie duck an exciting plant and sometimes and i have to admit doing this the flowering stems are a distraction in a garden and some in one of the gardens said i just cut them off so i'm confessing something probably not good that you don't want to hear that son of a gun cuts off the flowering stems he's just telling us not to stake them but in a certain particular site the flowering stem just got too big but i really was looking and appreciating that beautiful foliage especially in the fall here's an image right now of the fall foliage it looks at one chris today i was just talking to his children describe it as a brown seashell that they'd find along the ocean and you can see the way it curls together and again the first place i saw this in 1979 was at the the library at the morton arboretum it had grasses in the vase and had the silphium foliage with beautiful seed heads of panicum and it was through the library at the morton arboretum i didn't know what it was but i thought boy that is beautiful the next the next picture that you're looking at really has nothing to do with anything you're ever going to do except observation and i found this picture of an old fence and that's 15 species of lichens on this fence living happily together and i didn't know that jerry wilhelm sat there with a little hand lens identifying and telling me the name of each lichen on this fence i didn't remember any of them but here i was so excited to see jerry on the ground with a little hand lens identifying king and all he's like and jerry's writing a book on our native lichens and the idea was they're putting a power line through this particular area on a it's a children's fishing park so i said well i'll just take the fence down move it i'll bring it back when the power only do the trend jerry goes no roy you can't move this all these lichens will die you have to keep the fence and move it and keep it right where it is as little as you can every lichen on this fence has grown in this particular situation so you can't take the fence back to northwind and lean it in the barn for two weeks and bring it back here the lichens will suffer and i thought you know that is like the nicest thing i've ever heard so what we did we just moved the fence in place um working with the trenching people i hardly moved it at all but we did move it so they could put the trench through but i thought it was in my will it was just simply take it back to the farm and put it back in so i thought it's just something something different to notice when we when we're out walking through fields and woods is and i have to say i just started noticing it i've always seen lichens but i've never really paid attention to them closely until uh until i saw jerry naming them and looking at what a hand lens and it just moved me so much so i wanted to share that in that little story with you and anyway that the next image is probably heterolypis prairie drop seed you all know prairie drop seed most of you you've all planted it it gained popularity through the 90s more horticulturally it was used a lot prairie re-creation and restoration but now it's more commercially used but it's it's just a very nice soft textured grass very adaptable from wet to dry conditions and it supports so many different combinations of plantings here you see in this image with allium purple sensation and simply the sprobolus hides the lower foliage of the allium purple sensation and so each plant in this image is complementing the other and that's basically what a a good plant community does is one plant promoting the health of the other plant by the living and dying of its leaf fall and stem fall and also living and dying of its roots and then for human entertainment it's one plant complementing complementing the other plant based on the soft texture of the grass and the dark flowering stems and the flowers of the allium and that gives some joy and entertainment to humans so you have a good system of health right here lifting the spirit of a human and each plant helping the other plant live a healthy life based on the nutritional and energy building of the soil and there's problems heterolypis with allium summer beauty at a resort entrance i did in bloom it has that beautiful soft texture in bloom and there's ali at the sprables heterolypis in bloom with steaky's yumulo the brown seed heads of steaky zuma coming through as the sprawlers arches over over the stakis so basically in these three pictures i was i'm just trying to show the excitement of sprables just in three different images using three or four different plants and it was back to what i mentioned before the possibilities are endless really there's no there's no stopping there's no stopping the combinations we can come up with the next plant is steaky's official analysis umelo i've been growing this now probably since the mid mid 90s i used to grow steak use a fish and alice from seed and i still grow it from seed because it varies in height it doesn't stay uniform like a fish now it's humelo but you can see in the two images there's steaky's official now it's humilo and who is it with it's wood sporobolous heterolipus and the percentage-wise it's about 50-50 or 60-40 steakies i put more steakies in or an equal amount because the sproutless foliage gets so big and as it matures it sends out foliage almost 12 12 to 14 inches in each direction of the crown and then then the other image is steaky's yumilo with steaky's official analysis rosia so you can have your monet moment you can put different percentages of colors together soft pink at 50 to 60 percent or 30 you do whatever you feel like whatever your mood is but the two plants live well together because they have the same basically the same needs as far as care in the garden and here's steaky's yuma with geranium sanguinium uh striatum and and uh nepeta it's not walker's low it's that new nepeta i can't it's it's a low it's a i'll get it i'm sorry i don't remember right now it's a new nepota that came out like walker's low but it's not walker's low it's a it's actually very nice it's vertical and i'll get that to you i just can't remember the name of it and here's nepeta i mean here's choreopsy for tis a lot of golden showers with steaky's humor and this is a simple planting at a gas station and i was so impressed when i pulled in there and i was so excited that the woman who owns the gas station found such a beautiful combination and it filled the whole planter that she had in the gas station and then she mingled in some manuals with it and i thought my god this is a beautiful monet moment that she created and you can see how the coreopsis and the steakies yumulo mingle