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um today the left is often kind of both characterized and and mocked as this kind of woke left with cancer culture and identity politics and i mean i think there is some truth to that how do you think that affects kind of the overall nature of of organizing and these movements which are working on kind of you know issues in the streets well the culture the woke culture political correctness their identity politics they're all picking up on authentic issues but uh you know if if you want to have a serious functioning lift these crucial issues have to be integrated into a much broader picture which doesn't deface and in fact supports the centers on class issues which are right at the center of all of it if those get effaced and you are just working on your own identity and how you feel about things it's going to be harmful it reminds me very much of the late 60s when authentic issues were being brought up that had been suppressed like feminist issues way of the background okay they were brought up it was important major issues real ones change the country but when they're done in a way which undermines uh the joint efforts that we're all involved in on broader things that can be disruptive and dangerous we've gotta and i think that we're seeing that now too of course the right wing loves it another ever since nixon at least has understood the republican party they cannot approach the public with their own policies you can't go to the public and say i want to screw you i want to give everything to the wealthy please vote for me some of you can't do that so they just had to shift to what are called cultural issues somehow if you can pick people up on uh white supremacy uh misogyny and racism something like that and maybe an organizer and unfortunately that works i don't know if you saw the article this morning in the times and the republicans and the q anon uh that's pretty scary when you look at the figures and yes that works we've seen it in the past but that's what they have to do yeah if the right wing is going to follow its policies of service to corporate power and ultra wealth they're just going to have to shift the gun the discussion totally to these culture and so on and you shouldn't be giving them that gift you know aside from the fact that it's wrong in the first place