together and the beautiful seed heads of steakies you know they go from green you go from the flowers the flowers fade you have the green seed heads mixed with geranium orion that i mentioned earlier with the salvia and see how orion just softly mingles and lays its way into the vertical flowering stems and then the brown seed heads of steakies you milo they go from green to brown mingled in with the allium millennium and in this next image the darker brown of steaky's yumulo with aragrass's spectaculus weaving its way through pravsky a little spire so you have the beautiful clouds of aragrass spectabulus mingled in with the spacing of the profskia and fronted by steaky's officinalis humelo the next plant is a grass that's not very common at sprobolus heroities i got the seed from someone in idaho sprobolus eroides uh grows in it's me i think it's native to idaho utah but it's done very well in our heavy clay soils so i really enjoy growing it it has silvery green foliage the foliage is more relaxed than sproutless heterolypis it's a little wider but the cool thing about sporobolous eroides it blooms in mid to late june with clouds of panicles and you can see it with the echinacea alba and then it re-blooms in september so as the first flowers fade to brown and still maintain a nice habit it sends a rebloom of silvery flowers through it in september and again it has done very well in our heavier soils so i'm using it more and and more and i have not seen i've not seen i've not lost it through the winter yet and that doesn't mean there won't be a winter that comes along but i've been using it now for five or six years and i don't put a lot in it it really works well for me as an accent in the garden three over here two over here four over here and then i have other grasses more tight clumping grasses like cecillaria that i would mingle in to keep a vertical look and i don't use many millennials with it because the flower the arching flowers have similar characteristics and when i mingle that in there there wasn't enough distinction between one or the other so that's sporobolous eroides i would give it a try i think i think you'll enjoy it and again i've had good luck with it now for four or five years next grouping is vernonia iron butterfly which i've been using now for five or six years it's a short growing vernonia letterman eye and there's a lot of new selections out right now um that are a little bit taller of the vernonia hybrid hybridized with the letterman genetics and this is mixed with salad eagle gold and fleece i like salad ego golden fleece a lot stays in clumps it doesn't reseed anywhere it's a solid ego and there's very few of them that respect their space so i use solid ego gold and fleece right away i have no problem with it it doesn't seed around it doesn't spread by rhizomes and look how nice it mingles with bernoulli lettermani which is also a clumping plant that i've not seen reseed or spread itself around either so it's a very controlled plant grouping plant community and another plant i discovered bluebird had it it's and i it's curious they still haven't given it a species it's called solid eagle wichita mountain and discussing it with them it comes from the wichita mountain area and there's not a species associated with it but i like it's vertical spikes of flowers similar to one we have called solid ego spiciosa but if when i use salad egg speciosics like buckle up to solid ego speciosa if you put it in early it seeds everywhere so i have not used solid ego speciosa again when the garden is three to five years old i can put it in and i still use a lot i just use it an accent i want to discover wichita mountain i had that same vertical accent with the spikes solid egg original mountain i haven't seen it seed anywhere in the garden so now i have two two go-to golden rods that i can use early in the garden's life and that's wichita mountain and golden fleece so if you have an opportunity i know bluebird has it in liners and also stonehouse nursery you ought to get stonehouse nurseries catalog they have an excellent variety of small liners i believe they're only wholesale but you can get their catalog and maybe recommend your local your local nursery look at some of their plants and pot them up for you they're they're excellent nursery in michigan that's stonehouse nursery we're getting to the last plant and there's always that safe save the best for last but i haven't done that because i think i've been describing the best best to you but it's veronica's room virginicum it's a beautiful native plant i think the common name is culver's root and i can't help but use this as frequently as i can it has a beautiful upright growth habit it it leans so nicely unintentionally it just happens to lean based on the soil conditions i put it in it's not a big fan of drought it's average to moist soil but i like i really enjoy the way and the time it flowers also here it is with uh cal mcgrath this uh karl forster and euphatorium baby joe is in the garden with it but it's an easy plant to grow it has beautiful spiked flowers and again it has this it has its own nature of leaning and it seems to lean at just the right time and into the right group of plants and i want to end this this last episode our third one with the dutch push pull hole i wanted to remind you of it who probably haven't heard me talk about it or say so you can see here how we use in the garden again it's 72 inches tall and if you notice she's not bending over she's doing all her hoeing standing upright and again if you haven't heard me mention this we hold about 75 to 85 minutes per thousand square feet and we have hoeing windows going from late april and we do every two weeks into mid to late june before the garden tightens up and once the garden tightens up it's very difficult to get in there with the dutch push pull hole because the plants are now taking on more responsibility of limiting weed seed germination so it's this cooperative effort between you the gardener and the plants you've placed in the garden so i hope you've enjoyed these few talks we've had about coming to know some plants and our our next youtubes we'll be doing will have more coming to know plants but we'll be looking at combinations we'll be looking at again refining a little bit how to develop these combinations so i'll have grid paper here and i'll then go through the thought process of putting the plants together in systems and communities and again if you have questions please uh let me know and i'll do my best especially in the winter to get back to you with some some answers that i'd have thanks everybody have a great day see you later bye you